Well that's the thing, I'm talking about more of a bodybuilding/functional approach, while you're talking about more of a powerlifting/strength training approach. I think its clear that we both understand each other, but just have different ways to go about lifting. But.. I still think the 5x5 scheme and starting with bench pressing as opposed to a chest press with free weights is just asking to get injured. Sticking to a light weight (even if it's really, really light..) is a much better way to get into lifting... And once again, just my opinion based on personal experience. Hopefully our conversation gets people to think about these things, because I think we both know that most people just go into working out without even a single clue about what heir doing in the first place...