yo thanks alot for all the insight eternalrage...i have a few more questions
unlike upstate, stony brook didn't give us first/second year schedule...what are they like? what does your schedule look like first and second year?
Everywhere I look all the links on the med school website just redirect you to that calendar.
The fall semester of MS1 has Biochem and Anatomy at the same time, with midterms and finals in both, as well as papers and quizzes, respectively. Along with Anatomy is an Embryology component, which is self taught (they give you a CD of lectures and then an exam to take before the close of the semester).
You also have Foundations, which is a yearlong course about issues in medicine, that means once on a weekly basis, with assignments and exams scattered throughout the year. There is also Intro to Clinical Medicine, which is where you go to clinical sites (this is another reason you might need a car, because some of you will be assigned to the VA, NUMC, Winthrop hospitals, which are all 40 min to an hour away) and practice history taking and physical exams on real patients. There is also Clinical Skill Center simulations associated with this course. ICM is pass fail so don't start freaking out.
The second semester of MS1 is Neuroscience I, Physiology, and Pathology. All have assignments, exams, small group meetings (PBL junk), etc. Again, you will also have Foundations and ICM.
Oh and with almost every course, there is an NBME shelf exam that may or may not be factored into your final grade (depends on the class). At one point, these were also recorded onto your transcript, but I think that's changed or is in the process of being changed since the majority of students tend to bomb these shelves miserably.
Second year starts out with Microbiology, moves onto Neuroscience II, then Systems (Pulm, Cardio, Renal, Endocrine, Reproductive, GI, Connective Tissue). You have MCS (Foundations II) and ICM (which becomes graded this year) all year long.
how are exams set up? what is this i heard about online exams?
Well first year most exams are proctored in the lecture halls or computer classrooms, with the exception of embryo and anatomy quizzes. Second year, exams come in blocks (referred to as megas), and you can take them anywhere on the internet. Second year exams can get kinda annoying since unlike first yr exams, you don't necessarily take the exam for a course immediately after (ie Pulmonary component for systems for us ended before Christmas, and I'm taking this exam for it tomorrow).
have you heard any significant complaints from third and fourth years? (this question is inspired by the thread trashing Einstein's 3rd and 4th year)
Nothing too crazy. Assignment of the order in which you do rotations as well as where (Stony, VA, NUMC, Winthrop, Flushing Hospitals, etc.) is all done thru a lottery. Most people get something close to their preferred schedule and location, but for those who don't, it can suck really badly (but they are a small minority). And the quality of instruction at rotations (and hence complaints) depends on interns, residents, and attendings, which can be different from year to year.
i saw in the c/o 2012 thread that you weren't particularly fond of SB. has that changed? what are your major gripes? what schools did you chose SB over and is there one you would prefer over SB now?
Didn't really choose SB. I ended up here as default. My top choice was UT Southwestern, which I was on the waitlist for (i'm from Dallas). I gave up my UT Houston and UT San Antonio acceptances to stay on that waitlist (TX has a weird rule that if you want to remain on a TX waitlist after a certain date, you relinquish any acceptances you have). I gambled and lost, and SB was my only remaining acceptance.
I was pissed off at first, but I guess I'm over it (still bothers me sometimes, especially when I look at my financial debt or get guilt tripped by parents).
There are plenty of things I like about SB. Most classes aren't mandatory, there is a transcription service for lectures, and video in the works. I had ALOT of free time first year (I didn't go to school for half of the first semester and pretty much all of second semester, minus the few mandatory things you have here and there), and still alot of free time this year (didn't go to alot of classes again). It really depends on how well you want to do in these didactic years. I only shoot to pass, and that's pretty damn easy if you know what to do (so get chummy with upperclassmen to get all the intel). This school isn't difficult at all, had a much, much rougher time trying to pass my undergrad JHU engineering program.
So I don't know. I'd have liked to go back to Texas, but at the same time I doubt I would have as easy a time as I'm having here. I have minor gripes, as you've read already - stuff like undergrads overrunning the place, parking issues, cafeteria food sucks, etc. But I suppose this place has grown on me somewhat as well. My classmates are very nice, so that's also a plus.
That brings up an interesting topic. There's this stereotypic trend that both students and faculty will never agree to officially, but is agreed upon somewhat under the table. And I'm sure some current students will disagree with me on this here for the sake of political correctness, but you all can see for yourselves when you come here. As you know, how chill and cooperative a med school class is sometimes makes a big difference in your med school experience. SB has this tendency to make a chill class every other year, and have a not so chill class on the off years. For example, class of 2007, 2009 (current fourth years), and 2011 (current 2nd yrs) are regarded as the nice classes where students are friendly. While the classes of 2008, 2010 (3rd yrs), and 2012 (1st yrs) are not necessarily mean or disgruntled, they have the reputation of being mad gunners (but as a result, have higher grades - there were some crazy board scores in the third yrs class, like near 270!!!)
Soemthing to think about
finally...is there anything you know now that you wish you had known before going to SB?
Not really. My girlfriend is a 4th yr and she and her friends pretty much filled me in on everything long before I got here.
thank you so much for your input eternalrage. besides skinMD questions above, would you say you are generally happy with the decision of attending SB?
Let's say I don't hate the decision.
also, do you think that by getting the school of med student government involved (assuming of course there is one) they can make parking easier for med students? like restrict undergrads from parking in the slots of the med science school or the sort? has this been tried before and is this even an option or nonrelaistic?
I don't think they would take the undergrad thing seriously, since there are actually some undergrad courses held on our side of Nichols Road (tho not enough to justify the seas of med student doctor wannabes flooding our building).
There is a good deal of student government here, if you are into that sort of thing, and they do make alot of strides. I do believe something concerning the parking is in the works.
to current students:
can any of you post the required textbooks for MS1 and 2? i am going out of the country and want to bring back international versions of them so i can save money.
I've only bought two books since coming here. First Aid, and an anatomy abridged text written by one of our professors (20 bux). Some courses have required textbooks that are completely useless or extraneous. Anything else, you can borrow or buy before the course begins (there's always book sale spamming going on via email). Don't go crazy buying books unless there is a general consensus by upper classmen that insists that you absolutely need it.
thank you all for the feedback/advice.
I really like the fact that we will be paired with big sibs, this will make the transition less difficult.
Some big sibs don't really do much big sibbing. Others will bend over backwards for you. If you get the latter, milk them for all they're worth.
I had a question, do you guys remember when u received ur financial aid package once you were accepted to SB? thanks
Yep late summer.