Mohs has a listed 75th of >1 million/yr. Wild.Well, to be fair, I meant specialties as a whole, but yeah, that sounds very much up there. I'd think close seconds are Mohs and Retina.
What source? I figured most surveys wouldn't have enough data points for either Mohs or Retina. Especially when they have such a low response rate.
Psychiatry has a pretty high ceiling and it's not just limited to high-end cash practices or working insane hours.Super high-end cash psychiatry as well.
Challenges of $600-a-Session Patients (Published 2008)
Wealthy patients, used to getting what they want, can present countless challenges for their therapists.www.nytimes.com
PP in general (not just wealthy patients) with reasonable business sense, locums work, forensics, IMEs, working outside of major metro areas (I currently have one such offer for an inpatient position with a population I enjoying working with, starting at $420K, good benefits, government pension, qualifies for state and federal loan foregiveness programs beyond PSLF if I stay for at least 4 years, ~40hrs/week, home call q10), etc. Plus you can mix and match those to your liking. It's also possible to arrange multiple inpatient gigs and hit the upper 6 figure lower 7 figure range, but that comes at the cost of working >40-50hrs/week and, more importantly, quality of the work you're providing.
Hospital employed, SC.
I'm paid on production (with quality bonuses that are also based on that productivity) so my only "raises" are because I've been seeing more patients as time goes on. I was just barely meeting my salary guarantee until one of my partners retired August 1. I've doubled my numbers since then.
Shhhh...they are going to hear you. Let's keep that rads match rate >95% for the best paying field in medicine...
Thats gonna change with cms cuts
Rads paying really well isn't a secret. It's just that many things matter more than the pay.
CMS cuts were reduced from 11 percent to 4 percent. Still a big chunk but not as draconian as the original slash.
Yeah rads is awesome but lets not let SDN overhype it and possibly contribute to a future crash like in radonc
this might be a hot take, but 4% less of $600k/yr is still enough to keep the lights on where I am from
"suck" is relative.
The thing with these old salty docs who complain about how much money they used to make is that while they are typing that comment on SDN with one hand, they are signing away their practice to a venture capital firm with the other hand.
A lot of the time, there is still plenty of money to be made. These older docs are just set in their ways and unwilling to try new things.
It's too awesome...
Dude.....aren't you in IM??
If they are, I can't think of a specialty more qualified to educate us on the downsides of patient contact...
Yeah I am...
Idk about you guys but half the reason many of us went into medicine in the first place was for direct patient care
To each their own. There’s a bunch more great stories of patient contact too. Yes there’s downsides to everything for different people but I would go bat**** crazy staring at a screen all damn day in the dark. Maybe that’s why not everyone is flying to rads?
That’s the logical reason that more people don’t apply to rads. The illogical one is AI. Put those two together and rads is a lot less competitive than derm while being higher paying per hour🤯
? The average Radiologist works a lot more hours than the average Dermatologist with very similar pay. The pay per hour is not higher.
Maybe they mean nocturnist Rads?
That’s a subset of Radiology, not Radiology in general. By that logic, compare it to Mohs or Retina. Both have a very similar $/h to nocturnist Rads.
Exactly. You have to compare apples to apples.
That’s not exactly the fairest comparison because Mohs and retina require a specific, competitive fellowship to get their insane pay. Night rads doesn’t need a specific fellowship, any fellowship will do and most aren’t competitive at all. You don’t even technically need a fellowship, but it’s kinda like ortho these days where everyone does one. Regardless, you can do night rads for more $$$/hr and switch back to days if you hate it. I guess you could go back to general derm or ophtho if you hated Mohs or retina but that switch isn't exactly common.
Well you can’t mention derm working 4 days a week and not mention night rads only working 1/3rd of the year. Yes it’s nights, but it’s also 1 week on 2 weeks off for $400k which is insane even for the ability to do that for a few years.
I looked and I couldn’t find anything on Auntminnie or Google but you make a good point. Maybe someone from the dark side will enlighten us if they are lurking. And probably smack some sense into me about how much night rads sucks :’(
I mean do you consider hospitalist pay to be fake news because they work 1 on:1 off? Very few MDs are IM nocturnists, but that's also a thing. ED docs work weird hours all the time and even alternate day/night, and can make great hourly $$$. There's even locums ED guys, who are moving all over the place and working weird hours, which sounds a lot worse than nighthawking to me.
Were they out in the sticks? I'd been hearing the opposite about EM lately, that job market is looking poor
Do you think the recent market squeeze in EM is more to do with COVID, or just a longcoming trend in general?
It’s almost mean to even mention this to medical students trying to decide on a speciality. By the time we are done with residency, EM will be lucky to be making $180/hr inflation adjusted, let alone the $320/hr you are talking about. Not sure if EM is worth $180-200/hr when your patients will scream, spit, and physically attack you more than any other speciality and you literally can’t turn them away if they show up tomorrow to do the same. You will never have a regular sleep schedule (unless you do only nights), and you spend half your shift on the phone talking to doctors that are mad you called.
What's your take on healthcare reform (e.g. public option, single payer, etc...)? Is it the death knell for physician salaries everyone says it is?
I think you are reading wayyy to many negative nannies on the EM board. Sure EM is not as good as it was 5+ yrs ago where I would put it up against any specialty when you take into account it is 3 yrs.
