Rank Order List [2012-2013]

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As alluded to, this is the post all of the class of 2013, including me, seems to want to see:

I am AOA at the best medical school in the world. My step scores are both over 310. 10 applications, 11 offers, 10 interviews. Also, cured cancer and autism.

1. Place that's really competitive What a program. I love it. You know that anyone who gets an interview here and has any social skills is going to get their top three.

2. Legendary competitive program Also very good, but mostly here to show you that #1 wasn't a fluke. I'm totally competitive and will get my top 3.

3. Other program Great program. I ranked it lower than the other two because I feel bad riding on my legacy; because the last 14 generations of my family have done residency here. In the ER. And my dad is PD. Mom is hospital CEO. Brother is emergency chief. And some of the other attendings used to babysit me when I was little. No way I'll go below this program on my list.

list of programs 4-8

9. Your #1 program This was the possibly the best place I visited. But I dislike the weather. Too hot or too cold, depending. I won't be matching here and therefore won't be competing for your spot.

10. Your #2 program Wow, what a place. Perfect. but I dislike the weather and my SO would never move here. So I'm not competing for your spot. Totally get why you want to go here, though. Fantastic place

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As alluded to, this is the post all of the class of 2013, including me, seems to want to see:

I am AOA at the best medical school in the world. My step scores are both over 310. 10 applications, 11 offers, 10 interviews. Also, cured cancer and autism.

1. Place that's really competitive What a program. I love it. You know that anyone who gets an interview here and has any social skills is going to get their top three.

2. Legendary competitive program Also very good, but mostly here to show you that #1 wasn't a fluke. I'm totally competitive and will get my top 3.

3. Other program Great program. I ranked it lower than the other two because I feel bad riding on my legacy; because the last 14 generations of my family have done residency here. In the ER. And my dad is PD. Mom is hospital CEO. Brother is emergency chief. And some of the other attendings used to babysit me when I was little. No way I'll go below this program on my list.

list of programs 4-8

9. Your #1 program This was the possibly the best place I visited. But I dislike the weather. Too hot or too cold, depending. I won't be matching here and therefore won't be competing for your spot.

10. Your #2 program Wow, what a place. Perfect. but I dislike the weather and my SO would never move here. So I'm not competing for your spot. Totally get why you want to go here, though. Fantastic place

Hilarious! I like it! Btw, how did you know that I cured cancer? I mean I did, but it's not one of my 200+ publications...yet.
 
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I can tell you that I did not rank Carolinas #1 to impress my classmates, family, faculty, or SDN. I ranked it #1 for a wide variety of reasons (family, professional, fit, etc), non of which is to look cool as an anonymous poster on this website. What this does tell you though, is that a lot of very competitive applicant interviewed at Carolinas and that quite a few of them really enjoyed the interview and their program.

I also ranked Carolinas high and I agree with this. I thought the people and program there were great. I have a family and it seemed very family friendly also.

I'm a little worried that my top places seem to be high on people's lists. But in the end, we all will end up where we were meant to be. At least I hope! :)

C'mon, it was meant to be pretty tongue-in cheek. Agree with both of you, Carolinas was a nice place....totally understand why someone would put it #1.

I love reading these lists. Really do. Obviously I don't agree with...heck, even understand some of them....but thats why I think they're beautiful, because they're through a lens of 1 (maybe 2+ if family, etc.). However, trying to expound on the ROLs and formulate a "true competitiveness" ranking/score....I don't really think its such a good idea...just too skewed, too biased a sample. Can't deny that. However, I DO think something along these lines should be done to help future classes. But I feel like this isn't our call, and this is something that all programs within a specialty need to do in order to guide future applicants. We've all probably received numerous surveys from ERAS or NRMP about how to improve the process, etc....I feel like instead of just publiishing stats for each specialty as a whole, each program should post their individual means. THEY have ALL the true data, THEY truly can guide future applicants per the "what are my chances" etc. questions. Then an applicant in 2014 can look at In-n-Out Burger University and say, ok, average Step 1 of 239, Step 2 of 244,...2 EM-specific publications, 6 community-service work experiences.... hailing from universities Haardees x 3, Carl. Jrs x 2, Rallys, McD's x 2, Wendy's, Taco Bell and Chipotle....most commonly cited extracurricular activities included gaining weight, hardening of arteries, developing insulin resistance and promoting a shorter, more tidy lifespan....5 married, 3 married w/ kids, 6 single, all have pet ferrets....you see? THAT is useful because the guy/gal can say, ****, I did well on boards! I'm from McD's! I helped with 3 papers on the future of deep-fried coke-zero slurpees! I'm hoping to be on a ventilator by age 65 AND I have 3 pet ferrets!!!! I have a very reasonable chance at In-n-Out and I'm definitely applying!!!

Boom. Applicants. Helped. True Competitiveness. Gauged. Successful matching of program and applicant. Achieved.

I love all of you guys, you're my future fellow residents, co-workers, neighbors, etc....Sincerely hope every single applicant ends up at THEIR best place for success and happiness. Truf.
 
Another ROL from another "top tier" applicant. Steps 250s/270s, EM Honors x2, multiple EM-related research projects with publications and/or presentations, heavy community service experience, a couple major leadership positions, some unique skill sets. Interviews offered at 25/29 places applied to. (Yes, there is definitely some randomness to this process.) I wrote out VERY thorough reviews of these programs, which I will post after the Match is complete. I would encourage others to do the same so that we can better help future classes.

1. Mayo
2. Christiana
3. University of Arizona South Campus
4. University of New Mexico
5. Advocate Christ
6. OHSU
7. UTSW Austin
8. Vanderbilt
9. University of Missouri at KC (Truman)
10. Maricopa

I am really enjoying seeing all of these ROLs as it drives home the point that there are a lot of stellar programs out there and we are all looking for different things. Although some programs are obviously lower on my list, they are not "bad" programs, just not the right fit for me.
 
C'mon, it was meant to be pretty tongue-in cheek. Agree with both of you, Carolinas was a nice place....totally understand why someone would put it #1.

I love reading these lists. Really do. Obviously I don't agree with...heck, even understand some of them....but thats why I think they're beautiful, because they're through a lens of 1 (maybe 2+ if family, etc.). However, trying to expound on the ROLs and formulate a "true competitiveness" ranking/score....I don't really think its such a good idea...just too skewed, too biased a sample. Can't deny that. However, I DO think something along these lines should be done to help future classes. But I feel like this isn't our call, and this is something that all programs within a specialty need to do in order to guide future applicants. We've all probably received numerous surveys from ERAS or NRMP about how to improve the process, etc....I feel like instead of just publiishing stats for each specialty as a whole, each program should post their individual means. THEY have ALL the true data, THEY truly can guide future applicants per the "what are my chances" etc. questions. Then an applicant in 2014 can look at In-n-Out Burger University and say, ok, average Step 1 of 239, Step 2 of 244,...2 EM-specific publications, 6 community-service work experiences.... hailing from universities Haardees x 3, Carl. Jrs x 2, Rallys, McD's x 2, Wendy's, Taco Bell and Chipotle....most commonly cited extracurricular activities included gaining weight, hardening of arteries, developing insulin resistance and promoting a shorter, more tidy lifespan....5 married, 3 married w/ kids, 6 single, all have pet ferrets....you see? THAT is useful because the guy/gal can say, ****, I did well on boards! I'm from McD's! I helped with 3 papers on the future of deep-fried coke-zero slurpees! I'm hoping to be on a ventilator by age 65 AND I have 3 pet ferrets!!!! I have a very reasonable chance at In-n-Out and I'm definitely applying!!!

Boom. Applicants. Helped. True Competitiveness. Gauged. Successful matching of program and applicant. Achieved.

I love all of you guys, you're my future fellow residents, co-workers, neighbors, etc....Sincerely hope every single applicant ends up at THEIR best place for success and happiness. Truf.

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Love SDN, really feeds my neurosis, so here goes: Step 1: 245, Step 2: 257 (didnt take until November), H/HP EM rotations, good mix of H, HP, and P in other clinicals. Mostly P and HP in basic sciences. Low-Mid tier med school?. Northeast boy 4life

1.) Maine Med - Loved it
2.) UConn
3.) UMass
4.) ORMC - loved it but florida
5.) SLR
6.) Maimonides
7.) NYH Queens
8.) Drexel
9.) Staten Island
10.) BI NY
11.) NY Methodist
12.) Florida Hospital
 
As alluded to, this is the post all of the class of 2013, including me, seems to want to see:

I am AOA at the best medical school in the world. My step scores are both over 310. 10 applications, 11 offers, 10 interviews. Also, cured cancer and autism.

1. Place that's really competitive What a program. I love it. You know that anyone who gets an interview here and has any social skills is going to get their top three.

2. Legendary competitive program Also very good, but mostly here to show you that #1 wasn't a fluke. I'm totally competitive and will get my top 3.

3. Other program Great program. I ranked it lower than the other two because I feel bad riding on my legacy; because the last 14 generations of my family have done residency here. In the ER. And my dad is PD. Mom is hospital CEO. Brother is emergency chief. And some of the other attendings used to babysit me when I was little. No way I'll go below this program on my list.

list of programs 4-8

9. Your #1 program This was the possibly the best place I visited. But I dislike the weather. Too hot or too cold, depending. I won't be matching here and therefore won't be competing for your spot.

10. Your #2 program Wow, what a place. Perfect. but I dislike the weather and my SO would never move here. So I'm not competing for your spot. Totally get why you want to go here, though. Fantastic place

Love it.
 
when did EM become so intense? This thread needs to chill out and stop with all the bragging!
 
when did EM become so intense? This thread needs to chill out and stop with all the bragging!

this thread is horrible.

just live life, and be grateful you are going to be an EM physician. Whether its In N Out program or Burger King Community program, you are going to be well trained and its incredible!!
 
Are people really bragging? Sure everyone seems to have well above average board scores, but that's typical of any segment of SDN. So far I think we've seen most people rank their programs according to a myriad of factors; I don't think I've seen any that you could clearly sort by prestige of the program. Ionno, I just think it's fun to see where people ranked certain programs...it's like ranking ice cream flavors.

(Mint chocolate chip is my #1 if anyone's curious...SO vetoed chocolate.)
 
244/260 top 25% at top 40 NIH school

Vandy, GT, UAB, Maryland in no particular order.

Only ranking the places I care to be at.

GL on the Ides.
 
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Bragging would be if they posted "In YO FACE, 280/290, SUCK IT, WOOOO"

If they post a high scoring USMLE, let it be, it's they're score, it won't lower yours by any ya know?

That being said, I got a 280 on step 1, and 290 on step 2.

I kid, I kid.
 
Back to adding something worthwhile to this thread….

I’m a DO student (chose this route over IMG bc I do not care that much about the MD after my name). I didn’t get into US allo schools bc I have more criminal charges than most of you all do degrees. #streetcred. If we play the numbers game, I’m average at best. But my wife is a 10, and hotter than yours. #boom. Couples matching so some rank spots reflect that.

DO student. 230/240; SLORS x 2 (1 H/ 1 HP); 2 non-EM research pubs

Applied to 44, Invited by 17, Interviewed at 14

1. Indiana: It’s my #1, need I say more. 3 Trauma 1 hospitals. Academic & County feel. Didactics spread out over 2 days. Countless opportunities. Jeff Kline.
2. MetroHealth/ CC: Great trauma, great clinical training. Great zebras at CC. Residents have swagger. A little overworked. Will become a haus though. Residents stay on avg 1.5 hrs after shifts to chart.
3. MCW: smaller program than I was wanting. Cool city: “Mini-Chicago”. Casino close by, I’m a degenerate. Great medical campus.
4. UMKC: Good trauma. Established program. Kansas City is more fun than I thought.
5. Wake Forest: Intense PD. Cool city. Residents spend a lot of time charting. ED is a little old.
6. Drexel: Heritage. Great CCU experience. Didn’t get to see the other hospitals. Too many programs covering a similar area.
7. UK: New ED, New PD. Great program. Matt Dawson = Baller US program. Would have been top 3 but my SO didn’t like her program here.
8. UIC-P: Great program, New ED. New SIM center. Wasn’t too fond of the location or it could have made my top 3-5.
9. Ressurection: Too much driving from hospitals. Chicago traffic, pass. Most fun residents and faculty I met on the trail.
10. KU: new program. Still establishing. Pretty kush, but would rather go to UMKC.
11. Penn State Hershey: Great program. Wasn’t fond of the location or it could have made my top 7.
12. Allegheny: Out dated ED. Didn’t click with anyone here. No EMR. Great location.
13. SLU: PD rubbed me the wrong way. Was bashing DOs. Program is tiny. ED is tiny. PD has ED, and is tiny. Second fiddle to WashU.
14. UF-Jax: Would be in my top 3, but SO wasn’t feeling it. Very procedures heavy.
 
Thanks anonymous---MOAR RANK LISTS PLZ :)

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Keep them coming!
 
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Back to adding something worthwhile to this thread….

I’m a DO student (chose this route over IMG bc I do not care that much about the MD after my name). I didn’t get into US allo schools bc I have more criminal charges than most of you all do degrees. #streetcred. If we play the numbers game, I’m average at best. But my wife is a 10, and hotter than yours. #boom. Couples matching so some rank spots reflect that.

DO student. 230/240; SLORS x 2 (1 H/ 1 HP); 2 non-EM research pubs

Applied to 44, Invited by 17, Interviewed at 14

1. Indiana: It’s my #1, need I say more. 3 Trauma 1 hospitals. Academic & County feel. Didactics spread out over 2 days. Countless opportunities. Jeff Kline.
2. MetroHealth/ CC: Great trauma, great clinical training. Great zebras at CC. Residents have swagger. A little overworked. Will become a haus though. Residents stay on avg 1.5 hrs after shifts to chart.
3. MCW: smaller program than I was wanting. Cool city: “Mini-Chicago”. Casino close by, I’m a degenerate. Great medical campus.
4. UMKC: Good trauma. Established program. Kansas City is more fun than I thought.
5. Wake Forest: Intense PD. Cool city. Residents spend a lot of time charting. ED is a little old.
6. Drexel: Heritage. Great CCU experience. Didn’t get to see the other hospitals. Too many programs covering a similar area.
7. UK: New ED, New PD. Great program. Matt Dawson = Baller US program. Would have been top 3 but my SO didn’t like her program here.
8. UIC-P: Great program, New ED. New SIM center. Wasn’t too fond of the location or it could have made my top 3-5.
9. Ressurection: Too much driving from hospitals. Chicago traffic, pass. Most fun residents and faculty I met on the trail.
10. KU: new program. Still establishing. Pretty kush, but would rather go to UMKC.
11. Penn State Hershey: Great program. Wasn’t fond of the location or it could have made my top 7.
12. Allegheny: Out dated ED. Didn’t click with anyone here. No EMR. Great location.
13. SLU: PD rubbed me the wrong way. Was bashing DOs. Program is tiny. ED is tiny. PD has ED, and is tiny. Second fiddle to WashU.
14. UF-Jax: Would be in my top 3, but SO wasn’t feeling it. Very procedures heavy.

Sounds like quite the interview experience.
 
DISCLAIMER: just answering a post here people, and he didn't put it on the dedicated thread.

Because it's fun and I've been bored! I like your category suggestions, I'll see what I can do :) haha.

I'll say it one more time--the big idea was just to have a place where people can look at ONE page instead of scrolling through 200 posts to see who has ranked their favorite program. Clearly people have been interested in it because over 1500 people have viewed it in the last 3 days.

I have to organize it SOMEHOW, and it seemed like a fun idea to come up with a "Power Score". Believe it or not, I put a lot of thought into the categories (and a lot of people have made suggestions). The reasons the "ranked first multiplier" affects the score so much is because someone else ranking their favorite program first is the single thing that affects another applicant most, i.e., I don't care if 30 people rank it second, as long as nobody else ranks it first, I'm golden! That's the idea anyway. Hence, program "1" with 5 people ranking it first (i.e., Carolinas) is way more "powerful" than a program which may have many more people ranking it but not as many ranking it first (i.e., Orlando) and will be harder to match into.

REGARDLESS, The whole thing is tongue in cheek, because it's just a self-parody of how we all act on SDN anyway.

:smack:

Why don't you quote his response in your thread and reply to him there?
 
. 13. SLU: PD rubbed me the wrong way. Was bashing DOs. Program is tiny. ED is tiny. PD has ED, and is tiny. Second fiddle to WashU.

My reaction to your rank list.
:whoa: --> :wow: --> :smack: --> :lol:
 
My reaction to your rank list.
:whoa: --> :wow: --> :smack: --> :lol:

RE:SLU PD, I think there've been a couple people in addition to RF saying similar things...I wonder what's going on
 
Guys can we keep the "power score" discussion at the other thread? I keep opening this thread thinking there are more lists and just see more discussion about the spreadsheet. It is all cool that you are doing it, but lets keep the discussion over there if possible. Thanks.
 
Back to adding something worthwhile to this thread….

I’m a DO student (chose this route over IMG bc I do not care that much about the MD after my name). I didn’t get into US allo schools bc I have more criminal charges than most of you all do degrees. #streetcred. If we play the numbers game, I’m average at best. But my wife is a 10, and hotter than yours. #boom. Couples matching so some rank spots reflect that.

DO student. 230/240; SLORS x 2 (1 H/ 1 HP); 2 non-EM research pubs

Applied to 44, Invited by 17, Interviewed at 14

1. Indiana: It’s my #1, need I say more. 3 Trauma 1 hospitals. Academic & County feel. Didactics spread out over 2 days. Countless opportunities. Jeff Kline.
2. MetroHealth/ CC: Great trauma, great clinical training. Great zebras at CC. Residents have swagger. A little overworked. Will become a haus though. Residents stay on avg 1.5 hrs after shifts to chart.
3. MCW: smaller program than I was wanting. Cool city: “Mini-Chicago”. Casino close by, I’m a degenerate. Great medical campus.
4. UMKC: Good trauma. Established program. Kansas City is more fun than I thought.
5. Wake Forest: Intense PD. Cool city. Residents spend a lot of time charting. ED is a little old.
6. Drexel: Heritage. Great CCU experience. Didn’t get to see the other hospitals. Too many programs covering a similar area.
7. UK: New ED, New PD. Great program. Matt Dawson = Baller US program. Would have been top 3 but my SO didn’t like her program here.
8. UIC-P: Great program, New ED. New SIM center. Wasn’t too fond of the location or it could have made my top 3-5.
9. Ressurection: Too much driving from hospitals. Chicago traffic, pass. Most fun residents and faculty I met on the trail.
10. KU: new program. Still establishing. Pretty kush, but would rather go to UMKC.
11. Penn State Hershey: Great program. Wasn’t fond of the location or it could have made my top 7.
12. Allegheny: Out dated ED. Didn’t click with anyone here. No EMR. Great location.
13. SLU: PD rubbed me the wrong way. Was bashing DOs. Program is tiny. ED is tiny. PD has ED, and is tiny. Second fiddle to WashU.
14. UF-Jax: Would be in my top 3, but SO wasn’t feeling it. Very procedures heavy.

RE:SLU PD, I think there've been a couple people in addition to RF saying similar things...I wonder what's going on

i really liked PD at slu. he was one of my favs!! location and small size pushed it a little further down my list.

also i didn't like Res at all!! i rotated their and just felt really awkward the whole month. some great faculty some jerks.
 
when did EM become so intense? This thread needs to chill out and stop with all the bragging!

and another quote (not sure how to double quote?):

"this thread is horrible.
just live life, and be grateful you are going to be an EM physician. Whether its In N Out program or Burger King Community program, you are going to be well trained and its incredible!!"



I would argue that if you can't see other peoples lists and stats without stressing you then you are the intense one.... You see the name of the thread, don't open it if you don't want to see exactly what the title of the thread says you will see. For example.. I know CNN is a completely liberally skewed news channel, so I don't watch CNN because it bugs me to see all the liberal propaganda.
 
Why don't you quote his response in your thread and reply to him there?

Good idea, I'll do that in the future!

I transferred over all my posts to the other thread and cleaned up the current one.
 
and another quote (not sure how to double quote?):

"this thread is horrible.
just live life, and be grateful you are going to be an EM physician. Whether its In N Out program or Burger King Community program, you are going to be well trained and its incredible!!"



I would argue that if you can't see other peoples lists and stats without stressing you then you are the intense one.... You see the name of the thread, don't open it if you don't want to see exactly what the title of the thread says you will see. For example.. I know CNN is a completely liberally skewed news channel, so I don't watch CNN because it bugs me to see all the liberal propaganda.

not stressed at all. I see your point though.
 
and another quote (not sure how to double quote?):

"this thread is horrible.
just live life, and be grateful you are going to be an EM physician. Whether its In N Out program or Burger King Community program, you are going to be well trained and its incredible!!"



I would argue that if you can't see other peoples lists and stats without stressing you then you are the intense one.... You see the name of the thread, don't open it if you don't want to see exactly what the title of the thread says you will see. For example.. I know CNN is a completely liberally skewed news channel, so I don't watch CNN because it bugs me to see all the liberal propaganda.

Wait a minute...if CNN is a liberal news channel....than MSNBC is........?
 
Any way we can keep this thread to posting rank lists? Gracias.
 
I'm kinda with DreamingTheLive on wanting more baby turtles. Please post your 10 favorite baby turtles.

I think to encourage the posting of more ROLs for our mutual enjoyment, and also to encourage the posting of cute animals of all kinds, I propose that each rank order list posted henceforth will receive a cute baby turtle/suitable other species as a reward.
 
Step 1: 210's Step 2: upper 230's. Honored home rotation and away rotation at big name program. High pass at other away rotation. Average med school. Average grades. Lots of community service. Applied to 60 programs due to scores not being phenomenal, got 20 interviews. Interviewed at 15. Ranked 15.

1. Cook County -rotated here and loved it. Couldn't shake off my love for Cook from day 1 of rotating there to the last day of submitting my ROL. It has it's problems, but I just love the faculty and the zest they have for the mission of the hospital. YAY CHI!
2. Wash U -not far from family. friend here loves it. County population with academic resources-- a month in Hawaii! Sign me up.
3. LSU -LOVE LOVE LOVE the residents and NOLA.
4. Maricopa cool program. Just not a huge fan of phx
5.MCW -flight=awesome and people were cool
6. Resurrection -awesome program with super chill faculty and residents. rotated here and liked it. but the commuting around Chi killed me.
7. UNLV LOVE vegas
8. UNMC
9. UMKC
10. Mayo -loved this program but as a single girl i had some serious reservations about moving to Rochester
11.Wake Forest -everyone in the program is married except like 2. I don't see myself finding a social circle there. otherwise the program was lovely.
12. Iowa
13. UI-Peoria
14. KU
15. SLU

I'd be happy at most of these programs. I'd be THRILLED with 1-3, and very happy with 1-6. Good luck to everyone! Hope this gives some appeasement to everyone... I have been just reading without posting mine and now i'm finally contributing!
 
Stats: Average school. Average grades. Scores are a little above avg, but not SDN Derm caliber...

1. Utah
Truly the nicest, most down to earth people I've met. PD has you call her by first name. Residents all seem super smart. All seem to have achieved a lot outside of medicine, as well as within. Seemed like a great split between University and busy Community settings. Outdoors access is phenomenal. U/S is uhmazing.

2. UNM
Another down to earth group. PD and chair are brilliant, and focused on teaching residents how to deliver the highest quality of patient care. Single site program, which blends University and County. Some boarding issues, and maybe a little too many primary care issues? These issues sort of go along w/ county environments though.. Big, nice ED, with lots of sick folks. The 7 ? bed crit/trauma pod seems to be the shining jewell of this program. Lots of CC folks on faculty. Lots of ICU time. This is one of the em/crit care meccas. 9 hour shifts. Outdoors access is pretty fantastic. ABQ is weird, but cool. Cheap living. No traffic. Badass program.

3. Loma Linda
Felt like a blend of Utah and UNM, but in SoCal. Where you have a 50/50 split between tertiary/quaternary academic center and rugged county hospital. Procedure madness. PD is nicest guy in the world. Peds is 2nd to none. Strong critical care emphasis. Residents were all super nice. The culture of the hospital is great. They really try to create a positive environment, and don't tolerate any malignant interactions - which is really important to me. I.E. doesn't get much respect. But, it's like an hour to anything you could want to do, weather is nice, and not as much traffic as LA. Wasn't completely sold on the 2 months of general surgery?!? As I understand, some of that is incorporating trauma care. But, I don't get the point of learning perioperative management of cholecystitis as an EM resident...
Another badass program.

4. U of Arizona - South Campus
80/20 split of rugged county hospital and uber-academic center. A lot like loma linda. U of A south is full of sick people. Basically no competition for procedures! Seasonal variability w/ the septic snowbirds in the winter. Walk in GSWs and some blunt comes here. All activations go to main campus. Seems like you see more than enough trauma at main campus. Faculty is shared between Main and South. There's a good mix of young enthusiastic faculty, and seasoned old timers (uh, Rosen anyone??). Residents were nice, fun, and smart. Really liked this program. Tucson is a progressive haven in the bat**** crazy state that is Arizona. If I was a little more into rock climbing, and tolerant of the heat, this might have been #1.. 12 hour shifts that apparently run late a lot are a big negative.

5. Christiana
Once again, a great mix of training sites. Urban "county" ED in wilmington. High acuity academic community center in Newark. No big egos here. Procedure madness. ***No Ortho Residents*** The few residents I met, I got along w/ great. Felt like a good fit. Seems like they go out together a lot. Didn't get to know the area too well. Seemed a little quiet. But, U of Delaware is in Newark, so there must be some fun downtown stuff to do. Lots of beach access, and outdoors stuff close by.

6. Beth Israel - NY
Good vibes. Lots of sick patients. about a third of your time is spent at Elmhurst, wearing the trauma pager, while seeing pts in the ED. Apparently, this is awesome. Faculty from all over. Manhattan could be a fun place to spend a few years. Great nursing staff. No typical NY BS like drawing blood, or wheeling pt to xr. Bitchin apartments next to the hospital which are subsidized (still expensive by non NY standards). Negs: only 2 or 3 months in ICU. Manhattan is damn expensive, and maybe a little too urban for this country bumpkin.

7. Albany
Great hospital, lots of ICU time. Really gelled w/ PD and faculty. One interviewer was HILARIOUS. Seems like a busy, fun, place to work. Lots of outdoor stuff like skiing, climbing, atv-riding. Negs were: 1 hospital site (I like the mix), and as crazy as it is, the tour just dragged on and on, which put a bad taste in my mouth (I know - silly). Would still be super psyched to end up here.

8. Maimonides
Super sick patients. Residents are super fun and close - probably the most fun I had at a dinner. PD is brash, which I liked. Procedure madness. Trauma is at Shock Trauma in Bulletmore +/-. The "critical," aka actively dying, part of the ED is nice, new, and well organized, if a little hectic. The "non-critical" pod is a disaster. Beds everywhere, stacked 3-4 pts deep. Don't know how I could get any work done, let a lone do a proper physical exam. This was a deal breaker for me. If not for this, would have ranked much higher.

9. Buffalo
Residents rotate at pretty much every major hospital in town. Uber county at Erie, and academic at main site. Beautiful new ED at main site that looks like an Apple store. Lots of sick folks. Didn't see conference, but residents seemed smart. PD is nice, and puts residents first. Buffalo was a LOT nicer than I expected. The hip downtown areas were really cool. The residents were very cohesive, and go out together a lot. Flexible vacation time. Training here seemed top notch. But, in the end, if I'm going to stay in the Northeast, I would rather be close to Philly or NYC.


10-15 in no particular order:

Vegas:
Crazy acuity. Lots of procedures. Interns wear pager for floor intubations = $$ PD was great, and got along well w/ residents. But, had terrible interactions w/ some faculty. Too bad, as this seems like a great program. I usually get along w/ everyone, but maybe it was just me?


JPS: Great PD, experienced faculty who have been pulled from various programs in TX. Residents hang outside of work. They were a lot of fun at the dinner and throughout the interview day. Downtown Ft. Worth seemed OK. High acuity ED. I don't think there's an ortho residency here??? Correct me if I'm wrong anyone. Trauma/crit bays were excellent. Program seems to be well funded. Efficient ED w/ fast throughput = more pts = more learning.

Would be happy to work here for the next 3 years. But, Tx would be a big change, and I'd rather go somewhere not QUITE so new. I think this will be one of the top programs in Tx in a couple years though..

Kaweah Delta: PD started EM in another country, the Netherlands, I think? So, starting a program is something he has done before. There are plenty of sick people in the valley here, and lots of trauma comes through the shop despite being a level 3? But, I was a little concerned about the lack of trauma experience at a level 2/level1 center. Seems like all the really big traumas will probably go to kern or Fresno. If there was a month long rotation at one of these sites, responding to traumas, this issue would probably evaporate for me. This is a contentious issue. Really, at many residencies, the EM resident has little to do w/ the Level 1 traumas (activations, whatever you call them). So, perhaps this isn't as big an issue as I have made it out to be. New program, and all the issues going a long w/ it. Small town, w/o a university, might be a tough place to live if you're single and don't have family there. The "innovative" curriculum touted by the assistant PD didn't seem so innovative. Right program for a certain type of person, I'm just not that person. No doubt, good training.

UI-Peoria:
Busy single hospital program. PD is nice. Lots of trauma and sick pts. Nice new ED. Residents were pretty cool. Peoria seems pretty boring. Really far from the airport = hard to escape. Not that into the midwest. If you are, you should check this place out.

Texas Tech:
County. Sick pts. Residents were among the friendliest I met on the trail. I felt like they'd be cool to hang out w/. Got a great family feel here.. PD is big into U/S. Lots of great outdoors activities nearby. In the end, I just didn't like El Paso as a town. Liked everything else.

Arkansas:
Felt very out of place here, as Arkansas seems to operate on a different plane. Almost everyone was from Arkansas, most were really friendly, others looked at me a little crooked.
Big, beautiful ED. Good peds experience in the ED @ Arkansas Children's. Arkansas is beautiful, and there are lots of outdoors opportunities. I guess I'm just not a southerner at heart!
 
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1. UCSF Fresno
2. Stanford
3. Harbor UCLA
4. LAC-USC
5. Highland
6. Las Vegas
7. UCLA Olive View
8. Loma Linda
9. Kaweah Delta
10. Mayo Clinic
11. Kern
 
Just an update for everyone--not for "power score" purposes but for compilation purposes--I have updated the spreadsheet with about 10 ROLs that were sent to me by PM. Pretty interesting developments!! :)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...e first time a school has ever eclipsed 100!?
 
Midwest girl looking for best place that's still near family and friends. Married to a scientist, but no kids thank god haha. I feel like my application is pretty good but I don't really want to post specifics. If we don't end up in Midwest we'd prefer certain parts of south, so ranked accordingly.

1. Mayo- My husbands favorite because of the endless research opportunities, my personal #1b or #2. But this is a team sport so we gave Mayo the nod! Great people, very family friendly, loved the curriculum, Rochester is just ok. Really liked the faculty members that I met. Amazing gym and the Mayo building is soo beautiful wow! Husband loved research opportunities (read: money)!

2. U. of Iowa- Probably my EM crush or personal #1a. People were soo nice! Seemed to be very family friendly, Iowa is a suprisingly huge hospital and referral center and a powerhouse for research so husband would be happy too. I loved iowa city omg!

3. Medical College of Wisconsin- really nice people, nice hospital system, my husbands home state. Thought peds and trauma was really strong.

4. U. of Wisconsin- husbands home state
5. Kalamazoo
6. Grand Rapids
7. Regions
8. Duke- our crush in the south
9. Palmetto-USC
10. U. of North Carolina
11. Emory
12. Carolinas
13. U. of Kentucky
14. Louisville
 
About me: US med school, no idea how we rank. Had to repeat 2nd year due to making a couple C's. Rest of pre-clinicals were B's. Third year probably half A's and half B's. Two home rotations, one away. A, B, B respectively on those. Two SLORs, no idea what they said, one letter from community EP, one from medicine attending. Step 1 - 223, Step 2 - 236, CS - pass. Pretty standard extracurriculars. Applied to 40 places, received nine interviews and went on all nine. Went mostly on my gut reaction, feel like I have forgotten a lot of the small details about most places..

1. UAB
Pros: Rotated here and loved it. Really clicked with the residents and loved all the faculty I met. The PD is a stand up guy, would love to work for him. Great facilities. Urban trauma/pathology plus all the ridiculousness of rural Alabama. Great schedule, family friendly. Awesome moonlighting opportunities starting toward the end of PGY1. Birmingham was great and I would enjoy living there for three years.

Cons: Some residents weren’t crazy about the trauma experience. Still said they were very comfortable when they were finished. Interviewed before Christmas and the pre-interview dinner was not the best.

2. U of Mississippi
Pros: Some of my favorite residents I met on the interview trail. Really fun pre-interview dinner and interview. I really liked the PD and was sold on the four year curriculum. Ridiculous moonlighting (2’s, 3’s and 4’s make ~10K extra/month). Good benefits including baller retirement. Facilities were pretty nice. Telemedicine was cool.

Cons: Jackson is not the most happening place. A little far from family. All 12 hour shifts (although no midday shifts, which I despise).

3. Virginia Tech Carillion Clinic
Pros: The PD was incredible. Easy to see myself working for him. Great vision for the program, wants to train world class EM physicians. Really nice facilities, hospital has tons of money and the EM department has a lot of pull. Research, if you’re into that. Paid for our incredibly nice hotel. Resident spouses took my wife for a tour and she loved it. Roanoke is beautiful.

Cons: Haven’t graduated a class yet. Lots of off service months (even though the residents thought it was helpful). Didn’t click quite as well with the residents as 1 and 2.

4. U of Kentucky
Pros: My home program. Know and love all the faculty/residents. Very ED heavy curriculum. Complement just increased to 10. New PD, and I was buying what he was selling. Baller U/S director and more faculty to come. No physical plants is as nice as ours. I see this program being really great in a few years. Lexington is beautiful and a very easy city to live in.

Cons: My home program. Ready to see something different. Rumors of getting rid of moonlighting.

5. LSU Baton Rouge
Pros: Really clicked with the residents here. One of my favorite interview days. Residents seemed like bad asses. Best interview dinner food/most fun post-interview festivities. Great mix of pathology at different shops. Most facilities were nice. Not a lot of other residents to fight over procedures with. Baton Rouge would be a lot of fun for three years.

Cons: The PD was mostly absent during the interview day (we only met her for a couple minutes). Some pains with the closing of the Earl. Big classes (15). Baton Rouge is way far from family.

6. Medical College of Georgia
Pros: Seemed like really solid training. ED heavy curriculum. Really like to get you involved in a niche (one guy went to Everest, crazy international opportunities, etc.). Clicked pretty well with the residents I met. My wife and I liked Augusta. Get to work the Masters.

Cons: Got a weird vibe during some of the interviews. Unorganized interview day.

7. ECU
Pros: Seemed like incredible training. All residents seemed really sharp. Not a lot of other services to share procedures with. Loved the interviews. Really nice facilities, hospital had lots of cash. Payed for our hotel.

Cons: Weird interactions at pre-interview dinner. Greenville was big time deal breaker (especially for wifey).

8. U of Louisville
Pros: Close to family. Graduates are ballers. You pretty much run **** as a 2 and 3. Close to family. Louisville was kind of a surprise (we usually avoid it).

Cons: By far my least favorite interview. Only interviewed with one resident and one faculty. Limited interaction with PD even though she seemed great. Pretty crummy facilities. They crammed “we’re so autonomous” down your throat, and I’m not 100% sold on that.

9. St. Louis U
Pros: Better than not matching. St Louis would probably be pretty fun.

Cons: I was threatened to be stabbed while leaving the pre-interview dinner. Newer program. Low volume. Didn't click well with the residents. Moonlighting forbidden.
 
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