can any one tell me what is the going rate for a BC diagnostic radiologist working appx 10 hours /day in a hospital? Does 1500 to 1800 sound reasonable or is it that high?
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Optometrists aren't allowed to ask about radiologist salaries. Sorry.
I know I am beneath you when one day you become a board certified physician in your specialty of choice, but what is wrong with asking the question? I laughed at your response b/c I believe you are kidding. I know a few radiologists that told me they make $5,000 to $6,000 a week gross (no taxes taken out)in a hospital setting. I was like wow! what a filed to be in if you really love it and enjoy it. They however, do not work all year round. I believe they work like 40-42 weeks out of the year. Just trying to verify the info. No big deal. Sorry, I'll go back to my second class citizenship.
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Do a quick search for job listings and you'll find the info you're looking for.
Typical starting salaries for rads are in the 300k-350k range. 40-42 wks/yr sounds a bit low, but I have seen offers with 14-18wks of vacation time. Try auntminnie.com or google.
Typical starting salaries for rads are in the 300k-350k range. 40-42 wks/yr sounds a bit low, but I have seen offers with 14-18wks of vacation time. Try auntminnie.com or google.
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I, for one, do not discuss salary openly. Maybe its just me. It is a personal thing. Try asking that question to a lawyer or any other professional he makes. People have little to gain and probably a lot more to lose by telling others what they make.
If you really want to know, you can google it to get a ball park sense.
thank you all for the info. Radiology is a mighty high paying field. Wow! Those starting salaries are real and people can actually make 7500 to 9,000 a week gross per diem/ locum tenem/ etc......
I know the responsibilty is also huge and the work can be very stressful.
Kudos to all of you in the radiology field!
I know the responsibilty is also huge and the work can be very stressful.
Kudos to all of you in the radiology field!
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I routinely make 2550/day at one of the locums gigs I frequent. On one busy Fri-Sun stretch where there were boatloads of studies, I busted my chops doing overtime and cleared 9K.
I also do telerad locums from time to time at 250/hour.
I also do telerad locums from time to time at 250/hour.
God Bless you ApacheIndian. My buddies weren't kidding me about their exoberant salaries. One of them also does telerad locum once in a while from his home and gets paid appx what you got paid.
What drives radiology salaries at such high compensation?
Is the work stressful as they say it is?
All those in radiology- smartest move ever!
What drives radiology salaries at such high compensation?
Is the work stressful as they say it is?
All those in radiology- smartest move ever!
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Holy crap.
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"What drives radiology salaries at such high compensation?"
I would like to know this as well. I'm going into radiology, but I'm not there yet so I have no real insight. I'm hopping there is a good reason because I don't want the bottom to fall out once I get there.
I would like to know this as well. I'm going into radiology, but I'm not there yet so I have no real insight. I'm hopping there is a good reason because I don't want the bottom to fall out once I get there.
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Mind you I am still a resident.
For assertive radiologists this is the tip of the iceburg. I know an IR guy that makes $4200 per 10 hour day and another fellow telerad who makes 5K/12 hour day from home. Keep in mind they are not sipping on coffee and flirting with nubile techs all day long -- they are working hard almost non-stop -- but it's still not too shabby if you ask me. Also bear in mind that these are exceptional gigs -- not averages by any means. But these are the kind of movers & shakers I roll with -- birds of a feather...
Why are salaries so high? It's a well known fact that salaries are directly correlated with member length.
For assertive radiologists this is the tip of the iceburg. I know an IR guy that makes $4200 per 10 hour day and another fellow telerad who makes 5K/12 hour day from home. Keep in mind they are not sipping on coffee and flirting with nubile techs all day long -- they are working hard almost non-stop -- but it's still not too shabby if you ask me. Also bear in mind that these are exceptional gigs -- not averages by any means. But these are the kind of movers & shakers I roll with -- birds of a feather...
Why are salaries so high? It's a well known fact that salaries are directly correlated with member length.
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high patient load. from my understanding, radiologists make decisions regarding the care for 100-200 patients per day. if they are paid $x per read (depending on complexity of case), then you can see how you can get large numbers. you see high salary in derm for similar reasons. Other docs come no where close to seeing this number of patients per day.
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Are u serious???
8 inches baby. Believe it.
Like I said those $ amounts are by no means the norm, but rather they represent what one can do today if he's got the heuvos rancheros for it. However the pendulum swings -- and gigs like these may not be around forever (but then again even better gigs may).
Salaries are sky-high because of a supply-demand mismatch. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with how brilliant we are or how much we help patients or what a difference we make or any other rhetoric like that. No, not even our impressive schlongs are the reason. Radiologists get paid a lot today for the same reason that Nintendo Wii's were selling for twice the "market price" on eBay fairly recently -- demand exceeded supply.
Be thankful for capitalism. The Invisible Hand is what lines my pockets.
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So, Apache, how does moonlighting as a resident work? At what point can you begin doing this? Are there any restrictions on your practices? I assume so, since you're not lisenced yet? What I'm getting at is...How does this work and when can I do it too?!? I too am cursed with being well endowed and like to pad my junk with dollar bills...try it...it feels great!
Man, what a great medical speciality to be in nowadays if you truly love the work and enjoy it. Too late for me, but if I could do it over again roll back the clock, I would have taken the MCAT's apply and who knows what could have happened. Radiology sounds like the best lifestyle and $$$. Where else can you make that extremely high salary and yet, enjoy your life?
Those who have been out for a while, did you know the money was that great or it just happens to come in cycles?
Kudos again to all of you!
Those who have been out for a while, did you know the money was that great or it just happens to come in cycles?
Kudos again to all of you!
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I don't know how old you are, but perhaps you could still go back and do it.
What I do know, however, is that "MCAT's" is not a word.
lolol you are correct indeed I meant MCAT. I am 40 years old. graduated OD school at 25, been out for 15 years and practicing optometry which no longer stimulates me. Nothing challenging about it. Easy work.
At 40, the drive and motivation for me at least is difficult now. How can someone in their 40's at least in the final 2 years of the MD program function thru wards and sleepless nights? It's grueling isn't it? I could collapse from exhaustion ?
At 40, the drive and motivation for me at least is difficult now. How can someone in their 40's at least in the final 2 years of the MD program function thru wards and sleepless nights? It's grueling isn't it? I could collapse from exhaustion ?
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If your motivation is purely financial, it wouldn't make sense.
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I think you guys need to realize that like Apache said himself, his figures are NOT the ordinary. Yes radiology gives you that potential but most radiologists wont make that kind of money. They make very good money but not the astronomical amounts.
Although those figures might not be the ordinary, I am not sure what you mean by very good money versus astronomical amounts? If 1200 to 2000 a day for 10 hours work a day or $120 to $200 an hour times 5 days equals 6,000 to 10,000 a week gross is just very good money then WOW! we are not on the same level. Compared to my daily salary I get peanuts, but who do you know besides vascular surgeons or anyone in medicine besides neurosurgery that make that amount in a week? Please don't tell me Bill gates, w. Buffet or Oracle CEO Lawrens A?
radiology salaries ARE ASTRONOMICAL!
radiology salaries ARE ASTRONOMICAL!
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I do some Locum work. You get $1500-2000/ 9 hour day where I have worked. It depends on case load and how desperate the client is...I have pulled in just over $22,000.00 for a 5 day week and both weekends around it...but this is not typical. Most places will pay $1700 -1800 / 9 hour day. Clients down play the work load so just figure you will be reading more studies than they quote.
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Not to turn this into a pissing contest, but the most I've done for a 9-day jaunt is 24K. Admittedly, this was somewhat taxing. Shortly thereafter is when I bought my Benz , and it made it all worth it hehe.
, and it made it all worth it hehe.These salary's are extremely inflated. I sincerely question the motivation behind these posts.
Dreamjob,
I don't know if you are a med student or licensed physician or healthcare practitioner but I know 2 people one a very good friend of mine since childhood that is a radiologist out in the West Coast and these salaries are NOT extremely inflated. "Motivation behind these posts." use your best judgement? I have absolutely nothing to gain by finding out these salaries. My good friend does make what Milrad and ApacheIndian make and quote. Nothing inflated or exaggerated.
Are you in internal med or family practice?
I don't know if you are a med student or licensed physician or healthcare practitioner but I know 2 people one a very good friend of mine since childhood that is a radiologist out in the West Coast and these salaries are NOT extremely inflated. "Motivation behind these posts." use your best judgement? I have absolutely nothing to gain by finding out these salaries. My good friend does make what Milrad and ApacheIndian make and quote. Nothing inflated or exaggerated.
Are you in internal med or family practice?
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Why are you asking the question and now answering it? (and capping off your replies with a veiled shot at other ACTUAL medical fields)
I too am beginning to wonder about YOUR motivation behind this thread.........
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and perhaps this was the wisest statement....
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Hehe -- yeah I'm making it all up to impress you -- whatever floats your boat dude -- have fun in whatever loser field you're going into.
The irony of this joker's comment is that he is clearly clueless as to the earning power of the radiologist -- a lot of these wannabe House-MD docs are. And since the #'s I and Milrad quoted are indeed real, it speaks volumes to me that these hoi polloi docs think that they are so astonomically high that they are unbelievable -- haha -- gotta love rads!
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Hehe -- yeah I'm making it all up to impress you -- whatever floats your boat dude -- have fun in whatever loser field you're going into.
The irony of this joker's comment is that he is clearly clueless as to the earning power of the radiologist -- a lot of these wannabe House-MD docs are. And since the #'s I and Milrad quoted are indeed real, it speaks volumes to me that these hoi polloi docs think that they are so astonomically high that they are unbelievable -- haha -- gotta love rads!
I think he was questioning the OPs motivation to even know the information? I mean why does he care so much?
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Career change?
The real question is, will these magnificent salaries last?
I've been searching thru different fields to go into and salary/lifestyle, as taboo as they are to mention, rank high on the list.
Was thinking about derm at first but am starting to to lose interest with the brutal competition of just getting into the field. That and the average salary is oddly lower than that of radiology. Again, the question is whether new advances in technology/changes in health care administration will affect this number/thinking.
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I'm sure they will... how much and when is anyone's guess. The general trend is for all medical specialties to have salary cuts (or at least stagnant growth)... so the real question is how radiology will compare to the other medical options. Seems like radiology is well poised to at least offer the possibility of keeping reimbursements steady through increased efficiency - something hard to accomplish when time with the patient dictates your speed.
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I agree with Osli in that in this crazy time in healthcare all specialties should worry about reimbursement cuts. However, radiology in my opinion does seem to be in good position to "dilute" the losses especially compared to specialties which make their money on large and long surgeries (ie. joint replacement).
Also, let's say all specialist salaries get cut in the future. At least with radiology you can still have a good lifestyle, but if ur in surgery u'll still be working like crazy.
I think derm's average salary is highly misleading. Many dermatologists have agreements with cosmetic companies or they have their own "rejuvenating" spas. Needless to say, they have salaries that are higher than radiology.
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I see. And as they are cosmetic treatments, dermatologists who rely on that as their primary source of income probably aren't hit as hard by insurance reimbursement cuts.
Gravi69,
i asked the question b/c my very good friend who is a radiologist told me what he gets paid on per dien/ locum tenen and salaries in the hospital. I was truly amazed at his earnings and said ti myself "God Bless him for picking radiology as his specialty." He went thru hell as I remember back then (1 yr internship/ 4 residency and 1 yr fellowship) and deserves everything he gets! I went to these forums just to confirm what he told me. Not that I didn't believe him. As i realized thru some of you and the sites you gave me I was like wow! these salaries are real. If I could do it over again, indeed yes I would choose medicine over optometry. Optometry no longer challenges me even with increase scope and responsibility to pt care. It doesn't stimulate me and I realized about 5-7 years ago that I should have become something more than an optometrist back when I was in undergrad.
Does income and these salary have anything to do with it? You bet! If I told you No- would you believe me otherwise?
It sounds as you are a bit bitter and got defensive with me.
Anyhow, Best of Luck to you in whatever specialty you choose/ are in.
i asked the question b/c my very good friend who is a radiologist told me what he gets paid on per dien/ locum tenen and salaries in the hospital. I was truly amazed at his earnings and said ti myself "God Bless him for picking radiology as his specialty." He went thru hell as I remember back then (1 yr internship/ 4 residency and 1 yr fellowship) and deserves everything he gets! I went to these forums just to confirm what he told me. Not that I didn't believe him. As i realized thru some of you and the sites you gave me I was like wow! these salaries are real. If I could do it over again, indeed yes I would choose medicine over optometry. Optometry no longer challenges me even with increase scope and responsibility to pt care. It doesn't stimulate me and I realized about 5-7 years ago that I should have become something more than an optometrist back when I was in undergrad.
Does income and these salary have anything to do with it? You bet! If I told you No- would you believe me otherwise?
It sounds as you are a bit bitter and got defensive with me.
Anyhow, Best of Luck to you in whatever specialty you choose/ are in.
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If Apache keeps talking that way, people will realize they don't need to be paying out that much. That, and he just comes across as totally pompous, and honestly sounds like he's trying to compensate... someone who knows they're hot stuff (making alot of money, set in life, have self-worth/confidence) doesn't have to advertise to the world.
Yes, I'm new.. doesn't change the point. If a lot of radiologists talk like you, what a turn off to the field. *Flame jacket on*.
That being said, yes, I'm interested in the field - likely IR though since I like the hands on, but don't want to stand for hours for surgery.
Yes, I'm new.. doesn't change the point. If a lot of radiologists talk like you, what a turn off to the field. *Flame jacket on*.
That being said, yes, I'm interested in the field - likely IR though since I like the hands on, but don't want to stand for hours for surgery.
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I'm thinking about going into radiology myself. I'm also interested in the high income/salary (and no, Apache's numbers sound great but I'm not expecting anything near that level for myself. I'm a decidedly average student)
My question is: will it continue? Will outsourcing affect these salaries? Will cuts in reimbursement? Will a new president have any effect?
My response to my defensiveness: it's great you think so highly of radiologists and their income. There is no need to trample on FM and IM as you're touting rads.
Gravi69,
Good Luck with your choice if radiology happens to be it. You ask some valid and important question which I believe no one could answer at the moment. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound condescending towards IM and FM both specialties that people MD's work extremely hard and provide a crucial service to Americans all over.
BTW, why would you not be getting paid what those radiology salaries project. My friend reads many many films and provides other services as well -high volume, stress but gets compensated very well as you know from my comments. Why shouldn't you one day?
Good Luck with your choice if radiology happens to be it. You ask some valid and important question which I believe no one could answer at the moment. Sorry, I didn't mean to sound condescending towards IM and FM both specialties that people MD's work extremely hard and provide a crucial service to Americans all over.
BTW, why would you not be getting paid what those radiology salaries project. My friend reads many many films and provides other services as well -high volume, stress but gets compensated very well as you know from my comments. Why shouldn't you one day?
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Will it continue? Probably to some degree. I think we may see a drop on the extreme ranges, but rads will continue to be compensated well above the average for physicians.
Outsourcing? Maybe, if we can fix tort reform. Although that would decrease the # of films and decrease malpractice. Remember though, if we outsource to them to read our night films, they can do the same to us.
Cuts? Could be bad, but I doubt it will have any long term drastic effect.
New Pres (Obama?)? Only if a UHC bill manages to get through congress. I am all for parts of these ideas. I think a universal electronic health records system would work wonders for all of medicine.
To me, the main thing to keep in mind is the simple laws of supply and demand. If rads salarys were to be cut to Family Practice levels, then FAR less people would pursue rads as a specialty. I hate to say it, but many people seem to be picking rads for the lifestyle, not because they like it. Most people that go to med school enjoy (for some reason
) seeing pt's. If rads$$ = FP $$ then most would take the FP and run with the shorter residency. This would lead to a massive rads shortage, which would raise salaries back to their current Porshe-y levels.
The trick for people that WANT to lower rads salaries will be to lower them a little bit, without driving people away. Either way, is really fine with me. I'd do it even at a pcp salary! Hopefully, I'll get the chance!
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Most people that go to med school enjoy (for some reason
You're a pre-med student right? Errr -- no offense friend, but you have no idea what you're talking about. You think you do -- and where you get your info from I have no idea -- Grey's Anatomy? Your uncle the country doc? -- but you really don't.
Seeing patients for the vast majority of docs who have been out for a while is not desirable or pleasurable in any way, shape, or form. You think it sounds cool because you've shadowed someone or whatever, but that's not the real world son. You'll learn one day.
In your hypothetical scenario, if rads salaries dropped to the abymsal levels FP's get paid, true their would be less demand to go into rads, but I'll bet bottom dollar that the # of applicants would stay about the same, only their level of competitiveness would drop. Even at low pay rads BLOWS MOST OTHER SPECIALTIES OUT OF THE WATER --> work from home, work more/less as you like, no patients, no clinic, no paperwork.
If I was you -- i.e. a young and inexperienced and naive college student -- I would opine less and ask and listen/read more. My 2 cents.
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First, some quick replies because you kinda ticked me off...then a real response.
Never seen Grey's. Or any of the other crap medical shows. Except a bit of Scrubs now and again for laughs. I know the difference between TV writing and reality. Thanks.
No one in my family has ever done medicine. I am The First.
I am not young (at least not as young as you may think...I'm a non-trad), inexperienced or naive...I am also not your son. I am however a college student. 1/4 ain't that bad. Hope you read films better than this! (I'm sure you do...I'm just kidding)
Ok. Dude. Relax. Breathe.
A.) I agree with you. Seeing patients sucks. I was simply making the point that many people go into medicine thinking these types of thoughts, then proceed to go into patient care specialties...then the reality sets in and they become miserable jaded clinicians. I've seen it...I know.
B.) If you look at rads, say, 20 years ago...how many people were going into this badass specialty then? It will always be kinda popular for the reasons you mention, but it became REALLY, REALLY popular when the salaries skyrocketed. I know many people who went into rads ONLY for the money. They hate reading films, but love the cash. Of course, they'd be more miserable in another specialty.
Remember also, that many med students and physicians are of the opinion that rads is anti-social, boring, and depressing. They're all idiots, of course...but everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
Including me. I don't run around spouting off random crap. I lurk. I read alot. My post was simply MY 2 cents based on what I know about the history of rads. It's really quite simple:
Salaries were lower ---> Rads was less popular than it is now.
Salaries went up ---> Rads popularity skyrocketed.
If salaries decrease, then the popularity of radiology will likely decrease somewhat. Because people are idiots.
It's not rocket science. Sorry if I was unclear before. My bad.
This lowly premed will go away now...but not before I opine once more: Apache, you give your field a bad name by being so condescending to those who are interested in it. I do enjoy READING your posts though...go figure.
Never seen Grey's. Or any of the other crap medical shows. Except a bit of Scrubs now and again for laughs. I know the difference between TV writing and reality. Thanks.
No one in my family has ever done medicine. I am The First.
I am not young (at least not as young as you may think...I'm a non-trad), inexperienced or naive...I am also not your son. I am however a college student. 1/4 ain't that bad. Hope you read films better than this! (I'm sure you do...I'm just kidding
)Ok. Dude. Relax. Breathe.
A.) I agree with you. Seeing patients sucks. I was simply making the point that many people go into medicine thinking these types of thoughts, then proceed to go into patient care specialties...then the reality sets in and they become miserable jaded clinicians. I've seen it...I know.
B.) If you look at rads, say, 20 years ago...how many people were going into this badass specialty then? It will always be kinda popular for the reasons you mention, but it became REALLY, REALLY popular when the salaries skyrocketed. I know many people who went into rads ONLY for the money. They hate reading films, but love the cash. Of course, they'd be more miserable in another specialty.
Remember also, that many med students and physicians are of the opinion that rads is anti-social, boring, and depressing. They're all idiots, of course...but everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
Including me. I don't run around spouting off random crap. I lurk. I read alot. My post was simply MY 2 cents based on what I know about the history of rads. It's really quite simple:
Salaries were lower ---> Rads was less popular than it is now.
Salaries went up ---> Rads popularity skyrocketed.
If salaries decrease, then the popularity of radiology will likely decrease somewhat. Because people are idiots.
It's not rocket science. Sorry if I was unclear before. My bad.
This lowly premed will go away now...but not before I opine once more: Apache, you give your field a bad name by being so condescending to those who are interested in it. I do enjoy READING your posts though...go figure.
Attacking a college student for having an opinion? Degrading and belittiling them for not agreeing with you? Anyone else get the impression this person is very depressed? You can almost feel the anger through the computer screen.
You claim to be full of wealth, but you obviously feel worthless. Possibly, the reason why you hate people so much is because they can't stand you?
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Yeah...I tought this guy was a cool person, he's really sick.
Congratulations to Apache Indian for being the first bully with a driver's license...
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Thanks everyone. I wouldn't mind his comments so much, except for the fact that I don't think I'm completely talking out of my a$$. Any more rational opinions?
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Why start flames on apache who gives some of the best, unequivocally honest advice on here?
Did the premed deserve it? Probably not, but that's the risk he/she takes by posting on a rads forum before even being in the true game.
Did the premed deserve it? Probably not, but that's the risk he/she takes by posting on a rads forum before even being in the true game.
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You're welcome to read my post above and decide for yourself if I deserved it or not.
I'm not trying to flame anyone, I've read enough of Apache's posts to know that this is his usual style and although he is occasionally brutally honest and funny...he just wasn't this time. I feel like he didn't take time to think about what I said...
Either way...I also think it's crap that my comments aren't taken seriously just because I'm not "in the game." I am devoted to rads, and as an older student, am not representative of the typical premed...regardless of what my SDN profile says.
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