I think they had SLOE in mind rather than what the norm is for the specialty. Aways for the sake of aways is probs dead this year.
National/with other SOMs. Our hospital has already banned visiting students from coming here until at least October.
Apparently they're also talking about potential ERAS deadline delays and remote/zoom interviews with residencies. I think the assumption is that even if the first wave is done by late summer, it's probably going to re-emerge in flu season and flying medical students all over the nation while in the middle of clerkships would be a great way to seed it into all the hospitals throughout winter. That's me speculating though (about the rationale; these things ARE being actively discussed at the highest levels per our deans).
People gonna be out here licking doorknobs so theyll be allowed to do their aways lol
My school also hinted towards a national conversation about ERAS deadline extension.
I immediately also thought of gunners self exposing to get that IGG result. But its surprising that they arent going to allow the surgical subs the same privilege.
Its just weird that they would literally carve out an exception for the field where you would have the most exposure, and act like thats completely rational.
This is likely brought to you by the brilliant top 10 med school minds behind pass/fail step 1 though...
Y’all seen Tiger King? Nothing has to make sense to happen anymore.
...not saying no
Not sure how you thought rising m3s had it worse. I have been constantly saying this to myself.
That was almost always the case before.
Make them "essential" for all surgical specialties (including gen surg) and EM. Maybe throw in derm as well, but non primary care fields should be exempt imo. I'd be completely fine if they even put a limit on the number people could do. Allow us 2-3 and while not ideal it would still allow for people to get their foot in the door places and get required letters.
If they are going to cancel away rotations at 60% of places, they should cancel all away rotations. Just because of sheer luck you end up in a place that did not cancel aways and are able to complete the rotation doesn't mean that it is fair and equitable. That is a lottery and is random luck.
That was their point about not being alone in this - we can't have some hospitals open and others closed, the example they used was some cities being hotspots with aways cancelled on students at the last minute while other cities allowed their aways. Only way to ensure equal footing is a blanket national ban for the year.
100% of schools closed down for two weeks, most programs in my specialty closed down aways until august september. This is not just top tier schools this is almost every program. And you cant really have surgery rotations if there is no surgery going on.
I'm shocked by this tbh, would've thought they'd at least suspend the service while they sort it out like USMLE is doing with Step 2 CS
Agreed these people are toast. Research year time for them 110%.
Dude I'd put money up 5:1 aways are getting cancelled for you past summer. I know it feels like the most important thing in the world to us, but to the hospitals? They've got nothing to gain and a lot to risk by flying students in from all over the country who were just on the wards at other hospitals in flu season.
On the other hand, imagine how insanely angry you'd be if your cities had a COVID wave that cancelled your auditions, meanwhile classmates got to attend theirs elsewhere. At least everyone will be screwed together this way.
If ERAS timelines are the same, they are essentially indefinitely closed. You need three letters for my field. So doing aways in September october is counterproductive considering the application is already sent out.
That was my point—making those fields "essential" would mean the prohibition would be meaningless. It would also be hard to justify allowing EM rotators at a hospital but not ortho just because they need someone to fill out their SLOE.
