oversupply/job security

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Oh my bad, I didn't realize that when you started a long condescending explanation of the loan forgiveness program in response to something I said, and started it with "you" that you were actually referring to all the other yous out there that didn't include me... Anyhoos, sorry it hurt your feelings (and I sincerely mean that). I hope you do realize that I was merely trying to explain to you WHY people continue to apply to vet schools, regardless of whether it makes sense for them to or not. Like WTF said, these discussions have been going on and on and on for the past 4 years, with the idea that it would be nice to get the word out there for people considering vet school. But the overwhelming response tends to be "STFU you negative nancy, I'm going no matter what, and your doomsday speak is not helpful." I honestly don't care at all, and actually encourage you to bring up these topics, since continued discussion is a great thing. It's just annoying that just because you've recently stumbled upon this issue, you talk like it must be a novel issue for the forum. It's just not. And it's doubly annoying when you step on the soapbox as "a mature and worldly person, unlike the young 20-something year olds" etc... in delivering this message that everyone already knows. Obviously, there is wisdom to be gained as you live through life in the "real world" and that's very much appreciated, but I think it's the way you went about it that rubbed me the wrong way. But don't worry, it's not like the discussion of this issue is dead. I can assure you it will flare up the next time a newbie says something about how awesome it is that their state school is adding more seats, or that they're going to do fine because they'll specialize or because there's a need for rural/large animal vets, or because they're not going into clinical practice.

Like I said, my analysis was not directed at you. Just general info for people who need to make a decision soon. I personally did not have this information about a year ago, otherwise I would not have even considered to apply. I just wish someone had told me about this back then, before I wasted so much time and money. Also, I didn't mean to come off condescending towards 20 year olds. Every stage of life presents something different. I will be the first one to admit that in my 20s, I would do anything, at any cost, to get to my goal. Not anymore...I have to consider all consequences very very carefully and I think everyone does the same thing as they get older.Thats all I meant. If you want to call that worldly, that's fine. I call it practical.

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I personally did not have this information about a year ago, otherwise I would not have even considered to apply. I just wish someone had told me about this back then, before I wasted so much time and money.

You wish "someone" would have told you? Who is this "someone" that magically appears to advise people on the long term consequences of their life choices without the person going out and looking themselves? Here is an article literally from the NEW YORK F'ING TIMES about it, from almost a year ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/business/high-debt-and-falling-demand-trap-new-veterinarians.html

A google search would have found that. One single google search. People I know who don't even care about veterinary medicine for their own personal reasons linked me to the article because they knew I was in vet school. Like, my aunt who spends all day playing flash games on Facebook somehow came across this article.

Honestly...this has been a thing since before I applied to vet school and I am graduating this year. On this very forum, of which you have been a member for nearly a year now, over and over and over again this has been rehashed.
 
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You wish "someone" would have told you? Who is this "someone" that magically appears to advise people on the long term consequences of their life choices without the person going out and looking themselves? Here is an article literally from the NEW YORK F'ING TIMES about it, from almost a year ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/business/high-debt-and-falling-demand-trap-new-veterinarians.html

A google search would have found that. One single google search. People I know who don't even care about veterinary medicine for their own personal reasons linked me to the article because they knew I was in vet school. Like, my aunt who spends all day playing flash games on Facebook somehow came across this article.

Honestly...this has been a thing since before I applied to vet school and I am graduating this year. On this very forum, of which you have been a member for nearly a year now, over and over and over again this has been rehashed.


Yeah, I found that article ( and many many more ) too late... I mainly talked to vets that were established and they seemed OK. I knew it was not pretty but did not realize how bad it really was. A part of me may have been in denial too, thinking its just one person, or its the economy. Doesn't matter anymore, I turned down both admissions....heart wrenching, but had to be done.
 
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I'm definitely applying to jobs in places I wouldn't have considered otherwise. Fortunately, my student loan debt is fairly below average, I don't have a wife or kids, and I'm hoping I can deal with less-than-ideal jobs for a few years while I gain experience. At a current externship one of the specialists tried to convince me into going for a small animal rotating internship before starting GP work, but I just don't think it will improve my prospects that much a year down the road given most of the interviews I've been on didn't really consider the "internship-trained" worth the extra salary over a "new graduate". The only thing that will help me in the long run is experience. Here's hoping I can learn to enjoy Middle-of-Nowhere, USA for a few years.
 
So these saturation/oversupply threads not only exist in the pharmacy fourms but DVM, Dental, and DPT. interesting.
 
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So these saturation/oversupply threads not only exist in the pharmacy fourms but DVM, Dental, and DPT. interesting.
Yup.

Maybe we all should have become "real" doctors. :)
 
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Has anyone taken into account baby boomers retiring in the next decade?


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True, but just because people are retiring doesn't mean all of their jobs will open up with the current economic conditions. Places can and will leave the position unfilled because they want to save money if they are under enough economic stress. Plus the fact that new hires will obviously be added on at a much lower salary than the established old-timers who left the position behind.

So it doesn't really solve the salary/debt problem, even if it does make a dent in job availability.
 
well this is all horribly depressing...........
 
So these saturation/oversupply threads not only exist in the pharmacy fourms but DVM, Dental, and DPT. interesting.

I'm seriously considering giving up my spot in vet school after reading forums like these where many people agree finding a decent job is very hard and the pay is not enough to pay the loans. But I almost decided to go for pharmacy school until I heard about the saturation issue there as well. It seems like every field I look into has these same problems, in and out of the medical field. For all the vet students and vets on here, do you thinking switching fields is a good option, do you really regret your choice? As bad as the vet field is, most other fields I look into don't seem to be much better off as far as job stability and satisfaction go, though I could be wrong. I saw recent grads from other medical professions with over 100k in debt posting that they can't find jobs to even start to pay off their loans. The loan to salary rate is ridiculous for vet school but at least it seems like there are still jobs out there. Though again I could just be wrong. I don't claim to be even close to an expert at all here. It's just every field seems to have these same kind of doomsday forums. While I'm trying to decide what to do, I'm apparently choosing between one doomed field or another. Is the vet field really so much worse than other options?
 
I'm seriously considering giving up my spot in vet school after reading forums like these where many people agree finding a decent job is very hard and the pay is not enough to pay the loans. But I almost decided to go for pharmacy school until I heard about the saturation issue there as well. It seems like every field I look into has these same problems, in and out of the medical field. For all the vet students and vets on here, do you thinking switching fields is a good option, do you really regret your choice? As bad as the vet field is, most other fields I look into don't seem to be much better off as far as job stability and satisfaction go, though I could be wrong. I saw recent grads from other medical professions with over 100k in debt posting that they can't find jobs to even start to pay off their loans. The loan to salary rate is ridiculous for vet school but at least it seems like there are still jobs out there. Though again I could just be wrong. I don't claim to be even close to an expert at all here. It's just every field seems to have these same kind of doomsday forums. While I'm trying to decide what to do, I'm apparently choosing between one doomed field or another. Is the vet field really so much worse than other options?
Doom and gloom is all around these parts.
 
I'm seriously considering giving up my spot in vet school after reading forums like these where many people agree finding a decent job is very hard and the pay is not enough to pay the loans. But I almost decided to go for pharmacy school until I heard about the saturation issue there as well. It seems like every field I look into has these same problems, in and out of the medical field. For all the vet students and vets on here, do you thinking switching fields is a good option, do you really regret your choice? As bad as the vet field is, most other fields I look into don't seem to be much better off as far as job stability and satisfaction go, though I could be wrong. I saw recent grads from other medical professions with over 100k in debt posting that they can't find jobs to even start to pay off their loans. The loan to salary rate is ridiculous for vet school but at least it seems like there are still jobs out there. Though again I could just be wrong. I don't claim to be even close to an expert at all here. It's just every field seems to have these same kind of doomsday forums. While I'm trying to decide what to do, I'm apparently choosing between one doomed field or another. Is the vet field really so much worse than other options?

Have you seen this chart? Yay!!! We're totally number one! We're also the whitest profession in the nation, and apparently the most segregated in higher education too. We love being number one.

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The not being able to find jobs to begin paying loans also happens in vet med, just FYI. No one knows for sure how bad the situation is, and i have no idea how it compares to other health professions (though I haven't heard any MD's I know express that they're worried about not being employable at all, despite all the grumbling they have about compensation, "decent job," obamacare, etc...). Quite honestly I can't see myself having any interest in dentistry, optometry, pharmacy, etc... So I never had any interest in looking at how doomed they were either. I mean yeah, I can't think of a jackpot career where anyone's guaranteed job satisfaction, job outlook, and a good debt to income ratio (not sure such things exist). Really, what it comes down to is doing a soul search about what you want out of your career and personal life, and assessing if you have realistic expectations to reconcile the two... And to a certain extent taking a leap of faith after considering all the facts. No one can tell you whether or not you'll "win-out" in the end, or if another career choice is better for you.

I'm still happy with my choice a month after graduation (we'll see how long I feel this way), but I know more than a couple of people who already regret it. And I don't even know that many people...
 
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For any Canadians reading this thread, prospects appear to be a bit brighter here though debt is definitely still an issue. Of course like anything it depends on where you want to work and what exactly you want to do. It's kind of a simplistic overview, but this was published quite recently:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/repo...arian-what-will-my-salary-be/article19211114/
Ah yes, this article. This article almost had me throwing over chairs. Well not the article itself, more the response of clueless people TO the article. I saw the link for this article on a Facebook page, and all the comments were like:
"Don't know where they got the supporting data...every Vet I know lives in a million $ house or country estate, drives a Lexus, Lincoln or BMW, has a cottage and/or ski chalet...you cannot support the lifestyle of the average Vet on $60 - $80K. These practitioners are making megabucks! And why would any Vet be a 'staff' Vet...unless they are as lazy as a pet cat? Give your head a shake and look around...there's a Vet Clinic or Animal Hospital on every corner..."

I actually took that one from the actual article's comments from the bottom of the page because I can't be bothered to find the FB page again that had posted it, but the comments were all basically the same. It had my ears steaming for awhile. :boom:
 
Yeah, the comments made me boil! I did still think it was worth noting that things may be a bit brighter here.
 
Yeah, the comments made me boil! I did still think it was worth noting that things may be a bit brighter here.
Oh ya I absolutely agree that the grass is a little greener here. Canada is turning out far fewer vets per year in relation to job availability than the US is. Here, there is more competition to get a seat in school, but less competition for a job once you graduate. It's a trade off I guess.
 
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