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Congrats PodStar. Way to show these scummy PP owners how awful they are.
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That base is nice, but honestly I don't understand the 60 per encounter...that's a bonus of 1wRVU per patient essentially...so new patient ingrown above threshold...getting paid 60 bucks. Flatfoot recon.....60 bucks ...
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We’re hiring 7 new faculty by Sept 1, 2024.
Base (if Assistant Professor) $235,000 + $19,500 sign on bonus, + RVU bonus + call pay + great university benefits.
Qualifies for student loan forgiveness.
Must have hospital inpatient experience. Fellowship training preferred. Teaching experience +. Publications and research +.
Many great opportunities here.
Apply here: Assistant Professor/Clinical - Podiatrist in San Antonio
Base (if Assistant Professor) $235,000 + $19,500 sign on bonus, + RVU bonus + call pay + great university benefits.
Qualifies for student loan forgiveness.
Must have hospital inpatient experience. Fellowship training preferred. Teaching experience +. Publications and research +.
Many great opportunities here.
Apply here: Assistant Professor/Clinical - Podiatrist in San Antonio
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Podstar’s deal is strikingly similar to my first MD contract… except he/she got a higher base and bonus than me, more pre-employment dollars, and no call.
The UTSA jobs are pretty much in line with MD academic gigs.
Congrats all around, hope to see you folks get more offers like these.
The UTSA jobs are pretty much in line with MD academic gigs.
Congrats all around, hope to see you folks get more offers like these.
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Fantastic offer! Shame a large majority of the profession is going to be shut out due to not having "fellowship" training.
Seems weird since the ABPM is supposed to be anti-elitism in podiatry.
Podiatric Surgeon
- Location: Madison, Wisconsin
- Department: SCHOOL OF MEDICINE AND PUBLIC HEALTH/DEPARTMENT OF SURGERY
- Category: Instructional Category
- Employment Type: Faculty-Full Time
- Employment Type: Faculty-Part Time
- Employment Type: Onsite
- Application Period Opens: Nov 10 2023 at 4:30 PM CST
- Job Number: 289746-AS
Job Summary:
The Department of Surgery at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health is seeking an exceptional Podiatric Surgeon to join the faculty of a dynamic and growing section of Podiatry in the Division of Vascular surgery. Our section includes three podiatrists and provides comprehensive podiatry services for adults and children including limb salvage, Charcot reconstruction, plastic surgery, and elective foot surgery.The Department of Surgery consists of more than 160 faculty across eleven specialty divisions, performing more than 25,000 operations annually. The Department also trains more than 70 residents and fellows and is consistently ranked amongst the top surgery programs with extramural research funding.
Responsibilities:
The Podiatric Surgeon will be a faculty member within the division of Vascular Surgery. The elective surgical practice will be based at Unity Point Meriter Hospital. The selected candidate will be responsible for but not limited to:1) Work in multidisciplinary team to treat complex foot and ankle pathologies such as Charcot foot deformity.
2) Manage acute conditions of the foot and ankle including acute diabetic foot infection.
3) Perform elective and reconstructive foot surgery.
4) Teach medical students and residents.
5) Engage in collaborative research.
The primary site of this position will be Unity Point Meriter Hospital. UP-Meriter hospital runs 11 operating rooms daily including specialty services in Vascular, Orthopedic Surgery, Plastic Surgery, and several others.
The successful candidate will demonstrate qualifications and commitment to delivering high-quality patient care. In addition, competitive candidates will be motivated for clinical teaching of medical students, residents, and fellows.
Institutional Statement on Diversity:
Diversity is a source of strength, creativity, and innovation for UW-Madison. We value the contributions of each person and respect the profound ways their identity, culture, background, experience, status, abilities, and opinion enrich the university community. We commit ourselves to the pursuit of excellence in teaching, research, outreach, and diversity as inextricably linked goals.The University of Wisconsin-Madison fulfills its public mission by creating a welcoming and inclusive community for people from every background - people who as students, faculty, and staff serve Wisconsin and the world.
For more information on diversity and inclusion on campus, please visit: Diversity and Inclusion
Education:
RequiredTerminal Degree
Doctorate of Podiatric Medicine (DPM) or equivalent
Qualifications:
Doctorate of Podiatric Medicine (DPM) or equivalent with completion of residency training in Podiatric Medicine and Surgery is required.Candidate is required to currently be, or eligible to be, licensed in Wisconsin and Illinois as a Doctor of Podiatric Medicine (DPM). Board certification or Board Eligible in Podiatric Surgery by the American Board of Podiatric Medicine or American Board of Foot and Ankle Surgery is required. Must be eligible for enrollment as a billing provider and for all necessary hospital privileges. previously established by UW School of Medicine and Public Health Guidelines.
Fellowship training or experience in Diabetic Limb Salvage, experience in Ilizarov method and Charcot reconstruction is preferred.
Interest in engaging in research and education of students and residents is preferred.
For an appointment at Clinical Associate Professor or Clinical Professor rank on CT Track, candidates will meet criteria established by the department and as outlined in the School of Medicine and Public Health guidelines for promotion or appointment to Associate or Professor on the CT Track.
Work Type:
Full or Part Time: 80% - 100%It is anticipated this position requires work be performed in-person, onsite, at a designated campus work location.
Appointment Type, Duration:
Ongoing/RenewableAnticipated Begin Date:
JULY 01, 2024Salary:
NegotiableANNUAL (12 months)
Additional Information:
Located on an isthmus between two lakes, Madison is the capital city of the state of Wisconsin. Fresh off being named Livability's best U.S. city to live in for 2022, it is the second largest city in the state, with a city population of approximately 260,000 and regional population of over 1 million.Madison boasts beautiful scenery and plentiful year-round outdoor activities with its 260 parks, more than 200 miles of trails, 15,000 acres of lakes and 12 beaches. As the home of our state government and the flagship University of Wisconsin campus, it's also a hub of education and the arts. And as a city with a large community of young professionals, it offers vibrant restaurant, bar, and live music scenes.
Additionally, Madison is home to one of the strongest local food scenes in the country. From April to October, the Capitol Square hosts the largest producer-only farmers' market in the country. The city is also rich with cultural offerings in the arts. The Overture Center is a state-of-the-art performance center that hosts 700,000 educational and artistic experiences annually, including Broadway tours, and national and international touring artists.
The city has a dedicated athletics fan base which largely centers around the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Named the "Best College Sports Town in the Country" by Sports Illustrated, Badger fans support 23 programs, including perennial national contenders in football, women's volleyball, men's basketball and men's and women's hockey. Madison is also home to Forward Madison FC, the first professional soccer team in the city, as well as the Madison Mallards, a college wood-bat summer baseball league team.
Ranked among the fittest cities in American, Madison hosts a number of marquee endurance sports and specialty sporting events include Ironman, Madison Marathon, and many national and international championship competitions.
Madison's technology economy is growing rapidly, and the region is home to the headquarters of Epic Systems, Exact Sciences, American Girl (Mattel), Sub-Zero, and Lands' End, as well as many biotech, healthcare IT, and health systems startups.
Getting to Madison is easy. Dane County Regional airport is a 10-minute drive from campus and offers direct flights to 15 U.S. cities, including New York, Washington, D.C., Atlanta, Orlando, Dallas, Denver, Las Vegas and Phoenix. Milwaukee can be reached in just over an hour while Chicago is just two hours away, giving travelers access to two international airports and a regional airport that offer direct flights to over 250 destinations combined.
Madison has been voted the No. 1 Best Place to Live (Livability, 2022), No. 1 City for Best Work-Life Balance (SmartAsset, 2022), No. 2 Best State to Practice Medicine (WalletHub 2020), No. 1 City for Most Successful Women Per Capita (Forbes, 2019), No. 6 Fittest City in the U.S. (ACSM American Fitness Index, 2023), No. 1 Best Place to Retire (Money, 2020) and No. 4 Best City for STEM Jobs (WalletHub, 2022).
This position has been identified as a position of trust with access to vulnerable populations. The selected candidate will be required to pass an initial Caregiver Check to be eligible for employment under the Wisconsin Caregiver Law and then every four years.
The successful applicant will be responsible for ensuring eligibility for employment in the United States on or before the effective date of the appointment. University sponsorship is not available for this position.
Applicants for this position will be considered for the titles listed in this posting. The title is determined by the experience and qualifications of the finalist.
How to Apply:
To apply for this position, please click on the "Apply Now" button located at the top of this page.You will be asked to upload a current CV and a Cover Letter detailing each of the following:
1) Your interest in joining the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health as a Podiatric Surgeon
2) Your experience in Podiatric Surgery, including (if applicable) any experience with diabetic limb salvage, the Ilizarov method and/or Charcot Reconstructive surgery.
3) Any research interests.
The deadline for assuring full consideration is December 12, 2023, however, the position will remain open, and applications may be considered until the position is filled.
Contact:
Kj Ellis[email protected]
608-264-3004
Relay Access (WTRS): 7-1-1. See RELAY_SERVICE for further information.
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Clinical Professor(IC009) or Clinical Associate Professor(IC010) or Clinical Assistant Professor(IC011)Department(s):
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289746-ASThe University of Wisconsin-Madison is an Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Employer.
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We are hiring one more podiatrist at UW Madison. Practice is focused on limb salvage and general podiatry. Will do my best to answer any questions regarding the position.
Podiatric Surgeon
- Location: Madison, Wisconsin
- Department: SCHOOL OF MEDICINE AND PUBLIC HEALTH/DEPARTMENT OF SURGERY
- Category: Instructional Category
- Employment Type: Faculty-Full Time
- Employment Type: Faculty-Part Time
- Employment Type: Onsite
- Application Period Opens: Nov 10 2023 at 4:30 PM CST
- Job Number: 289746-AS
Job Summary:
The Department of Surgery at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health is seeking an exceptional Podiatric Surgeon to join the faculty of a dynamic and growing section of Podiatry in the Division of Vascular surgery. Our section includes three podiatrists and provides comprehensive podiatry services for adults and children including limb salvage, Charcot reconstruction, plastic surgery, and elective foot surgery.
The Department of Surgery consists of more than 160 faculty across eleven specialty divisions, performing more than 25,000 operations annually. The Department also trains more than 70 residents and fellows and is consistently ranked amongst the top surgery programs with extramural research funding.
Responsibilities:
The Podiatric Surgeon will be a faculty member within the division of Vascular Surgery. The elective surgical practice will be based at Unity Point Meriter Hospital. The selected candidate will be responsible for but not limited to:
1) Work in multidisciplinary team to treat complex foot and ankle pathologies such as Charcot foot deformity.
2) Manage acute conditions of the foot and ankle including acute diabetic foot infection.
3) Perform elective and reconstructive foot surgery.
4) Teach medical students and residents.
5) Engage in collaborative research.
The primary site of this position will be Unity Point Meriter Hospital. UP-Meriter hospital runs 11 operating rooms daily including specialty services in Vascular, Orthopedic Surgery, Plastic Surgery, and several others.
The successful candidate will demonstrate qualifications and commitment to delivering high-quality patient care. In addition, competitive candidates will be motivated for clinical teaching of medical students, residents, and fellows.
Institutional Statement on Diversity:
Diversity is a source of strength, creativity, and innovation for UW-Madison. We value the contributions of each person and respect the profound ways their identity, culture, background, experience, status, abilities, and opinion enrich the university community. We commit ourselves to the pursuit of excellence in teaching, research, outreach, and diversity as inextricably linked goals.
The University of Wisconsin-Madison fulfills its public mission by creating a welcoming and inclusive community for people from every background - people who as students, faculty, and staff serve Wisconsin and the world.
For more information on diversity and inclusion on campus, please visit: Diversity and Inclusion
Education:
Required
Terminal Degree
Doctorate of Podiatric Medicine (DPM) or equivalent
Qualifications:
Doctorate of Podiatric Medicine (DPM) or equivalent with completion of residency training in Podiatric Medicine and Surgery is required.
Candidate is required to currently be, or eligible to be, licensed in Wisconsin and Illinois as a Doctor of Podiatric Medicine (DPM). Board certification or Board Eligible in Podiatric Surgery by the American Board of Podiatric Medicine or American Board of Foot and Ankle Surgery is required. Must be eligible for enrollment as a billing provider and for all necessary hospital privileges. previously established by UW School of Medicine and Public Health Guidelines.
Fellowship training or experience in Diabetic Limb Salvage, experience in Ilizarov method and Charcot reconstruction is preferred.
Interest in engaging in research and education of students and residents is preferred.
For an appointment at Clinical Associate Professor or Clinical Professor rank on CT Track, candidates will meet criteria established by the department and as outlined in the School of Medicine and Public Health guidelines for promotion or appointment to Associate or Professor on the CT Track.
Work Type:
Full or Part Time: 80% - 100%
It is anticipated this position requires work be performed in-person, onsite, at a designated campus work location.
Appointment Type, Duration:
Ongoing/Renewable
Anticipated Begin Date:
JULY 01, 2024
Salary:
Negotiable
ANNUAL (12 months)
Additional Information:
Located on an isthmus between two lakes, Madison is the capital city of the state of Wisconsin. Fresh off being named Livability's best U.S. city to live in for 2022, it is the second largest city in the state, with a city population of approximately 260,000 and regional population of over 1 million.
Madison boasts beautiful scenery and plentiful year-round outdoor activities with its 260 parks, more than 200 miles of trails, 15,000 acres of lakes and 12 beaches. As the home of our state government and the flagship University of Wisconsin campus, it's also a hub of education and the arts. And as a city with a large community of young professionals, it offers vibrant restaurant, bar, and live music scenes.
Additionally, Madison is home to one of the strongest local food scenes in the country. From April to October, the Capitol Square hosts the largest producer-only farmers' market in the country. The city is also rich with cultural offerings in the arts. The Overture Center is a state-of-the-art performance center that hosts 700,000 educational and artistic experiences annually, including Broadway tours, and national and international touring artists.
The city has a dedicated athletics fan base which largely centers around the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Named the "Best College Sports Town in the Country" by Sports Illustrated, Badger fans support 23 programs, including perennial national contenders in football, women's volleyball, men's basketball and men's and women's hockey. Madison is also home to Forward Madison FC, the first professional soccer team in the city, as well as the Madison Mallards, a college wood-bat summer baseball league team.
Ranked among the fittest cities in American, Madison hosts a number of marquee endurance sports and specialty sporting events include Ironman, Madison Marathon, and many national and international championship competitions.
Madison's technology economy is growing rapidly, and the region is home to the headquarters of Epic Systems, Exact Sciences, American Girl (Mattel), Sub-Zero, and Lands' End, as well as many biotech, healthcare IT, and health systems startups.
Getting to Madison is easy. Dane County Regional airport is a 10-minute drive from campus and offers direct flights to 15 U.S. cities, including New York, Washington, D.C., Atlanta, Orlando, Dallas, Denver, Las Vegas and Phoenix. Milwaukee can be reached in just over an hour while Chicago is just two hours away, giving travelers access to two international airports and a regional airport that offer direct flights to over 250 destinations combined.
Madison has been voted the No. 1 Best Place to Live (Livability, 2022), No. 1 City for Best Work-Life Balance (SmartAsset, 2022), No. 2 Best State to Practice Medicine (WalletHub 2020), No. 1 City for Most Successful Women Per Capita (Forbes, 2019), No. 6 Fittest City in the U.S. (ACSM American Fitness Index, 2023), No. 1 Best Place to Retire (Money, 2020) and No. 4 Best City for STEM Jobs (WalletHub, 2022).
This position has been identified as a position of trust with access to vulnerable populations. The selected candidate will be required to pass an initial Caregiver Check to be eligible for employment under the Wisconsin Caregiver Law and then every four years.
The successful applicant will be responsible for ensuring eligibility for employment in the United States on or before the effective date of the appointment. University sponsorship is not available for this position.
Applicants for this position will be considered for the titles listed in this posting. The title is determined by the experience and qualifications of the finalist.
How to Apply:
To apply for this position, please click on the "Apply Now" button located at the top of this page.
You will be asked to upload a current CV and a Cover Letter detailing each of the following:
1) Your interest in joining the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health as a Podiatric Surgeon
2) Your experience in Podiatric Surgery, including (if applicable) any experience with diabetic limb salvage, the Ilizarov method and/or Charcot Reconstructive surgery.
3) Any research interests.
The deadline for assuring full consideration is December 12, 2023, however, the position will remain open, and applications may be considered until the position is filled.
Contact:
Kj Ellis
[email protected]
608-264-3004
Relay Access (WTRS): 7-1-1. See RELAY_SERVICE for further information.
Official Title:
Clinical Professor(IC009) or Clinical Associate Professor(IC010) or Clinical Assistant Professor(IC011)
Department(s):
A53-MEDICAL SCHOOL/SURGERY/VASCULAR SURGERY
Employment Class:
Academic Staff-Renewable
Job Number:
289746-AS
The University of Wisconsin-Madison is an Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Employer.
Qualified applicants will receive consideration for employment without regard to, including but not limited to, race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity, national origin, age, pregnancy, disability, or status as a protected veteran and other bases as defined by federal regulations and UW System policies. We promote excellence through diversity and encourage all qualified individuals to apply.
If you need to request an accommodation because of a disability, you can find information about how to make a request at the following website: https://employeedisabilities.wisc.edu/disability-accommodation-information-for-applicants/
Employment will require a criminal background check. It will also require you and your references to answer questions regarding sexual violence and sexual harassment.
The University of Wisconsin System will not reveal the identities of applicants who request confidentiality in writing, except that the identity of the successful candidate will be released. See Wis. Stat. sec. 19.36(7).
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Is it that or is there a movement that ABPM plus the right fellowship is equal or potentially even greater than ABFAS without a fellowship for diabetic foot and academic jobs? The better jobs in our profession need a way to filter and can be selective.
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There's 5 CPME approved wound care fellowship positions available at Wycoff Heights. Will those fellowships grads be considered in place of someone with lots of experience for the UTSA jobs?
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It's even funnier when a lot of fellowship ppl can't pass boards?
I would agree... but only for diabetic academic stuff... and it's still largely facility/system dependent. That is not exactly high demand overall; most top grads won't jump to give up trauma and elective just to make a few bucks (some will). It would take a whole lot of money for most DPMs to want to slop around in the pus week after year.
For any job, there is generally a default by any job poster / interviewer to require what they happen to have. I think that's nothing new. In this UT case above, requiring ABFAS can't be done (don't have), so requiring fellowship (do have... and facility sponsors one) or CAQs (self interest) or whatever else is the path of least resistance. In the end, hiring ppl can do whatever criteria or candidate is reasonable... or is sold to the sponsor facility to be reasonable.
A clever DPM can bamboozle some facilities to a certain degree to get a job or sway their hiring... but that party's usually over if other DPMs there are paying attention and speak up. Tale as old as time.
...I think, by and large, most pod jobs overall (ortho, MSG, normal hospital FTE, rural hospital, VA, IHS, PP, etc) still know what's what and will try for the best candidates they can draw. DPMs are typically the gatekeepers at most places. The vast majority of jobs will go something like:
ABFAS RRA cert with connections to the job >
ABFAS RRA cert with exp with good fellowship >
ABFAS RRA cert with exp >
ABFAS Foot cert with exp and good residency >
ABFAS qual no exp pgy3 from good residency and/or fellowship >
pgy3 elite residency or fellowship >
ABFAS Foot cert with ok residency >
pgy3 good residency >
ABPM with exp or fellowship or good residency >
ABPM without exp or fellowship >
pgy3 from ok residency >
pgy3 from low end residency >
fake boards or whatever else (no recognized BQ/BC).
...I know I sure did basically that when I was filtering apps. You have to go with what will be the most probable path to a competent person who will get good results (and then interview filters out any psycho personalities - hopefully). There are just far too many apps if you don't use some logical filters.
People know everyone who passes ABFAS could or did pass ABPM, but the converse is far from true. I think that is pretty common knowledge for DPMs in chief of pod, chief of surg, residency director, chief of staff, etc hiring positions ... or advisers to such. There are always exceptions.
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You can hate on this guy even though he does not care. You may even have a point at times. But he is not the problem.
Do you use dragon to type? Your output is incredible. I have felt this way for years.
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No kids. Lots of time.
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Us 1980s kids had this here pimp device... useful when not playing 8bit Nintendo:
Strongly recommended for any ppl with kids.
Strongly recommended for any ppl with kids.
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I criticize when I see someone make it and then immediately pull up the ladder behind them.
Especially when that person chants the "all podiatrists are equal" mantra with their own organization.
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This is not a job offer post but wanted to update that I successfully negotiated a salary and RVU dollar amount increase after one year of employment since I have been killing it for a year. I am averaging 1000-1100 RVUs per month.
Previous offer: 275K base and $53 per RVU with threshold of 5100 to bonus
New offer: 325K base and $56 per RVU with 5800 to bonus = gives me a 2-3% increase in total compensation for same amount of work with more guarantee money
The increase in base salary also increases my benefits which are based on it such as my annual retention bonus which is 5% of my base salary
Previous offer: 275K base and $53 per RVU with threshold of 5100 to bonus
New offer: 325K base and $56 per RVU with 5800 to bonus = gives me a 2-3% increase in total compensation for same amount of work with more guarantee money
The increase in base salary also increases my benefits which are based on it such as my annual retention bonus which is 5% of my base salary
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I would say he is. Sorry. Long history of that from him. Very long.
People hang onto old grudges... in this case, not being significant, not passing ABFAS, being rejected, etc.
There was a ton of attacks and conflicts with ABFAS (and everyone) under that ABPM "regime." The org was used as a pawn.
The board waking up and trying to impeach and then walking out quit en masse speaks for itself. He is probably still in ABPM prez office past expiration as nearly all others quit and bylaws were "adjusted" or "updated."
There was fellowship push and support for new schools - particularly UTRGV (to create a secure and lucrative job as well as notoriety for himself)... even though most DPMs know we really need better residencies and better quality admissions.
Nothing is black or white... it's all gray.
Still, you can connect the dots about the self-serving "altruism" somewhat.
We shall eventually see how the tale ends (my prediction says look at history?).
...One quick similar old grudge example I heard last night:
I'm in NMex... governor (on the way at the time, not in that seat yet) sued a hospital + docs for husband's aneurysm death. Lost.
This year, that governor made malpractice cap insanely high (top in USA - by a large margin) to punish docs and hospitals.
People hang onto stuff.
This goes on all over the world in many professions. Just sayin.
Trump likes podiatry due to the military exam history. Hundreds more examples.
It is what it is. Everyone's out for themselves and to settle old scores.
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Who said I’m anti-elite? Everyone should strive for their own “eliteness”.
If I’m going to hire someone at an academic medical center, as a professor to train residents, they better be elite. We owe the residents nothing less. I’m not looking for someone whose only responsibility is to be a doctor in a clinic and crank out patients. They must teach, perform research, publish, and be active on a national level. Those are my expectations at UT.
What ABPM believes is that elitism should not be the standard to get a job as a podiatrist in a hospital. ABPM believes that certifying boards should test at the standard of residency training and not some elusive other standard designed to reduce competition and gatekeep the OR, which harms the profession.
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@Feli, I again caution you to get your facts straight.
I was BQ by ABFAS and I resigned when I realized that I could not meet case diversity because I specialized in diabetic limb salvage. I resigned in writing (circa 2008) and ABFAS gave me a refund of my dues. And then I vowed to fix the problem. What you see as a grudge, I see as a call to action.
And many others who have had similar issues (and new issues) have now joined me to fix the problem. And we will.
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Thank you for posting this job Dr. Patel. I sent it to our residents and fellows.
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On the topic of business/employment, how about LCR makes his money his way while Feli makes his money his own way. I'm pretty sure each others' actions don't impact the other. Abundance mindset vs scarcity minset. LCR can sell CAQs and make claims about the ABPM and people will vote with their feet. Meanwhile Feli can feli and we all get rich to the best of each of our abilities.
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Abilities to make podiatry income from job or ownership and pay loans are significantly hampered with saturation.
I hope you never find that out firsthand in your locality.
The entire profession is - and has been - hamstrung with lower standards and making fellowships and new schools, instead of improving admissions and having high standards for existing residencies (as MDs and successful professions do). ROI for a DPM degree is now lower than ever with the high tuition, frivilous fellowships, and increasing supply of podiatrists coming out. Out in practice, DPMs will continue to undercut one another for jobs, patients, whatever simply to make ends meet.
@diabeticdoctor creating (well, more accurately, trying to promote) a small handful of decent-paying DPM job spots does very little when the same person is also, from the other side of his mouth, championing new schools which will produce many excess DPMs per year... and also advocating for longer training, which adds to grads' already staggering debt load.
The saturation of podiatry, led by those who benefit from more students/residents/fellows, is unbelievable when you look at any MD specialty's numbers and incomes in comparison. Don't forget the nonsense CAQ, which does nothing, was a deliberate attempt to cause conflict within the profession, caused ABPM infighting in addition to much frustration podiatry-wide, and simply raised dues and wasted monies of poor ABPM members who are already in tough shape having to rely on the alternate board for being cert. It's sad.... and it does, and will continue to, affect financial bottom line for podiatry - in addition to training, ROI, public perception.
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| Qualifications • Current state license as a Podiatrist in Michigan • DPM degree from an accredited school or university • Experience working with diverse patient populations, including children and the elderly • Strong critical thinking skills to accurately diagnose and develop appropriate treatment plans for patients with foot problems | Responsibilities • Review the medical history of patients to assess the condition of their feet, ankles, or lower legs • Perform thorough examinations, including X-rays and medical laboratory tests, to diagnose foot conditions • Prescribe and fit prosthetic appliances, such as shoe inserts, to improve patients' mobility • Specialize in podogeriatrics to effectively treat foot and lower leg problems in elderly individuals • Perform foot and ankle surgeries to remove bone spurs and address leg deformities • Prescribe medication for various feet conditions, such as plantar fasciitis, heel stress, and athlete's foot • Refer patients to other specialists, as needed, for comprehensive treatment plans • Apply advanced podiatric techniques, including whirlpool/paraffin baths, shortwave, and low voltage electrical treatment • Organize educational forums and programs to promote the importance of proper foot care • Supervise and provide guidance to podiatrist assistants and trainee podiatrists • Advise patients on recovery techniques and preventive measures for future leg problems • Monitor the progress of patients' recovery to determine adjustments in treatment plans • Utilize specialized instruments, such as X-ray machines, lasers, grinders, and visual gait-analysis equipment • Contribute expertise in sports medicine to address leg and feet injuries • Participate in educational conferences and seminars to stay updated with advancements in podiatry Benefits • Competitive annual compensation ranging from $220,000 to $280,000 • Comprehensive benefits package |
Join our team at a Podiatry Private Practice in Commerce, MI! As a Podiatrist, you will play a vital role in providing high quality patient care alongside our healthcare team. We are currently seeking a professional who is passionate about foot and ankle health, with the ability to diagnose and treat a wide range of conditions. Key Responsibilities Review the medical history of patients to assess the condition of their feet, ankles, or lower legs. Perform thorough examinations, including X-rays and medical laboratory tests, to diagnose foot conditions. Prescribe and fit prosthetic appliances, such as shoe inserts, to improve patients' mobility. Specialize in podogeriatrics to effectively treat foot and lower leg problems in elderly individuals. Perform foot and ankle surgeries to remove bone spurs and address leg deformities. Prescribe medication for various feet conditions, such as plantar fasciitis, heel stress, and athlete's foot. Refer patients to other specialists, as needed, for comprehensive treatment plans. Apply advanced podiatric techniques, including whirlpool/paraffin baths, shortwave, and low voltage electrical treatment. Organize educational forums and programs to promote the importance of proper foot care. Supervise and provide guidance to podiatrist assistants and trainee podiatrists. Advise patients on recovery techniques and preventive measures for future leg problems. Monitor the progress of patients' recovery to determine adjustments in treatment plans. Utilize specialized instruments, such as X-ray machines, lasers, grinders, and visual gait-analysis equipment. Contribute expertise in sports medicine to address leg and feet injuries. Participate in educational conferences and seminars to stay updated with advancements in podiatry. Requirements Current state license as a Podiatrist in Michigan. DPM degree from an accredited school or university. Experience working with diverse patient populations, including children and the elderly. Strong critical thinking skills to accurately diagnose and develop appropriate treatment plans for patients with foot problems. Benefits Competitive annual compensation ranging from $220,000 to $280,000. Comprehensive benefits package. New graduates are welcome to apply. Work Schedule This is a full-time position. Hours: Monday to Friday, 8:00 am to 5:00 pm. To be considered for this position, please send us your updated resume. Join our team and make a positive impact on the lives of our patients through exceptional podiatric care! Employment Type: Full-Time
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Ah yes, “advanced podiatric techniques” like whirlpool baths 😅
Salary is good……. i’m guessing there’s a catch though.
Salary is good……. i’m guessing there’s a catch though.
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Yeah, that one is a basic PP job (probably 100k + 30% bonus) in a PP group.... being blown up as a good job by a recruiter.
I just put it up as an example of how they can try to draw apps by listing a random salary, the salary of the highest paid associate ever, or "projected" income. Like a lot of job posts, what you see is not what you get.
Those types of postings are also why stats are inaccurate and why people mistakenly say 'there are plenty of good podiatry jobs' (inaccurate postings, huge range pay listed, double and triple posted, etc jobs). Some are recruiters, some are the job hire/owners themselves.
...The podiatry saturation in really bad in SE Mich, though... it's rough. Good training at a few Detroit residencies and adequate at over half of the Det residencies, but very competitive place to practice as a DPM... but that means tons of potential associates coming out and needing jobs every year. It's dog-eat-dog for even the best groups and owner docs. Southeast Michigan has to be one of the most saturated places beside the pod school cities. I feel it's actually a sign of things to come for podiatry overall, considering the new schools, increased grads, increased debt loads. I hope I am wrong.
There was one town north of Detroit (Clarkston, MI) where I'd considered to possibly do a solo office back in the day. I liked it, my ex at the time liked the town. There was only one full-time DPM there when I was living and working nearby, and he had poor rep and creepy history with female hospital/ASC staff and was not very well-trained. Population is maybe 35k-40k... hard to be exact with surround cities. Commercial space rent was high, but it seemed a fairly easy place to have good solo office with little competition and pretty decent payers. Well, just a decade later, there are now FOUR offices of DPMs there in that small Clarkston town (too small for even WalMart, HD, Target, shopping mall, etc), and they are all within 2-3miles of each other. All of those offices are solo single locations, full-time docs - not satellite offices. There are others with sattelite offices or in neighbor towns also. This is easy to verify on Google. That's insane. I'm so glad in hindsight that I dodged that cluster.
Commerce Township (where above ad is hiring for) is waaay on the far outskirts of Detroit, and it's still also super-saturated, as the whole metro is if you Google search podiatrists. You have even most top local program grads in Mich working basic PP jobs for low end pay if they wanted to stay there.
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That’s some seriously high volume, congrats on the new contract. Do they have a cap on how much you can make?
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That area is right around where Scholl, Kent and now Erie all converge. It's going to get way more saturated.Yeah, that one is a basic PP job (probably 100k + 30% bonus) in a PP group.... being blown up as a good job by a recruiter.
I just put it up as an example of how they can try to draw apps by listing a random salary, the salary of the highest paid associate ever, or "projected" income. Like a lot of job posts, what you see is not what you get.
Those types of postings are also why stats are inaccurate and why people mistakenly say 'there are plenty of good podiatry jobs' (inaccurate postings, huge range pay listed, double and triple posted, etc jobs). Some are recruiters, some are the job hire/owners themselves.
...The podiatry saturation in really bad in SE Mich, though... it's rough. Good training at a few Detroit residencies and adequate at over half of the Det residencies, but very competitive place to practice as a DPM... but that means tons of potential associates coming out and needing jobs every year. It's dog-eat-dog for even the best groups and owner docs. Southeast Michigan has to be one of the most saturated places beside the pod school cities. I feel it's actually a sign of things to come for podiatry overall, considering the new schools, increased grads, increased debt loads. I hope I am wrong.
There was one town north of Detroit (Clarkston, MI) where I'd considered to possibly do a solo office back in the day. I liked it, my ex at the time liked the town. There was only one full-time DPM there when I was living and working nearby, and he had poor rep and creepy history with female hospital/ASC staff and was not very well-trained. Population is maybe 35k-40k... hard to be exact with surround cities. Commercial space rent was high, but it seemed a fairly easy place to have good solo office with little competition and pretty decent payers. Well, just a decade later, there are now FOUR offices of DPMs there in that small Clarkston town (too small for even WalMart, HD, Target, shopping mall, etc), and they are all within 2-3miles of each other. All of those offices are solo single locations, full-time docs - not satellite offices. There are others with sattelite offices or in neighbor towns also. This is easy to verify on Google. That's insane. I'm so glad in hindsight that I dodged that cluster.
Commerce Township (where above ad is hiring for) is waaay on the far outskirts of Detroit, and it's still also super-saturated, as the whole metro is if you Google search podiatrists. You have even most top local program grads in Mich working basic PP jobs for low end pay if they wanted to stay there.
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Areas by schools are always saturated. Residency locations might be the largest driver of saturation. They get saturated to a greater extent than they should because of our weak job market. It is easier to take a typical associate job with an attending with a low or sometimes no base and avoid a move that is rarely covered. A significant other might already have a job also and residencies are typically not at remote locations and considered more desirable. This is not to say outside of these locations podiatry is not saturated. Podiatry is still pretty saturated most other locations. Solo practice is still a viable option in this profession in certain areas, but there are locations where the hospitals, large podiatry groups and ortho groups control the market and the hospitals even control the surrounding rural areas with employed podiatrists.
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Pacific Medical Centers is seeking a dynamic nurse practitioner with Podiatry experience to join its First Hill Clinic in Seattle, Washington. Work with a comprehensive, multidisciplinary team while striving to provide exceptional care to a diverse patient population. The ideal candidate has experience in both inpatient and outpatient settings and is passionate about working with all patients to achieve the best results. Enjoy outstanding quality of life in the beautiful and welcoming city of Seattle.- Full-time
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Cascade Orthopedics & Sports Medicine Center is located in Oregon in the Columbia River Gorge scenic area with clinic locations in Hood River and The Dalles, and an ASC located in The Dalles. We are a well established orthopedic and podiatry clinic that is looking for a full-time podiatrist for all aspects of general podiatry, with advanced training in surgery, trauma and wound care preferred but not required. The practice provides in-house digital x-rays, ultrasound, orthotic scanning and Orthopedic/Podiatry specific EMR. Competitive base salary with incentive pay and full benefits including CME reimbursement, full medical and dental coverage, 401K retirement plan, and paid time off.
This one is constantly posted. He was hiring when I graduated residency years ago. About every 6-12 months the job pops back up.
I dont know anything about it. Could be great. But seems fishy how many times its cycled through.
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I have seen the add posted before also. I also know nothing about the job. It appears it is an associate job and past podiatrists from there were well trained (sometimes fellowship trained) got ABFAS board certified and moved on for even better jobs.
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I know this conflicts with the narrative provided by some on these forums, but hey … read for yourself.
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I don't think the salary survey is inaccurate and it does not conflict with my narrative.
Now can everyone get a job tomorrow making the average salary? No.
There are many making much more than the average and a lot making much less with mediocre to poor benefits. It averages out to a salary somewhere in that range listed.
Bottom line is no one wants to be below average in this profession or remain an associate. In other professions it is often OK to be below average or an associate and you will still be recruited.
I have always admitted many do well eventually or even very well. Many do enjoy the profession. The first few years out can be an uphill climb for many. There is still a risk on ROI with podiatry on an individual basis compared to most professions that require a similar length and cost of education.
One should know that the average salary or more is attainable for many, but certainly not guaranteed. Being open geographically or being open to opening a solo practice also helps with podiatry. It can be a good career choice for the right person.
There are job offers for new grads making above the listed average salary with great benefits and also making below 100K with poor benefits....that people take. Again this does not mean podiatry can not workout for most eventually, but future students should be aware of the pros/cons of any profession they are considering. I am glad to see compensation has increased in this survey.
Now can everyone get a job tomorrow making the average salary? No.
There are many making much more than the average and a lot making much less with mediocre to poor benefits. It averages out to a salary somewhere in that range listed.
Bottom line is no one wants to be below average in this profession or remain an associate. In other professions it is often OK to be below average or an associate and you will still be recruited.
I have always admitted many do well eventually or even very well. Many do enjoy the profession. The first few years out can be an uphill climb for many. There is still a risk on ROI with podiatry on an individual basis compared to most professions that require a similar length and cost of education.
One should know that the average salary or more is attainable for many, but certainly not guaranteed. Being open geographically or being open to opening a solo practice also helps with podiatry. It can be a good career choice for the right person.
There are job offers for new grads making above the listed average salary with great benefits and also making below 100K with poor benefits....that people take. Again this does not mean podiatry can not workout for most eventually, but future students should be aware of the pros/cons of any profession they are considering. I am glad to see compensation has increased in this survey.
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225k TOTAL compensation annually is not very good for a doctor and is 2-3x below almost every MD/DO Specialty and even lower than majority of medicine based jobs.
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No kidding.
When there are 25+ medical doctor specialties making more then $225k, how is podiatry #15 or whatever? (and this source is a bit more credible than PM News or Podiatry Mgmt, lol):
Medscape Physician Compensation Report 2023: Your Income vs Your Peers'
Which specialties earn the most, and which physicians work the longest hours? Our 2023 Physician Compensation Report tells what's happening with doctors' income.
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...besides any type of MDs (even PCP and FP), there are many other industry professinals like CEOs, pilots, entrepreneurs, comp sci, nurse NP or CRNA, and many others that make much better income and definitely better ROI on tuition than podiatry.
The problem with podiatry is, and has been, the variation in training and the saturation. The average income is probably fine. A $500k earner with multiple PP offices or industry monies will offset many $125k and $150k podiatry associates when you do averages. The median incomes for podiatry are what is horrendous for the tuition. The job choice locations are limited, and that's the worst part. The supply of DPMs is ever-growing (despite not having the quality training spots to support it), and it costs more and more every year. There are no perfect jobs, but to say podiatry is great - and quote PM friggin News to "prove" it - is comical.
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It took a quick google search to find the original article PM News was referencing, because why would Barry Block do any actual journalism?
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The #1 ranked job was being a CEO, as though you just graduate high school and decide that's what you're going to be when you grow up. Also optometrist made the list, hilariously.
This is based off of survey data in salary.com, I have no idea what methodology they're using to get these numbers. I assume they are deriving their survey data from job applicants as well as employers' offers. I suspect employed positions were over-represented in the sample. Were private practice docs included in the sample?
The question no one has an answer to is
1) What's the podiatry wage curve look like? How many years do you have to spend eating Ramen noodles before you make it?
2) What's the wage distribution look like? How many outliers are there at the high end? How many people are stuck at the bottom?
40 Highest Paying Jobs In 2023: Where Passion Meets Money
Discover the professional landscape with our comprehensive guide to the 40 highest paying jobs in 2023, backed by data from Salary.com, Talent.com and US News & World Report.
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The #1 ranked job was being a CEO, as though you just graduate high school and decide that's what you're going to be when you grow up. Also optometrist made the list, hilariously.
This is based off of survey data in salary.com, I have no idea what methodology they're using to get these numbers. I assume they are deriving their survey data from job applicants as well as employers' offers. I suspect employed positions were over-represented in the sample. Were private practice docs included in the sample?
The question no one has an answer to is
1) What's the podiatry wage curve look like? How many years do you have to spend eating Ramen noodles before you make it?
2) What's the wage distribution look like? How many outliers are there at the high end? How many people are stuck at the bottom?
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As a podiatrist in an academic setting, why are you referencing a non-impact score publication?
$300k tuition >>>> $225k salary. Still a bad ROI
Exactly. Why are we comparing ourselves to MD/DO ? #Podiatryproud
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Why should we emulate MD/DO? Why should our training mirror theirs? Why should we read their textbooks and journals?
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Do we take the MCAT? Have similar college class requirements?
Is our school 4 years in length?
Are our residencies at least 3 years in length?
I get that MD/DO are more competitive/selective, but if podiatry does not pay close to PCPs in total compensation....not just on average, but for most, then the ROI might not be desirable.
Not everything in life is about ROI in a financial sense. I believe podiatry has a great ROI in a spiritual sense, giving back to your fellow humans, and providing a needed service. I am almost done with my student loans after many years in practice, and I would say I am mildly comfortable, definitely not rich. My ROI is the satisfaction/gratitude I receive from my patients daily as they leave my office with a smile on their face. I do not believe in financial ROI.
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Our salaries are just so inconsistent. If I had to break down my colleagues contracts it'll go something like this.
25% <100k
50% 100-130k
20% 130-200k
5% 200k plus (get ready to have date night at the gas station)
But that 5% above 200k is what we all talk about achieving. These are salaries of recent graduates. I hope that second contracts are much better.
25% <100k
50% 100-130k
20% 130-200k
5% 200k plus (get ready to have date night at the gas station)
But that 5% above 200k is what we all talk about achieving. These are salaries of recent graduates. I hope that second contracts are much better.
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I hate to break the narrative on SDN, but let's pick the top 15 pods I talk to and I would put 100% above 275k. But smart people hang out with and talk to smart people .....so there is that
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Just gonna throw this out there - but if the average salary is over 200k how come hundreds of applications spill in for any offer over 175 and why is a VA job so coveted.
What we have is a large portion of podiatrists who established ownership and their jobs back when reimbursement was better, rules were looser, and tuition was cheaper and are reaping the benefits to tip the average.
Maybe 25% of new grads get a decent job over 150k and that is a generous percent. It’s probably lower.
And for those podiatrists who do well, I’d bet if we broke down the amount of work they do per year relative to MD/DO colleagues it’s likely much higher. You can see 50 patients a day as a podiatrist, take call, and do frustrating surgeries and make 250k but if you’re a sports med doc seeing 50 patients a day you’re making over twice that. I know pods who make 300-400k plus a year but they’re also working 90-100 hour weeks. Which other speciality is doing that for so little comparatively
What we have is a large portion of podiatrists who established ownership and their jobs back when reimbursement was better, rules were looser, and tuition was cheaper and are reaping the benefits to tip the average.
Maybe 25% of new grads get a decent job over 150k and that is a generous percent. It’s probably lower.
And for those podiatrists who do well, I’d bet if we broke down the amount of work they do per year relative to MD/DO colleagues it’s likely much higher. You can see 50 patients a day as a podiatrist, take call, and do frustrating surgeries and make 250k but if you’re a sports med doc seeing 50 patients a day you’re making over twice that. I know pods who make 300-400k plus a year but they’re also working 90-100 hour weeks. Which other speciality is doing that for so little comparatively
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You are right, but you are falling for the trick that average is the wrong stat. We have to realize the majority of DPMs are under 200k - vast vast vast majority of younger ones. For for every PP owner making $500k+ or hospital productive/senior DPM making $350k+, there are a ton of 125-175k associates. That is why any job even 200k in podiatry is seen as fairly amazing - esp if it's not in the middle of nowhere (IHS, rural, frozen areas).
500k owner DPM
+ 150k associate
+ 150k associate
+ 150k associate
+ 150k associate
+ 175k associate (one of them actually hits bonus)
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= average 225k (even though only one DPM actually earned that much) ...
= median and mode 150k (most common actual DPM landing spot)
The stat to look at in terms of typical outcomes (job pay in this case) is median.
People who want to have a high number use average/mean. A few high salaries or sales (of an item, a biz, stock shares, whatever) will inflate average. That is pretty much how stock markets - and most markets - work... people chase recent averages.
Median is the most telling (where most DPM actually cluster for income).
Me, my girlfirend, my two buddies, LeBron, and AD scored average 7.2 points for the Lakers last night. The median - and mode - is 0... since only Bron (17pts) and Brow (26pts) actually score anything for LA.
The study posted above (from PM news) is so dumb it's not worth evaluating, though. It shows less than 10% of podiatrists make under 150k, and we all know there are a whole lot who do (associates, semi retired, house call, some hospital employed, etc).
...truthfully, I'm with airbud: 150k-180k in podiatry should be super easy... large DPM groups or supergroups. Those are plentiful. They are the new version of associate mills... podiatry's version of retail pharma Walgreens, CVS, Walmarts. You will work hard, be pressured to bill and refer in their network, and you will have zero chance at partner or say in staff or how the office runs. Those jobs are common and not very hard to get, though (tell them you love the area and have no desire to ever be owner/manager). They will get more and more common as supergroups continue to buy out or take the place of retired solo or small group pods.
The better DPM jobs are obviously the hospital jobs (hard to find and usually hard work, but better pay than associate) and the owner setups (your choice of more $ or more time off or both, depending on how you structure it). Those are not the majority of DPMs overall, though... yet they will still heeeeavily tilt the average - not the median. That said, while those are not the overall majority, those are the majority of the DPMs that I know and talk to regularly: hospital FTEs, PP owners, or sometimes just highly productive MSG or pod associates. Good podiatry income is possible. It happens. A good amount. Even the VA and rural hospital people I know are usually still making low to mid 200s.
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Also, 95% of these people live outside of HCOL areas and states. And I am going to increase.it to the 25/25 pods I talk to are above 275k. 20 plus are hospital employed.
None of them are associates. Only a handful have ever been and they all the. Started their own thing.
I don't know a single person working for a PE group. I don't know a single person working for a VA. I don't know a single person working as an associate.
Maybe I need to get out more and meet more people.
None of them are associates. Only a handful have ever been and they all the. Started their own thing.
I don't know a single person working for a PE group. I don't know a single person working for a VA. I don't know a single person working as an associate.
Maybe I need to get out more and meet more people.
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Aren’t you like the only person within a 100 mile radius with a scalpel
