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Here it is. Comlex level 1.
Anyone take the exam in February?
Anyone take the exam in February?
Nah, if I endured it, my successors have to endure it as well.
JK. I agree, we need to do something about it. Not so much about COMLEX itself but about the fact that we have to take two exams. This is ridiculous. How the hell is one supposed to study and stay focused for one exam 3 days after taking the other one? I'm still suffering the fatigue of USMLE, much less the one from COMLEX. I seriously need a vacation. Too bad, my surgical rotation starts on Monday.
I'm in almost the same boat. USMLE was demoralizing then six days off, I take COMLEX tomorrow, move next week, start surgery the week after. Would love a vacation. Or even just a day to sleep in and then watch Netflix.
I thought I was the only one feeling like this! I have COMLEX in a few days and I just can't stop thinking about USMLE. How are you coping with that!?
Took COMLEX today as well. I am basically speechless. I am glad I am not the only one that feels this way. I was thinking during the exam that like I am vastly vastly vastly under prepared for this. Studying for USMLE did not equate to studying for this IMO. So much minutiae.
In addition to what was said above, my test had typos that were extremely frustrating. Test environment was kinda annoying and had an unfortunate night of poor sleep. I had to bypass breaks because of time crunch (I am historically a slow test taker).
I walked out of COMLEX feeling probably worse than I did walking out of USMLE (did not think that was possible). Maybe it's because I had relatively better expectations for COMLEX (I was foolishly thinking it would be easier than USMLE and I would probably preform better having had the USMLE experience, etc).
I wonder if they will actually curve. Does anyone know if they will?
Like that was absolutely ridiculous. "Easy" questions were hard because I either didn't know it or because the answer choices available were not good. Such long stems, videos, pointless details, micro heavy (and IMO not that First Aid or even Sketchy Friendly), i don't even know anymore.
Curve would help, wondering how many questions out of 400 needed to pass.
After interviewing over 100 students who just took COMLEX, here is what you should cram for if you are in struggle mode:
1. Reportable Diseases. My best friend in school has a YouTube channel where they come up with these dirty mnemonics and honestly, I would have gotten at least 10 questions wrong without his material. It's NSFW but here ya go:
2. Inheritance Pattern of diseases. Know this cold.
3. Neurology. Mine felt like a Neuro test with OMM and random questions scattered in
4. DO NOT know Biostats. Maybe it was just me, but I had only 2 "Biostats" questions. Felt disappointed b/c they're free points
5. DO NOT stress about Biochem. It's an absolute joke on COMLEX. They're like "which enzyme good?"
EDIT: I wanted to add a more complete list, because I originally posted this from school so let's really get in depth here--
6. Hardly any Cardiology. One question where you had to listen to a heart sound.
7. Lots of bugs & drugs -- if you did Sketchy and the drugs in FA, you're golden.
8. Fair amount of Endo and Repro. I'd say the overall pecking order was Neuro > OMM > Bugs/Drugs >> MSK/Anatomy > Endo/Repro > All Else
Bottom Line--
COMLEX is a test that has 2 types of questions, (1) ridiculously easy where you don't even have to think about it and just pick the correct answer and (2) so vague and poorly written [from the perspective of an illiterate 3rd grader] that your only shot at getting it right is based on a total guess. There are enough easy questions to pass with ease, but I suspect the variance is very wide (moreso than USMLE). Honestly, the difference between an average and incredible score could be on your ability to guess on the vague BS questions. I've said it before and I'll say it again, everybody should take USMLE because you could conceivably do poorly on COMLEX, not because you don't know the content, but because you're unable to extract information from the awful question stems.
I only took COMSAE E because it was administered by my school. It didn't resemble my real exam at all. My friends who took the other available COMSAE forms felt that taking these tests didn't help them prepare for the test. They regretted wasting money on them.Was there any benefit to COMSAE's at all? I'm thinking of taking one but ugh...I don't know if that's the best way I can spend my time
You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.
In response to your "everyone should take USMLE," what about someone who has struggled a lot during M1 and M2 and isn't interested in anything competitive? Up until now I was planning on only taking COMLEX, which will be next year for me. Halfway during 2nd year I got moved to a 5 year plan after failing 1 class, and I failed 1 class during 1st year as well. I figured I was at risk enough for failure that I would only want to risk failing 1 board exam instead of 2. I get that there are a lot of advantages if you pass USMLE, but I just don't know if it's worth the downsides if I don't.
I suppose I could take an NBME sometime next spring and see if I'm a a position where I feel good about passing.
I think your scenario is definitely a possible indication for NOT taking USMLE. I'd say based on my experience that your performance in class can be utterly unrelated to your Step 1 performance.
I'd start by asking yourself: "what is the reason that I struggled in class?" If the answer to that question is you not trying hard enough, that's reversible. If the answer is you not understanding the content that was taught to you, that's reversible. I think that if you have the "basics," anybody can sit down and crank out UWorld and FA and teach themselves lapses in content. For example, I am a student @ PCOM and my school omitted HUGE amounts of content fair game for Step 1, so I would teach myself via UWorld explanations and solidify those questions by going over the abbreviated FA diagrams, etc.
If you think you have it in you to work at 200% for a few months and really make your mark on USMLE, it will go a very long way for you in the match. See the Osteopathic school (the name escapes me atm) that FORCES their students to take USMLE -- their average is > than every other DO school out there because the students go into it confidently and prepared. COMBANK and the entire Osteopathic prep tools simply do not teach you enough information to succeed. To illustrate this point, let's say that I had chosen not to take USMLE; I still would have used UWorld b/c COMBANK is garbage. Sorry if I sound biased.
Here are match stats from '14 that illustrate my point. PM&R with a considerably bad USMLE is still attainable just having USMLE at all. Conversely, only having a COMLEX makes it harder for PD's to compare you to known USMLE tiers, and thus, surveyed PD's have said that they prefer "bad" USMLE >> "average" COMLEX
Last point about the importance of possible taking USMLE: the director of academics @ PCOM has repeatedly (this is recently, mind you) told us that we should all take USMLE because program directors know that it is a better predictor of our medical knowledge. As PD's retire (the old school DO's who actually take COMLEX seriously) and new PD's rise up, combined with the upcoming merger, it's really only a matter of time before the "20% OMM questions" test gets phased out.
Summary:
-Everybody should take USMLE, unless:
- You have given your 200% effort and still are doing poorly on NBMEs, UWorld, or routinely fail classes
- You are dead set on matching to a DO-only residency and sincerely want to jump through hoops being accountable for OMT
And who is this director of academics telling everyone to take the USMLE? Because I have yet to hear that on that campus.
ETA: They actually give a talk at PCOM where a rep from NBOME/COMLEX comes in and basically tries to convince people to NOT take the USMLE. Yep, it happened this year. Not saying I agree with it, but this school is not as progressive as you're portraying it to be.
Dr. Lanutti. During I2C. Ask the M3's if you need confirmation.
Yep. Many non-clinical staff at PCOM don't know the true COMLEX vs. USMLE paradigm, and are thus bad at giving proper advice We are not progressive at all. Students remain divided on the debate
The gentleman who came to talk about the COMLEX knows literally nothing of graduate medical education, unfortunately. His talk was littered with open ended assumptions about us that were unbelievably misguided
Took COMLEX today. Feel like I had a different exam than you all-- questions were waaaaay shorter than USMLE, and overall it was a manageable test. (My school's OPP exams are hard though-- so maybe that actually helped out in the long run?)
Too many beers for a detailed write-up.
This is incredibly helpful, thanks for the write-upSo, I took COMLEX today (Thursday, June 16th) and I figured I'd talk about my experience and vent a little (partially at the ridiculousness of this thread and partially at the exam)
First, I took Step 1 last Thursday, which I thought was ridiculously hard and maybe that has skewed my perspective on Level 1. But I've read on this thread that the stems were ridiculously and unreasonably long. Now, I don't know if I got lucky, but the stems were not long, FAR FROM IT. 90% were between 5-7 lines, 5% were shorter and 5% were longer. This isn't counting labs, but most of the labs I had were pertinent, there was maybe one question where I thought they gave way too many labs. If you feel that 5-7 lines are too long then that's a problem. The few that were massive were all exclusively OPP questions with a list of structural findings (and all you have to do for that is read the question at the end and look for the pertinent information, honestly, those were some of my quickest questions.)
Second, it is true that there is a running clock of 4 hours for each set of 4 blocks. This is definitely worrying and annoying, but I really didn't have any problem with timing. I got out of the exam with 40 minutes left to spare and I ended up taking both breaks.
Third, the media isn't that bad. It's not that confusing or that difficult, if you were taught OPP in a competent manner you should honestly be fine. All my videos were examples of special tests. Same goes for pictures showing treatments, I only had one question for that and it was possibly my easiest question of the entire test. Maybe it was the way OPP was taught at my school, but the OPP in general was pretty good. In the week between Step 1 and Level 1, I read most of Savarese and basically focused on memorizing Viscerosomatics and Chapmans. I barely looked at Treatments or DX because I felt like our school hammered those into us during the last two years and the questions on COMLEX were no where near as difficult as the questions I had to deal with during school. There were 3 or 4 WTF questions but that is to be expected. KNOW YOUR VISCEROSOMATICS, can't stress this enough, they are basically free points - I had maybe 15-20 questions that were straight up, what is the viscerosomatics for so and so. I had a few chapmans's but they were all descriptions, no pictures.
Now onto topics tested, this is where it goes against the grain. I had plenty of OB/Repro, but barely any Neuro I felt, or maybe the Neuro to me wasn't that difficult. My test was FILLED with hella Cardio/Pulm Phys and Path and basic science stuff like electrolyte imbalances (which I though was BS - I had 10 questions on that I felt like). Just a warning, I had like 7 EKG's to read, and 4 of them I had no freaking clue as to what I was looking at (and I consistently tested well in Cardio on Qbanks and practice tests)
For whoever said that Sketchy isn't helpful, I don't know WTF you're talking about. The questions they asked were straight off of Sketchy. If you pay attention to both Micro and Pharm videos, you're gonna be just fine. For example, I had 5 meningitis questions and all I needed to know was which meningitis bug affected a specific demographic.
Now the one big problem I have with COMLEX is the vague-ness that is found within many of the questions, especially the physiology and pathology questions. I felt like I had to make assumptions many of the times just to figure out the DX so I could then move on to answer the question. This is unlike Step 1, that test was difficult not because it was vague, but because I was seeing a collection of symptoms together for the first time. An example from today's exam - 35 year old female from Oregon comes to you because of osteopenia. What is the underlying cause? That was it and then the answers were all pathophys mechanisms of osteopenia. Do they want me to make assumptions about her diet, PMH, meds, weather, activity?? That's the kind of bull**** you can expect to see on COMLEX regularly and that can be EXTREMELY frustrating. I just went with my gut and what was most common for all those kind of question.
In the end, I'm pretty sure I passed COMLEX but my score could range easily from mid 400's all the may to high 600's depending on what COMLEX feels is relevant and "more correct", which is stupid, but hey, it's over. I think if you were able to pass all your classes in the first two years of school, you should be able to take on the COMLEX and pass.
So, I took COMLEX today (Thursday, June 16th) and I figured I'd talk about my experience and vent a little (partially at the ridiculousness of this thread and partially at the exam)
First, I took Step 1 last Thursday, which I thought was ridiculously hard and maybe that has skewed my perspective on Level 1. But I've read on this thread that the stems were ridiculously and unreasonably long. Now, I don't know if I got lucky, but the stems were not long, FAR FROM IT. 90% were between 5-7 lines, 5% were shorter and 5% were longer. This isn't counting labs, but most of the labs I had were pertinent, there was maybe one question where I thought they gave way too many labs. If you feel that 5-7 lines are too long then that's a problem. The few that were massive were all exclusively OPP questions with a list of structural findings (and all you have to do for that is read the question at the end and look for the pertinent information, honestly, those were some of my quickest questions.)
Second, it is true that there is a running clock of 4 hours for each set of 4 blocks. This is definitely worrying and annoying, but I really didn't have any problem with timing. I got out of the exam with 40 minutes left to spare and I ended up taking both breaks.
Third, the media isn't that bad. It's not that confusing or that difficult, if you were taught OPP in a competent manner you should honestly be fine. All my videos were examples of special tests. Same goes for pictures showing treatments, I only had one question for that and it was possibly my easiest question of the entire test. Maybe it was the way OPP was taught at my school, but the OPP in general was pretty good. In the week between Step 1 and Level 1, I read most of Savarese and basically focused on memorizing Viscerosomatics and Chapmans. I barely looked at Treatments or DX because I felt like our school hammered those into us during the last two years and the questions on COMLEX were no where near as difficult as the questions I had to deal with during school. There were 3 or 4 WTF questions but that is to be expected. KNOW YOUR VISCEROSOMATICS, can't stress this enough, they are basically free points - I had maybe 15-20 questions that were straight up, what is the viscerosomatics for so and so. I had a few chapmans's but they were all descriptions, no pictures.
Now onto topics tested, this is where it goes against the grain. I had plenty of OB/Repro, but barely any Neuro I felt, or maybe the Neuro to me wasn't that difficult. My test was FILLED with hella Cardio/Pulm Phys and Path and basic science stuff like electrolyte imbalances (which I though was BS - I had 10 questions on that I felt like). Just a warning, I had like 7 EKG's to read, and 4 of them I had no freaking clue as to what I was looking at (and I consistently tested well in Cardio on Qbanks and practice tests)
For whoever said that Sketchy isn't helpful, I don't know WTF you're talking about. The questions they asked were straight off of Sketchy. If you pay attention to both Micro and Pharm videos, you're gonna be just fine. For example, I had 5 meningitis questions and all I needed to know was which meningitis bug affected a specific demographic.
Now the one big problem I have with COMLEX is the vague-ness that is found within many of the questions, especially the physiology and pathology questions. I felt like I had to make assumptions many of the times just to figure out the DX so I could then move on to answer the question. This is unlike Step 1, that test was difficult not because it was vague, but because I was seeing a collection of symptoms together for the first time. An example from today's exam - 35 year old female from Oregon comes to you because of osteopenia. What is the underlying cause? That was it and then the answers were all pathophys mechanisms of osteopenia. Do they want me to make assumptions about her diet, PMH, meds, weather, activity?? That's the kind of bull**** you can expect to see on COMLEX regularly and that can be EXTREMELY frustrating. I just went with my gut and what was most common for all those kind of question.
In the end, I'm pretty sure I passed COMLEX but my score could range easily from mid 400's all the may to high 600's depending on what COMLEX feels is relevant and "more correct", which is stupid, but hey, it's over. I think if you were able to pass all your classes in the first two years of school, you should be able to take on the COMLEX and pass.
Congrats on being done! Did you find the questions to be similar to COMBANK?
How do you know what raw % correct is passing for this exam?
I'm just hoping that they curve these tests accordingly. My version was very challenging in every aspect. The stems were long, the qs were obscured, and timing wasn't enough.It seems there are two formats going around. One is "WTF is this ****" and the other is "This is similar to COMBANK and what I expected".
I hope I get the latter one!
Kinda similar to my experience. The first half of the test I felt I was going to get 600+. Then during the second half I felt I'd be lucky to just pass.Took the COMLEX today. Half of the exam was easy. The other half was impossible stuff that they just don't teach in school and there's no way you could be prepared for. It was like a really good exam with a really ****ty exam stapled onto the side. And I'm not even talking about the OMM- the OMM was mostly relatively okay. But the repro was legitimately far above and beyond what our school taught, what the USMLE expects you to know, and anything you'll ever be asked on Step 1. It's straight up shelf material that they threw on the test.
It seems there are two formats going around. One is "WTF is this ****" and the other is "This is similar to COMBANK and what I expected".
I hope I get the latter one!
From talking to a number of colleague who took the test on the same day, we came to a conclusion that there was at least 3 different versions that were administered on that day. However, we all had many, many identical questions. This compels me to believe that more than 50% of the qs are the same across all versions administered on the same day. But like I said, we are sure that they were different versions because each had unique qs that the other two forms didn't.There is only one form. Some people feel it was more like COMBANK than others.
I believe they either throw some questions out or some are experimental and don't count.I wonder if they throw any questions out, one professor I talked to said the test isn't curved.
Kinda similar to my experience. The first half of the test I felt I was going to get 600+. Then during the second half I felt I'd be lucky to just pass.
Yes, this. I took my test the same day as you. In the first 2 blocks I was thinking, okay this isn't so so bad. Then as I went on, I started running out of time and had to rush and read the stems quickly and instinctively pick an answer and move on. The stems were getting longer and longer, on top of having to scroll through and look for the lab values. The second half of the exam I was so fatigued, which only made me run out of more time with the ever long stems. Sigh.
An entire block worth of experimental questions is included in every exam.
Yes, this. I took my test the same day as you. In the first 2 blocks I was thinking, okay this isn't so so bad. Then as I went on, I started running out of time and had to rush and read the stems quickly and instinctively pick an answer and move on. The stems were getting longer and longer, on top of having to scroll through and look for the lab values. The second half of the exam I was so fatigued, which only made me run out of more time with the ever long stems. Sigh.
An entire block worth of experimental questions is included in every exam.