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Hello everyone. I am a second year who will write the exam in June 2011. Meanwhile let this be a good thread where everyone share their study progress and recent trend of the exam.
277/99
http://i.imgur.com/veT6J.png
By doing so many practice questions, when I took the actual test, it felt kinda natural, and so I was more at ease. After the test, I made note of 18 questions that I had been unsure of, and I got 6 of those questions wrong, so I estimate/guess that I got between 6 and 12 questions wrong total. The test felt tough during and afterwards, and I would have guessed that my score was lower, so don't worry afterwards if you think you didn't do well! About 60% of the q's on my test were straight-forward (one or two-step reasoning, material covered in FA), 35% required slightly more thinking (but still based on material covered in FA or RR Path), and maybe 5% were things I had never seen before (and not covered in FA or RR Path) - !
277/99
http://i.imgur.com/veT6J.png
My main study strategy was to do as many questions as possible. I did the WebPath questions during 1st year, all of USMLERx during the summer before 2nd year, Kaplan Qbank during 2nd year along w/ classes, and UWorld during my dedicated study time. I then did all of the questions in all 3 qbanks that I got wrong again until I had gotten all of them right. I also did the Robbins Review of Pathology question book.
I annotated FA and read RR Path along w/ classes during 2nd year. During the dedicated study period, I did 3 runs through the material, using FA, RR Path, and BRS Physio, along w/ UWorld. I used the "CramFighter" iPhone app to do my study schedule. I preferred to do three 2-week runthroughs of the material to one long one, as I found the repetition helpful. The first runthrough I studied more casually, getting down the main concepts. The 2nd and 3rd times through the material, I focused more on the topics to memorize/cram (I got at least one question right on the test thanks to rote memorization (of the pharyngeal arch derivatives)! )
Practice scores:
UWorld Sim Exam #1 (10 weeks out): 265+
UWorld SimExam #2 (8 weeks out): 265+
NBME CBSE (provided by school before dedicated study time): 260+
NBME 11 (6 weeks out): 266
NBME 7 (5 weeks out): 268
NBME 6 (4 weeks out): 273
NBME 12 (3 weeks out): 275
By doing so many practice questions, when I took the actual test, it felt kinda natural, and so I was more at ease. After the test, I made note of 18 questions that I had been unsure of, and I got 6 of those questions wrong, so I estimate/guess that I got between 6 and 12 questions wrong total. The test felt tough during and afterwards, and I would have guessed that my score was lower, so don't worry afterwards if you think you didn't do well! About 60% of the q's on my test were straight-forward (one or two-step reasoning, material covered in FA), 35% required slightly more thinking (but still based on material covered in FA or RR Path), and maybe 5% were things I had never seen before (and not covered in FA or RR Path) - on some of these, I was able to reason out the answers. The remainder of this 5% made up the 6 questions I know I got wrong - these were all questions that you either know or don't - e.g. specific adverse effects within a single class of HIV drugs, muscle attachments, etc.
Hope this was helpful!
just wow. I think this is the second highest score I've seen on SDN, the highest with screenshot.
(highest I've seen on here was 279)
lol, you shouldn't be surprised that you killed it. is neurosurgery still in the cards? I'm not sure what I want to do anymore.
277/99
http://i.imgur.com/veT6J.png
My main study strategy was to do as many questions as possible. I did the WebPath questions during 1st year, all of USMLERx during the summer before 2nd year, Kaplan Qbank during 2nd year along w/ classes, and UWorld during my dedicated study time. I then did all of the questions in all 3 qbanks that I got wrong again until I had gotten all of them right. I also did the Robbins Review of Pathology question book.
I annotated FA and read RR Path along w/ classes during 2nd year. During the dedicated study period, I did 3 runs through the material, using FA, RR Path, and BRS Physio, along w/ UWorld. I used the "CramFighter" iPhone app to do my study schedule. I preferred to do three 2-week runthroughs of the material to one long one, as I found the repetition helpful. The first runthrough I studied more casually, getting down the main concepts. The 2nd and 3rd times through the material, I focused more on the topics to memorize/cram (I got at least one question right on the test thanks to rote memorization (of the pharyngeal arch derivatives)! )
Practice scores:
UWorld Sim Exam #1 (10 weeks out): 265+
UWorld SimExam #2 (8 weeks out): 265+
NBME CBSE (provided by school before dedicated study time): 260+
NBME 11 (6 weeks out): 266
NBME 7 (5 weeks out): 268
NBME 6 (4 weeks out): 273
NBME 12 (3 weeks out): 275
By doing so many practice questions, when I took the actual test, it felt kinda natural, and so I was more at ease. After the test, I made note of 18 questions that I had been unsure of, and I got 6 of those questions wrong, so I estimate/guess that I got between 6 and 12 questions wrong total. The test felt tough during and afterwards, and I would have guessed that my score was lower, so don't worry afterwards if you think you didn't do well! About 60% of the q's on my test were straight-forward (one or two-step reasoning, material covered in FA), 35% required slightly more thinking (but still based on material covered in FA or RR Path), and maybe 5% were things I had never seen before (and not covered in FA or RR Path) - on some of these, I was able to reason out the answers. The remainder of this 5% made up the 6 questions I know I got wrong - these were all questions that you either know or don't - e.g. specific adverse effects within a single class of HIV drugs, muscle attachments, etc.
Hope this was helpful!
good job!
could you expand on how you managed to get that awesome score?
lol, you shouldn't be surprised that you killed it. is neurosurgery still in the cards? I'm not sure what I want to do anymore.
277/99
http://i.imgur.com/veT6J.png
My main study strategy was to do as many questions as possible. I did the WebPath questions during 1st year, all of USMLERx during the summer before 2nd year, Kaplan Qbank during 2nd year along w/ classes, and UWorld during my dedicated study time. I then did all of the questions in all 3 qbanks that I got wrong again until I had gotten all of them right. I also did the Robbins Review of Pathology question book.
I annotated FA and read RR Path along w/ classes during 2nd year. During the dedicated study period, I did 3 runs through the material, using FA, RR Path, and BRS Physio, along w/ UWorld. I used the "CramFighter" iPhone app to do my study schedule. I preferred to do three 2-week runthroughs of the material to one long one, as I found the repetition helpful. The first runthrough I studied more casually, getting down the main concepts. The 2nd and 3rd times through the material, I focused more on the topics to memorize/cram (I got at least one question right on the test thanks to rote memorization (of the pharyngeal arch derivatives)! )
Practice scores:
UWorld Sim Exam #1 (10 weeks out): 265+
UWorld SimExam #2 (8 weeks out): 265+
NBME CBSE (provided by school before dedicated study time): 260+
NBME 11 (6 weeks out): 266
NBME 7 (5 weeks out): 268
NBME 6 (4 weeks out): 273
NBME 12 (3 weeks out): 275
By doing so many practice questions, when I took the actual test, it felt kinda natural, and so I was more at ease. After the test, I made note of 18 questions that I had been unsure of, and I got 6 of those questions wrong, so I estimate/guess that I got between 6 and 12 questions wrong total. The test felt tough during and afterwards, and I would have guessed that my score was lower, so don't worry afterwards if you think you didn't do well! About 60% of the q's on my test were straight-forward (one or two-step reasoning, material covered in FA), 35% required slightly more thinking (but still based on material covered in FA or RR Path), and maybe 5% were things I had never seen before (and not covered in FA or RR Path) - on some of these, I was able to reason out the answers. The remainder of this 5% made up the 6 questions I know I got wrong - these were all questions that you either know or don't - e.g. specific adverse effects within a single class of HIV drugs, muscle attachments, etc.
Hope this was helpful!
277/99
http://i.imgur.com/veT6J.png
My main study strategy was to do as many questions as possible. I did the WebPath questions during 1st year, all of USMLERx during the summer before 2nd year, Kaplan Qbank during 2nd year along w/ classes, and UWorld during my dedicated study time. I then did all of the questions in all 3 qbanks that I got wrong again until I had gotten all of them right. I also did the Robbins Review of Pathology question book.
I annotated FA and read RR Path along w/ classes during 2nd year. During the dedicated study period, I did 3 runs through the material, using FA, RR Path, and BRS Physio, along w/ UWorld. I used the "CramFighter" iPhone app to do my study schedule. I preferred to do three 2-week runthroughs of the material to one long one, as I found the repetition helpful. The first runthrough I studied more casually, getting down the main concepts. The 2nd and 3rd times through the material, I focused more on the topics to memorize/cram (I got at least one question right on the test thanks to rote memorization (of the pharyngeal arch derivatives)! )
Practice scores:
UWorld Sim Exam #1 (10 weeks out): 265+
UWorld SimExam #2 (8 weeks out): 265+
NBME CBSE (provided by school before dedicated study time): 260+
NBME 11 (6 weeks out): 266
NBME 7 (5 weeks out): 268
NBME 6 (4 weeks out): 273
NBME 12 (3 weeks out): 275
By doing so many practice questions, when I took the actual test, it felt kinda natural, and so I was more at ease. After the test, I made note of 18 questions that I had been unsure of, and I got 6 of those questions wrong, so I estimate/guess that I got between 6 and 12 questions wrong total. The test felt tough during and afterwards, and I would have guessed that my score was lower, so don't worry afterwards if you think you didn't do well! About 60% of the q's on my test were straight-forward (one or two-step reasoning, material covered in FA), 35% required slightly more thinking (but still based on material covered in FA or RR Path), and maybe 5% were things I had never seen before (and not covered in FA or RR Path) - on some of these, I was able to reason out the answers. The remainder of this 5% made up the 6 questions I know I got wrong - these were all questions that you either know or don't - e.g. specific adverse effects within a single class of HIV drugs, muscle attachments, etc.
Hope this was helpful!
Amazing score! How did you manage to do all of USMLERx during the summer when you hadn't even taken Path yet? Moreover, all of webpath during 1st year? Am I missing something here?
(1) Gunner Trainning has gotten some pretty good reviews by some high scorers and some very negative reviews from many people that "just couldn't use that modality". I have a good deal of time and was wondering if anyone cold elaborate on their experience with this program, as i have done the free two week trial and it seems like a good investment.
(2) Also some other books that i have or can aquire that i was wondering is any users could comment on include: Secrets, the clinical vignettes subject books?
My guess is that he goes to a school with a systems based curriculum. Or he just studied ahead (which is plain nuts). Anyway setting up a long-term schedule like that is pretty much guaranteed a nasty high score... I studied for most of the second half of my second year + dedicated study time, managed 250s.
I don't really doubt at all that those high 270's folks exist, and they are indeed more likely to be posters on SDN.
That being said, I wouldn't worry if they're real or not.. with regards to study methods, there are people I know who have scored 250+ with just a dedicated 4-5 week study period. Then there are people who have been studying since Day 1 of MS2 that score above and below 250. Different strokes for different folks.
Did anyone else hardly get a any sleep the night before the exam? I hardly slept...I was getting angry that I couldn't fall asleep and that didn't help much. I was really tired in the morning but then the adrenalin kicked in for the test. I know I probably scored lower just because of lack of sleep.....kind of frustrating.
Did anyone else hardly get a any sleep the night before the exam? I hardly slept...I was getting angry that I couldn't fall asleep and that didn't help much. I was really tired in the morning but then the adrenalin kicked in for the test. I know I probably scored lower just because of lack of sleep.....kind of frustrating.
Did anyone else hardly get a any sleep the night before the exam? I hardly slept...I was getting angry that I couldn't fall asleep and that didn't help much. I was really tired in the morning but then the adrenalin kicked in for the test. I know I probably scored lower just because of lack of sleep.....kind of frustrating.
Doesn't it seem kind of strange that the two people on this page that scored over a 270 are first time posters? I'm not saying they are lying but it's pretty easy to fake scores so I wouldn't rely on screenshots for proof. If they did have those amazing scores ... good for them.
I made this in 2 minutes:
http://i.imgur.com/Qjzh8.jpg
this thread gave me just about all of my ideas for prep, so i felt compelled to give a little back. my prep had 3 major phases. I slacked 1st year and knew I'd have to really bite the bullet 2nd year if I wanted to get a score I would be proud of. It's not that long, forget about going out and distractions and get this done...anyway, my prep:
1. do well second year in path/pathophys/pharm. I used GT from november until my test date. peaked at 99% complete with 70% mastered. switched to lite mode once my dedicated time began due to time constraints, but i thank that program for my path shelf grade (90+). It works, use it if you learn by questions or tend to wonder what's for dinner/on tv/what's going on later while 'reading' texts.
2. I triaged my worst 3 subjects and started with them first. I did this 6 months before my test. I used GT to memorize micro + immuno (which ended up being the bulk of my exam). I used the kaplan biochem notes and lectures (bought the course, used it for biochem, realized the rest wouldn't be worth my time and returned the course for a full refund and got to keep the books...not sure if this is common but it was my experience). During this time I began using usmle RX, trying to do as many questions as I could.
3. 6 weeks before my exam I began my dedicated time. I focused on completing UW at first, and annotating FA. I read through BRS for phys then watched the kaplan pharm videos (raymond made all my pharm questions gimmes). My studying for the path shelf made path a lower priority for me. I ended up doing all of UW once with marked questions again, then about half the kaplan qbank in subject based mode. I also used tutor mode for all these, as I never had trouble with timing and would suggest this for those who can't stand re-reading the question while reviewing. I took 3 nbme's and the UWSA's:
5 = 212 (~12 weeks out)
UWSA1 = 238 (6 weeks out)
6 = 242 (4 weeks out)
11 = 243 (2 weeks out)
UWSA2 = 263 (4 days before)
Real slim shaddy = 253
Hope this helps someone. Best of luck to everyone. Focus on your weaknesses and just buckle down.
Done. Doing uworld a second time paying special attention to weak sections, reading through entire first aid with special attention to weak sections is key toward the end. both those things combined can be done in 10 days. I did uworld twice and read first aid again in 7 days combined because I was short on time. It helped because if u suck at memorizing like me u need to be looking at material til the last day even if you learned it before. I had 12 questions that seems almost straight from uworld including 3 ethics ones that were exactly like uworlds. For me uw and fa was almost 80% of the test. Pharm was much easier than I expected, I was worried about difficult drug of choice questions like antimicrobials or cardio drugs but i only had a few doc questions which were easy ones straight from FA which didn't have to involve deciding between two drugs, also had mostly side effects and mechanisms as questions. anatomy not as bad either fa plus uw was 75% for me, lots of CT scans which are easy. Those were my two problem sections. Second half of exam seemed pretty tough i think all my experimentals were there. Ethics questions are hard, I would look for additional practice questions Uworld is weak on it.
Anyway to summarize, FA + UW plus random details you remember throughout 2 years is key. You really need to completely memorize FA I was tested on details that I didn't think were important and that last run of FA got me those questions.
Does anyone know if the scores for the rest of June come out tomorrow? I am terrified. I found the real thing so much harder than the nbme's.
Yes they do - through july 2nd. Good luck!
Where do you get this information? I took mine on July 14th and don't know when to expect my score. I'm anxious about mine as well...
congrats on being done. In what other resources could you find the 20% you feel wasn't in FA + UW
I did step 1 today.......i think
I did UW with 71% overall once through.
qbank was through the year but about the same.
Did DIT as well.......but there wasn't a thing they discussed that was on my exam so I guess a paid 700 some odd bucks to aid in excluding a few answer choices.
UWSA2 = 254
NBME 7, 11, 12 = all between 245-255
Im not sure where my Step 1 questions came from or what they were even asking.
I must have drawn an erratic or odd set of questions. Pretty much an even 3 way split between micro, immunology, and anatomy. Other than those topics, I had about 1-2 questions from the other basic/organ subject areas.
I marked the questions that were topics I had no clue what an answer might be.....I marked a low of 11 in one section and a high of 21 in another. On the NBME SA's I usually marked 2-4 per section. Usually marked 3-4 in my random UW 46 question blocks as well.
Feel pretty indifferent about it, hoping that I just drew a hard set of questions......but its over and cant do anything about it now anyway
Best of luck to all those of you who take it in the future.
Hey guys, took my test yesterday, here's a quick writeup out of my step 1 experience.
Little background:
CBSSE (2 weeks before finishing school) - 235
Started studying May 16
UWSA 1 (4 weeks in) - 265/800
NBME 12 (5 weeks in) - 257/650
UWSA 2 (Little after 5 weeks in) - 265/800
Free 150 - 95%
Uworld full pass - 86% correct
Real deal (6/27) - 270
I kept a log of hours I spent in the library over the course of my 6 week study period, and ended up with a touch over 560 hours overall. I found it helpful to keep such a log, because it kept me focused on maximizing my effort - there was no point where I thought "aww I've spent so much time in the library today, lemme just go home and relax," because I knew I was keeping track of every minute I wasted.
I originally had my test scheduled for 6/30 at 12:00 in the testing center in the city where I live, but I decided right after I started studying to bump it up 3 days. The only time available then was 8:00am, which I wasn't going to take, so I had it changed to a testing center in a nearby town, which had a spot available for 1:00. I'd HIGHLY recommend taking it in the afternoon - I had plenty of time to sleep in, get a shower, grab a nice lunch, and watch an episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia being filmed right outside of my house (more on that later). Additionally, the testing center I went to was much smaller than the one in the city, which meant fewer delays, fewer distractions, less noise, etc.
The test:
I'm really not sure if I just got an unbelievably lucky draw of questions or what, because I thought the test was really easy - far easier than the free 150 questions or the NBME11/12 exams, and definitely way easier than Uworld. The questions weren't all that long, and there didn't seem to be a lot of "tertiary" questions at all (like on Uworld where you have to figure out the diagnosis, decide what the correct treatment is, and then answer a question about a side effect of the treatment). In fact, there were a lot of questions that were so basic (2 sentences testing a BASIC fact, like what the diagnosis is for a pt with B symptoms and acid fast bacilli on sputum) where I just tilted my head and said "wait, really???"
That actually concerns me, because a friend of mine took the test recently and got SLAMMED with embryology / anatomy - she said it was incredibly hard. My brother took the test 3 years ago and walked out feeling like he completely screwed up on the questions, and ended up getting a 260+. I would not be surprised at all if you're graded based on the difficulty and statistical analysis of the questions you took, which means if my test was full of cake walk questions, it's going to be a lot harder for me to clear the 260 level. But, who knows. We'll find out in 3 weeks - I know for sure that I'm going to get a score high enough to get me into the specialty I want to go into, I just want to get a score that'll make the *******s at the NBME sputter their coffee when it pops up on the discharge screen
I had maybe 4 or 5 embryo questions, and probably 9 or 10 anatomy questions, although they were all very, very reasonable. The CT scans are HIGH quality (not the copyright(c) 1993 scans you get from Uworld), and for the most part they were all fairly reasonable questions (as reasonable as USMLE-style anatomy questions can be).
Immuno was not hard at all - there were definitely a lot of immuno-related vignettes, but the final question asked was not always immuno related. When it was, it was a reasonable concept that you should have learned during your MSII classes.
I had a surprisingly large amount of microbiology, which I'm normally very strong in, however there was (as far as I can remember) 1 question that had me caught in between two answers. I'm refusing to look up any of the questions I wasn't sure about.
People talk about pathophysiology and describe ridiculous arrow questions with values that they had never even thought to consider, but all those questions are perfectly workable - you just need to take a step back and think about the physiology a bit holistically - skip the question and come back to it later if you're getting a bit tunnelvisioned.
As for Uworld / Fist Aid - I highly suggest you do all the questions you'd marked in Uworld the day before the exam (preferably in the morning and taking the afternoon off). I had 2 or 3 concepts that I had marked on Uworld that I had just reviewed the day before, that showed up on my exam. A lot of the info was of course in First Aid, but it's somewhat of a moot point, because you can only get the most out of First Aid if you already understand the material to a degree that you wouldn't really have needed to memorize the book in the first place. They're testing questions more than facts - First Aid is amazing for studying and consolidating your info, but I think you have to have the background knowledge first before relying on it.
Before I forget, here's my study materials:
Pathology during the school year - both Goljan Path and BRS Path
Pathology during board studying - BRS Path
Physiology - BRS Physio
Neuroanatomy - HY Neuro
Anatomy - Mainly First Aid (not enough, but you can figure out a lot of the questions if you remember a few things from your MSI class)
Immuno / Microbio: CMMRS supplemented with the Kaplan notes
Pharm: Pharm Cards + BRS flash cards
Behavioral - BRS
Embryology - First Aid (again, 2 out of the 5 weren't in FA, but you can figure them out if you remember anything from your MSI class)
Biochemistry - Pelley / Goljan's Rapid Review (highly recommended. Biochem was by far my weakest subject in MSI, and after spending 4 days with RR biochem, it was by far one of my strongest going into the test)
Oh, so, It's Always Sunny: I left the house to go grab some lunch before driving to the testing center, and made it about a block before the street was closed off. Turns out they were filming an episode of Always Sunny right there, so I had to circumvent the block they were using in order to get to the Wawa. On the way back, though, I stopped by the film site and managed to snap some pictures of the crew + Mac, Dee and Charlie:
Mac is fat
More Mac
Charlie doing the Charlie face
Dee on the left
Another of Dee
I have the same scores as you (NBME 6 -- yet to take 12), but how on earth did you manage to bump up that score by 25 points in a week!?on the day of my exam (6/29) i wrote out my thoughts... didn't post because I thought I bombed it, so who'd want my advice lol. Opened up that .doc and it turns out I just didn't have any insight into how I did... at all.
I thought I'd scored in the 220s for one. And the only section I had the right idea about was behavioral.... it felt brutal, and it WAS (my only borderline section). Biostats were fine, quote questions were hellishly vague.
So not gonna bother posting that, every exam is diff anyway. My stats:
nbme 6 189 - 5 weeks out
nbme 12 214 - 4 weeks out
nbme 11 245 - 2 weeks out
free 150 89% - 2 days out
score prediction (after exam): 220s
real deal: 245-250
moral of the story: learning things in the first 2 years is overrated, as you can gather from my diagnostic I didn't do much of that (P/F curriculum hells ya).
in all seriousness, a month and a half is more than enough to make up for being a mediocre student if you're not looking to score super high. i'm sure the 270s have mad retention though. def work hard both years if you can. FA and UW are really great
I have the same scores as you (NBME 6 -- yet to take 12), but how on earth did you manage to bump up that score by 25 points in a week!?
ia with GB... you're gonna have the biggest increases in the beginning.I have the same scores as you (NBME 6 -- yet to take 12), but how on earth did you manage to bump up that score by 25 points in a week!?
That sounds about right, I took it before UW (which people say is pretty good in helping to learn the way questions on the NBME are asked so that might have played a role), for now, i'm trying to finish UW within a week, reviewing FA in 1 week, and then taking form 12.ia with GB... you're gonna have the biggest increases in the beginning.
But I did one run through of FA between the two. I got through FA once every week except between NBME 12 and 11. I felt like I started to forget things I learned at the beginning of the "run" when I took too long. Every time I tried to memorize more and more. Worked for me, although I know most people on SDN take more time but are probably more thorough with their approach. Depends on your attention span and how long you can stand staring at the same pages I guess (mine is very short, lol).
good luck bro/broette!
Good Luck qmcat! Mine's in 2 weeks
That sounds about right, I took it before UW (which people say is pretty good in helping to learn the way questions on the NBME are asked so that might have played a role), for now, i'm trying to finish UW within a week, reviewing FA in 1 week, and then taking form 12.
What would you say is better to take 3 weeks out? 7 / 11 / 12?
I could use a motivational boost lol aka I dont want to get anally penetrated by a tough NBME.