Good luck all. I have my exam end of March and hope to be the 1st one to post here for 2010.
i think they start rolling in from midnight till 10amstupid question, i know.............but does anyone have any idea what time step scores come out on wednesdays?
k cool......thanks
Good luck to you.. and who ever else is expecting results tonight..
When did you take it?
its a respectable score, period. congrats.woo hoo. got my score
245/99.
wished it was a bit higher but its fine..........this is a relatively respectable score.
woo hoo. got my score
245/99.
wished it was a bit higher but its fine..........this is a relatively respectable score.
woo hoo. got my score
245/99.
wished it was a bit higher but its fine..........this is a relatively respectable score.
I'd actually say that's an amazing score. I'm sure the ~90% of people who score lower would agree. By SDN standards, you *barely* passed, though.
Those of you that just took it, did they have questions with like 8-10+ answer choices like you see in UWorld? What about any nitpicky details like what chromosome a gene is on or where exactly a given triplet repeat is located?
Too bad those who fail dont post about their experience, this is an "experience" thread, the posts have been tremendous and i dont think anyone has bragged about their scores.The thing about all these postings after reading these for a longgg time is that many people seem to brag post about their good scores but if you notice this is deceiving to many who don t score well. I guess its good inspiration and hope but its not an accurate reading on how people really perform on this test imo. I wonder how many fail who will never post scores to all here. You see, you know people fail this test and never post a thing to this forum so keep this in mind next time you read a great score raa-raa post.
I enjoy reading these too but,,,,,,
hey tin, how was the embryo and anatomy questions? was FA enough for those?
Those of you that just took it, did they have questions with like 8-10+ answer choices like you see in UWorld? What about any nitpicky details like what chromosome a gene is on or where exactly a given triplet repeat is located?
U know.......funny u mention it...........but during my prep....and on the exam..... I noticed that the questions that contained > 8 answer choices tended to be pretty basic knowledge type questions that would be found in prep books such as first aid.......or that professors and books mentioned ad nauseum. For example.........major bug involved in UTIs.......a question like this would have like 15 choices.......and u had to hunt for E.Coli.
The stuff that involved some critical thinking or had to be derived tended to have only 4-5 answer choices.
So in questions containing a lot of answer choices..........I tended to stay with basics and not over think it.
Um......regarding nitpicky details.....I would know the chromosome numbers for genes in first aid.......and stuff you see more than 3 or 4 times while studying (i.e. its a pretty good gauge of its importance). Regarding where a triplet repeat is located..............I dont know if location is so important as knowing........which disorders have triplet repeats, common characteristics of it (i.e. 4 major symptoms and the concept of anticipation and its implications)...
I did one practice question in which a karyotype was displayed....symptoms were given.......and the gene abnormality had to be determined from both. (i.e. gene deletion at C-5, cri-du-chat)
http://www.wikitestprep.org/what are wiki questions?
Good job BodyMaster, with that score and the time you spent studying, I'd say you test VERY well.
Wow you guys both did wonderful. Congratulations! You guys have this part of your life WELL squared away. Now I can only hope to do as well as both of you guys.
I'm going under the knife tomorrow =( so we'll see if I come out alive on the other side or not. I'll post my test experience after the test. I'm keeping my fingers crossed...cross them for me too guys!
Paging vicinihil . . .
(let us know how things went once you recover from your several-day hangover)
Alright I'm back from my several day hangover in beautiful Florida and posting my day's experiences.
6am: Get up, get to starbucks and cram some last minute things like adverse reactions to pharm drugs, look over the micro charts again, nothing too intense
7:30am: Armed with 2 cups of starbucks coffee (one to leave in my car for the afternoon) and a bottle of Ethos Starbucks water for rehydration and 2 starbucks fruit and nut bars and a starbucks sandwich, I head to the center (1 block away from the starbucks)
7:40am: arrive and sign in and they promptly got me to a testing computer because you can start early if you show up early. (originally scheduled at 8am)
I only used 40 minutes of my 1hr for break. I didn't feel like I needed a break every block especially if I was in the zone. I generally took 5 minute breaks every 2 blocks and roughly 10-15 minutes for lunch. During the breaks I made sure to pee even if I didn't need to just to make sure I don't get the urge later and drank water to rehydrate from the coffee.
3pm: Finish, got up, left
Overall Impression:
The test was difficult but majority of it was whether you knew it or not. >90% of the test was 1-2 step reasoning and the stems give a lot of information away. I finished each block with roughly 20 minutes left to go back and go through the section again quickly to make sure I didn't misread a question or misunderstand what they were shooting for.
Breakdown of the test: Largely largely largely largely PATHOLOGY with a lot of PHYSIOLOGY
If I had to assign percentages I would have to say
50% Pathology (Neuro = GI > MSK = Cardiac)
20% Physiology
10% Micro and Pharm
20% Everything else (Anatomy > Behavioral > Genetics = Biochem)
Pathology questions: Straightforward asking for diseases with good patient presentations (60 year old dude experiencing xxxxxx symptoms with occasional xxxxxxx.Wife reports that he's been xxxxxxxx. On presentation patient appears xxxxxxxx. What's the most likely diagnosis). GI, Neuro, MSK, Cardio seemed like the biggies on this section. Had quite a few questions on GI presentation/cancers/diseases and presentations, neuro cancers/dementia/visual field deficits, and MSK pathology like lesions here would cause what nerve deficit/muscular dystrophies/etc. Cardio questions were more to do with heart sounds. I got 3 auscultation questions each consisted of me being able to move the stethescope around on the chest of the patient and listen for murmurs, gallops, etc.
Physiology questions: Also straight forward (Which of the following is a stimulus fr the release of xxxxxx enzyme...then they'd give you a chart with arrows saying that the concentration of the enzyme goes up or down due to different stimuli. (ex: Which of the following is a stimulus for insulin release? chicken wings (up) sugar (up) Glucagon (up) or chicken wings (down) sugar (up) glucagon (up).
Pharm questions were much more focused on side effects and what you can use with xxx drug and what you can't use with xxx drug. Only the cancer drugs did they focus on mechanism of action (example: Person has testicular cancer, went on a cisplatin. What's the MOA?) I would say Neuro drugs and Antibiotics showed up more than any other classes of drugs.
Micro: Once again, whether or not you knew what bug caused the disease. The choices weren't confusing. It started with a presentation and asked you for the most likely organism. There were a few stains that you had to identify if the organisms were intracell/extracell, g+/g-. Some micro questions tied into treatments such as prophylaxis and side effects of antibiotics etc and MOA. If I have to break down the different micro subtopics, I would have to say
Bacteria > Parasites > Viruses (drugs for viruses seemed to come up pretty often and their MOA.)
Anatomy was like....dude's got pain here, what muscle attaches here. Or person was using crutches and now has a nerve deficit HERE (arrow points to brachial plexus nerve) and it asks you what deficit he has. Quite a few radiographs and CT's that went along with the presentation. Got a few brainstem gross photos which asked me where certain CN exit and if so and so has a deficit this and that, where's the most likely lesion and the answers point to different areas of the brain stem.
Genetics: Some pedigrees, you have to draw some punnette squares, and you do need to solve P2 + 2pq + q2 = 1 equation. You have to know your AD, AR, XR, etc etc.
Behavioral Sciences: There were at least 1-2 ethics questions per block and they were random. Most of it had to do with the patient physician interview and what you say to such and such response or what do you suggest to the patient to get him and her to do this and that. Nothing you can really do here. Not a lot of calculations in terms of biostats that need to be done and only one or two questions that asked you about bias and different type of studies.
Biochem: One or two hardcore biochem questions that had to do with what product transforms into what and where (example: Leucine and Lysine are purely ketogenic AA) Some cofactor questions and some lysosomal storage diseases etc etc. I would say I got no more than half a dozen biochem questions.
Overall: The test was more straightforward than expected. I would say that it's more like 70:30 NBME:UW in terms of depth of questions and involvement. Each of the NBME's that I took (6 and 7 and free 150) felt similar in terms of difficulty so I can't make a recommendation as to which one is better than another to take.
What you should take away from my experience:
1. Read BRS Phys and Read Goljan Path and listen to his audio. They are by far the three most valuable resources to prepare for this test. They are better resources than FA in my opinion for studying for this test at least initially. Use FA as an outline and nothing more. Read FA word for word and every time you come across a pathology or a "relationship" they want you to associate two diseases with, look it up in Goljan and understand what it has to say about that. Memorizing FA for path as is is NOT enough. Everything else for FA is great (Micro, Behavioral, Psych) but not the path. You need more.
2. UW is your best friend. Quite a few of my questions mimicked UW and there were some that were STRAIGHT from it. I wish I had the chance to do UW twice fully without just glancing at some of the questions I missed. Very similar concepts were tested in a lot of my questions.
3. Outside resources were not necessary. Everything can be found in FA and Goljan with the exception of some radiographs and brainstem slices (I would go to HY Neuro) for those. But in terms of HY Mol Bio, HY Neuro, HY Behavioral, HY Immuno...they are all great if you have a lot of time but not necessary and frankly low yield. CMMRS is good only for the table and even that is a bit of an overshoot for the depth of micro questions. If you memorize what Micro bug is gram blah and oxidase blah etc etc you're golden. Also make sure you check out the BONUS MICRO TABLES on the firstaid blog website
http://firstaidteam.com/cases/
I found them to be excellent for review the last day before the exam.
4. Some question you just can't prepare for because you know 10,000 facts out of the possible 100,000 facts and only 336 of them will be tested. You're not going to know which one is going to be thrown at you. I had a friend that spent two days on learning Biochem and he was given maybe 1 or 2 biochem questions and had a lot of neuro brainstems that he ignored. Go for the high yield topics and leave the low yield for what it is...low yield. You're most likely not going to get every answer correct and there's a much better chance that spending those 2 days studying Path will be better rewarded than studying Biochem. If you know NOTHING about biochem, that's a different story.
Ok I think that's about all I had to say. I'll post how I studied after I get my exam scores but the above is my impressions and what I thought as I was taking the exam. I hope it helps everyone on this website. I know all you guys have been a major source of my support during these months while I'm studying for this beast and also during the MCATs. Let me know if there's any other info you guys need to rock this thing. I'm here to help!!
4 weeks left to wait. Wish me luck
4 weeks left to wait. Wish me luck
Alright I'm back from my several day hangover in beautiful Florida and posting my day's experiences.
6am: Get up, get to starbucks and cram some last minute things like adverse reactions to pharm drugs, look over the micro charts again, nothing too intense
7:30am: Armed with 2 cups of starbucks coffee (one to leave in my car for the afternoon) and a bottle of Ethos Starbucks water for rehydration and 2 starbucks fruit and nut bars and a starbucks sandwich, I head to the center (1 block away from the starbucks)
7:40am: arrive and sign in and they promptly got me to a testing computer because you can start early if you show up early. (originally scheduled at 8am)
I only used 40 minutes of my 1hr for break. I didn't feel like I needed a break every block especially if I was in the zone. I generally took 5 minute breaks every 2 blocks and roughly 10-15 minutes for lunch. During the breaks I made sure to pee even if I didn't need to just to make sure I don't get the urge later and drank water to rehydrate from the coffee.
3pm: Finish, got up, left
Overall Impression:
The test was difficult but majority of it was whether you knew it or not. >90% of the test was 1-2 step reasoning and the stems give a lot of information away. I finished each block with roughly 20 minutes left to go back and go through the section again quickly to make sure I didn't misread a question or misunderstand what they were shooting for.
Breakdown of the test: Largely largely largely largely PATHOLOGY with a lot of PHYSIOLOGY
If I had to assign percentages I would have to say
50% Pathology (Neuro = GI > MSK = Cardiac)
20% Physiology
10% Micro and Pharm
20% Everything else (Anatomy > Behavioral > Genetics = Biochem)
Pathology questions: Straightforward asking for diseases with good patient presentations (60 year old dude experiencing xxxxxx symptoms with occasional xxxxxxx.Wife reports that he's been xxxxxxxx. On presentation patient appears xxxxxxxx. What's the most likely diagnosis). GI, Neuro, MSK, Cardio seemed like the biggies on this section. Had quite a few questions on GI presentation/cancers/diseases and presentations, neuro cancers/dementia/visual field deficits, and MSK pathology like lesions here would cause what nerve deficit/muscular dystrophies/etc. Cardio questions were more to do with heart sounds. I got 3 auscultation questions each consisted of me being able to move the stethescope around on the chest of the patient and listen for murmurs, gallops, etc.
Physiology questions: Also straight forward (Which of the following is a stimulus fr the release of xxxxxx enzyme...then they'd give you a chart with arrows saying that the concentration of the enzyme goes up or down due to different stimuli. (ex: Which of the following is a stimulus for insulin release? chicken wings (up) sugar (up) Glucagon (up) or chicken wings (down) sugar (up) glucagon (up).
Pharm questions were much more focused on side effects and what you can use with xxx drug and what you can't use with xxx drug. Only the cancer drugs did they focus on mechanism of action (example: Person has testicular cancer, went on a cisplatin. What's the MOA?) I would say Neuro drugs and Antibiotics showed up more than any other classes of drugs.
Micro: Once again, whether or not you knew what bug caused the disease. The choices weren't confusing. It started with a presentation and asked you for the most likely organism. There were a few stains that you had to identify if the organisms were intracell/extracell, g+/g-. Some micro questions tied into treatments such as prophylaxis and side effects of antibiotics etc and MOA. If I have to break down the different micro subtopics, I would have to say
Bacteria > Parasites > Viruses (drugs for viruses seemed to come up pretty often and their MOA.)
Anatomy was like....dude's got pain here, what muscle attaches here. Or person was using crutches and now has a nerve deficit HERE (arrow points to brachial plexus nerve) and it asks you what deficit he has. Quite a few radiographs and CT's that went along with the presentation. Got a few brainstem gross photos which asked me where certain CN exit and if so and so has a deficit this and that, where's the most likely lesion and the answers point to different areas of the brain stem.
Genetics: Some pedigrees, you have to draw some punnette squares, and you do need to solve P2 + 2pq + q2 = 1 equation. You have to know your AD, AR, XR, etc etc.
Behavioral Sciences: There were at least 1-2 ethics questions per block and they were random. Most of it had to do with the patient physician interview and what you say to such and such response or what do you suggest to the patient to get him and her to do this and that. Nothing you can really do here. Not a lot of calculations in terms of biostats that need to be done and only one or two questions that asked you about bias and different type of studies.
Biochem: One or two hardcore biochem questions that had to do with what product transforms into what and where (example: Leucine and Lysine are purely ketogenic AA) Some cofactor questions and some lysosomal storage diseases etc etc. I would say I got no more than half a dozen biochem questions.
Overall: The test was more straightforward than expected. I would say that it's more like 70:30 NBME:UW in terms of depth of questions and involvement. Each of the NBME's that I took (6 and 7 and free 150) felt similar in terms of difficulty so I can't make a recommendation as to which one is better than another to take.
What you should take away from my experience:
1. Read BRS Phys and Read Goljan Path and listen to his audio. They are by far the three most valuable resources to prepare for this test. They are better resources than FA in my opinion for studying for this test at least initially. Use FA as an outline and nothing more. Read FA word for word and every time you come across a pathology or a "relationship" they want you to associate two diseases with, look it up in Goljan and understand what it has to say about that. Memorizing FA for path as is is NOT enough. Everything else for FA is great (Micro, Behavioral, Psych) but not the path. You need more.
2. UW is your best friend. Quite a few of my questions mimicked UW and there were some that were STRAIGHT from it. I wish I had the chance to do UW twice fully without just glancing at some of the questions I missed. Very similar concepts were tested in a lot of my questions.
3. Outside resources were not necessary. Everything can be found in FA and Goljan with the exception of some radiographs and brainstem slices (I would go to HY Neuro) for those. But in terms of HY Mol Bio, HY Neuro, HY Behavioral, HY Immuno...they are all great if you have a lot of time but not necessary and frankly low yield. CMMRS is good only for the table and even that is a bit of an overshoot for the depth of micro questions. If you memorize what Micro bug is gram blah and oxidase blah etc etc you're golden. Also make sure you check out the BONUS MICRO TABLES on the firstaid blog website
http://firstaidteam.com/cases/
I found them to be excellent for review the last day before the exam.
4. Some question you just can't prepare for because you know 10,000 facts out of the possible 100,000 facts and only 336 of them will be tested. You're not going to know which one is going to be thrown at you. I had a friend that spent two days on learning Biochem and he was given maybe 1 or 2 biochem questions and had a lot of neuro brainstems that he ignored. Go for the high yield topics and leave the low yield for what it is...low yield. You're most likely not going to get every answer correct and there's a much better chance that spending those 2 days studying Path will be better rewarded than studying Biochem. If you know NOTHING about biochem, that's a different story.
Ok I think that's about all I had to say. I'll post how I studied after I get my exam scores but the above is my impressions and what I thought as I was taking the exam. I hope it helps everyone on this website. I know all you guys have been a major source of my support during these months while I'm studying for this beast and also during the MCATs. Let me know if there's any other info you guys need to rock this thing. I'm here to help!!
4 weeks left to wait. Wish me luck
Alright I'm back from my several day hangover in beautiful Florida and posting my day's experiences.
6am: Get up, get to starbucks and cram some last minute things like adverse reactions to pharm drugs, look over the micro charts again, nothing too intense
7:30am: Armed with 2 cups of starbucks coffee (one to leave in my car for the afternoon) and a bottle of Ethos Starbucks water for rehydration and 2 starbucks fruit and nut bars and a starbucks sandwich, I head to the center (1 block away from the starbucks)
7:40am: arrive and sign in and they promptly got me to a testing computer because you can start early if you show up early. (originally scheduled at 8am)
I only used 40 minutes of my 1hr for break. I didn't feel like I needed a break every block especially if I was in the zone. I generally took 5 minute breaks every 2 blocks and roughly 10-15 minutes for lunch. During the breaks I made sure to pee even if I didn't need to just to make sure I don't get the urge later and drank water to rehydrate from the coffee.
3pm: Finish, got up, left
Overall Impression:
The test was difficult but majority of it was whether you knew it or not. >90% of the test was 1-2 step reasoning and the stems give a lot of information away. I finished each block with roughly 20 minutes left to go back and go through the section again quickly to make sure I didn't misread a question or misunderstand what they were shooting for.
Breakdown of the test: Largely largely largely largely PATHOLOGY with a lot of PHYSIOLOGY
If I had to assign percentages I would have to say
50% Pathology (Neuro = GI > MSK = Cardiac)
20% Physiology
10% Micro and Pharm
20% Everything else (Anatomy > Behavioral > Genetics = Biochem)
Pathology questions: Straightforward asking for diseases with good patient presentations (60 year old dude experiencing xxxxxx symptoms with occasional xxxxxxx.Wife reports that he's been xxxxxxxx. On presentation patient appears xxxxxxxx. What's the most likely diagnosis). GI, Neuro, MSK, Cardio seemed like the biggies on this section. Had quite a few questions on GI presentation/cancers/diseases and presentations, neuro cancers/dementia/visual field deficits, and MSK pathology like lesions here would cause what nerve deficit/muscular dystrophies/etc. Cardio questions were more to do with heart sounds. I got 3 auscultation questions each consisted of me being able to move the stethescope around on the chest of the patient and listen for murmurs, gallops, etc.
Physiology questions: Also straight forward (Which of the following is a stimulus fr the release of xxxxxx enzyme...then they'd give you a chart with arrows saying that the concentration of the enzyme goes up or down due to different stimuli. (ex: Which of the following is a stimulus for insulin release? chicken wings (up) sugar (up) Glucagon (up) or chicken wings (down) sugar (up) glucagon (up).
Pharm questions were much more focused on side effects and what you can use with xxx drug and what you can't use with xxx drug. Only the cancer drugs did they focus on mechanism of action (example: Person has testicular cancer, went on a cisplatin. What's the MOA?) I would say Neuro drugs and Antibiotics showed up more than any other classes of drugs.
Micro: Once again, whether or not you knew what bug caused the disease. The choices weren't confusing. It started with a presentation and asked you for the most likely organism. There were a few stains that you had to identify if the organisms were intracell/extracell, g+/g-. Some micro questions tied into treatments such as prophylaxis and side effects of antibiotics etc and MOA. If I have to break down the different micro subtopics, I would have to say
Bacteria > Parasites > Viruses (drugs for viruses seemed to come up pretty often and their MOA.)
Anatomy was like....dude's got pain here, what muscle attaches here. Or person was using crutches and now has a nerve deficit HERE (arrow points to brachial plexus nerve) and it asks you what deficit he has. Quite a few radiographs and CT's that went along with the presentation. Got a few brainstem gross photos which asked me where certain CN exit and if so and so has a deficit this and that, where's the most likely lesion and the answers point to different areas of the brain stem.
Genetics: Some pedigrees, you have to draw some punnette squares, and you do need to solve P2 + 2pq + q2 = 1 equation. You have to know your AD, AR, XR, etc etc.
Behavioral Sciences: There were at least 1-2 ethics questions per block and they were random. Most of it had to do with the patient physician interview and what you say to such and such response or what do you suggest to the patient to get him and her to do this and that. Nothing you can really do here. Not a lot of calculations in terms of biostats that need to be done and only one or two questions that asked you about bias and different type of studies.
Biochem: One or two hardcore biochem questions that had to do with what product transforms into what and where (example: Leucine and Lysine are purely ketogenic AA) Some cofactor questions and some lysosomal storage diseases etc etc. I would say I got no more than half a dozen biochem questions.
Overall: The test was more straightforward than expected. I would say that it's more like 70:30 NBME:UW in terms of depth of questions and involvement. Each of the NBME's that I took (6 and 7 and free 150) felt similar in terms of difficulty so I can't make a recommendation as to which one is better than another to take.
What you should take away from my experience:
1. Read BRS Phys and Read Goljan Path and listen to his audio. They are by far the three most valuable resources to prepare for this test. They are better resources than FA in my opinion for studying for this test at least initially. Use FA as an outline and nothing more. Read FA word for word and every time you come across a pathology or a "relationship" they want you to associate two diseases with, look it up in Goljan and understand what it has to say about that. Memorizing FA for path as is is NOT enough. Everything else for FA is great (Micro, Behavioral, Psych) but not the path. You need more.
2. UW is your best friend. Quite a few of my questions mimicked UW and there were some that were STRAIGHT from it. I wish I had the chance to do UW twice fully without just glancing at some of the questions I missed. Very similar concepts were tested in a lot of my questions.
3. Outside resources were not necessary. Everything can be found in FA and Goljan with the exception of some radiographs and brainstem slices (I would go to HY Neuro) for those. But in terms of HY Mol Bio, HY Neuro, HY Behavioral, HY Immuno...they are all great if you have a lot of time but not necessary and frankly low yield. CMMRS is good only for the table and even that is a bit of an overshoot for the depth of micro questions. If you memorize what Micro bug is gram blah and oxidase blah etc etc you're golden. Also make sure you check out the BONUS MICRO TABLES on the firstaid blog website
http://firstaidteam.com/cases/
I found them to be excellent for review the last day before the exam.
4. Some question you just can't prepare for because you know 10,000 facts out of the possible 100,000 facts and only 336 of them will be tested. You're not going to know which one is going to be thrown at you. I had a friend that spent two days on learning Biochem and he was given maybe 1 or 2 biochem questions and had a lot of neuro brainstems that he ignored. Go for the high yield topics and leave the low yield for what it is...low yield. You're most likely not going to get every answer correct and there's a much better chance that spending those 2 days studying Path will be better rewarded than studying Biochem. If you know NOTHING about biochem, that's a different story.
Ok I think that's about all I had to say. I'll post how I studied after I get my exam scores but the above is my impressions and what I thought as I was taking the exam. I hope it helps everyone on this website. I know all you guys have been a major source of my support during these months while I'm studying for this beast and also during the MCATs. Let me know if there's any other info you guys need to rock this thing. I'm here to help!!
4 weeks left to wait. Wish me luck
Alright I'm back from my several day hangover in beautiful Florida and posting my day's experiences.
4 weeks left to wait. Wish me luck
Practice exams:
CBSE (administered by school) - 2/22 (first day of study period, ~5 and a half weeks before exam) 53=158
UWSA1 3/12 (~3 weeks before exam) 195
NBME 4 3/25 (1 week before exam) 490=220
Free 150 3/30 (2 days before exam) 86%=241 (according to WikiTestPrep)
NBME 6 night before exam 560=236