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Why don't you just consider why it feels like the 1930s? Do you know the history of 1930s in Europe? Do you know how a lot of Jews felt safe, especially in Germany, where they were respected citizens, bankers, and even industrialists? They used to think that antisemitism was all just noise, for a very long time (the fable about boiling the frog). And, yes, the ultrawoke and the way they hate on whites (see Critical Race Theory), and the way American society just accepts it (see racists made into university professors for their racism), as if it were normal or OK, remind me of the Nazis hating Jews. Let's not mention Twitter "celebrities" who not only think it's OK to talk about whites as disgusting, but also get hired by the NY Times (imagine the same thing the other way round). And again, without anybody protesting on the left, because, hey, it must be open season at hating whites for what their forefathers have done, generations ago. I get the historical frustrations, but this is so unAmerican, blaming the son for the sins of the father. If you think I'm exaggerating, invert, and walk a mile in the other side's shoes. There may be better comparisons than Germany; this was the first that came to my mind, back then. Why bring it up, months later, if not for the sake of conflict?
I implore you to keep using this tortured analogy in your valiant defense of white men in 2021 America... because the analogy's sheer incomprehensibility, historical inaccuracy, and, ultimately, offensiveness does nothing but weaken the argument you're trying to make. White men in America never have been analogous to Jews in the 1930s, and until they are specifically having their shop windows destroyed, their assets seized, they're marked as outsiders, and then systematically rounded up and genocided by the woke gestapo and SS, your comparison will remain willfully ignorant.

Do us all a favor and don't make comparisons to genocide unless the comparison is actually genocide.
Also, you have a strong tendency to extrapolate what you think people have said, or taking things out of context. AKA "putting words in people's mouths". You seem to make up your mind about people, and then keep spewing that narrative, and harassing people, like a bully. I am not the only person to point it out to you. Stop doing it, and also stop quoting every little detail and sentence the other person has ever said just to "prove" your point; it's malicious, and should have no place in polite and friendly discussion. We are not prosecuting each other. And we all make mistakes, especially in the heat of a contradictory discussion.
I really am surprised by how you can make such logically consistent points in clinical contexts, but just totally whiff when the topic shifts. Because look at the contradiction you're making: on one hand, you're accusing me of putting words in people's mouths, and then in the very next breath you're attempting to fault me for quoting what you say and then replying to your own words!

You can't have it both ways, FFP. Ultimately, you're frustrated that your own words are what are so damning, and I suggest you say something different rather than blaming those who just throw your own words back in your face.

In regard to being a bully, that really does give me a hearty chuckle, considering the accusation is coming from someone who not only might be the number one forum bully, but who, indeed, is one that usually targets posters lower in the hierarchy like medical students and residents who don't know any better.
Regarding Europe and Muslims, there are many issues, but the main one is mixing a large population that strongly believes in 7th century tenets of a religion that still advocates killing or converting through violence and has little respect for modern human rights, with a modern secular and Christian one. Let's not mention all the religious wars Europe has fought with the Muslims, or the continuous mistreatment of Christians in many Muslim countries. I would advise you to read Ayaan Hirsi Ali's books about Islam. Many (most?) Muslims are simply not ready to live in a secular Europe. Of course there are exceptions, and smart people who would benefit any country that would accept them. That should go without saying. Again, it's a matter of reading other people's posts maliciously, or with the benefit of the doubt. And let's not a mention that 99% of these people come illegally, across the Mediterranean, wheat and chaff together.

I don't know if you're a Muslim or not, but don't take this personally. Consider things rationally, from the other side's point of view. Again, assume that the other side is rational, not just emotional. Usually there is no smoke without fire. And if you're Muslim, and want to be my friend, and even educate me about where I am wrong, in a friendly dispassionate objective fashion, you're welcome to do it.
I'm struck by the irony that you implore me to think rationally, but given your bias your mind immediately jumps to the prospect that I could only defend Muslims if I was a Muslim. I am not a Muslim, nor was I raised as a Muslim. I'm an atheist, and I find the tenets of fundamentalist Islam to be as absurd if not more so than those of other fundamentalist religions.

But being rational and unbiased means giving individuals a fair shake. It’s something you profess to do, but which you actually don't when it comes to groups which aren't your sacred cows, i.e. Muslims. Your bias has been demonstrated because you ignore that not all Muslims shun or are incapable of assimilating. You ignore polling that shows that 70% of Western Europe has a favorable view of Muslims. You ignore the comments of the leaders of the UK, France, Germany when they say that immigration is a good thing. Instead, you ignore the majority data points in favor of puppeting the radical right wing fringe like Le Pen, Wilders, Farage, etc.
And yes, I defended GA8314 because I felt he was banned for just a few debatable posts, mostly for being unPC. I understand how annoying his veneration for European culture can be, but again, invert. There are a ton of people who are downright being celebrated for spitting on said European culture, or removing it from educational curriculums.

This is America, not the Soviet Union or Mao's China, there should be no thoughtcrime, just dialogue about anything and everything, especially on a forum of highly-educated people. If not even on the physician sections of SDN, where?

People should not have to wear muzzles to protect other people's "feelings". It's a jungle out there, in the real world, outside America. Empires don't care about feelings, neither do dictators. Neither do other countries which would love to destroy us and our lifestyle, which hate our liberties and our prosperity. We already have generations of softies, who wear virtual diapers at adult age, who don't know how to deal with life's challenges, who think that insuccesses equal discrimination; the last thing they need is more ultra woke babying. The one thing they are world class at is hating the older generations, their forefathers, and everything those have built in this country, as many of our national enemies do. And all we do is pile more on, by spoiling them even as adults. When, especially in healthcare, they will need such a thick skin.

P.S. Edited for clarity.
One might have thought @chocomorsel was psychic when she said that you're faking about taking a break and abstaining from political posting. But of course she's not psychic- you're just woefully predictable in that your posts build to an outrageous climax of offensiveness, you say you're done, and then of course you come back to start the cycle over again.

But, since you are so predictable, I screen capped the last outrageous outburst you had and then subsequently deleted before you decided to take another "break" the night before last, which lasted all of 5 minutes. Please, allow me to exercise my "free speech" and make sure everyone knows how you really feel:

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Politicians and celebrities getting cancelled should be in a whole other category than that of people not in the spotlight. The former are attention ****** who are asking for it. Your average Joe or Jane though? We need protections for them
 
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Politicians and celebrities getting cancelled should be in a whole other category than that of people not in the spotlight. The former are attention ****** who are asking for it. Your average Joe or Jane though? We need protections for them

Really?
 
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In regard to being a bully, that really does give me a hearty chuckle, considering the accusation is coming from someone who not only might be the number one forum bully, but who, indeed, is one that usually targets posters lower in the hierarchy like medical students and residents who don't know any better.


One might have thought @chocomorsel was psychic when she said that you're faking about taking a break and abstaining from political posting. But of course she's not psychic- you're just woefully predictable in that your posts build to an outrageous climax of offensiveness, you say you're done, and then of course you come back to start the cycle over again.

But, since you are so predictable, I screen capped the last outrageous outburst you had and then subsequently deleted before you decided to take another "break" the night before last, which lasted all of 5 minutes. Please, allow me to exercise my "free speech" and make sure everyone knows how you really feel:

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I respect both those posters but full context is warranted here since you are trying to assassinate.... a coupla posts later this was clarified by the OP as a Salty-esque attempt at sarcasm that not everyone saw and missed the mark. I don’t believe there is any reason to doubt that.
 
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I respect both those posters but full context is warranted here since you are trying to assassinate.... a coupla posts later this was clarified by the OP as a Salty-esque attempt at sarcasm that not everyone saw and missed the mark. I don’t believe there is any reason to doubt that.
Attempt to assassinate? Gimme a break, champ.

It's obvious from his post it's sarcasm (did anyone think he was literally suggesting Salty cut off his own johnson?). The degree to which he thinks using such absurd and obscene rhetorical examples to make his point about the "victimhood" of white males is the outrageous part.
 
I respect both those posters but full context is warranted here since you are trying to assassinate.... a coupla posts later this was clarified by the OP as a Salty-esque attempt at sarcasm that not everyone saw and missed the mark. I don’t believe there is any reason to doubt that.
Dude... He's the kind of person who never misses a fight, walks away from a fight, and never allows others to walk away from it either.

I'll let you discover the English word for that. Not witchhunter, not macho man, not Trump, getting warmer...

To quote a classic: "1) Never admit you’re wrong. 2) If they attack you, counterattack viciously. 3) When you’re in trouble, distract and divert attention." Yep, that's him.
 
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This is what you came up with, in more than 24 hours?

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I was actually taking you seriously and trying to have an adult conversation, but then you reminded me of my trainees, when they contradict me about stuff they have read about in their "evidence-based" books, and I have seen in real life. Like when they are super-convinced that giving high concentration O2 to a COPD-er will put him into hypercarbia and apnea. Because that's what their books say.
And then it hit me, something that should have been obvious, a long time ago: I'm actually debating (again) a Social Justice Warrior (as if I didn't grow up in Marxist brainwash myself). The kind of person who talks about things he mostly has just read about. I talk about Europe as a European, and about the 30s as one whose family have witnessed them; my grandma was having nightmares 50 years later. And then a US-born/raised person of Asian ancestry is trying to give ME lessons? Especially about what qualifies as extremism in Europe (or elsewhere)? Dude! :rofl:

Regarding the massive and illegal Muslim immigration, I don't think even most Eastern Europeans belong in Western Europe, en masse, and neither did the EU until about 20 years ago. It's a matter of mixing oil with water, of destabilizing. Brexit happened for a reason, and I'm not sure the Easterners helped. And the last thing EU (and the world needs) is even more instability in Europe, the place that started only all world wars, and still hasn't calmed down (see Bosnia, see Crimea). A lot of Europeans can see that, because they know their history (and haven't been brainwashed by the ultra woke). It's been just 25 years since the last religious war
Believe it not, I actually do sometimes have some responsibilities away from this forum which require my attention (notice I didn't really reply to you or anything else here substantively in 24h), but of course you're such a narcissistic that you probably didn't notice.

Also, don't kid yourself. You're not trying to take anyone who disagrees with you seriously. It's all the same-old-same-old with your disregard of any facts followed by a "woke SJW Marxist socialist communist illiberal" ad hominem that you regurgitate endlessly now. I mean, good god, since you went down this "intellectual dark web" rabbit hole it appears you haven't posited a thought unless it came straight from the mouth of Andrew Sullivan or Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris or one of their gang.
Your going through the trash proves MY character? You think unearthing a sarcasm that I deleted within about 10 minutes (even asked @SaltyDog to delete the quote) so that the ultra woke SJWs are not offended, and we don't have even more scandal (something you never seem to worry about), proves anything about ME? How many points does that get you?

And, finally, I don't know where you got the idea of me leaving, but "Hasta la vista" means "Until the next time/See you (later)". And, guess what? People don't come or go based on when your highness wants it. And I can change my mind. Why don't YOU take a break? You think nobody would appreciate?

Had you checked, you would have noticed that I wasn't here for 5 months last year (even choco sent me a Welcome back message), and it will probably happen again. I still have friends here, people I enjoy chatting with, and I'm glad that the moderators still want me around (I wasn't sure of that lately), but it's a royal waste of time.

So I'll make a bet with you: I'll stop posting for as long as you do, just say the word. I still care enough about this forum to do that (remove both of our unpleasant personalities). Let us know what you decide, you blameless "warrior".
Thank you for proving my point that you didn't delete the post I screenshotted because *you* actually felt any guilt or believed that its content, sarcastic or not, was outlandish, unfair, and inappropriate. But rather, you only did so "so that the ultra woke SJWs are not offended."

See, I know that those rhetorical sentiments you expressed during your outburst actually reflect the true degree to which you think white males are being victimized by everyone nowadays, but you would rather operate under the pretense of being measured and merely concerned about PC and woke and things of that nature.

Honestly, nowadays I don't want you to stop posting in political threads. I had no clue how much this sort of "white men are now the victims" ideology had taken hold, so it's good that whenever you chime in with your insanity we can at least take a reading of the barometer.
 
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Believe it not, I actually do sometimes have some responsibilities away from this forum which require my attention (notice I didn't really reply to you or anything else here substantively in 24h), but of course you're such a narcissistic that you probably didn't notice.

Also, don't kid yourself. You're not trying to take anyone who disagrees with you seriously. It's all the same-old-same-old with your disregard of any facts followed by a "woke SJW Marxist socialist communist illiberal" ad hominem that you regurgitate endlessly now. I mean, good god, since you went down this "intellectual dark web" rabbit hole it appears you haven't posited a thought unless it came straight from the mouth of Andrew Sullivan or Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris or one of their gang.

Thank you for proving my point that you didn't delete the post I screenshotted because *you* actually felt any guilt or believed that its content, sarcastic or not, was outlandish, unfair, and inappropriate. But rather, you only did so "so that the ultra woke SJWs are not offended."

See, I know that those rhetorical sentiments you expressed during your outburst actually reflect the true degree to which you think white males are being victimized by everyone nowadays, but you would rather operate under the pretense of being measured and merely concerned about PC and woke and things of that nature.

Honestly, nowadays I don't want you to stop posting in political threads. I had no clue how much this sort of "white men are now the victims" ideology had taken hold, so it's good that whenever you chime in with your insanity we can at least take a reading of the barometer.
Hypocrite. No, that's not the word for the previous post, either, but thanks for proving my points.

You complain when I don't leave the forum, but you admit you want me to stay. But still you create scandal about me not leaving.
You've been told innumerable times not to put words in people's mouths and not to prejudge intent maliciously, and still you do it. More scandal.
You're awfully off-topic here. We both are. It doesn't bother you, because... scandal.

The only reason I'm still here is to prove to everybody that you have a pathological need for scandal, and always having the last word. Prove me wrong.

So let me offer you another form of armistice: we both walk away from the political threads. I mean, no more scandal. Is that compatible with your survival? Again, just say the words.
 
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Hypocrite. No, that's not the word for the previous post, either.
You're right, it's not the word. And you're so divorced from reality at this point that no matter what I wrote you would've thought it proved your point.

But anyway, you'll let us know when WWIII starts against all the defenseless white men in the intellectual dark web, right? Wouldn't want to miss it.

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To answer the massive edit you did well after the fact (one of your standard techniques): I have absolutely no dog in the race regarding whether you leave or not. I have never asked you to leave. I commented on the fact that you're a primadonna who is always threatening to leave or occasionally sometimes does take a break but who always comes back for more. Imo I don't care which you do, but I'd rather you make up your mind, aka sht or get off the pot.

And regarding the nonsense you wrote below, I really have no idea in which fantasy world you invented 1, 2, or 3. It is notable, though, that you had no response to my assertion that you're entangled in a massive contradiction when you accuse me of taking you out of context and *simultaneously* directly quoting you too much. I maintain that your own words are the problem, but you're unable to accept that reality so you deflect.

And unlike you, I don't, per se, have the need to take a break from political threads, nor have I thought it was really in my best interest or the forums' since most of my severe disagreements have been with hardcore trump trolls. Furthermore, I say what I think, but I at least try to provide evidence for my claims, which of course you mock by putting the word evidence in quotes because you think you know it all. I also don't have a history like you of having outrageous outbursts and then going back to wildly edit my posts or delete them altogether because the foot went too far in the mouth. Ultimately, the fact that you think we both needs breaks is founded upon nothing but your projection.
 
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You're right, it's not the word. And you're so divorced from reality at this point that no matter what I wrote you would've thought it proved your point.

But anyway, you'll let us know when WWIII starts against all the defenseless white men in the intellectual dark web, right? Wouldn't want to miss it.
"1) Never admit you’re wrong. 2) If they attack you, counterattack viciously. 3) When you’re in trouble, distract and divert attention."

Back to my question: are you ready to stop making scandal in the political threads, and just walk away together?
 
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And unlike you, I don't, per se, have the need to take a break from political threads, nor have I thought it was really in my best interest or the forums' since most of my severe disagreements have been with hardcore trump trolls. Furthermore, I say what I think, but I at least try to provide evidence for my claims, which of course you mock by putting the word evidence in quotes because you think you know it all. I also don't have a history like you of having outrageous outbursts and then going back to wildly edit my posts or delete them altogether because the foot went too far in the mouth. Ultimately, the fact that you think we both needs breaks is founded upon nothing but your projection.
Dude, you have a file folder full of minute by minute screen shots of posts just chomping at the bit to throw one down like you're holding a royal flush "gotcha" moment. That is... unhealthy.

You need a break.

We all do.
 
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Dude, you have a file folder full of minute by minute screen shots of posts just chomping at the bit to throw one down like you're holding a royal flush "gotcha" moment. That is... unhealthy.

You need a break.

We all do.
In 25 years on the internet all the way back to AOL, I finally popped my "blocked" cherry with Vector. The man's annoyance could frustrate Gandhi and turn him into a mass shooter. My 2 cents is do the same.
 
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