I was 100% accurate in the general statements of my initial post. We never discussed what was "good or bad". Only that viral genetic material has a general overall plan of attaining access to a cell(s) and spending its time there until ready to move on and infect others. And that is exactly what some vaccine do, as above (
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...oing-to-kill-you.1221951/page-2#post-18196761), giving the viral genetic material a free passage to that place they want to live, causing a latent infection where there was none previously. It is a parasite living inside now, taking up resources that the body would have used for itself, causing disruption to the chain of commands given by the nucleus (make this protein sometimes, -not that one), and overall creating extra work for the immune cells which are having to produce extra immune products in order to keep symptoms from presenting in still healthy individuals. A virus is able to evolve like so many other forms of genetic material, towards an infectious trend that may promote spreading by not killing the hosts, at least not at first (think of AIDS and the delay involved) and this particular (zoster virus) is a great example of what lifetimes of configuration can lead to (a permanent, parasitic infection is possible) it is absolutely configured for this typical parasite behavior, to
not kill the host while also being
able to live there and reproduce until the "ship is sinking" (immune weakening/failure). And giving us little/no options in the mean time, as we currently do not posses the ability to send 'robots' into our cells which can excise and eliminate the actual viral components involved. One day, I hope to change that (probably not with robots though).
If ten vaccines are offered and they all cause a latent infection, do you really think that 10 new latent infections is going to help you live a healthier life? Each new viral infection you acquire is placing a demand on the body's resources and production capacity some how. Genetic material cannot just float around in a cell- it has to constantly be kept up and re-organized and re-produced to stay intact. How many copies of viral genetic material are transcribed from each infected cell, each day, towards this end in a human spinal ganglion infected with the zoster virus? And, what happens when you introduce disorder into an otherwise extremely ordered system which is already under a lot of "disorganization/mutation" pressure caused by the pre-existing conditions of life? Answer: Life will generally become more difficult for the host. This zoster infection does not have a symbiotic relationship with our body, it does not produce or give us anything useful, only more disorder which is what is generally trying to tear us apart to begin with. Second, let us consider the word "vaccine" for a minute. Currently, the zoster "vaccine" is labelled as a vaccine, yet this is something I wish to change eventually as well. I do not consider what we are discussing here (free passage to latent infection) an
actual vaccine. Although performs the duties of one; I do not appreciate the fact that the virus is allowed to survive inside the body as part of the consequence of vaccination. I will eventually suggest that we open a new category for vaccines which follow this trend and call them something else, label them as "latent infection vaccinations" or similar, so that there is a distinct difference in our terminology when considering actual vaccines (that cure infection and prevent it) and vaccines which
cause infection permanently. Apparently
some people cough* cannot tell the difference, the way things are currently, and that is an important distinction to make in my opinion.
cliffs (hinges from my first post):
some vaccine will cause a latent infection, which should be avoided unless absolutely necessary. You would not vaccinate an individual just because he/she doesn't have the infection yet; that is ludicrous, to be handing out permanent infections like that. We only do it when necessary to protect them from the other people that already have the latent infections, until a method is derived for removing it completely from the body. For example, if we send 20 people to the moon to live there for 20 years, and none of them have the zoster virus yet. You would not vaccinate all of them, or even one of them, just for the sake of doing it. They will not encounter the virus there, isolated, unless someone brings it. You would, however, bring the vaccine along just in case somebody has it already and doesn't test positive on Earth, that would be common sense, to have it available yet
restrain use until necessary,
which was the only point of my original post (common sense when dolling out latent infections). The lack of common sense/self thinking on the internet, combined with the popularity/mob mentality (3 OR 4 PEOPLE says its right/wrong so it must be everyone in the world who also think so) is unsettling.
