So....we're talking about taxes, "partisan" issues and politically polarizing news outlets now and it's totally okay. Hmm...
that's weird.
You’re correct. There was a small percentage that were granted religious or medical exemptions. It’s my understanding that a large percentage of the religious exemptions were denied.
a lot of people threaten - until it they realize the hospital won't back down and they need to pay bills.
You’re gonna have to be less cryptic.So....we're talking about taxes, "partisan" issues and politically polarizing news outlets now and it's totally okay. Hmm...
just more proof of lack of education on the topic (and history with the tuskagee comparison) - the dunning kruger effect in all of its glory
Passing something politically and it being unconstitutional are two completely different things. Vaccine mandates are constitutional. The reason we are in this mess is not because we don't have the tools or the means via legal mechanisms, we are in this mess because of primarily partisan reasons. The vaccines work, it is safe, everyone needs to get it to stop this pandemic, all healthcare institutions should mandate it, others not getting it limits my right to life/liberty/happiness, and spreading misinformation based on politics is how we travel down the road to Idiocracy.
I'm waiting for Veers to come in, clutching his pearls, and "Oh, the horror! The humanity!"
But how are they going to enforce it? Those silly cards that we all have? You can buy one on amazon and fake it.
Fair enough. That being said. I do agree with it thou.
They've already been required in some ballparks in NYC and SF (or a negative covid test) so maybe they'll use the same methods for that. I think it's healthpass by Clear, but there's multiple other options.
Dude, it's not black and white, on/off like you make it out to be. You sound like you have one speed, and say the same thing over and over. Anyone on your side is already there. Anyone contra to your side won't be converted.
I'll give you that!
But now pregnancy shouldn’t be a reason…ACOG, SMFM, etc recommend vaccination during pregnancy
Interesting since Tuskegee was that they DIDNT treat…
Is your hospital willing to accept proof of immunity in lieu of proof of vaccination?
It's already happened and already been ruled Constitutional.
When it comes to Covid and the current crop vaccines for it, documented natural immunity appears to be clearly superior to vaccine mediated immunity.
That would seem logical, but there are known cases where its more complicated than that. Measles being the prime example.
It doesn’t seem that far fetched. The body can clear the infection by responding to a lot of second-tier easily mutate-able proteins versus a highly targeted essential virus protein that the vaccine pumps out.
It's certainly possible. But I tend to believe what seems logical, until proven otherwise. Honestly, though, his question doesn't really matter that much to me. I've had the vaccine and I'm sure that in the past 2 years I've had some COVID virons in me, at some point, also. So, I'm probably double covered, which is another point people are ignoring in this issue.
That alternate explanation is possible. A lot of things are possible. But, what proof is there that that's what that happens with COVID? A bunch of hastily done studies that disagree, doesn't count.
Even if immunity from infection is better, I would rather take the vaccine and have a slightly higher risk of getting COVID A first time than getting infected in the first place and dealing with the risks of covid itself.
Well the virologists disagree and unless years of training and specialization don't matter anymore, we should be trusting the experts that say the vaccine offers more robust protection than natural immunity that comes from creating antibodies to random proteins on the virus.
How do you (or your experts) separate and compare pure vaccine-based immunity, from post-infection immunity, when tens of millions of the vaccinated certainly have also been exposed to COVID at some point, and therefore have both types of immunity?
We don't know, but why is that question even relevant? The vaccine produces a robust protection that natural immunity has not proven to. Whether vaccine + covid vs vaccine alone is better is irrelevant to whether we should be mandating the vaccine.
Bad data in equals bad data out. Bad data equals a poorer understanding.
Natural immunity doesn't offer protection? Why is it termed immunity if it doesn't offer a degree of immunity? I can't say I've really seen many people with recurrent documented COVID-19 infections whether immunized or not.
I agree that everyone should get the vaccine (duh!) I got it myself last December and got my wife and kids vaccinated very early, also. But that's very different from the scientific question of whether pure vaccine based immunity is superior to natural immunity. You can't say that, or even compare the two without knowing how many vaccinated also have naturally immunity. That's all I'm saying. In no way am I saying, "Don't get vaccinated." Everyone should get vaccinated!
Can you please provide a citation for this claim?
I also would like to see a citation for that. It's going against everything else I've read in the literature.
