I don’t have the studies on hand, but vanay prasad MD has a couple videos on YouTube going over some recent international studies suggesting that myocarditis risk in young men under 40 is higher than we initially thought, particularly with Moderna and particularly after the second shot. We actually do need to probably rethink the strategy in that demographic.
Research your source first—that physician had posted some whacky stuff and clearly has an agenda. He is completely unreliable and would avoid reading his interpretation of anything.
Too bad they’re promoting molnupiravir, which honestly sucks imo and causes a lot of problems (rightly contraindicated for pregnancy and under 18s, but frankly the drug sucks and we need something good like Paxlovid)For whatever reason Merck is not interested in making money selling ivermectin to treat Covid. Maybe they have too much money or it’s a global conspiracy. You’d think they’d be interested in crushing Pfizer and moderna.
Merck Statement on Ivermectin use During the COVID-19 Pandemic - Merck.com
KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic. Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of...www.merck.com
I agree with your general statement, though I can’t validate your numbers specifically. I didn’t say don’t vaccinate that demographic and let COVID run wild, just that we should rethink the one size fits all strategy for vaccination. Maybe keep it to Pfizer, or spread the first and second dose out more for those folks at risk of side effects from the vaccine but at lower risk from COVID relative to other demographics. Or maybe let’s not recommend boosters across the age spectrum simply because antibodies wane when we KNOW that T cell immunity is there, especially healthy young people. Just because it’s difficult to measure T cell immunity, doesn’t mean we need to jab people into oblivion to keep their antibody titer high. I think we are at a point where we need to consider some more nuance with this that’s all.
I thought about this for a while and speaking as someone who is triple vaccinated and recently having covid-like symptoms, i think i’ll take the gamble with Paxlovid unless vaccines are updated and improved on further
With half the country unvaccinated I cannot disagree more strongly. Nuance validates antivax anti-science viewpoints because every one of the people who aren't vaccinated think some sort of special exception applies to them when it doesn't. Presenting a united consistent message is absolutely crucial. If we were sitting at measles level vaccination rates and people were actually receptive to expert opinion I think you would be right but we live in a much ****tier version of the world.
There are probably other interventions that could be made with 130 million $ than could prevent more than 10 deaths / year without altering the freedom of millions of people.
What are you worried about exactly? What nuance do you think is missing that is going to inflict some great generational harm? I have seen exactly 0 cases of myocarditis from the vaccine. I have seen far more people in the 25-40 age group hospitalized from COVID. How about you?
I feel like we are talking past each other. I agree. They should be vaccinated. I’m simply stating that vaccines are held to a higher standard than normal treatments because they are given to everyone. We should respect that. There is emerging evidence that the rates of myocarditis from the vaccine in this population is possibly higher than from the virus itself, particularly with Moderna and particularly with the second shot, we should look at (ie study) slicing and dicing a little bit in the way we administer to certain populations. But the first thing we need to do is at least acknowledge that this is a legit problem because it is. I certainly don’t think we’d create more deaths by doing this and by acknowledging this limitation and correcting it I think we actually restore trust.
We don’t have time to acquire population wide rcts done correctly that take years, this pandemic is happening now. The signal you are referencing is almost at a case report level, it isn’t like every other 30 year old is suffering permanent crippling cardiac damage. We don’t even understand PASC and the role vaccination plays in that disease. Or how large the effect of not vaccinating is contributing to viral evolution.
Vaccination is the way to keep people out of the hospital
Some of you continue to point out the most basic considerations as though they haven't already been but a single part of a continual, complicated risk-benefit calculation that is evolving as more data accumulates.What's the morbidity of infection in that cohort vs the morbidity of the vaccine in that cohort?
Edit - trying to be less snarky
Here's the thing, that's not what I'm seeing though.
It is here.
It's going to be hard to apply chinese measure worldwide... and can their numbers be trusted?No it’s not the way out. Vaccine alone is not enough.
This is the actual way out. Rinse and repeat as necessary. They have 825,000 fewer dead people than the US. It’s what can be accomplished when you have leadership not beholden to the next election.
Xi'an lockdown brings heartbreak and dysfunction as political pressure to contain outbreak grows | CNN
As the locked down Chinese city of Xi'an claimed victory this week in its fight to contain the community spread of Covid-19, harrowing tales of loss and despair have emerged on social media -- highlighting the immense human cost of China's zero-Covid policy.www.cnn.com
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Do you think the lack of transparent, open discourse and discussion around these new vaccines has served to bolster support for the existing childhood vaccine schedule?
The old ad hominem. Real intellectual we have here. (See what I did
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I don't believe anything China says.
That's an odd thing to say - these vaccines are the most debated and discussed and analyzed and questioned things in our country since the JFK assassination and moon landings.
When people don't have anything specific to complain about, they complain about "communication" ... it's the hard-to-refute lazy low hanging fruit of the complaint world. If there's no substance to criticize, target the delivery.
But this other doctor who compared vaccine mandates to fascism said there is a medical conspiracy about this 100% always life threatening scary sounding complication in a group of innocent young healthy people who never get sick from the virus…
My problem with Zdogg and some of the people he has on like vinay prasad is that, in addition to the rest of their audience, their shows have found a niche of absolute dumbfk antivaxxers who follow them and who selectively latch on to some of their skepticism. And they are definitely making money off of these people...but they don't feel the responsibility to refute these people on air.
There's a wide streak of pretentious narcissism in just about every YouTuber. People who crave fame and seek to earn a living via that fame are not normal people. Actors, Instagram influencers, TikTokers, YouTubers, whatever flavor-of-the-month social media imaging platform that exists to put these people in front of the world - all of those humans deserve a wary, skeptical eye.
