From a "passion" to a "job"

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Medicine was my passion and my calling and no sacrifice seemed too great.

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I am really not trying to troll here, but perhaps anyone going into medicine who considers it a calling ought to receive counseling before continuing with their idea???? There are many similarities to mental illness and religious experience such as revelation and finding a "calling". I am saying this as someone who also considered medicine a great almost religious experience

Research indicates there may be a fronto-parietal neurologic phenomenon to explain such religious feelings http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Mystical experiences and mountains, hypoxia and the temporo-pariental junction
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


schizophrenia and mystical experiences
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7280578?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=4&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

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I am really not trying to troll here, but perhaps anyone going into medicine who considers it a calling ought to receive counseling before continuing with their idea???? There are many similarities to mental illness and religious experience such as revelation and finding a "calling". I am saying this as someone who also considered medicine a great almost religious experience

Research indicates there may be a fronto-parietal neurologic phenomenon to explain such religious feelings http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

Mystical experiences and mountains, hypoxia and the temporo-pariental junction
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...nel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


schizophrenia and mystical experiences
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7280578?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=4&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed

Doowai-

You had this totally nailed until you heard the "calling" to make this post. :( You are exactly right, the difference is between pre- and post- assessment of the value of one's job. People go into civil service (police, fire, teaching, etc) because they are passionate about the work. People sell insurance, tar roads and sweep floors because it puts food on the table. The real question is, why is it that physicians tend to be the ones who lose that "passion?"

CuriousKat-
A relative of mine is a very bright person who graduated at or near the top of her class from high school through med school. She chose EM as a specialty because it fit her lifestyle and she thought being on the front lines would be where she could make the most difference. What she's realized is that EM is a good career for her because it fits her lifestyle. She lost her passion because she deals with the dregs of society on a daily basis and now thinks she was delusional before about wanting to help people. She has considered quitting several times, but always sticks it out because nothing else she could do would allow her the flexibility/salary combination she has as an emergency physician.

This profession is doable even if you have lost your passion for medicine so long as you focus on the good parts of the job and not the bad and enjoy your life outside of work as much as possible. It isn't wrong to "just" have a job.
 
I have never known an attorney to go into law because they felt it was a calling to serve others.

I have known some attorneys who went to law school to practice family law or planned to offer their legal services free part time. I am sure most applicants to law school talk about service to community in their applications and they can't all be just motivated by it just being a job, i.e. meaning they must have some interest in the legal system or were lead to believe they would "enjoy" being a lawyer.

Is medicine a "calling" for most physicians? A calling denotes, at least in my mind, going the extra mile for somebody besides yourself, and denotes a level of self-sacrifice in a way. Many physicians leave jobs for higher pay, don't do charity work, and are mean to staff, students and residents and complain about decreasing autonomy/respect for physicians.

No doubt, many medical students are motivated to be a good physician because of a childhood experience or role model, however, considering how many physicians in the real world complain about "paper work" and as in the post above about the "low life" patients, one wonders what their original "calling" was . . .

Considering that being a physician is rewarding in that you really do get to help people, BUT that there is in general respect of physicians and good pay I think it denigrates the real "mother Teresas" of the world who work under worse conditions than a residency in the U.S.. I think a lot physicians become "disillusioned" that they aren't treated with more respect for taking up this "calling".

I think that doing global health work is great and I plan to do so, but I would realize that a good chunk of the year I would be living in the relative lap of luxury in the U.S., so I wouldn't feel that I would be able to denigrate other professions in the U.S. as being somehow beneath medicine as people only do them for "a job." We all need a job, unless we are independently wealthy so I can't look down on someone for doing something for "just a job."

In a way, having an education and being intelligent enough to be a physician is a curse. Many people work at jobs that in aggregate very useful, just as being a physician is, such as working in a landfill and having a great hobby, family and enjoying life and doing useful work. If everyone was a doctor then nothing would get done. If I wasn't good enough to be a doctor then I wouldn't be trying to figure out how to work internationally 3 months out of the year and would be happy with what would be considered an ordinary life by physicians, lucky me! Or I wouldn't have to suffer through residency.

If you are in medicine you should be happy that you have the gifts to do so, but to whom much is given, much is asked.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with just having a job, but realize that people with all sorts of jobs strive to do their best in their job, regardless of what it is, and don't do it for just a paycheck. There was a story about a woman who was in her 80's and still working as a waitress, although she didn't need to, but because she enjoyed it and customers loved her. Basically doing "menial" work not for a paycheck, but because she felt that she had value to society. I would argue that most people in their job are proud that they are doing something for society, this is NOT unique to medicine at all.
 
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Please, people, could we keep this thread reasonably collegial, and on track?

Otherwise I might have to get a REAL moderator in here to kick some a--.
OK then.
I would ask people to please be more collegial and stop beating up on poor mercapto and BD, but we've already switched topics a few more times since your post. :laugh:

FWIW, OP, I agree with the others who said that you sound burned out. It's understandable, especially if you're a trad and you've basically devoted your entire 20s to medicine. But as others have already said, stay with it. You are so close now, and once you get that residency done, you can write your own ticket. Just so you know, you are definitely not alone in how you feel. I don't know what you're doing specialty-wise. But as a third year med student, I have been on a few rotations already that made me about want to shoot myself after just a few weeks, never mind a few years. I can only imagine how I'm going to feel come intern year. :smuggrin:
 
Is medicine a "calling" for most physicians? A calling denotes, at least in my mind, going the extra mile for somebody besides yourself, and denotes a level of self-sacrifice in a way. Many physicians leave jobs for higher pay, don't do charity work, and are mean to staff, students and residents and complain about decreasing autonomy/respect for physicians.
I'd say my profession has a degree of self-sacrifice and does involve going the extra mile for someone besides myself. Is it only a calling, then, when one does it without complaint? Mother Teresa even questioned her faith for a period of time, yet she continued to do her work, and I doubt most would deny she had a calling.

No doubt, many medical students are motivated to be a good physician because of a childhood experience or role model, however, considering how many physicians in the real world complain about "paper work" and as in the post above about the "low life" patients, one wonders what their original "calling" was . . .
:rolleyes: Still waiting for your reply to my PM, by the way, but nice misconstruction of my words (again) to point out how much I must suck.

...so I wouldn't feel that I would be able to denigrate other professions in the U.S. as being somehow beneath medicine as people only do them for "a job."
I don't think that was the intent, but rather she was saying that we (as people going into medicine) put our chosen profession on a pedestal and that other professions do not do this. If anything, she was trying to put medicine on the same level as every other job, pointing out there is no reason for our vaunted perception of our profession.
 
If you are in medicine you should be happy that you have the gifts to do so, but to whom much is given, much is asked.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with just having a job, but realize that people with all sorts of jobs strive to do their best in their job, regardless of what it is, and don't do it for just a paycheck. There was a story about a woman who was in her 80's and still working as a waitress, although she didn't need to, but because she enjoyed it and customers loved her. Basically doing "menial" work not for a paycheck, but because she felt that she had value to society. I would argue that most people in their job are proud that they are doing something for society, this is NOT unique to medicine at all.

I do know some people who were basically given the education : parents paid for it, were admitted because of social contacts and who they knew, were naturally gifted scholars who overcame little to no adversity to accomplish whatever it is they do in medicine. NOTHING was given me.

I would wager for every waitress like that there are 10 who spit in someones food.

To the OP, I was in a health profession that was rather limited in scope for almost 20 years - I recreated my practice several times, changing whom I marketed to, how billing was done and what services I performed. It staved off burn out in what really is a rather boring licensed health care profession.
 
concrete with the reading comprehension of a troglodyte . . . "Harbor illusions" does not mean I *believe* that the notion of rewarding, altruistic dimensions to medical practice is, in fact, illusory. That was a sardonic usage.
If you read any more of Wittgenstein besides your pithy little signature you might agree.

Finally, as far as other professions go: for the most part, the big status, money-making professions harbor no illusions that what they do is instrinsically valuable. My BigLaw colleagues might say they are upholding the principle of justice or whatnot, but no one gets warm fuzzies helping big corporations sue each other.

I hope that wasn't too "abstract" or "philosophical" to be followed. I can easily run it through Microsoft Word's Fleish-Kincaid program to knock it down a few levels if so. I have no idea why you responded all ad hominem (from the Latin: ad, ablative case marker meaning "towards," "hominem," man = a subjective attack on character rather than content) but I really thought it came out of nowhere.

I was not an english major, but I am not a troglodyte.

I did make Phi Beta Kappa and I do write part-time. I have heard people say, "Let us not harbor any illusions . . . " about such and such. Illusions are falsehoods. By stating that we in medicine harbor illusions about our work being instrinsically important you are in effect implying that doctors harbor illusions i.e. falsehoods about the practice of medicine being rewarding and enjoyable.

Your words and tone don't convey the meaning you intended. I don't think my comprehension of the english language is the problem here. Your should realize BD how condescending your tone is, maybe you are trying to be sardonic, but it sure isn't coming off that way.

What is apparent is that you look down on non-medical professions as being populated by people just looking for a paycheck. For many students at schools such as Columbia, the pay of the future specialty is a deciding factor. You also give the impression of looking down on people who don't have your "bona fides" or future, i.e. currently non-existent international health work you plan to do in the field of pediatric plastic surgery.

I have done international health work, and will do a lot of it in the future, but lots of different types of people are involved in it besides doctors and I don't look down on them.

There are many CEOs and bankers who work for smaller salaries or no salaries just so they can run their bank/corporation according to their vision. And there are plenty of lawyers who do good work for NGOs, . . . so again I think your generalizations, and they are that i.e. generalizations and stereotypes of other professions are wrong and childish and I would expect more from someone who has had your education.

One of the biggest players in global health is Bill Gates, who you would probably characterize as just wanting microsoft to make money and monopolize operating systems if not for his global initiative which could potentially do more good in global health than a thousand plastic surgeons could in their life times.

We are not stupid on this forum, and I feel that your "abstract" and "philosophical" post is nothing more than pseudo-intellectualism.

Being in medicine means not looking down on your patients as "low lifes" or people who are just in their profession to make a paycheck. You can't take good care of people IMHO if you have this opinion of everyone outside of medicine.
 
NOTHING was given me.

Things were given to you, or at least you had the following advantages:

1. Had the intelligence to make if through medical school, college. Not everybody sadly has these capabilities.

2. Presumably live in and grew up in a developed/relatively prosperous country like the U.S. If you were living on the streets with your family in say India, would you have the same opportunities?

3. Survived childhood, i.e. didn't die from malnutrition or from a disease such as leukemia.
 
, i.e. currently non-existent international health work you plan to do in the field of pediatric plastic surgery.

I'm really trying to stay out of this as much as possible, but cleft palate anyone?
 
I was not an english major, but I am not a troglodyte.

Darth, none of that was directed towards you, but to the idiot third year who was tooling on me for not being a resident and who couldn't be bothered to read my posts properly.

What is apparent is that you look down on non-medical professions as being populated by people just looking for a paycheck.
I absolutely do NOT look down on non-medical professions. As I said, I was talking about big-ticket jobs, but even so-- how on earth is it snobbish to say that most people (quoting Socialist) who sell insurance, tar roads and sweep floors don't find their work to have anything but instrumental value? I won't bang on about myself, but trust me, I am no elitist. I come from one of the poorest states in the country. Most of my extended family still work in the coal mines and drive dump trucks back in the mountains.

For many students at schools such as Columbia, the pay of the future specialty is a deciding factor.
I have been open on SDN about where I go to medical school since I think it's helpful. I also have been open about what I perceive to be its shortcomings, namely the emphasis on pedigree. For some reason people have taken that and run all the way to frickin' China with it.

You also give the impression of looking down on people who don't have your "bona fides" or future, i.e. currently non-existent international health work you plan to do in the field of pediatric plastic surgery.
As I said above, I do not expect people to be able to give up the financial side of medicine as easily. I wrote what I did about my motivations to rebut the aforementioned idiot third year who was comparing me to Dr. Rey.

Likewise, I have openly talked about my JOBS before medical school in global health. I was a consultant to various NGOs and Ministries of Health on infectious disease epidemics. The first baby I delivered, dead, was in Haiti. The first brain tumor I diagnosed was in Mali. The first wound I sutured was in Uganda. Global health is my passion and it is why I went to medical school-- and to be honest I'm very sensitive about being perceived as nothing more than a future boob job doc.

There are many CEOs and bankers who work for smaller salaries or no salaries just so they can run their bank/corporation according to their vision. And there are plenty of lawyers who do good work for NGOs, . . . so again I think your generalizations, and they are that i.e. generalizations and stereotypes of other professions are wrong and childish and I would expect more from someone who has had your education.
No, there aren't.

Living in New York, I'm surrounded by some of the most venal people on earth. For every idealistic young law school grad who promises to become a public defender or work at a nonprofit, there are 50 who want nothing more than to be corporate clones at a BigLaw firm. Don't even get me started about Wall Street. I guess it's true that I have a low opinion of people who worship money-- not make it, but worship it.

We are not stupid on this forum, and I feel that your "abstract" and "philosophical" post is nothing more than pseudo-intellectualism.
No one is stupid on this forum. If they were, well, that sucks, but it certainly wouldn't anger me. Stupidity is not a moral failing. Narcissistic condesenscion IS. (Not on your part, Darth, you seem like a nice guy and I wish you all the best in the residecny match this year).

I put in the Greek and Latin parsing of 'troglodyte' and 'ad hominem' just to piss that guy off. Childish, I know.
 
I'm very sensitive about being perceived as nothing more than a future boob job doc.

You're on SDN, and you've been posting a while, yet you're not used to it? Regardless, I admire your spunk.

To say you're not elitist though is sort of trying to distance you from part of yourself, that I believe is intrinsically you. If I were you I'd embrace it and acknowledge it rather than try to distance myself from it. You think Paul Farmer doesn't take pride in the fact that went to Duke and then Harvard? You likely chose Columbia over your State U., and understandably so, but why? You're choosing plastics over FM/IM/OB, when we should all agree what 3rd world countries need are willing well-rounded docs, and now! Why? Last I checked, you proudly display your laundry list of educational accolades on a site of overachievers constantly trying to one-up one another. Why?

Look, I'm sure you've given perfectly logical explanations to my rhetorical questions, and likely in this thread, but I have neither the time nor energy to read through it. But I do, on skimming your posts, get a sense of your elitism. I couldn't care less though, I just want you to embrace it. Be proud of it.
 
What the hell are you guys arguing about when you should be heading to Miami Biaatch.
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Things were given to you, or at least you had the following advantages:

1. Had the intelligence to make if through medical school, college. Not everybody sadly has these capabilities.

2. Presumably live in and grew up in a developed/relatively prosperous country like the U.S. If you were living on the streets with your family in say India, would you have the same opportunities?

3. Survived childhood, i.e. didn't die from malnutrition or from a disease such as leukemia.

1. More people have the intelligence for medical school than try to go to medical school. Making it through medical school does not take as much intelligence as many assume - I am certainly one example. Its a shame that so many intelligent people do not even consider going into medicine. There is a huge difference between educated and smart. What I gained in school was certainly not given to me.
2. maybe better if growing up in India
3. I did survive childhood - having a guy bring a gun to shoot me in 9th grade, being held down by one guy and at the point of a shot gun by another guy who were both tripping on LSD in 4th grade, as a passenger going through the windshield of a car after flipping end over end 3 times (never went- or was taken - to a doctor for that) when I was 16, beat up and thrown down a flight of stairs while in grade school, on two occassions fighting 3 guys against me at the same time and many other things. Okay, surviving the car wreck was given to me by sheer happenstance-grace of God or whatever, but I pretty much survived the rest by my own wits and guts and toughness - teachers, and others who should have had my welfare in mind certainly did nothing to assist me. Oh well it is what it is

Your should realize BD how condescending your tone is,

In BD's defense I think she realizes how condescending she is

What is apparent is that you look down on non-medical professions as being populated by people just looking for a paycheck.

Maybe being a non-trad FMG its different for me, than for a traditional AMG - most of my class gave up successful careers to go into medicine. I know many of us now shake our heads in disbelief...

There are many CEOs and bankers who work for smaller salaries or no salaries just so they can run their bank/corporation according to their vision.

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One of the biggest players in global health is Bill Gates, who you would probably characterize as just wanting microsoft to make money and monopolize operating systems if not for his global initiative which could potentially do more good in global health than a thousand plastic surgeons could in their life times.

Greed certainly does more for the world than a million monks sitting in a monastary reading scriptures. The greedy man might start a business for the sake of amassing wealth - as a result he hires people to work for him providing jobs, he pays all sorts of taxes, buys all sorts of things to run the business. In essence his greed creates economy. The monk sits in a robe he wove from thread he loomed himself (all self sufficient), eating food the monks raised in a garden they tend to, then sit and read scriptures all day - for all their "goodness" the monks do nothing. So yes, pure greed does more for the world than clergy. None the less, I personally have never known an attorney or construction worker to consider their chosen occupations a calling, except in retrospect. I have known a good many doctors to GO INTO medicine as a calling.


Being in medicine means not looking down on your patients as "low lifes" or people who are just in their profession to make a paycheck. You can't take good care of people IMHO if you have this opinion of everyone outside of medicine.

You can certainly take "good" care of people in medicine and look down on them, or even hate them. Being a "care taker" is very different than being a nurturer. Many MD's I have seen have complete disdain for their patients - I have listened to EM doctors talk at length about how what a patient needed was 7 CC's of air injected slowly a CC at a time - yet they are still "in medicine". Taking "good care" of people in medicine at this point in time is all about following algorhthyms - if A then do B, if C occurs follow up with D and so forth. I think those that go into medicine start off looking at patients as people to care for - unfortunately the medical education process makes some stop caring. Its really a shame.

 
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I absolutely do NOT look down on non-medical professions. As I said, I was talking about big-ticket jobs, but even so-- how on earth is it snobbish to say that most people (quoting Socialist) who sell insurance, tar roads and sweep floors don't find their work to have anything but instrumental value?

Global health is my passion and it is why I went to medical school-- and to be honest I'm very sensitive about being perceived as nothing more than a future boob job doc.

OK, I wasn't trying to specifically attack anyone, but I guess I'm sorry if this became a flame. The point I was trying to make was while doctors feel that medicine is very important and indispensable, i.e. having healthcare does save lives, however if there weren't teachers there wouldn't be any doctors, and if there weren't road workers there wouldn't be any roads.

It is misleading to say that doctor's work is somehow more important than other fields, it is like comparing apples and oranges. If *nobody* did road repairs there would be more accidents presumably on highways, patients wouldn't be able to get to hospitals as quickly and die in route, and it would cost more to buy everything from antibiotics to food. You can look at one road worker and say that his work just has "instrumental value", whatever that is, but also, if a doctor retires there is another one to take his/her place and it isn't the end of the world.

Or worse, if you are a "below-average" doctor are you helping society? Say you are a "below-average" plastic surgeon, sure you can do all sorts of reconstructive surgeries, but in the end you aren't as good as your colleagues. If you quit plastic surgery wouldn't this bring up the average level of performance of your colleagues?? Probably so. So who is doing more instrinsically valuable work the below-average plastic surgeon or the business executive who runs the business well to provide healthcare for all his workers and donates to charity?

We have all seen poor attendings and medical students who are focused on their bottom-line or who don't take the time to listen to patients or don't stay current with the literature or are just plain bad physicians. I am sure they feel they are doing "instrinsically important" work, but are actually not doing as good a job as someone else would be able to do in their shoes.

Personally, I would not want to go into law or business. But I know people in these fields and they are overall nice people. Most lawyers aren't making millions of dollars a year, many do rather mundane work, which is however essential to the running of a democratic society believe it or not.

New York is the financial capital of the world, (London is a close second), and yes, business firms do in general focus on the bottom line, they sort of have to if they want to stay in business. However, even though I wouldn't want to become a business person, I realize that generalizing and saying that most/all business people worship money is a misleading generalization. Innovations invested in by business people make our present day conveniences a reality.

I think that working internationally doing plastic surgery work has value and I didn't mean to denigrate that hope to do that work. Just that modern global health workers do more than parachute into a country to provide medical care, but actually economists and business people are doing a lot to help developing countries, maybe even more than doctors without borders and similar relief organizations could do.
 
It is misleading to say that doctor's work is somehow more important than other fields, it is like comparing apples and oranges. If *nobody* did road repairs there would be more accidents presumably on highways, patients wouldn't be able to get to hospitals as quickly and die in route, .

The direction the thread took regarding the OP's initial statement that he got into medicine because he/she felt it was a "calling", had nothing to do with the importance of the work.

Picking up garbage is arguably as important - in fact all the advancements in pharmaceuticals have done less to extend length and quality of life compared to improvements in sanitation, transportation and refrigeration. Lack of sanitation was largely responsible for the black plague which decimated a greater percentage of lives than any vaccine has saved. So arguably a garbage or sewage worker has a greater impact on health. Thats not the point of the original post: do garbage men go into sanitation as the result of experiencing some calling. NO. A resounding NO.

As a result they suffer little to no dissillusionment with the "career". Has anyone heard a garbage man, after a few years on the job say "I really am dissillussioned and think I will quit. I took this job because I felt it was a calling to pick up garbage. I really thought it would be more fullfilling." NO. But there is a similar post in this vain from a medical student, medical doctor or resident in this forum EVERY MONTH. This dissillusionment in medicine is fairly common and pervasive.

Perhaps the only other career that I have heard express so much loss of vision is teaching. I have heard ALOT of teachers who went into teaching because they wanted to give of themselves - and after a student attacks them in class (youtube student attacks teacher sometime) , or tells them to shut the F up, or flips them off, or calls them names, or an entire class shows no interest in the subject (and who wouldn't expect inner city teens to be excited about geography????); the teacher then suffers a loss of purpose.

Many MD's go into medicine hoping to make a difference, suffer marked adversity from matching, to malignant programs, to lack of gratitude for sometimes heroic efforts like bagging a patient for extended periods etc - and lose sense of meaning.

So how are they supposed to "keep on, keeping on" when that happens? Its not a matter of whose job is more important - but how do we keep from losing individuals in whom ALOT has been invested to create the final product - a licensed MD.
 
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I have argued with blue collar or even dirt collar friends about why medicine enjoys higher income. A garbage collecting friend of mine feels entitled to a 6 figure income because of the importance of his work - he wants to go on strike - let society feel how important garbage collection is after letting garbage pile up for a few months. Its not that garbage collection is less important - its really a matter of how long it takes to train the people for the job. I could probably pick up garbage successfully after a day of training. How long would it take my garbage collecting friend to learn how to pick and choose proper antibiotics, anti-hyperglycemics, anti-hypertensives, how to select skin lesions worthy of biopsy and perform biopsy, etc - and that is just general medicine. The higher income reflects the value of the training not the value of the job.

The only reason garbage men command the salaries they do is because of unions - I wish we could bypass union controls and allow illegal immigrants to do the job. A day after garbage men went on strike, we could have illegals ready to do the job, and glad to have the income AND the benefits. I say - good, let em have the job. Unions have outlived their usefulness. We could boost the economy , have great garbage collection, and save tax money by letting illegals have the job.

None the less, I am sure more MD's experience burn out and loss of meaning compared to garbage men. I am sure constructions workers and other blue collar workers experience boredom etc - but I doubt many go from feeling their job is a calling to feeling dissappointment because they expected so much more from their profession.

okay ....NOW DONE haha
 
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Hey all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm having a "mid-training crisis" and was hoping for some guidance or perspective. I'm currently a PGY-2 in a competitive field. Great program, great people, no issues there. My one goal since childhood has been to become a physician. I saw becoming a physician as the ultimate achievement in life. Like many others, I prioritized getting into the best college/med school/residency over social life, family, hobbies, other life experiences. Medicine was my passion and my calling and no sacrifice seemed too great.

Fast forward a decade (I will spare you all the details). Medicine is no longer a passion. It is simply a job...a job that I dislike many days. I feel like the cost/benefit ratio of a career in medicine is favorable if you value medicine over family/friends/interests/etc. If medicine becomes a job, the long work hours/declining reimbursement/entitled patients/medicolegal climate/stressful work/etc make the cost/benefit ratio, in my opinion, very unfavorable.

After accepting this realization, that medicine simply isn't "worth it," I have had some difficulty dealing with the time I have lost the last 6 years. Even more troubling, I realize I have a few more years before I could have a more normal life. Unfortunately, for me, working and studying 80 hours/week is simply not compatable with much of a social life. If I had any extra time, I would prefer to sleep 8 hours a night rather than 6.

My biggest motivation at the moment is an ethical obligation to become the best physician I can be even if I regret pursuing medicine in the first place. Of course debt is also an issue. The only light at the end of the tunnel for me is the ability to work half the year or less when I'm done and still do well enough financially. With all of the time spent, it seems like a waste.

Long story I know. My question is, for those of you who lost your passion for medicine, how did you deal with it? Did you ever get the passion back? How do you deal with the regret of pursuing medicine in the first place?

I am committed to becoming the best physician I can be, again primarily out of ethical considerations to society and a personal commitment to do my best. I'm just not sure how to continue my career with this baggage.

youre a late comer to these ranks I lost it completely my third year and it got worse during residency.. I managed to finish. anyway, i dont think about it. I just shut myself off before i go to work and turn myself on when i leave. I wont let the system devour me. I treat it as a job and nothing more.

so to deal with it.. you dont. just treat it as a job and nothing else. come in at said time and leave w hen you are done. I dont mix with other attendings. I dont go out of my way to talk to other docs. WHen i consult them its just business and thats it i move on. I dont try to change anything, just survive and get the **** out until i find something better to do with my life. peace out
 
OK. Final go-around and we're done.

It is misleading to say that doctor's work is somehow more important than other fields, it is like comparing apples and oranges.

This is the central misunderstanding. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT DOCTORS' WORK IS MORE IMPORTANT. That's a subjective value judgment. What we are saying is that doctors often FEEL THEIR WORK HAS INTRINSIC VALUE (another subjective value judgment)-- and, as Doowai excellently pointed out, that many doctors subsequently become disillusioned and decide that their work does not, in fact, have intrinsic value, but instead is "like any other job." This provokes a crisis of identity as illustrated by the original poster in this thread.

People in other jobs often (but not always! No generalizations here!) FEEL THEIR WORK HAS INSTRUMENTAL VALUE ONLY. The OP has come to feel this way about anesthesia. However, they do not feel that their work is unimportant. They do not become disillusioned (as Doowai said) because they never held illusions of intrinsic worth. But they still have pride in doing a good job, faith that their work is important to the proper functioning of society, and technical, difficult-to-acquire skills and expertise not shared by the rest of the population.
Bottom line: no subjective, moral judgements here of relative importance. None. Just talking about the general perception that doctors feel their work is intrinsically valuable (i.e. "a calling") in a way many other jobs are not.

So who is doing more instrinsically valuable work the below-average plastic surgeon or the business executive who runs the business well to provide healthcare for all his workers and donates to charity?

Here you are describing the instrumental value of money, which is irrelevant.

We have all seen poor attendings and medical students who are focused on their bottom-line or who don't take the time to listen to patients or don't stay current with the literature or are just plain bad physicians. I am sure they feel they are doing "instrinsically important" work, but are actually not doing as good a job as someone else would be able to do in their shoes.

Here you are describing people who are doing work deemed intrinsically valuable, but not doing it maximally well. Are you arguing that doing sub-par, intrinsically valuable work somehow negates its value? I don't see the connection, myself.

But I know people in these fields and they are overall nice people.

Yes, they are nice people. Which is a subjective character judgment that has no bearing on the instrinsic value of their work, which is what is being debated here.

Most lawyers aren't making millions of dollars a year, many do rather mundane work, which is however essential to the running of a democratic society believe it or not.

Remuneration is not relevant to the intrinsic value of one's work. It is practically the definition of the instrumental value, however.

Being rich does not mean one's work is less valuable and purely instrumental, or vice versa. Being non-rich does not mean one is more noble, or less important, or more valuable, or less anything. Intrinsic and instrumental value are completely separate concepts.

And I do indeed believe that justice is, in fact, important. I'm quite happy that contracts are enforcable, tax loopholes are closed, etc.

However, even though I wouldn't want to become a business person, I realize that generalizing and saying that most/all business people worship money is a misleading generalization.

Now I'm getting irritated. I did not say "all," or "most," business people worship money. I said I dislike those who do, but I did not claim to know the percentage of all people thus employed are venal to an off-putting degree.

Innovations invested in by business people make our present day conveniences a reality.

Here you are describing capitalism. Hooray, capitalism! Instrumental value for all!

I think that working internationally doing plastic surgery work has value and I didn't mean to denigrate that hope to do that work. Just that modern global health workers do more than parachute into a country to provide medical care, but actually economists and business people are doing a lot to help developing countries, maybe even more than doctors without borders and similar relief organizations could do.

I completely agree. This is a great point that I hope many MDs intersted overseas work take to heart. Which is why I hope to use my "MD toolbox" in terms of plastic surgery, and my "global health toolbox" in terms of addressing underlying health disparities, making long-term investments into health infrastructure, tranferring technology, knowledge, techniques, expertise, etc.
 
You're on SDN, and you've been posting a while, yet you're not used to it? Regardless, I admire your spunk.

To say you're not elitist though is sort of trying to distance you from part of yourself, that I believe is intrinsically you. If I were you I'd embrace it and acknowledge it rather than try to distance myself from it. You think Paul Farmer doesn't take pride in the fact that went to Duke and then Harvard? You likely chose Columbia over your State U., and understandably so, but why? You're choosing plastics over FM/IM/OB, when we should all agree what 3rd world countries need are willing well-rounded docs, and now! Why? Last I checked, you proudly display your laundry list of educational accolades on a site of overachievers constantly trying to one-up one another. Why?

I yam who I yam. But I'll answer the last bit: because everybody immediately wants to know, that's why.

Algorithm for responding to SDN posts, by BD

Poster says something I disagree with.

Question 1: Consider truth value of poster's statement.

Abort Abort Abort

Immediately divert to subprogram: where is poster training? Cannot answer question 1 without.

SubProgram 1A: Does the poster go to a medical school/ residency program considered better than mine?

YES: Poster is an elitist f***.
NO: Poster is of obviously subhuman intelligence.

Return to Main Menu.

1) Truth value of poster's statement:
if 1A is YES: Truth value = null. Such people cannot reason as they are incapable of recognizing the obvious worth, intelligence and accomplishments of others.
--> subprogram 1A.a: is poster busy smelling his own farts?
----- yes: = 1
----- no: = impossible
if 1A is NO: truth value = null. Such people cannot reason because their school's average MCAT is 3 points lower than mine. They probably aren't even typing, their minder is just messing around.
--> subprogram 1A.b: is poster an FMG? From a Caribbean school?
----- yes: start flame war immediately
----- no: [open submenu of pompous statements concerning]:
a) board scores
b) acceptance rates
c) rank list depth
d) size of p****

{please note: chance poster is correct and I am incorrect = 0}
 
youre a late comer to these ranks I lost it completely my third year and it got worse during residency.. I managed to finish. anyway, i dont think about it. I just shut myself off before i go to work and turn myself on when i leave. I wont let the system devour me. I treat it as a job and nothing more.

so to deal with it.. you dont. just treat it as a job and nothing else. come in at said time and leave w hen you are done. I dont mix with other attendings. I dont go out of my way to talk to other docs. WHen i consult them its just business and thats it i move on. I dont try to change anything, just survive and get the **** out until i find something better to do with my life. peace out

Yeah, I think I am actually pretty lucky to have had this epiphany later on. If I had felt this way as a third year, there is no way I would have made it through internship and then signed on to several additional years of specialty training. At this point, I think I can justify continuing for flexibilty and financial security.

I shared my recent revelation with a co-resident who is fairly laid back relative to other people in my program. His response, after laughing for a while: "WTF, you just started feeling like this? Dude, what is wrong with you? I've been wanting to quit since first year of med school. Hell, I'm in a ROAD specialty and it is still way too much work. I have no idea how the surgeons do it."

Anyway, I'm glad I'm just now feeling this way.
 
I completely agree. This is a great point that I hope many MDs intersted overseas work take to heart. Which is why I hope to use my "MD toolbox" in terms of plastic surgery, and my "global health toolbox" in terms of addressing underlying health disparities, making long-term investments into health infrastructure, tranferring technology, knowledge, techniques, expertise, etc.

That must be one pretty big toolbox to be able to help you with "addressing underlying health disparities, making long-term investments into health infrastructure, transferring technology, knowledge, techniques, expertise".

I do find this and the following post by BD interesting in that she does appear to have a pedigree issue or is surrounded by people at Columbia who are obsessed with pedigree and absorbed their attitude. But, in the end I think your colleagues opinions of how good a doctor you are what determines your level of recognition, and there are plenty of nationally recognized physicians who didn't go to Columbia.

I didn't even know that Columbia was nationally recognized as a good medical school until BD brought it up. The school may have a lot of research, ranked 11th, but their primary care rank is 58th, and according to US News does not rank in the top 10 medical schools. Certainly, John Hopkins does about 10 times as much global health work as Columbia . . . in the end BD should realize that elitist comments and mean comments such as outlined in her algorithm for responding to posts tarnish the reputation of her school. (I know you mean to be sardonic, but there is a grain of truth in every "joke.")
 
I didn't even know that Columbia was nationally recognized as a good medical school until BD brought it up. The school may have a lot of research, ranked 11th, but their primary care rank is 58th, and according to US News does not rank in the top 10 medical schools. Certainly, John Hopkins does about 10 times as much global health work as Columbia . . . in the end BD should realize that elitist comments and mean comments such as outlined in her algorithm for responding to posts tarnish the reputation of her school. (I know you mean to be sardonic, but there is a grain of truth in every "joke.")

Are you just trying to be an ass/pick a fight?

OOoohhh....Columbia's not even in the top 10 (11...ha, sucks to be them)...I showed you!
 
Hey all,

Long time lurker, first time poster. I'm having a "mid-training crisis" and was hoping for some guidance or perspective. I'm currently a PGY-2 in a competitive field. Great program, great people, no issues there. My one goal since childhood has been to become a physician. I saw becoming a physician as the ultimate achievement in life. Like many others, I prioritized getting into the best college/med school/residency over social life, family, hobbies, other life experiences. Medicine was my passion and my calling and no sacrifice seemed too great.

Fast forward a decade (I will spare you all the details). Medicine is no longer a passion. It is simply a job...a job that I dislike many days. I feel like the cost/benefit ratio of a career in medicine is favorable if you value medicine over family/friends/interests/etc. If medicine becomes a job, the long work hours/declining reimbursement/entitled patients/medicolegal climate/stressful work/etc make the cost/benefit ratio, in my opinion, very unfavorable.

After accepting this realization, that medicine simply isn't "worth it," I have had some difficulty dealing with the time I have lost the last 6 years. Even more troubling, I realize I have a few more years before I could have a more normal life. Unfortunately, for me, working and studying 80 hours/week is simply not compatable with much of a social life. If I had any extra time, I would prefer to sleep 8 hours a night rather than 6.

My biggest motivation at the moment is an ethical obligation to become the best physician I can be even if I regret pursuing medicine in the first place. Of course debt is also an issue. The only light at the end of the tunnel for me is the ability to work half the year or less when I'm done and still do well enough financially. With all of the time spent, it seems like a waste.

Long story I know. My question is, for those of you who lost your passion for medicine, how did you deal with it? Did you ever get the passion back? How do you deal with the regret of pursuing medicine in the first place?

I am committed to becoming the best physician I can be, again primarily out of ethical considerations to society and a personal commitment to do my best. I'm just not sure how to continue my career with this baggage.

To rapidly address the underlying point: "Do you ever get the passion back", the answer is simply no, at least not in a similiar manner to what you have experienced passion prior in your young career.

I would comfort you with the notion EVERYONE has the same crisis, some early, others much later. I know I did at least 3-4 times as a PGY1-5.
 
in the end BD should realize that elitist comments and mean comments such as outlined in her algorithm for responding to posts tarnish the reputation of her school. (I know you mean to be sardonic, but there is a grain of truth in every "joke.")

Sigh. I have decided being labeled an elitist is much like being called a racist. No proof needed, but utterly disprovable. it doesn't even need to be logically connected to the statement made. ("I love chocolate donuts!" "Racist!!" "People on student doctor size each other up by male organ length/perceived strength of program!" "Elitist!")

Darth, you kinda realize you responded exactly as my joke algorithm predicted, right? Oh, sweet, sweet irony.
 
Samoa said:
As much as it sounds elitist to say so, there really is no other profession that asks for such a long delay of gratification as medicine.

Uh, yeah. Try telling that to a 6th-year postdoctoral fellow making $45,000 a year with no job security and no guarantee of an academic position after having spent 7 years in his PhD and 6 in postgraduate training.

BlondeDocteur said:
I absolutely do NOT look down on non-medical professions. As I said, I was talking about big-ticket jobs, but even so-- how on earth is it snobbish to say that most people (quoting Socialist) who sell insurance, tar roads and sweep floors don't find their work to have anything but instrumental value?

You didn't say "most people," you said "quite literally every other job on the planet."

I'd probably agree that "most people" are just in their jobs for the money (and nothing wrong with that btw), but a) that's true of many doctors as well, and b) it is *not* true of a large number of people who are not doctors. Including people with 'big-ticket' educations.

I know one woman who gave up a corporate law job to become a legal advocate for the homeless, and another one who did the same to become a public defender. They eat ramen but they're happy. I'd call it borderline offensive to say they feel less of a 'calling' than lots of the pill-pushers I interact with on a daily basis.
 
Uh, yeah. Try telling that to a 6th-year postdoctoral fellow making $45,000 a year with no job security and no guarantee of an academic position after having spent 7 years in his PhD and 6 in postgraduate training.

That's an extreme example. And still equal to or less than the extreme examples of medicine: CT surgery ( 4 yrs med + 7 yrs academic gen surg + 2-3 yrs CT surg fellow. Or neurosurg at an 8 yr program + endovascular fellowship (4+8+2).

Job security is much better in medicine, but I don't think anyone's been disputing that particular point. And I don't think you can call the low salary of a postdoc "delayed gratification" since it doesn't get a whole lot better as junior faculty and you COULD make a boatload by choosing to step off the academic train and get a job in the private sector. But education/academia is a calling, so people don't.
 
it is *not* true of a large number of people who are not doctors. Including people with 'big-ticket' educations.

I know one woman who gave up a corporate law job to become a legal advocate for the homeless, and another one who did the same to become a public defender. They eat ramen but they're happy. I'd call it borderline offensive to say they feel less of a 'calling' than lots of the pill-pushers I interact with on a daily basis.

I've seen a lot of people with "big ticket" educations take lower paying jobs closer to their definition of a "calling." There are hordes of people in academia, i.e. research who accept not only lower salaries, but difficulty getting published/difficulty being promoted all to pursue a very specialized research project that they really are interested in and often feel with benefit the world by adding to our body of scientific knowledge. They seemed to have a clearer "calling" than a lot of physicians I have met who complain non-stop about their "calling".

I think it is insulting to characterize most jobs of medicine as being done by people who do it for only "instrumental" value or just a paycheck, because I have met so many people who have a tremendous passion for their job and often a "calling" as well in professions both big and small. I think it *is* looking down on people who work in non-physician occupations as saying they only do it for a paycheck and saying that only people in medicine are looking for "instrinsic" value in their work.

BD can camaflouge her sentiments towards non-physician occupations with over-intellectualization, but I think it is a bad point of view if you are going into more primary care based professions where it helps to have a more in depth understanding of your patient's background and motivations in life.
 
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That's an extreme example.

Sadly, it is not. It is actually quite a typical example. Extreme examples include people who spend 10 years in a PhD (I have seen it). An even more typical example is someone who gave up after 3 or 4 years of postdoc-ing and took a job in a less fulfilling but more remunerative sector. If most people didn't do this eventually, there would be a lot more tenth-year postdocs and grad students. Academia is a pyramid, with tons of people at the bottom but very little room at the top - unlike clinical medicine where there are jobs available for everyone who went through the appropriate training.


extreme examples of medicine: CT surgery ( 4 yrs med + 7 yrs academic gen surg + 2-3 yrs CT surg fellow. Or neurosurg at an 8 yr program + endovascular fellowship (4+8+2).

Right. So the extreme examples of medical training that you cite are about equal in length to typical examples of academics (14 years from initiation of grad school to 1st faculty position is not at all uncommon, especially since so many people do 2 or more postdocs these days).


And I don't think you can call the low salary of a postdoc "delayed gratification" since it doesn't get a whole lot better as junior faculty and you COULD make a boatload by choosing to step off the academic train and get a job in the private sector. But education/academia is a calling, so people don't.

The gratification is not considered to be the salary (most researchers are resigned to making peanuts compared to their equally or less well educated friends in other fields) but the freedom to direct one's own research. Delayed is definitely the word for it.

And as I said above, yes, people do step off the train. Most people are forced to eventually, because there simply are not enough academic faculty positions for all of the people with PhD's to be placed in. Of everyone I went to grad school with, I think fewer than 20% are still in postdoctoral or other research training positions. Everybody else bailed after an extended survey of the bleak terrain.
 
Uh, yeah. Try telling that to a 6th-year postdoctoral fellow making $45,000 a year with no job security and no guarantee of an academic position after having spent 7 years in his PhD and 6 in postgraduate training.

While I agree with you on the whole, I wouldn't included salary in your argument. One main difference is the 6th-year postdoc isn't carrying $200k in graduate school loans, as most grad students (those that I know, at least) are actually paid while in grad school. It is easier to walk away from the field entirely when you have little or no financial burden. As a 6th year postdoc I, too, will be making around $45,000 a year, but I also have the luxury of paying 20% of that back in loans. As an 11th-year postdoc I will finally be able to have my own clinical practice, but I face the same stiff competition as PhDs (more, actually, since PhD's can dedicate their entire time to academic pursuits, grant writing, etc...) for funding, and if I can't get that funding, it will be hard for me to maintain an academic practice, too.
Again, I don't disagree with your global point, I just think that when making this comparison, full disclosure makes for a more complete picture.
 
Right. So the extreme examples of medical training that you cite are about equal in length to typical examples of academics (14 years from initiation of grad school to 1st faculty position is not at all uncommon, especially since so many people do 2 or more postdocs these days).

There are probably as many people on these extreme tracks of medicine as there are on their 14th year of postdoc training. As you say, it's a pyramid on the research side, and more of a trapezoid on the medicine side. However, most people I know on the PhD side did 4 or so years of postdoc, at most. So either I know a lot of exceptional people, or you're exaggerating.


And as I said above, yes, people do step off the train. Most people are forced to eventually, because there simply are not enough academic faculty positions for all of the people with PhD's to be placed in. Of everyone I went to grad school with, I think fewer than 20% are still in postdoctoral or other research training positions. Everybody else bailed after an extended survey of the bleak terrain.
That's how medicine used to be. Now we start fewer and most finish. I think the ending numbers are fairly equal between the long track MDs and what you say is the average PhD. And as SocialistMD notes, the MD/PhD track can extend at least as long as the longest example you've given.
 
wow, this thread has degenerated into a bunch of weird randomness.

to the OP--I think it's a pgy-2 thing. coming from another pgy-2 here....we're far enough in our training to actually have some idea of what we're doing and quite a bit of responsibility while still having very little power or respect and still being quite far from the end of residency.

I know I feel tired all the time--more so than intern year even though my hours and call are less. It just beats you down after a while.

I stayed at the same place for residency after med school. When I see my former classmates, I can't help but think how awful they all look and how they look like they've aged 5+ years in less than two. Then I look in the mirror and realize they must all think the same about me. It's kind of depressing.
 
Anyway, blah blah blah.... politically correct impact softening phrasing...ya da ya da.... everyone is important.... there are no class distinctions ... blah blah blah.... spread the wealth.... blah blah..... we love everyone .....

So - since this topic comes up every month...and I know, garbage collectors are just as entitled to a house in Malibu as anyone else so lets give them one at the tax payers expense, and guys who run tow trucks are just as prone to burn out because of how high pressured their jobs are and that it takes ALOT of training to become a ditch digger..... but again since this topic comes up every month...... is there a consensus statement we can create, based on practical experience , regarding how to deal with this problem? For some people just saying 'toughen up and just grit your teeth' may not suffice, as some people want some suggestion as to HOW to grit their teeth.

As someone with almost 20 years of professional work experience in health care before going back to medical school, I would like to start with a simple two :
1) get out of the rut : a trite old saying goes "a rut is just a grave with the ends kicked out". Sometimes it can be as small as driving a different way to work every day, or other small alteration in routine. When your routine is so well worn, any small change can be seen as an adventure.
2) Pro-bono or volunteer work : in your line of work, or outside your line of work. Doing things free adds a certain feel that is lost when being paid. Pro athletes often loss excitement for the sport once they are paid for it. I did alot of volunteer work in a the second poorest county of a poor state back in the 90's - I remember specifically one family, I mean an entire family, living in an abandoned school bus. The bus had not been altered in anyway, and there was no electricity running to it. It was an abandoned school bus sitting in the middle of an open field. Things like that make you wake up the next day much more grateful.

I know many of you can probably come up with better suggestions so lets hear them. Maybe this can become a sticky. Just some practical suggestion on SOMETHING to try. I taught martial arts for over a decade, and a few people who got in situations where they had to defend themselves found that just knowing SOMETHING to do made alot of difference - it kept them from freezing up - it may not have been the best thing - but it was something. Just having something to try.

So lets hear some suggestions on something the burn outs in our profession can try. It takes too long to create a licensed MD to let burn out cause attrition
 
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Deleted. Felt guilty for being so mean.

Do you think passion/motivation/drive comes and goes in cycles?
 
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please, let's keep this thread collegial and not attack each other, or we might have to close the thread or something.

doowai, I like your general advice about trying to vary the daily routine.
I don't like the advice about volunteering for right now, b/c the OP probably already works too much as a resident. I do volunteer work now, and it's very fun/rewarding, but I'm @ a higher level of training than the OP and thus doubtless have more free time.

I think the OP needs to enjoy his vacation time to the max, maybe study a little less (still need to study enough to know his/her stuff, and do OK on in service exams, though). OP was probably a studious med student, having gotten into a competitive specialty, and may just have burned the candle at both ends for too long.
 
I don't like the advice about volunteering for right now, b/c the OP probably already works too much as a resident.

Understood, but if this is something that is referenced or stickied it would apply to others. Not everyone suffering an existential crisis is a resident - its possible it may not occur until someone is an attending or at another stage in life where they have more time etc.
 
Deleted. Felt guilty for being so mean.

Do you think passion/motivation/drive comes and goes in cycles?

Eh...it wasn't that mean, anyway. In fact, my desktop wallpaper over the past few years has been a photo of Ayn Rand... and I bark at homeless people who ask me for change. Proud of both.

Just remember, BD, that "whenever you use a longer or more complex word than is necessary, Vincent Van Gogh punches an angel:"

http://www.pointsincase.com/columns/alex-bash/why-van-gogh-cut-off-ear
 
Seconded. You have a fiduciary duty with regard to your patients' health, and it is completely inappropriate to proselytize in that context. No matter how strongly your own faith demands it.

TIME magazine has a section this month, and is the cover picture, or faith and healing. It reports that 90% of patients when asked would not be offended by a doctor enquiring or discussing faith/religion, and 75% say they would welcome it. The magazine is anything but unbiased , but I thought that was interesting and relevant to this discussion. In the section, one is discussion between 3 people, one of whom is an MD : a clergyman, a doctor who is both a radiologist and a psychiatrist, and another guy who is a psychistrist.
 
Just remember, BD, that "whenever you use a longer or more complex word than is necessary, Vincent Van Gogh punches an angel:"
http://www.pointsincase.com/columns/alex-bash/why-van-gogh-cut-off-ear

I know you're trying to get in one final jab, which is cool and all, but I actually both agree and disagree with this.

My organizing principle: clarity = good, obfuscation = bad.

Some "big" words can be quite small ("apt" is a good example), and some "small" words can be quite big ("scrumptious" or "ridiculous").

Precision in language means you choose the right word for the right concept, regardless of size. Language can obfuscate or illuminate, it's up to you. It can be a fine tool or a blunt one.
 
I know you're trying to get in one final jab, which is cool and all, but I actually both agree and disagree with this.

My organizing principle: clarity = good, obfuscation = bad.

Some "big" words can be quite small ("apt" is a good example), and some "small" words can be quite big ("scrumptious" or "ridiculous").

Precision in language means you choose the right word for the right concept, regardless of size. Language can obfuscate or illuminate, it's up to you. It can be a fine tool or a blunt one.


i think im in love
 
I know you're trying to get in one final jab, which is cool and all, but I actually both agree and disagree with this.

My organizing principle: clarity = good, obfuscation = bad.

Some "big" words can be quite small ("apt" is a good example), and some "small" words can be quite big ("scrumptious" or "ridiculous").

Precision in language means you choose the right word for the right concept, regardless of size. Language can obfuscate or illuminate, it's up to you. It can be a fine tool or a blunt one.
I happen to like your style of writing.
 
TIME magazine has a section this month, and is the cover picture, or faith and healing. It reports that 90% of patients when asked would not be offended by a doctor enquiring or discussing faith/religion, and 75% say they would welcome it.

Discussing and proselytizing are two entirely different ways of communicating about your faith. The former seeks to connect in a way the patient finds meaningful, the latter seeks to persuade and convert to the doctor's form of belief. One is caring, the other exploitative.
 
Just saw your post.

Being a resident is a job and a hard one.

I see posts like yours frequently. My advice is always the same.

SSRI * 1 month and reassess, even if you don't think it will help.
 
Discussing and proselytizing are two entirely different ways of communicating about your faith. The former seeks to connect in a way the patient finds meaningful, the latter seeks to persuade and convert to the doctor's form of belief. One is caring, the other exploitative.

So I take it you are not a fan of the idea of changing my name legally to Dr.Torquemada?
 
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