Navy DUINS FY22 ADVANCED DENTAL EDUCATION AVAILABILITY ANNOUNCEMENT

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Big Time Hoosier said:
A made up specialty for those gunning for “executive medicine.” Same thing with the Joint Commission fellowship they offer every so often.

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What's the point of gunning for executive medicine? There are other less stressful ways to put on O-6's in the dental corps... unless one is gunning for that admiral spot?
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Big Time Hoosier said:
A made up specialty for those gunning for “executive medicine.” Same thing with the Joint Commission fellowship they offer every so often.

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So someone in this training will end up working with DHA?
Maybe good for someone going for a command position at HQ, but this "residency" doesn't even seem to come up with its own special pay.
I assume it is more like a MBA than like a residency
 
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distressstudent said:
So someone in this training will end up working with DHA?
Maybe good for someone going for a command position at HQ, but this "residency" doesn't even seem to come up with its own special pay.
I assume it is more like a MBA than like a residency
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I think they used to send the medical informatics to Johns Hopkins to earn a masters degree. Not sure if this is still how it works.


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DUINS list was released today. Anyone got the info to pass along?
 
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I shortened a bunch of descriptions because typing this out manually was a pain and the WDU update was potato quality. Apologize in advance for any typos and misspelling people's names. Congratulations again all those selected for training positions and alternate positions.



Fellowship in Clinical Informatics – 0 applicants

Comprehensive Dentistry - 16 applicants. The following seven (7) applications are recommended with four (4) alternates:
1. Lt Dana Baba
2. LT Elizabeth Fadoju
3. LT Jesse Froehner
4. LT Joshua Johnson
5. LCDR Taylor Landon
6. LT Jackie Ogi
7. LT Christopher Wilde
Alternates:
1. LT Kenny Tran
2. LT Scott Westra
3. LT Yuning Weber
4. LCDR Thomas Seo

Endodontics – 19 applications, 4 applicants recommended, 4 alternates:
1. LT Jabrenta Hubbard
2. LT Tae Kim
3. LT Brian Nadeau
4. LT Ricardo Wassmer
Alternates:
1. LT Melanie Cornelius
2. LT Colin Egan
3. LCDR John Hofer
4. LT Daniel Buono

Maxillofacial Prosthodontics – 1 application for fellowship, 1 recommended
1. LCDR Rodney Martin

Operative and Preventative Dentistry – 2 applicants, 1 recommended, 1 alternate
1. LCDR Ian Daulton (FTOS)
Alternate:
1. LCDR Matthew Kelly (FTOS)

Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery – 17 applicants, 11 recommended, 2 alternates
1. LT Riaz Ali
2. LT Kyle Berrong
3. ENS Clayton Booth (FTOS/OFI)
4. LT Kyu Choi
5. ENS Jordan Cimilluca
6. ENS Andrew Haber
7. ENS Daniel Ho
8. ENS Nikole Pham (FTOS)
9. LT Kayla Pietruska (FTOS/6yr program)
10. OC1 Jalen Simmons
11. LT Sean Young (FTOS)
Alternates:
1. ENS Dahn Do
2. CDR Nicole Ward

Orthodontics – 3 applicants, 2 recommended, 1 alternate
1. LT Tali Hadar (FTOS/OFI)
2. LCDR Bryan Mullen (FTOS/OFI)
Alternate:
1. LT Sean Dyreng (FTOS/OFI)

Pediatric Dentistry – 7 applicants, 1 recommended, 2 alternates
1. LT Kimberly Gibbs (FTOS)
Alternates
1. LT James Chao (FTOS)
2. LT Kathryn Harrington (FTOS)

Periodontics – 16 applicants, 4 applicants, 4 alternates
1. ENS Jared Collett
2. ENS Meghan Hegarty
3. LT Benjamin Horn
4. LT Michael Siy
Alternates:
1. LT Jin Hwang
2. OC1 Sophia Thompson
3. ENS Derrick Pham
4. LCDR Thomas Betterbed

Prosthodontics – 8 applicants, 3 recommended, 2 alternates
1. LT Sunaina Belgrave
2. LT Natalie Kha
3. LT Justine Montenegro
Alternates:
1. LT Eunice Lee
2. ENS Ryan Seehafer
 
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Anybody know how long it takes to find out what bases we'll be at for residency? It's been a while and haven't heard back
 
Wait until the training plan is released from the specialty leader to the detailer then the orders get written to the members

No you do not have any say in where you train unless you have special circumstances (typically family related)
 
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Is it common for specialty leaders to send out unofficial orders? Or should we expect the first correspondence regarding the training location to be official orders from the detailer?
 
caffeine jitters said:
Is it common for specialty leaders to send out unofficial orders? Or should we expect the first correspondence regarding the training location to be official orders from the detailer?
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They can maybe give you a heads up about where you may be “penciled” in but they don’t have any authority over orders.

Orders are written, scrolled, then funded then dispersed to member.
 
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It’s considered FTOS so 3 years consecutive. There is very little chance of getting it straight out of school. The OFI is on Lackland AFB in San Antonio and it’s the only ortho residency for all the branches. The building and clinic are brand new and it’s absolutely gorgeous.
 
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Can you apply to specialties during a PGY-1? or do you have to go operational after finishing PGY-1?
 
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dentistman111 said:
Can you apply to specialties during a PGY-1? or do you have to go operational after finishing PGY-1?
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Expect an operational tour under your belt to have a realistic chance to begin with (OMFS is a little different there).

As of when I was in the Navy (got out in 2019), you have to line up your orders with when you would be entering residency. Don't plan on them cutting your orders short for you to specialize. To them it's a cost saving measure (they just paid to move you), to you it's another roadblock to specializing.

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chlrbwls said:
Yeah unless you are a weirdo like me, lol

I think only endo (if you can get accepted) and omfs is worth staying in for

Otherwise, better to specialize outside with va benefits
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I would venture to say that even endo is being pulled tight. It is easier to get into a program in the civilian world and not deal with the military bs. OMFS is probably the only smart choice... if you get in early enough to pay by your HPSP concurrently. Out service or after HPSP payback, it is a waste unless you are staying in for other reasons (which I can respect).
 
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SirBrotherJam said:
I would venture to say that even endo is being pulled tight. It is easier to get into a program in the civilian world and not deal with the military bs. OMFS is probably the only smart choice... if you get in early enough to pay by your HPSP concurrently. Out service or after HPSP payback, it is a waste unless you are staying in for other reasons (which I can respect).
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I only say endo bc you will always get consistent case loads in the navy and it's a two yr program with MS which is rare i think
 
chlrbwls said:
Yeah unless you are a weirdo like me, lol
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We can still be friends. That is, unless you don't like Slim Jims. That's my line in the sand.

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If I'm HPSP, should I expect residency training location orders to my personal email (where I've been getting all other emails for ADT), or to my military email?
 
schmoob said:
It’s a 2 year program but payback is 3 years.
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Again with endo you consistently get referrals that doesnt depreciate your clinical aptitude during that payback period

Perio, Prosth all kind of have a bit of limitation of referral base, pending on where you are at

If you do the extra year of Maxillofacial prosth, you are pretty much at a hospital doing all on fours, full mouth rehabs, maxillofacial prosthetics

Peds you have be overseas to see consistent peds population and if you are stateside you are seeing a lot of EMFP / special needs patients which can be stressful

Ortho is pretty much limited by what tricare approves for surgical set ups. If you are much senior, then you can do whatever you want

Oral surgery you will always do bread and butter T and T and you get occasional trauma and path at all MTF (only skill depreciation will occur onboard a ship)

Thats my grasp of mil dentistry from what i've seen

BLUF: Military utilizes/credentials you lower than what you were trained for
 
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chlrbwls said:
Again with endo you consistently get referrals that doesnt depreciate your clinical aptitude during that payback period

Perio, Prosth all kind of have a bit of limitation of referral base, pending on where you are at

If you do the extra year of Maxillofacial prosth, you are pretty much at a hospital doing all on fours, full mouth rehabs, maxillofacial prosthetics

Peds you have be overseas to see consistent peds population and if you are stateside you are seeing a lot of EMFP / special needs patients which can be stressful

Ortho is pretty much limited by what tricare approves for surgical set ups. If you are much senior, then you can do whatever you want

Oral surgery you will always do bread and butter T and T and you get occasional trauma and path at all MTF (only skill depreciation will occur onboard a ship)

Thats my grasp of mil dentistry from what i've seen

BLUF: Military utilizes/credentials you lower than what you were trained for
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I don't think anyone here would disagree with a steady flow of patients you're mentioning for endo. My point early was, that even though 19 people applied and 4 got accepted this year, the amount of brown nosing and foot kissing you have to do to get a good letter of rec is ridiculous let alone get accepted into a program. I did that route and played that game to be screwed again and again. No more. I would recommend leaving that bs behind, live where you want, and why not make some more $$ while you're at it.
 
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SirBrotherJam said:
I don't think anyone here would disagree with a steady flow of patients you're mentioning for endo. My point early was, that even though 19 people applied and 4 got accepted this year, the amount of brown nosing and foot kissing you have to do to get a good letter of rec is ridiculous let alone get accepted into a program. I did that route and played that game to be screwed again and again. No more. I would recommend leaving that bs behind, live where you want, and why not make some more $$ while you're at it.
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If you have the stats to be competitive within the pool with fresh dental graduates, obv that would involve less kissing up. But you still need to kiss up for your letter of recs from specialists of your choice

Its nice that a lot of programs are military friendly and giving you some extra brownie points when applying. They will often let you know if they are when you ask them.
 
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SirBrotherJam said:
I did that route and played that game to be screwed again and again. No more.
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Spoken like a true veteran.

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chlrbwls said:
If you have the stats to be competitive within the pool with fresh dental graduates, obv that would involve less kissing up. But you still need to kiss up for your letter of recs from specialists of your choice

Its nice that a lot of programs are military friendly and giving you some extra brownie points when applying. They will often let you know if they are when you ask them.
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no navy just sucks donkey bowls
 
Hey everyone! 1st year dental student with HPSP Navy and very interested in OMFS. I am curious to know more from Navy dentists about what life after residency looks like for OMFS in the Navy. Some questions:
1. Do you still choose Green/Blue to end up with Marines vs. Navy?
2. Are you more likely to get deployed?
3. Are there always oral surgeons on ships or is it more likely to be in a hospital setting on shore?
4. How do the hours change after residency for an oral surgeon?

Thanks in advance for your answers!

P.S. Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but didn't see any other threads about this topic.
 
goofykiwi said:
Hey everyone! 1st year dental student with HPSP Navy and very interested in OMFS. I am curious to know more from Navy dentists about what life after residency looks like for OMFS in the Navy. Some questions:
1. Do you still choose Green/Blue to end up with Marines vs. Navy?
2. Are you more likely to get deployed?
3. Are there always oral surgeons on ships or is it more likely to be in a hospital setting on shore?
4. How do the hours change after residency for an oral surgeon?

Thanks in advance for your answers!

P.S. Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but didn't see any other threads about this topic.
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1. Yes you can chose Green/Blue, but you are more specialized so there are fewer spots.
2. You will most likely deploy after your residency. After that, it is typically shoreside/overseas then deploy. As you progress you will take more leadership and may or may not deploy. DH of ship vs clinic managers/DDS etc. Operational commitments never go away.
3. There is always OS component on platforms like carriers/Hospital ships. Smaller ships with one dentist don't have them as ships company typically.
4. The hours are much better compared to residency, more of a normalized schedule.

As I tell everyone, you have a ways to go and keep your options open. If you are still convinced at 3rd/4th year time, try to get into residency ASAP to pay back the HPSP and residency at the same time! Best of luck.
 
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goofykiwi said:
Hey everyone! 1st year dental student with HPSP Navy and very interested in OMFS. I am curious to know more from Navy dentists about what life after residency looks like for OMFS in the Navy. Some questions:
1. Do you still choose Green/Blue to end up with Marines vs. Navy?
2. Are you more likely to get deployed?
3. Are there always oral surgeons on ships or is it more likely to be in a hospital setting on shore?
4. How do the hours change after residency for an oral surgeon?

Thanks in advance for your answers!

P.S. Not sure if this is the best place to ask, but didn't see any other threads about this topic.
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1. Right out of residency you are basically at the bottom in terms of billet selection. The specialty leader knows that. You will be either on a ship/marine battalion in the US/overseas

2. With the ship/marine battalions your deployment will depend on their schedule. You could have a ship that is docked for maintenance for months/years and never deploy or you could be assigned to a ship that will be ready to deploy when you arrive. I believe ship orders are only 1 year for OS. With the marines I think you will most likely not deploy as an oral surgeon to exercises(general dentists are the ones that do but usually no more than 2 per exercise). So you'll be just working as if you were on shore.

3. Every Navy carriers will have an oral surgeon for emergencies/occasional third ext's. The smaller ships that have one dentists usually only have general dentists.

4. Based on what I have seen I think you will be a lot busier on shore command/marine battalions. I can't imagine you will be doing much class 3 extractions on ships since most of the patients are already class 2 before they attach to the ship/deploy. On shore you will still be on call rotation and can't leave your duty station within certain radius, etc.
 
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SirBrotherJam said:
1. Yes you can chose Green/Blue, but you are more specialized so there are fewer spots.
2. You will most likely deploy after your residency. After that, it is typically shoreside/overseas then deploy. As you progress you will take more leadership and may or may not deploy. DH of ship vs clinic managers/DDS etc. Operational commitments never go away.
3. There is always OS component on platforms like carriers/Hospital ships. Smaller ships with one dentist don't have them as ships company typically.
4. The hours are much better compared to residency, more of a normalized schedule.

As I tell everyone, you have a ways to go and keep your options open. If you are still convinced at 3rd/4th year time, try to get into residency ASAP to pay back the HPSP and residency at the same time! Best of luck.
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Thanks so much! Very helpful!
 
NavyDentist2 said:
1. Right out of residency you are basically at the bottom in terms of billet selection. The specialty leader knows that. You will be either on a ship/marine battalion in the US/overseas

2. With the ship/marine battalions your deployment will depend on their schedule. You could have a ship that is docked for maintenance for months/years and never deploy or you could be assigned to a ship that will be ready to deploy when you arrive. I believe ship orders are only 1 year for OS. With the marines I think you will most likely not deploy as an oral surgeon to exercises(general dentists are the ones that do but usually no more than 2 per exercise). So you'll be just working as if you were on shore.

3. Every Navy carriers will have an oral surgeon for emergencies/occasional third ext's. The smaller ships that have one dentists usually only have general dentists.

4. Based on what I have seen I think you will be a lot busier on shore command/marine battalions. I can't imagine you will be doing much class 3 extractions on ships since most of the patients are already class 2 before they attach to the ship/deploy. On shore you will still be on call rotation and can't leave your duty station within certain radius, etc.
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Thank you! These were very helpful answers!
 
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