difference between plastics and OMFS ?

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what exactly is the difference between plastics and omfs ?
i know that omfs are dentists but it seems to me that both operate the same pathologies : facial traumas , ankylosis....
do plastics learn much about the dental stuff ?

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what exactly is the difference between plastics and omfs ?
i know that omfs are dentists but it seems to me that both operate the same pathologies : facial traumas , ankylosis....
do plastics learn much about the dental stuff ?


PRS (Plastic and Reconstructive surgeons) operate on the entire body. They can subspecialise in Hand reconstruction, Burns, Craniofacial surgery, and Cosmetic surgery.


ENT (Otolaryngology/Ears,Nose,Throat) and OMFS (Oral and Maxillofacial surgeons) are two other surgical specialties who's surgical training is limited to specific anatomic boundaries of the Head and Neck.

All 3 of these specialties utilise the same surgical techniques and materials and treat (at least in the H/N region) many of the same problems.

All 3 (PRS/ENT/OMFS) can subspecialise in H/N cosmetic surgery.

Both (PRS and OMFS) can subspecialise in Craniofacial surgery.

Both (PRS and Orthopaedics) can subspecialise in Hand surgery.

do plastics learn much about the dental stuff ?

Yes, PRS are taught a about "the dental stuff" if they undertake a fellowship in craniofacial surgery which includes training in orthognathics and communicating with orthodontists to treat patients who have skull and facial deformities as a result of craniofacial developmental or traumatic problems.

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Hope that helps.
 
Do max/fac guys actually get to do much facial facial trauma, or is it mainly third molars and the less exciting procedures?
 
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Do max/fac guys actually get to do much facial facial trauma, or is it mainly third molars and the less exciting procedures?
 
Do max/fac guys actually get to do much facial facial trauma, or is it mainly third molars and the less exciting procedures?

At the two programs I am most familiar with, facial trauma is split between plastics, OMFS and ENT. I suspect that this would be the same for most teaching facilities that have level I trauma and OMFS/ent/plastics programs. As far as what you do when your get done with residency, it would depend on where you go.

--Moravian
 
Do max/fac guys actually get to do much facial facial trauma, or is it mainly third molars and the less exciting procedures?

If you're interested in Maxfacs then I might suggest that you post your questions in the Oral and Maxillofacial surgery thread section of the website. You will probably get more of a response.

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At the two programs I am most familiar with, facial trauma is split between plastics, OMFS and ENT. I suspect that this would be the same for most teaching facilities that have level I trauma and OMFS/ent/plastics programs. As far as what you do when your get done with residency, it would depend on where you go.

--Moravian

This is accurate. At my program, trauma is split evenly btw ent, prs and omfs. Craniofacial is split btw omfs and plastics.
 
This is accurate. At my program, trauma is split evenly btw ent, prs and omfs. Craniofacial is split btw omfs and plastics.
Yellowman, I can't pass up the opportunity to ask you some q's since you are in maxfac.
I'm not yet in med school, and I have always wanted to do ortho, but recently I have wondered whether I could do that all my life. Its quite messy and standing for hours on end can get to you after an entire day of surgery, even if you're only assisting!
I got quite interested in OMFS and craniofacial surgery, but the thing which concerns me is the fact that you need to study dentistry in order to get there. Did you intend to go into maxillofacial surgery? Did you enjoy the studying the dentistry? What are your most common cases as a maxfac surgeon?

Thanks!
 
Yellowman, I can't pass up the opportunity to ask you some q's since you are in maxfac.
I'm not yet in med school, and I have always wanted to do ortho, but recently I have wondered whether I could do that all my life. Its quite messy and standing for hours on end can get to you after an entire day of surgery, even if you're only assisting!
I got quite interested in OMFS and craniofacial surgery, but the thing which concerns me is the fact that you need to study dentistry in order to get there. Did you intend to go into maxillofacial surgery? Did you enjoy the studying the dentistry? What are your most common cases as a maxfac surgeon?

Thanks!

I guess the only advice I can give you is that you should research very carefully before you decide whether you want to pursue a career in medicine vs. omfs. I strongly advise, if possible, to shadow a practicing orthopedic surgeon and possibly even an ortho resident to see what the training is like and what type of lifestyle you can lead after residency. See what their compensation is and their level of job satisfaction etc....

OMFS, is primarily a dental specialty. Meaning, the bills will be paid by dental procedures, ie 3rd molars, bone grafts of jaws, dental implants, oral pathology. These procedures pay surprisingly well and because of LOW (several thousand dollars per yr, compared to 6 figure insurace fees for MD surgeons) malpractice fees compared to physician surgeons, your net income should be very comparable to other surgical specialties if not much higher, espeically if you factor in the numbers of hours worked during the week. What does this mean to you? Despite the fact that you will be a MD, you likely won't be operating out of hospitals, doing 'major' surgical procedures day in and day out. This does not mean that you cannot practice that way, you can choose to do as much trauma, jaw reconstruction, orthognathic sx, craniofacial (after fellowship) as you desire out of hospitals, but the financial payoff vs time spent by you may you not be as attractice as performing outpatient oral surgery in your private practice. This is why you will hardly see OMFS folks abandon the dental aspect of their surgical practice, and why most leave to practice rather than academics....it's just too lucrative. Most guys thus run their private clinic and have hospital privleges for inpt surgical needs, whether it be orthognathic sx, truama, major infection, oral sx for sick pts etc...

As far as dental school, it's painful, but so is medical school. If you think perfoming dental procedures are painful, try rounding with your attending doing nothing all day....booring. OVerall, OMFS is a great career....I can't imagine doing anything else.
 
Yellowman, I can't pass up the opportunity to ask you some q's since you are in maxfac.
I'm not yet in med school, and I have always wanted to do ortho, but recently I have wondered whether I could do that all my life. Its quite messy and standing for hours on end can get to you after an entire day of surgery, even if you're only assisting!
I got quite interested in OMFS and craniofacial surgery, but the thing which concerns me is the fact that you need to study dentistry in order to get there. Did you intend to go into maxillofacial surgery? Did you enjoy the studying the dentistry? What are your most common cases as a maxfac surgeon?

Thanks!

Especially if you're not sure which way you want to head with your career. I would recommend going to med school as you've already planned... and if you're still set on OMFS later on, you can always apply to one of the programs that will accept MDs for a 6-year DDS/OMFS training program when you've finished med school.

The length of training won't be any longer this way.. and if you want to do a craniofacial fellowship.. going the way of getting both degrees is probably what you'd want to do anyways. Good luck!
 
Thanks for the responses guys!

I guess the only advice I can give you is that you should research very carefully before you decide whether you want to pursue a career in medicine vs. omfs. I strongly advise, if possible, to shadow a practicing orthopedic surgeon and possibly even an ortho resident to see what the training is like and what type of lifestyle you can lead after residency. See what their compensation is and their level of job satisfaction etc....
Been with both a practicing orthopod and a resident. I still like orthopedics, but OMFS looks great too. :D
As far as dental school, it's painful, but so is medical school.
So did you do dentistry because you wanted to be a dentist, or did you have OMFS in mind? Also, what kind of things do you do in your rooms?
OVerall, OMFS is a great career....I can't imagine doing anything else.
What do you enjoy most about OMFS?

I would recommend going to med school as you've already planned...
Thanks for that - I have been warned that there is no guarantee that I will get into OMFS so I shouldnt do dent if thats the only reason I'm doing it. How did you find dentistry? And did you go in with the intention of doing OMFS?

Thanks ;)
 
Especially if you're not sure which way you want to head with your career. I would recommend going to med school as you've already planned... and if you're still set on OMFS later on, you can always apply to one of the programs that will accept MDs for a 6-year DDS/OMFS training program when you've finished med school.

The length of training won't be any longer this way.. and if you want to do a craniofacial fellowship.. going the way of getting both degrees is probably what you'd want to do anyways. Good luck!

how many of those programs exist? I know there are a couple in Texas...

Would the MD applicants be competing in the same pool as the DDS applicants? If so, preference is probably given to the DDS?
 
So did you do dentistry because you wanted to be a dentist, or did you have OMFS in mind? Also, what kind of things do you do in your rooms?
What do you enjoy most about OMFS?

I chose dentistry over medicine. I had interviews at both medical and dental schools, but chose not to pursue the MD path in undergrad for several reasons, most important being ability earn a living after 4 years and life style during practice. I didn't even know that OMFS existed.

When I got into dental school, I grew tired of doing 'traditional' dentistry. I enjoyed the technical aspect of doing clinical general dentistry (fillings, crowns, root canals etc), but honestly, I felt all the hard work I put into studying basic medical science was going to complete waste. I wasn't utilizing much of the medical science I learned in practice of gen dentistry, and frankly I wasn't all that impressed with the level of knowledge many of the general dentist preceptors had. I initiallly was interested in doing periodontics as periodontists were placing majority of the dental implants at my dental school. The 'surgical' nature of perio along with the fact that implants seemed financially viable seemed attractive to me. However, I ended up meeting OMFS attending thru a friend of mine over dinner, and he basically told me 'why would a guy with your board scores and achievements woule pursue perio? you're crazy...' something in those lines. So I decided to find out more about OMFS, and once I discovered the surgical scope of the specialty, didactics, and being able to control the way you practiced (private practice vs. inpt sx), I was hooked. That's my story. I was very fortunate to have met that attending to say the least.

As far as procedures that are performed,
Outpatient procedures: extraction of wisdom teeth, surgical extraction, full mouth extraction with alveoplasty, dental implant surgery, bone grafts (usually bone taken from mand ramus or symphysis), soft/hard tissue biopsy, management of simple odontogenic infections. Cosmetic procedures (ie: genioplasty, malar implants etc) can also be done as outpt sx. Many of these procedures are done under IV gen anesthesia. We rotate thru anesthesia at resident level for 5 months...running rooms for various medical specialties acting as anesthesia residents.

Inpatient procedures: orthognathic surgery, extensive pre-prosthetic surgery (ie: calvarial or iliac crest bone graft), alveolar cleft sx, trauma, TMJ surgery, surgical management of major odontogenic infxn involving airway and requiring inpt abx and fluid resuscitation, medical management of immnocompromised pt s/p oral sugr procedure, major pathology requiring extensive reconstruction etc.

Lastly, going into OMFS residency as MD will be an uphill battle, because it is a dental specialty. ALthough I've heard it can be done, all the stories I have heard are anecdotal, and I have never personally met any of these guys.
 
how many of those programs exist?

No one knows.. because most programs don't advertise the positions to MD applicants. However, many programs would seriously consider you. All I can suggest is that you just email the program directors of the programs you are interested in and see what they say.

I would specifically suggest contacting Michigan, Louisville, and UAB as I've heard that they have a history of considering MD applicants in the past. Good luck! Maxillofacial surgery is a great specialty!
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Thanks for all the replies, Yellowman and Dr Millisevert, I appreciate them.
Maxfac surgery seems to be a little-known speciality here in SA, so its great to be able to get some answers from you guys ;)
 
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