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So you're saying your scuba instructors cancer recurrence is related to the COVID Vaccine?
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So you're saying your scuba instructors cancer recurrence is related to the COVID Vaccine?
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This is like every patient who has a rash or fever 3 weeks after an ESI and then calls to tell me they had a reaction from the injection
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We have millions of people getting 2-3 doses of a new vaccine all at the same time. Stuff is going to happen, I believe the vaccine causes some symptoms like fatigue and beaches, maybe a fever, it clearly does not cause a cancer recurrence to grow at lightening speed and show up within months. People are insane. The fact that you even repeated this is insane.
If you told me you know a guy that got paralyzed fron transverse myelitis, or got some weird autoimmune syndrome, or anything else, fine, but this cancer **** is insane.
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No its not. Its anecdotal - and I am making an inference based on it. I do think we will find out these mRNA vaccines can overstimulate quiescent parts of the immune system - in time.
I am all for vaccination I think if you don't vaccinate your an idiot. It prevents you from dying. But to think this has been fully evaluated and we know all the effects is insane.
edit - and why do you think it can't cause a cancer recurrence? WE DONT KNOW. the immune system and cancer are intriquetly intertwined.
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I am not making an inference based on it. BUT I really am and think it and want to throw it out there.
it is irresponsible to even post this garbage.
we don't know all the risks. that's true. that's exactly why you can't pop your mouth off like this. one doc spreading this stuff can kill exponentially if people believe it.
really his cancer came back related to vaccine? post on facebook
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It’s like people saying there have been thousands of deaths from the vaccine, because they look at VAERS, it’s an insane thing to say. Everything is reported, doesn’t mean it’s related, that’s the purpose of the system to make sure rare events are not missed, but there has to be some biological plausibility.
And yes, I might beleive a cancer recurrence, but I don’t beleive lightening fast growth of Mets leading to death within months, clearly those Mets were brewing for many years.
And yes, I might beleive a cancer recurrence, but I don’t beleive lightening fast growth of Mets leading to death within months, clearly those Mets were brewing for many years.
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First of all I’m not posting on Facebook I’m posting on a physican forum. I honestly don’t care enough to be vocal about it - I’m not one to soapbox. With that being said you are all being very naive and close minded regarding this vaccine and what other side effects it may or may not cause. I’m not saying I’m against it **** I am vaccinated and I had covid all I’m saying is we may find out things in a few years once things calm down in what they call the phase IV trial that we didn’t expect or know today. The vaccine modulates the immune system there just may be unintended consequences.
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I'd love for you to expand on this
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no, this is case report for JAMA or BMJ.
unless you have definitive documentation, you are posting misleading information, that will feed in to the mass anti-vaxxer hysteria.
there have been roughly 6.6 billion vaccines given worldwide. over 210,000,000 Americans have gotten 1 dose. yours would be the first case that I have heard about cancer recurring in less than 1 year from a vaccine of any sort.
this story reminds me of Nicky Minaj's cousin's friends testicles...
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Whatever dude this is a physician forum I am posting on with my anecdotes I am not posting on my facebook, twitter, insta page calm the F down. Its not the first time someone has challenged the narrative in medicine
Outside of the feline vaccine-associated sarcomas, I'm not aware of vaccines being causative for cancer. The whole immune system activation though is robust and can have some unexpected effects.
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It's hard to imagine them causing a cancer recurrence as we'd expect the immune activation to trigger more surveillance and cancer death. There definitely has been worse cancer care though with the pandemic and less surveillance/delayed presentations.
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It's hard to imagine them causing a cancer recurrence as we'd expect the immune activation to trigger more surveillance and cancer death. There definitely has been worse cancer care though with the pandemic and less surveillance/delayed presentations.
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It is fine to challenge the narrative, but I say that the way to challenge it is with science ie data, tests, studies.
Anecdotes only fuel disinformation.
Wherever it is posted.
is it a big deal to post your anecdotes on a physican forum? no
but you are not exactly galileo challenging the geocentric model
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Anecdotes is not anecdata.
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A lot of doctors think they are an immunology expert and can theorize as to the effects of this vaccine, blows my mind.
It’s like asking your psychiatrist about what he thinks about the long term effects of a spinal fusion.
It’s like asking your psychiatrist about what he thinks about the long term effects of a spinal fusion.
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I don't think we should criticize people posting anecdotes. This is a public forum, no one is verified and everything should be taken with a grain of salt.
I'd rather people post here than FB because there is a vast majority of people who can intelligently respond to posts.
We should criticize the anecdote and/or the proposed mechanism rather than trying to suppress the anecdote.
I'd rather people post here than FB because there is a vast majority of people who can intelligently respond to posts.
We should criticize the anecdote and/or the proposed mechanism rather than trying to suppress the anecdote.
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I did criticize the proposed mechanism. No way Mets grow that fast, it’s illogical. Maybe if the post said “I’m concerned in the next 5-10 years we will be seeing an increase in cancers” than I might consider it plausible.
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I completely agree with you. I don't see any plausible mechanism.
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Seriously, some of you guys are acting like witch hunters and the epitome of cancel-culture.
The whole point of a phase 4 trial is to find out things post-marketing that you didn't expect. Every single drug out there has a long list of side effects that make no sense, this comes from phase 3 and 4 data.
Given the mass hysteria (albeit some justly deserved) regarding COVID, many people are not reporting potential side effects because of the exact reaction many of you have shown. Ridiculous.
For those who care, in addition to a being fellowship trained anesthesiologist, I also have a degree in laboratory science, did immunology research, ran a clinical immunology lab, taught immunology at the college level, and have received awards at the state level for cancer presentations. I'm not just some wacko conservative anti-vaxxer.
The whole point of a phase 4 trial is to find out things post-marketing that you didn't expect. Every single drug out there has a long list of side effects that make no sense, this comes from phase 3 and 4 data.
Given the mass hysteria (albeit some justly deserved) regarding COVID, many people are not reporting potential side effects because of the exact reaction many of you have shown. Ridiculous.
For those who care, in addition to a being fellowship trained anesthesiologist, I also have a degree in laboratory science, did immunology research, ran a clinical immunology lab, taught immunology at the college level, and have received awards at the state level for cancer presentations. I'm not just some wacko conservative anti-vaxxer.
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I agree with you completely. Your scientific skepticism if perfectly consistent with your academic history.
The reaction to suppress all expressions of caution, skepticism, and fear is far more dangerous to our society than any "anti-vaxx" movement will ever be.
I'll never understand the desire people have to stand among a horde of townsfolk with a torch and pitchfork. Sure seems like it's getting worse.
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Timing is exquisite--- NY state DOH just posted today a notice about physician posting of misinformation....
in fact, most of the people being vaccinated at this moment in time are more likely to be individuals who were not entirely supportive of vaccinations, I suspect that more side effects will be reported than in January or February, where people were willing to sacrifice some discomfort or side effects for protection from covid.
there is a difference between cancel-culture and misinformation. Nicki Minaj case is a classic example of misinformation that affects certain peoples decisionmaking.
the problem is the politicization of the vaccine by anti-vaxxers and right wing media (Fox news) leads to significant misinformation and biased decision making amongst the general populace.
I doubt that people are not anonymously reporting adverse results. that is the whole point of VAERS.
in fact, most of the people being vaccinated at this moment in time are more likely to be individuals who were not entirely supportive of vaccinations, I suspect that more side effects will be reported than in January or February, where people were willing to sacrifice some discomfort or side effects for protection from covid.
there is a difference between cancel-culture and misinformation. Nicki Minaj case is a classic example of misinformation that affects certain peoples decisionmaking.
the problem is the politicization of the vaccine by anti-vaxxers and right wing media (Fox news) leads to significant misinformation and biased decision making amongst the general populace.
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Your right the liberal media and Joe Biden aren't using COVID to push their left wing, socialist agenda. In between Biden's gafs and stuttering he says us vaccinated people need to be protected from unvaccinated people. WTF? Or how about the CDC director pushing a booster shot when the FDA and WHO state it is not needed at the moment.
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You mean this FDA? FDA Authorizes Booster Dose of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for Certain Populations
Or the WHO who admitted the main reason they don't want boosters is because lots of countries aren't vaccinated yet? To quote "“There has been little change in the global situation since then, so today I am calling for an extension of the moratorium until at least the end of the year to enable every country to vaccinate at least 40% of its population,” WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said in a briefing"
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the WHO does not recommend a booster because they see the world view and a significant proportion of the world population is not vaccinated.
save the vaccine for the unvaccinated.
the FDA did authorize the booster dose. the CDC director overruled the advisory panel specifically with regards to add certain high risk groups - healthcare workers. the CDC panel did recommend boosters for elderly and immunocompromised.
save the vaccine for the unvaccinated.
the FDA did authorize the booster dose. the CDC director overruled the advisory panel specifically with regards to add certain high risk groups - healthcare workers. the CDC panel did recommend boosters for elderly and immunocompromised.
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non immunocompromised people don’t need a booster at this point. If the vaccine didn’t work they wouldn’t say hold off on boosters because people would be vulnerable. They just don’t know how long immunity will last for but immunosuppressive individuals showed waning antibody titers.
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For serious morbidity/mortality benefit, there's a good chance you're right.
For protection from symptomatic illness, didn't the Israeli data show a significant improvement with a booster?
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One area of potential concern is myocarditis/ pericarditis, especially if you're a younger male. It seems like there was a much higher chance after 2nd dose, so it's possible that there's an even higher increase in risk after a third, but not enough data yet.
Got mine, then read about that. Probably didn't need to get one. Maybe could have gotten titers to see if I needed one, but not sure how to interpret that either.
Got mine, then read about that. Probably didn't need to get one. Maybe could have gotten titers to see if I needed one, but not sure how to interpret that either.
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I think the myocarditis risk is really being overblown. One pre-print study that got picked up and spread around showing 1/1000 risk of myocarditis, before it was retracted because the actual number of vaccines administered in the population was 25x higher than the number they had used.
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So the highest rate of myo/pericarditis from the vaccine is around 160 cases per millions. That's in teenaged boys.
The lowest rate of myocarditis from a COVID infection in children is 450 per million.
So worst case based on current data shows that COVID causes myo/pericarditis 2.5X more frequently than the vaccine.
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The FDA authorized the EMERGENCY use of a booster - EUA. People are blurring the lines between an EUA, which only requires drug company data, and full vaccine approval, which is a much more comprehensive process.
I have more faith in BIg Pharma/capitalism than many but there is a reason the FDA and the full FDA approval process exists. It's not just a rubber stamp process.
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Right and carditis from vaccine is also less severe than if from Covid, but if you're double vaxxed and wondering if you even need the booster, it's still something to think about
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in this, posted July 20, there is a rate of 12.6 cases per million doses.
in the analysis, they are talking of a total of 57 cases in the >30 age group, who got 51,186,541 doses of vaccine, for an incidence rate of 0.00011%.
or, literally, 1 in a million odds.
yes, it is an amended EUA for the booster dose.
im fairly certain, however, those who got the Pfizer vaccine and are currently considering a booster got the Pfizer vaccine while it was under EUA.
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An anti-vaxxer Edmonton Oiler got COVID and now his hockey career might be over
During the pandemic, forward Josh Archibald made his views about COVID known on social media, tweeting COVID-denial information
Oddly enough, his teammate got COVID last year and also contracted myocarditis. Wonder if athletes get own occupation disability…
