Yale medical students issue demands for diversity

[deleted407021]

I would argue its pretty damn pervasive at Yale...


Also still waiting on an example of institutional racism by a university

Maybe Google it or something? Jeez. There's bound to be an example, somewhere. You're in an Internet thread, not an Intelligence Squared debate.

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[el_duderino]

You should see the handbook I posted in the SPF a couple weeks back. It was for a major state university and had some of the most ridiculous rules about what was and wasn't racist, what should and shouldn't be said. If it's in the institutional guidelines at a school, it is, by definition, the norm under which you must operate.

Can you post it again?

 

[Mad Jack]

Oh, it was UC, and thankfully it was scrapped. It was awful.

Google it or look in the protest thread- I've got a presentation I have to give in a bit I need to get ready for. The official document was what I posted, and it was a horrifying conglomeration of microagressions and such nonsense. "America is the land of opportunity" and "anyone can succeed if they work hard" were amongst the lovely examples of microaggression provided.

 

[The Knife & Gun Club]

Maybe Google it or something? Jeez. There's bound to be an example, somewhere. You're in an Internet thread, not an Intelligence Squared debate.

The problem is there's not really a good example. There's Mizzou, Yale, and Claremont McKenna but all in my opinion are not institutional racism, but individual awkwardly worded statements or a "lack of acknowledgment" but none of this constitutes actual racism much less on an institutional scale.

The only mildly relevant thing I can find is the Emory President making some idiotic comment about the 3/5ths compromise , and that was years ago.

So I maintain, if someone can provide a concrete example of institutional racism at a university I'll stop bugging ya'll.

 

[What is up doc?]

Trouble is, I think a lot of these people are going to bring that same sense of outrage to the workplace and I'll have to deal with their crap as they invade HR departments around the country.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't. HR reps need to buff up

 

[What is up doc?]

Oh, it was UC, and thankfully it was scrapped. It was awful.

Google it or look in the protest thread- I've got a presentation I have to give in a bit I need to get ready for. The official document was what I posted, and it was a horrifying conglomeration of microagressions and such nonsense. "America is the land of opportunity" and "anyone can succeed if they work hard" were amongst the lovely examples of microaggression provided.

Yeah, I read about this. It was pretty over the top. I also read that the student government at a UC school voted on, and approved, a ban on the American flag on campus because they argue it celebrates colonialism, oppression, etc. Fortunately, the administration shut this ish down swiftly.

 

[deleted407021]

Yeah, I read about this. It was pretty over the top. I also read that the student government at a UC school voted on, and approved, a ban on the American flag on campus because they argue it celebrates colonialism, oppression, etc. Fortunately, the administration shut this ish down swiftly.

It does. But it also represents the ideals of America -- freedom, liberty, justice. All that jazz, which probably overshadow the darker events it's flown over.

 

[Roxas]

Oh, it was UC, and thankfully it was scrapped. It was awful.

Google it or look in the protest thread- I've got a presentation I have to give in a bit I need to get ready for. The official document was what I posted, and it was a horrifying conglomeration of microagressions and such nonsense. "America is the land of opportunity" and "anyone can succeed if they work hard" were amongst the lovely examples of microaggression provided.

One of my family members is a university professor who received explicit instructions from the Dean that they and their department are no longer allowed to use the phrase "land of opportunity" when referring to the US.

Freaking sickening

 

[The Knife & Gun Club]

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7041

"Fatness is a form of diversity"

 

[deleted407021]

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7041

"Fatness is a form of diversity"

Nope!

 

[el_duderino]

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7041

"Fatness is a form of diversity"

What, are you offended by these claims? Interesting.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

What, are you offended by these claims? Interesting.

I think irritated would be a better word.

 

[Doudline]

http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=7041

"Fatness is a form of diversity"

Ironically, thinness is the more significant form of diversity in this country...

 

[Krupke]

What, are you offended by these claims? Interesting.

It's possible to disagree with something/find something stupid without being offended. ~the point of this thread~

 

[Goro]

Or appalled.

I think irritated would be a better word.

 

[deleted407021]

What, are you offended by these claims? Interesting.

Kind of. I usually get offended when something has the potential to harm people. Being so aggressively anti-fat shaming to the point where you fail to acknowledge unhealthy lifestyles and body compositions isn't good.

 

[Mad Jack]

One of my family members is a university professor who received explicit instructions from the Dean that they and their department are no longer allowed to use the phrase "land of opportunity" when referring to the US.

Freaking sickening

What the actual ****.

 

[PathoTurnUp1865]

It actually is a thing. Trigger warnings and professors being forced to drop certain topics from their curricula are the norm at many schools, not the exception.

I've actually been in a class where a student told the professor that the subject made them feel uncomfortable. The look he gave her was priceless.

 

[el_duderino]

Kind of. I usually get offended when something has the potential to harm people. Being so aggressively anti-fat shaming to the point where you fail to acknowledge unhealthy lifestyles and body compositions isn't good.

To be fair, we don't know much about the class or how much it centers on critique of those reading materials and so forth.

 

[Psai]

It is a thing. I dont think as many university students support it as the media makes out, but there is a vocal group that is calling for this kind of stuff.

For example, at my school there is a gay professor teaching a biology of gender course. He got called out by a crazy lesbian girl (who now goes by other pronouns, I think?), he said something like "a male's penis blahblahblh." She was angry and started a petition because his language was transphobic and hateful. Not all male's have penises. Obviously he didnt mean anything by his statement, but the girl went after him anyways because he was "making class unsafe." It's policing everything that everyone says

Not all male's what

The vast majority of males have a penis

 

[Silence in ER]

@Silence in ER But that's the problem. I agree with you that there are socioeconomic issues and some racial disparities. However, what these college protestors are going after is not related to those issues. Like removing Woodrow Wilson's affiliation with Princeton will not address any issues, will not put us on a path to addressing issues, and will not change the social environment at Princeton.

I support resources that help low-income students transition to college- definitely would've helped me and lots of other students. Even give rich black students room in the resource center if they need it. There's a difference between me getting support so I suceed despite the fact that my social status sometimes makes me feel like I dont fit in and demanding that the school force everyone who makes me feel like I dont fit in to change themselves.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ This is what's being argued against.

Well, these are ways to start a dialogue about those issues. I went to Columbia and when I walked past the statue of Jefferson every day I thought about the fact that he worked to help found this nation's republic, how he was a man of great ideas,

but he also owned slaves.


And regarding WIlson, sure he was a great statesman, but he also further entrenched discrimination against African Americans.

And what did it cost the average African American?

Well, this article is a great example:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/24/opinion/what-woodrow-wilson-cost-my-grandfather.html?_r=0


Does that mean we should remove all the Jefferson statues and Woodrow Wilson names from buildings? I honestly do think that's a bit much, but at least we need to reexamine whom we hold to be our heroes and whether they are worthy of that title.


And I read the coddling of the American mind, and I think it oversimplifies the issue in ways I haven't really been able to articulate clearly yet.

However, I think we are mistaken if we continually dismiss these student's concerns as out of hand.
Clearly, there are social and racial inequalities, how can we address this? and what are these students perhaps inarticulately trying to say?

That's what I am interested in.

 

[Silence in ER]

It actually is a thing. Trigger warnings and professors being forced to drop certain topics from their curricula are the norm at many schools, not the exception.

Really?

I haven't seen this at my alma mater.
is it really that widespread?

 

[JFS]

So I maintain, if someone can provide a concrete example of institutional racism at a university I'll stop bugging ya'll.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3833271/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19727966
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17200221
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771235/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518023/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2569716/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12691977

Since some of the negative comments are regarding my generation I elected to look for articles about those further in training. This was from a quick search and I included an article on pregnancy to show this is not just a race issue.

Some background: I am a Hispanic student born in a different country and was poor most of my life. I have very little in common with many of my classmates. Sometimes they will say things that can come across as offensive, but I’ve never felt they were malicious. I do consider them “privileged” in the sense that some of them had access to resources and networking that I did not, but I don’t count this against them as I sure as hell will give said resources to my children. I’m only an MS2 so I can’t comment on MS3 and beyond, but my interactions with physicians so far have been pleasant. Do note that according to the literature I posted, black residents and physicians are more likely to run into issues compared to Hispanics, so take my perspective with a grain of salt.

Re: the Yale situation. I agree that the demands by the Yale undergraduate students are silly and use up valuable political capital that should be used for real issues. Some of these issues have been mentioned before in this thread, like less funding going to lower SES schools, greater incarceration rates, and discrimination by police. Don’t ask me how to fix these problems as I have no idea.

Regarding the demands by the med students:

Re: Anti-oppressive curriculum. I don’t have the slightest clue what they mean by this.

Re: online bias reporting system. Seems rather specific. I think if a student or faculty member is saying something genuinely racist/sexist/whatever-ist it should fall under the purview of professionalism.

Re: diversity in faculty. Some of the pubmed articles specifically mention how minorities feel unsupported. Physicians at my own institution have privately expressed these feelings to me. Part of the issue is how big of a circle-jerk it becomes: physicians feel unsupported -> lower retention rates -> students see the lack of diversity -> feel unsupported or concerned -> they leave.

Some of the other demands like mental health, financial aid advisers, expansion of basic health plan and so on don’t seem crazy at all if they include all Yale med students.

 

[Psai]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3833271/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19727966
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17200221
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771235/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518023/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2569716/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12691977

Since some of the negative comments are regarding my generation, so I elected to look for articles about those further in training. This was from a quick search and I included an article on pregnancy to show this is not just a race issue.

Some background: I am a Hispanic student born in a different country and was poor most of my life. I have very little in common with many of my classmates. Sometimes they will say things that can come across as offensive, but I’ve never felt they were malicious. I do consider them “privileged” in the sense that some of them had access to resources and networking that I did not, but I don’t count this against them as I sure as hell will give said resources to my children. I’m only an MS2 so I can’t comment on MS3 and beyond, but my interactions with physicians so far have been pleasant. Do note that according to the literature I posted, black residents and physicians are more likely to run into issues compared to Hispanics, so take my perspective with a grain of salt.

Re: the Yale situation. I agree that the demands by the Yale undergraduate students are silly and use up valuable political capital that should be used for real issues. Some of these issues have been mentioned before in this thread, like less funding going to lower SES schools, greater incarceration rates, and discrimination by police. Don’t ask me how to fix these problems as I have no idea.

Regarding the demands by the med students:

Re: Anti-oppressive curriculum. I don’t have the slightest clue what they mean by this.

Re: online bias reporting system. Seems rather specific. I think if a student or faculty member is saying something genuinely racist/sexist/whatever-ist it should fall under the purview of professionalism.

Re: diversity in faculty. Some the pubmed articles specifically mention how minorities feel unsupported. Physicians at my own institution have privately expressed these feelings to me. Part of the issue is how big of a circle-jerk it becomes: physicians feel unsupported -> lower retention rates -> students see the lack of diversity -> feel unsupported or concerned -> they leave.

Some of the other demands like mental health, financial aid advisers, expansion of basic health plan and so on don’t seem crazy at all if they include all Yale med students.

Pretty sure that Yale medical students aren't leaving from seeing a lack of diversity

 

[amichel]

Pretty sure that Yale medical students aren't leaving from seeing a lack of diversity

Leave for residency or practice. Not drop out of med school.

 

[The Knife & Gun Club]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3833271/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19727966
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17200221
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771235/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2518023/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2569716/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12691977

Since some of the negative comments are regarding my generation, so I elected to look for articles about those further in training. This was from a quick search and I included an article on pregnancy to show this is not just a race issue.

Some background: I am a Hispanic student born in a different country and was poor most of my life. I have very little in common with many of my classmates. Sometimes they will say things that can come across as offensive, but I’ve never felt they were malicious. I do consider them “privileged” in the sense that some of them had access to resources and networking that I did not, but I don’t count this against them as I sure as hell will give said resources to my children. I’m only an MS2 so I can’t comment on MS3 and beyond, but my interactions with physicians so far have been pleasant. Do note that according to the literature I posted, black residents and physicians are more likely to run into issues compared to Hispanics, so take my perspective with a grain of salt.

Re: the Yale situation. I agree that the demands by the Yale undergraduate students are silly and use up valuable political capital that should be used for real issues. Some of these issues have been mentioned before in this thread, like less funding going to lower SES schools, greater incarceration rates, and discrimination by police. Don’t ask me how to fix these problems as I have no idea.

Regarding the demands by the med students:

Re: Anti-oppressive curriculum. I don’t have the slightest clue what they mean by this.

Re: online bias reporting system. Seems rather specific. I think if a student or faculty member is saying something genuinely racist/sexist/whatever-ist it should fall under the purview of professionalism.

Re: diversity in faculty. Some the pubmed articles specifically mention how minorities feel unsupported. Physicians at my own institution have privately expressed these feelings to me. Part of the issue is how big of a circle-jerk it becomes: physicians feel unsupported -> lower retention rates -> students see the lack of diversity -> feel unsupported or concerned -> they leave.

Some of the other demands like mental health, financial aid advisers, expansion of basic health plan and so on don’t seem crazy at all if they include all Yale med students.

What an incredibly well thought out, reasonable response. I wish we got more of these around here.

 

[Psai]

just saw a short video on facebook where a girl had a bunch of balloons and one popped and some vets on the couch pretended to freak out and pull out guns cause of ptsd. supposed to be funny but got replies like

Annabelle: That isn't funny at ALL!!! I have a large amount of friends and family that r n military and that have PTSD! That is a serious thing. Just the smallest thing can send them in to a raged out panics or into a crying baby. This vid is in REALLY poor taste and they should b ashamed to have been involved in it

Ashley: Because they can control their PTSD like that. That's so ****ed up. Let's seriously hope no one in your damn family goes to war and comes back with it. I bet they would love to see this.

Tamara: Are we making fun of PTSD now....smh ....really?

Kayla: SO DISRESPECTFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amanda: This is disgusting and disrespectful. What they dont show is the panic and how an episode can escalate and people do get hurt.

Then actual vets said

DeAndray: I am amazed at how sensitive and soft people are now a days. People get so offended, especially when **** has nothing to do with them. I'm a vet, I have PTSD and I find this video quit hilarious. It's vets making a video about vet ****. I'm trying to figure out why people feel it's necessary to go over the top in letting everyone know how offended they are like their going to win some pansy ass award. If you don't like it, shut up and move on. Everything is not meant to cater to your feelings! This is why our military is getting soft and doesn't put fear in the eyes of our enemies anymore! Filling up with tree huggers and ****ing cry babies!

Leroy: I'm a vet. Many deployments to the Stan and Iraq. Former Airborne 82nd infantry and that **** made me spit my coffee. It's humor that's real. It's ok to make light. If things are that bad go talk to someone. I did. You have to find yourself again cause he/she in there. Y'all be well. **** was funny tho

 

[FindMeOnTheLinks]

This thread seems to be in a bit of a lull and I don't like it. So here's another one for ya's. A friend of mine (he actually is a member on SDN) posted an article to our class facebook page, warning of NP encroachment. Not being able to help myself, I voiced my support and provided a few resources to back up those claims. Lo and behold, said friend and I received a facebook message from a 2nd year at our school (we're 1st years) accusing us of "hatred and bigotry" towards NP's because we referred to them as midlevels and "implied" MD/DO superiority. No joke.

 

[charmiedermie]

This thread seems to be in a bit of a lull and I don't like it. So here's another one for ya's. A friend of mine (he actually is a member on SDN) posted an article to our class facebook page, warning of NP encroachment. Not being able to help myself, I voiced my support and provided a few resources to back up those claims. Lo and behold, said friend and I received a facebook message from a 2nd year at our school (we're 1st years) accusing us of "hatred and bigotry" towards NP's because we referred to them as midlevels and implied MD/DO superiority. No joke.

When you get to third year, you'll see there are certain specialties that are very, for lack of a better word, collectivist in nature. I hated them for that reason alone. I guess some people like working in a team with no one being more important than someone else.

 

[PlsHelp]

reading the entirety of the first page, I was genuinely shocked and taken aback at the closet racism exhibited in this post. Let me get this straight, because people of color are saying that there is a lack of representation of Non-White profs, and because they shine a light on problems that PoC face, they are being verbally attacked? It's not about being PC, it's about trying to be more inclusive and close the gap

 

[GUH]

reading the entirety of the first page, I was genuinely shocked and taken aback at the closet racism exhibited in this post. Let me get this straight, because people of color are saying that there is a lack of representation of Non-White profs, and because they shine a light on problems that PoC face, they are being verbally attacked? It's not about being PC, it's about trying to be more inclusive and close the gap

"You disagree with what some people say, therefore you're a closet racist"
You're going to have to fill in some gaps there.

 

[PlsHelp]

Social justice warfare has nothing to do with solving real problems and has everything to do with people trying to escape the constraints of their own bleeding heart identity politics. These people live in a simplistic world of black and white: rich vs poor, black vs white, men vs women, patriarchy and "hegemony." They are the beneficiaries of the very types of privilege that they vilify and the only way to escape their own wrath is to claim clemency as the advocates of the powerless.

I'm sorry, do you think you know what you're talking about because you study philosophy? In your privileged world, you claim to know the motives of and feelings of those who were born in a system set against them? The way that you are speaking, I can tell you are not of African descent. In which case, you have no right to criticize their feelings.
"Social justice warfare has nothing to do with solving real problems." <-- this is completely stupid. it has everything to do with solving real problems. Med schools with only one demographic of professors is in no way providing a multifaceted experience. It's all completely one-sided. In a nation where the growing trend is that whites will no longer be the majority in a few years (with PoC numbers, primarily hispanic, so greatly increasing) I would think more people would find it important to have better-rounded doctors that can identify and best treat PoC.

To me, becoming a doctor is more than just healing through prescriptions. It's about being able to identify with your patient, to comfort them during their most trying times. This ranges from those who have all the money in the world to the parts of our population living in poverty. I honestly expected more sensitivity

 

[PlsHelp]

"You disagree with what some people say, therefore you're a closet racist"
You're going to have to fill in some gaps there.

"These damn oberma babies."
"Call the whaaaaaambulance."
"Alpern should just dump the entire class. Bunch of whiny babies. Crap like this is happening at my school too. Honestly makes our entire profession look worse."

Right, of course. Because how dare PoC try to make reformations in a flawed system? They should be happy that we accepted them and shut up!

Where have I heard this line of thinking before? Oh right, maybe you might want to check on the White Student Union pages that they now have on facebook.

 

[wjs010]

Lol.

 

[wjs010]

The most racist of all... Claiming your school needs more professors of a certain color, any color. Hipsters trying to get attention and who don't take 2 seconds to realize their type of racism. What a shame... I'm probably in their gen, but why is our young gen so naive, ignorant, butthurt, and ball-less? Help!" Someone said a woman was cooking!" Yea, are women not allowed to cook? Why can't everyone cook? Lol. Hipster Med students- making all the noise and probably not doing anything about it.

 

[OnePunchBiopsy]

Lol. Hipster Med students- making all the noise and probably not doing anything about it.

My med school facebook page uploaded a picture of some random classmates "standing in solidarity."

 

[PlsHelp]

The most racist of all... Claiming your school needs more professors of a certain color, any color. Hipsters trying to get attention and who don't take 2 seconds to realize their type of racism. What a shame... I'm probably in their gen, but why is our young gen so naive, ignorant, butthurt, and ball-less? Help!" Someone said a woman was cooking!" Yea, are women not allowed to cook? Why can't everyone cook? Lol. Hipster Med students- making all the noise and probably not doing anything about it.

"Yeah it's so racist. These minority students wanting diversity, reverse racism!!11!"

Why do white people feel that diversity is racist? Oh, I guess because they can't stand losing a little bit of power for once...

 

[SKaminski]

"Yeah it's so racist. These minority students wanting diversity, reverse racism!!11!"

Why do white people feel that diversity is racist? Oh, I guess because they can't stand losing a little bit of power for once...

I am a white person. Diversity is not racist. However, appointing individuals to positions of power because of their race is almost the definition of racism.

 

[GUH]

"These damn oberma babies."
"Call the whaaaaaambulance."
"Alpern should just dump the entire class. Bunch of whiny babies. Crap like this is happening at my school too. Honestly makes our entire profession look worse."

Direct quotes... with no racial implications.

Right, of course. Because how dare PoC try to make reformations in a flawed system? They should be happy that we accepted them and shut up!

Nobody here said this.

 

[PlsHelp]

I am a white person. Diversity is not racist. However, appointing individuals to positions of power because of their race is almost the definition of racism.

No, it's not. Seeking to increase diversity is not racist. If the person is qualified, as well as add a different demographic, why not accept them and broaden the views of your students? I personally hate the fact that there are no profs at my university who are minorities (aside from the Japanese/Spanish class profs.)

If you think that this would be racism, then you must believe that Affirmative Action is racist too (even though those who are minorities make up the smallest percentages in college and work forces.) Even today, when applying for jobs, those who had the SAME EXACT resume, with the exception of one name sounding more "black" and one sounding more "white," the white-sounding resume was much more likely to receive an interview.

 

[PlsHelp]

Direct quotes... with no racial implications.

Nobody here said this.

You clearly missed the point. That was not a quote, that was my commentary in reaction to those quotes that I had posted...connect the dots.

For further clarification, it was sarcasm.

 

[OnePunchBiopsy]

"Oh, I guess because they can't stand losing a little bit of power for once...

Power?

If you saw white students forming "safe places" and tossing out black students there would be national outrage and massive expulsion from the university. The power lies with those who can play the race card.

I believe there is only one race, the human race, and how tightly packaged your melanosomes are should not be a reflection of your character or give you a leg up above another person.

 

[GUH]

You clearly missed the point. That was not a quote, that was my commentary in reaction to those quotes that I had posted...connect the dots.

For further clarification, it was sarcasm.

Ah, so nobody even said those things. Got it.

 

[OnePunchBiopsy]

No, it's not. Seeking to increase diversity is not racist. If the person is qualified, as well as add a different demographic, why not accept them and broaden the views of your students?

I 100% agree with you. Diversity should be about broadening views, and not be conducted on a racial basis.

Why not remove "race" from college/med school applications and let the acquired qualities of the applicant be the determinant of acceptance?

 

[PlsHelp]

I 100% agree with you. Diversity should be about broadening views, and not be conducted on a racial basis.

Why not remove "race" from college/med school applications and let the acquired qualities of the applicant be the determinant of acceptance?

Because in removing factors such as race, gender, and economic status, you won't be able to judge holistically. Think about it: The privileged guy who could afford tutors, winter and summer courses to boost GPA, expensive MCAT, and personal interviewing lessons vs
Women: who are underrepresented in STEM and are encouraged by society to focus on other things, as well as experience sexism, etc
Minorities: Who, in and of itself, usually have less opportunities. Profiling, FAR higher rates of incarceration than whites (even though, when compared to whites, are arrested at a far lower rates for the same crime)
Economic Standing: Can't afford to do internships, shadowing, etc because they're paying their way through college and taking care of their siblings.

Being aware of race, and the issues that it presents, is not racism. Just as being "colorblind" helps nobody.

 

[OnePunchBiopsy]

 

[username456789]

If you think that this would be racism, then you must believe that Affirmative Action is racist too

Are you kidding? Affirmative action absolutely is racist. That is not really up for debate.

I think you just tipped your hand as a troll.

 

[PlsHelp]

Are you kidding? Affirmative action absolutely is racist. That is not really up for debate.

I think you just tipped your hand as a troll.

Please tell me how affirmative action is racist. Especially since the MAJORITY of those who benefit from Affirmative Action are white females. I'll wait.
That's right, not blacks, hispanics, etc. White Women.
Let's get one thing straight: Affirmative Action does not mean "This person isn't qualified, but they're black so they get it! Sorry white person who was more qualified!"
Even with affirmative action, the black population at most universities are <10% while the white population is always >50%.
Affirmative Action levels the playing field of those that were BORN with a disadvantage, namely their skin tone. If you read the past comment I made, Tyrone and John Smith have the same resume, but John Smith has a significantly higher chance of getting an interview.



You guys may be good at science, but it hurts to see how ignorant many of you are when it comes to this. This is exactly why we need more PoC teaching at these med schools.

 

[OnePunchBiopsy]

Because in removing factors such as race, gender, and economic status, you won't be able to judge holistically.

I never said to remove gender or SES. Just race. Gender and SES are huge factors for the opportunities life holds, I get that.

Why is this so hard for people to wrap their head around? By not judging someone by the color of their skin, why am I being accused of being "color blind," when it is the very act of profiling people by color that has led to (actual) crimes against humanity and the (actual) unfair treatment of people throughout history?

So by considering color I am a racist and by not considering color I am a racist. That, my friends, is the heart of this problem.

Done with this thread, goodnight.

 

[PlsHelp]

The reason I continue commenting is because when groups of like-minded, ignorant people congregate and all agree with each others' discriminatory line of thought, it's perpetuated and it's made out to seem like it's OK. Even feel as though your group is the oppressed one, which is how the White Student Union pages were formed.

I've seen comments on here insinuating that these students don't care, or are caught up in some faux revolutionist mindset. One person even said "Oh they didn't care before, why do they care now?" And nobody points out how wrong this line of thinking is. Before people thought that segregation was fine, does that make it OK?