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2020 nrmp data shows pretty much over 90% people match in DR regardless of step score range. is the demand that high? or is it cuz community programs lead to this high increase in match rate?
2020 nrmp data shows pretty much over 90% people match in DR regardless of step score range. is the demand that high? or is it cuz community programs lead to this high increase in match rate?
There’s a bipolar distribution. You have programs with 245-260 range applicants and then shady ones with 225-235 range. That’s why the mean is still 243. You can probably do rads somewhere with a 225 but it will most likely be a garbage program
What is your question even?2020 nrmp data shows pretty much over 90% people match in DR regardless of step score range. is the demand that high? or is it cuz community programs lead to this high increase in match rate?
Name one garbage program. Truth is that you'll become a great radiologist no matter where you train thanks to acgme doing its job.
Demand for radiologists is still good, no one cares where you trained lol. No unemployed radiologists
my original question was why is the match rate so high when it is perceived as a competitive specialty.What is your question even?
2020 nrmp data shows pretty much over 97% positions are filled in DR. is the supply that high? or is it cuz top tier medical students lead to this high increase in fill rate?
Self-selection also affects this.my original question was why is the match rate so high when it is perceived as a competitive specialty.
i dont understand. there are many people applying to DR with all range of board scores and they pretty much all match...where is the self-selection?Self-selection also affects this.
I think that the match rate would be worse if there was not a perceived level of competitiveness. It would mean more people applying for the same level of spots. I think the nitty gritty analysis of specialty competitiveness is kind of useless because it's based on too many loose factors. And besides, who cares? Apply to the field if you like it and understand it. Or don't lol.i dont understand. there are many people applying to DR with all range of board scores and they pretty much all match...where is the self-selection?
guess im gonna strike while the iron is hotI think that the match rate would be worse if there was not a perceived level of competitiveness. It would mean more people applying for the same level of spots. I think the nitty gritty analysis of specialty competitiveness is kind of useless because it's based on too many loose factors. And besides, who cares? Apply to the field if you like it and understand it. Or don't lol.
The perceived competitiveness is from the center of the board score distribution, not the range. Radiology is the largest specialty that has a mean Step 1 >240 among matched applicants. As you point out, the match rate is high, so this high mean must be due to self-selection. People judged competitiveness not only by the match rate, but also the likelihood that they personally can match at the program they want. If you have a 235, you're below average and even though you will likely match, it is less likely to be at the program that you want than if the entire field of applicants were shifted to the level of internal medicine or pediatrics.i dont understand. there are many people applying to DR with all range of board scores and they pretty much all match...where is the self-selection?
This definitely played some role in my specialty selection among two specialties I liked more or less equally. We'll see if this is hubris by me after this cycle, but I was far more worried about what kind of program I would likely match to and how that would affect pursuing specific goals if I became x specialty doc versus y specialty doc than just simply matching to the specialty at all.The perceived competitiveness is from the center of the board score distribution, not the range. Radiology is the largest specialty that has a mean Step 1 >240 among matched applicants. As you point out, the match rate is high, so this high mean must be due to self-selection. People judged competitiveness not only by the match rate, but also the likelihood that they personally can match at the program they want. If you have a 235, you're below average and even though you will likely match, it is less likely to be at the program that you want than if the entire field of applicants were shifted to the level of internal medicine or pediatrics.
so people are just good at applying and subsequently ranking programs that they wanna end up in? i mean i guess that makes sense. but its crazy to think that everyone knows what programs will take them...esp so much so to the point that the match rate is insanely highThe perceived competitiveness is from the center of the board score distribution, not the range. Radiology is the largest specialty that has a mean Step 1 >240 among matched applicants. As you point out, the match rate is high, so this high mean must be due to self-selection. People judged competitiveness not only by the match rate, but also the likelihood that they personally can match at the program they want. If you have a 235, you're below average and even though you will likely match, it is less likely to be at the program that you want than if the entire field of applicants were shifted to the level of internal medicine or pediatrics.
I wouldn't characterize it as everyone knows what programs will take them. Last year, the average US grad applying to DR submitted 48 applications. That's sounds more like a shotgun approach.so people are just good at applying and subsequently ranking programs that they wanna end up in? i mean i guess that makes sense. but its crazy to think that everyone knows what programs will take them...esp so much so to the point that the match rate is insanely high
that was my second thought lolLol...why are we speculating? Isn't it obvious? The match rate is high because there are a ton of spots. Supply. That's all. Yes, the top end is competitive, just like any other specialty. FM at MGH is going to be super competitive no matter what.
Lol...why are we speculating? Isn't it obvious? The match rate is high because there are a ton of spots. Supply. That's all. Yes, the top end is competitive, just like any other specialty. FM at MGH is going to be super competitive no matter what.
I think more people would apply if they had a better understanding of the field and the variations of practice. The average student has a terrible idea of how life works for any specialty outside the academic center but I think non-core specialties are even harder to truly understand. I think it suffers the opposite problems of anesthesiology in a way too. Everyone thinks anesthesia is some dream land of 7-3 bliss and everyone thinks radiology is sitting in the dark alone reading negative chest x rays and AI taking their job in 3 years.This. No reason to over complicate it. Supply of spots is pretty much equal to demand for spots. Thus high match rates. Rads has always been interesting in that average stats are high but match rate is also high. All that means is that the top and middle of the road programs are going to be competitive (as those average applicants with 240s will on average end up at average programs) while getting any spot at all isn’t that hard.
The real question is why don’t more people apply? And that’s probably because of radiology being a pretty unique specialty with less patient interaction. Either that appeals to you or it doesn’t.
That's the perfect example because MGH does not have an FM program.Lol...why are we speculating? Isn't it obvious? The match rate is high because there are a ton of spots. Supply. That's all. Yes, the top end is competitive, just like any other specialty. FM at MGH is going to be super competitive no matter what.
That's the perfect example because MGH does not have an FM program.
i guess this q was what i was trying to figure outThe real question is why don’t more people apply? And that’s probably because of radiology being a pretty unique specialty with less patient interaction. Either that appeals to you or it doesn’t.
dw no one doesI am just saying. Did not bother to look up where the competitive FM programs are.
It did with me, I took 1 look at that step 1 average of 240 and was like nope. Now here I am. Life's funnySelf-selection also affects this.
Hope you are doing well and intern year isn't killing you before you get to the good life!It did with me, I took 1 look at that step 1 average of 240 and was like nope. Now here I am. Life's funny
6 more months in the surface world...Hope you are doing well and intern year isn't killing you before you get to the good life!