We have hired a doc almost every single year for probably 15+ years, sometimes 2 in a year. The funny thing is, we have had multiple people turn down our offers in the last 5 years.
All on the partnership track?
We have hired a doc almost every single year for probably 15+ years, sometimes 2 in a year. The funny thing is, we have had multiple people turn down our offers in the last 5 years.
yes aside from a few docs that just wanted part time non call positionsAll on the partnership track?
The only benefit to radiology that i can see is that youre shielded from surgeon bs in the OR. During my radiology rotation in med school, surgeons actually came to the reading rm for questions and asking for help with images,
damn, she clearing 300k nice. Can't knock it if she putting that much hours in
Her bi-weekly paycheck is $11,950 pre-taxes which amounts to over $310-320k if she's married (assuming from her tax deductions). I've seen full time anesthesiologists making $350k in cities with 50k pop or higher. This is ridiculous based on what CRNA's get paid while having a ton of lesser debt
She hid her hours. She's prolly working way more than average CRNA. But you right, having the opportunity to become a physician is so easy now (carribean, DO schools), that these people who choose to be NP/PA/CRNA are kind of sad. They have this "backdoor" way and want to be treated like physicians but in fact, any monkey with half a brain can enter nursing school, and then go along be a CRNA, etc.
She actually put up a video titled "Do I call myself a Doctor"...I mean the audacityShe hid her hours. She's prolly working way more than average CRNA. But you right, having the opportunity to become a physician is so easy now (carribean, DO schools), that these people who choose to be NP/PA/CRNA and treated like physicians are kind of sad. They have this "backdoor" way and want to be treated like physicians but in fact, any monkey with half a brain can enter nursing school, and then go along be a CRNA, etc. But that's neither here nor there. The problem with tons of debt in medical schools etc. is a different problem that's perpetuated by school admins etc, has nothing to do with CRNA pay/their tuition.
If she's getting >300k as a CRNA I would say she has more of a brain than the people who go to Caribbean medical schools or take out >300K in student loans to go to a DO school and do family med/peds. Those Caribbean medical schools will literally take anyone who applies so I don't really see that as a more respectable option.
Increasing the role of CRNAs wouldn't affect Family Med or Peds job but Anesthesiologists alone. None of the NP/PA roles in those FM/Peds are paid even close to their physician counterpartsIf she's getting >300k as a CRNA I would say she has more of a brain than the people who go to Caribbean medical schools or take out >300K in student loans to go to a DO school and do family med/peds. Those Caribbean medical schools will literally take anyone who applies so I don't really see that as a more respectable option.
She actually put up a video titled "Do I call myself a Doctor"...I mean the audacity
Nursing associations and lobbying groups play a crucial role in regulating the pay of CRNA's and NP's in general...they're also the prime reason why more and more states are allowing CRNA's to practice without the supervision of an anesthesiologist
Nope, not tryna trigger anyone and no offense to CRNAs. Simply pointing out that they'd increasingly want to be on par with physicians not just in terms of pay but responsibility and recognitionCan't tell if you're just trying to trigger people lmao. yeah she said she doesn't introduce herself as one.
damn, she clearing 300k nice. Can't knock it if she putting that much hours in
I mean this chick is 99 percent mgma. Or even more than that. The 25 percent mgma anesthesia Md is higher
She lives Charleston, WV which isn't really bad with a pop of 51k and is the largest city in WV. It makes sense if she was living in the middle of no where in the states bordering CanadaLet’s not pretend these CRNAs making that kind of money are working in the locations or the hours hardly any of us would consider desirable. I know a handful of CRNAs making mid to upper-mid 200s taking constant call in crap locations. You couldn’t pay me enough to take those jobs honestly....so they’re filling a need even though I wholeheartedly disagree with them not having supervision, it’s just not safe nor is it in the best interest of the patient.
I was gonna say... I know it’s WV and all and this board only cares about LA and NYC, but she’s making > 300k living in a state capital. And she just got outta school! I’m jealous!
Her job sounds better than @anbuitachi. She probably makes more. And that dude has no cme fund. And he takes like 8 24-hr calls in a one week timeframe. And his surgeons call him ‘anesthesia’ only on good days. And the admins dont let him in the nurses lounge much less the MD lounge. Matter of fact, I bet @anbuitachi has to call THAT CRNA for induction.
Let’s not pretend these CRNAs making that kind of money are working in the locations or the hours hardly any of us would consider desirable. I know a handful of CRNAs making mid to upper-mid 200s taking constant call in crap locations. You couldn’t pay me enough to take those jobs honestly....so they’re filling a need even though I wholeheartedly disagree with them not having supervision, it’s just not safe nor is it in the best interest of the patient.
the only way to fight PE taking a bigger cut or medicare for all is to unionize all anesthesia providers
I dont know about that. If they offer me 300k. I'd laugh and say the median is somewhere around 450k, so unless they have major comps I'm walking.You guys actually believe in the MGMA numbers? Those numbers are fabricated to benefit employers so that when they lowball you 300k you think you're getting a fair offer. There are several states that mandate public salaries for public workers. Look up what CRNAs make at University of California medical centers...its 200k-250k to work 36 hours a week. Many do per diem/part time at private practices on their weeks off and pull in another 100k.
I dont know about that. If they offer me 300k. I'd laugh and say the median is somewhere around 450k, so unless they have major comps I'm walking.
24 weeks off right?There’s a group, as recent as 2 years ago, offered low 2’s for full time employment. No calls, granted.... but 2’s. If you’re fellowship trained and BC, maybe mid 2’s.
24 weeks off right?
There’s a group, as recent as 2 years ago, offered low 2’s for full time employment. No calls, granted.... but 2’s. If you’re fellowship trained and BC, maybe mid 2’s.
That is so predatory I don't know what to say.
Com’on that’s not even the best part...... the best part is, it’s a five year partnership. That’s right folks, five. Because it’s soooo good, that some people joined the partnership track before there were even spots open. Took one guy 7 years. Also you won’t get many weekday calls, Friday and Saturday calls in the beginning.....
True story.
A: I lol’dI was gonna say... I know it’s WV and all and this board only cares about LA and NYC, but she’s making > 300k living in a state capital. And she just got outta school! I’m jealous!
Her job sounds better than @anbuitachi. She probably makes more. And that dude has no cme fund. And he takes like 8 24-hr calls in a one week timeframe. And his surgeons call him ‘anesthesia’ only on good days. And the admins dont let him in the nurses lounge much less the MD lounge. Matter of fact, I bet @anbuitachi has to call THAT CRNA for induction.
Supply vs Demand. Very few great partnerships avail so some are willing to gamble on a 5 year track. 3 year track for USAP with a pseudo partnership vs 5 years for a real partnership with greater than 95th MGMA. I can see why some sign up.
For a 5 year buy-in that practice had better be EXCELLENT. I mean the only reason they’re looking is due to death or retirement. It should be an ”offer you can’t refuse” type practice. Even 3 years is pushing it. I feel like 2 years is fair for both the applicant and the employer as it’s plenty of time for both to evaluate.The buy in is just too great, I think. It’s at least over a million conservatively, more if it’s true mgma 95th%.
Right, what exactly are you going to learn about someone year 5 versus year 1-2? NOTHING.For a 5 year buy-in that practice had better be EXCELLENT. I mean the only reason they’re looking is due to death or retirement. It should be an ”offer you can’t refuse” type practice. Even 3 years is pushing it. I feel like 2 years is fair for both the applicant and the employer as it’s plenty of time for both to evaluate.
Right, what exactly are you going to learn about someone year 5 versus year 1-2? NOTHING.
Apparently a lot given these positions fill.How much more can we f$ck you?
You guys actually believe in the MGMA numbers? Those numbers are fabricated to benefit employers so that when they lowball you 300k you think you're getting a fair offer. There are several states that mandate public salaries for public workers. Look up what CRNAs make at University of California medical centers...its 200k-250k to work 36 hours a week. Many do per diem/part time at private practices on their weeks off and pull in another 100k.
There’s a group, as recent as 2 years ago, offered low 2’s for full time employment. No calls, granted.... but 2’s. If you’re fellowship trained and BC, maybe mid 2’s.
Metro Anesthesia in Dallas does this. 250K 1099 for 3 years. 250k is insulting on its own, but then they just bend you over with the 1099. What a ****ty setup.
At least you can do the employer contribution to 401k! As well as the employer tax heh
Group at Good Samaritan hospital in Long Island also bends people over with a 5 year track. Unnecessarily long, they screw over the new guys with tough cases and they are losing contracts to Northwell. No guaranteed partnership and no guarantee of the group's future either. Fantastic! No wonder people would rather be employed by the hospital system. The guy on the phone was super shady too, wouldn't even give any details about the job.
At least you can do the employer contribution to 401k! As well as the employer tax heh
Group at Good Samaritan hospital in Long Island also bends people over with a 5 year track. Unnecessarily long, they screw over the new guys with tough cases and they are losing contracts to Northwell. No guaranteed partnership and no guarantee of the group's future either. Fantastic! No wonder people would rather be employed by the hospital system. The guy on the phone was super shady too, wouldn't even give any details about the job.
There’s a group, as recent as 2 years ago, offered low 2’s for full time employment. No calls, granted.... but 2’s. If you’re fellowship trained and BC, maybe mid 2’s.
Location, location, location
Some people would work for less than that to live in a "desirable" place.
Location, location, location
Some people would work for less than that to live in a "desirable" place.
Yes. Like nyc and getting paid minimum wage.... I totally understand. But this was not nyc. This was more for the promise land, of mgma 95%.... in five years if you’re lucky, 7 if you aren’t.