Who's accepting or declining the AEGD ?

[RDAtoDDS]

Hi Everyone,

All of us had to apply for the 1 year AEGD, but we didn't have to accept the spot. Do you guys wanna share if you are accepting or not and maybe why?

I'll start:
I declined my spot. Don't want to add an additional year of repayment.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year,

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[OkieStudentWife]

When were you notified that you got the 1 year AEGD?

 

[RDAtoDDS]

December 21st

 

[terpdental]

Thanks for starting this thread. How were you notified about acceptance? Email (Gmail account/school email account/AKO) or snail mail?

 

[RDAtoDDS]

gmail, the same account that all other contact has been made through

 

[agent2362]

I just received news I was chosen as an alternate (aka the army is scraping the bottom of the barrel) for the 1 year AEGD. The e-mail also stated, " you may receive an email from me in the future asking if you'd like to accept the program as I work through the Order of Merit List (OML). As I get declinations from the primary selectees, I'll work down the OML and offer the program to the next person on the list. I should know how many people I'll be able to activate from the alternate list by 10 January 2012.

As I understand from previous posts, there is no way to know where one stands on the OML (unreleased and often revised over time). Just a waiting game again at this point....

 

[OkieStudentWife]

I just received news I was chosen as an alternate (aka the army is scraping the bottom of the barrel) for the 1 year AEGD. The e-mail also stated, " you may receive an email from me in the future asking if you'd like to accept the program as I work through the Order of Merit List (OML). As I get declinations from the primary selectees, I'll work down the OML and offer the program to the next person on the list. I should know how many people I'll be able to activate from the alternate list by 10 January 2012.

As I understand from previous posts, there is no way to know where one stands on the OML (unreleased and often revised over time). Just a waiting game again at this point....

We are in the same boat, hubby just got the same email today

 

[krmower]

I just received news I was chosen as an alternate (aka the army is scraping the bottom of the barrel) for the 1 year AEGD. The e-mail also stated, " you may receive an email from me in the future asking if you'd like to accept the program as I work through the Order of Merit List (OML). As I get declinations from the primary selectees, I'll work down the OML and offer the program to the next person on the list. I should know how many people I'll be able to activate from the alternate list by 10 January 2012.

As I understand from previous posts, there is no way to know where one stands on the OML (unreleased and often revised over time). Just a waiting game again at this point....

Remember you are applying for a 1 yr AEGD against 135 other graduating HPSP recipients (minus whomever was picked up for specialty training). It is competitive.

 

[coolslugs]

Remember you are applying for a 1 yr AEGD against 135 other graduating HPSP recipients (minus whomever was picked up for specialty training). It is competitive.

How many AEGD-1 spots are there for the Army? I read somewhere that the Air Force has 84 spots across 13 bases.

 

[krmower]

How many AEGD-1 spots are there for the Army? I read somewhere that the Air Force has 84 spots across 13 bases.

There are 6 locations for the 12 month AEGD - Ft. Sill, Campbell, Benning, Jackson, Carson, and Lewis. I believe each location has around 8 spots (may be one or two that only have 6) so total is around 48.

 

[coolslugs]

There are 6 locations for the 12 month AEGD - Ft. Sill, Campbell, Benning, Jackson, Carson, and Lewis. I believe each location has around 8 spots (may be one or two that only have 6) so total is around 48.

Does that mean the Air Force has a larger Dental Corp? I am confused.

 

[dr37]

How is it for Non military person to apply for military AEGD?

I am graduate from class of 2012 and thinking going military way. Do i have to be active duty officer first to be apply for residency?

Can you apply for residency while being in reserves?

Thank you.

 

[agent2362]

Does that mean the Air Force has a larger Dental Corp? I am confused.

I have no idea, but guessing on pure branch size I would guess that Army > Navy > Air Force dental core. Additionally, Army tends to hand out more HPSP scholarships than air force and navy combined.

However, I have several Navy HPSP fellow students who said that they were re-offered AEGD spots in the Navy, since the there were several locations with openings that couldn't be filled (aka San Diego and Great Lakes Naval Station).

 

[krmower]

Does that mean the Air Force has a larger Dental Corp? I am confused.

All the services are roughly the same size. I think Navy may be slightly larger. The number of 12 month AEGD has nothing to do with size of the service. Perhaps AFDDS could validate how many 12 month AEGDs Air Force has.

 

[krmower]

How is it for Non military person to apply for military AEGD?

I am graduate from class of 2012 and thinking going military way. Do i have to be active duty officer first to be apply for residency?

Can you apply for residency while being in reserves?

Thank you.

In the Army the time to apply for residencies is by November of each year. The most recent individuals selected for post-graduate training were selected and just recently announced.

Someone who is not in the military can apply for certain specialties in the fall, and if they are selected they must join the Army. There is no opportunity for civilians to attend a military residency without joining the Army.

The residency programs are not for the Reserves...only active duty

 

[NAVY DDS 2010]

All the services are roughly the same size. I think Navy may be slightly larger. The number of 12 month AEGD has nothing to do with size of the service. Perhaps AFDDS could validate how many 12 month AEGDs Air Force has.

Kmower, this year there were 19 selected for 4 GPR programs and 33 selected for the 6 AEGD programs based on the notice release.

 

[coolslugs]

All the services are roughly the same size. I think Navy may be slightly larger. The number of 12 month AEGD has nothing to do with size of the service. Perhaps AFDDS could validate how many 12 month AEGDs Air Force has.

I have a question for all 3 branches then. Isn't the Army with the most amount of people and is the largest service branch? Then why are the dental corps for all 3 branches similar in size? Why are there more AEGD/GPR spots for the Air Force/Navy than the Army? I don't see the logic.

 

[NAVY DDS 2010]

I have a question for all 3 branches then. Isn't the Army with the most amount of people and is the largest service branch? Then why are the dental corps for all 3 branches similar in size? Why are there more AEGD/GPR spots for the Air Force/Navy than the Army? I don't see the logic.

Actually, the aren't more slots for the Navy than the Army based on Kmower's info and the info I just researched. This year was low in numbers. There were only 33 selected for AEGD, but if you look at the 4 years, there were between 40 and 44 slots per year for the AEGD in the Navy.

Army has roughly 560,000 people
Marine Corps has roughly 200,000 people
Navy has roughly 325,000 people
AF has roughly 330,000 people

If you look at the numbers alone, you would think AF and Navy would need roughly 2/3 the number of dentists, thus 2/3 the number of AEGD slots the Army has. But you have to take one thing into consideration, the Navy takes care of the Marine Corps as well. Therefore, Army dentists only treat about 30,000 more patients. Therefore, the reason why there are only a few less slots per year than the Army.

 

[coolslugs]

Actually, the aren't more slots for the Navy than the Army based on Kmower's info and the info I just researched. This year was low in numbers. There were only 33 selected for AEGD, but if you look at the 4 years, there were between 40 and 44 slots per year for the AEGD in the Navy.

Army has roughly 560,000 people
Marine Corps has roughly 200,000 people
Navy has roughly 325,000 people
AF has roughly 330,000 people

If you look at the numbers alone, you would think AF and Navy would need roughly 2/3 the number of dentists, thus 2/3 the number of AEGD slots the Army has. But you have to take one thing into consideration, the Navy takes care of the Marine Corps as well. Therefore, Army dentists only treat about 30,000 more patients. Therefore, the reason why there are only a few less slots per year than the Army.

Ok thanks! So it looks like normally there would be:

~ 52-63 AEGD-1/GPR spots available in the Navy each year
~ 48 AEGD-1 spots available in the Army
~ 84?? AEGD-1 spots available in the Air Force

I would like to get some confirmation from the Air Force side as well!

 

[krmower]

I have a question for all 3 branches then. Isn't the Army with the most amount of people and is the largest service branch? Then why are the dental corps for all 3 branches similar in size? Why are there more AEGD/GPR spots for the Air Force/Navy than the Army? I don't see the logic.

Each service designates how many dental officers. There is not a Dept of Defense wide formula for dictating total numbers - each service determines what they need. My comment was in reference to the number of dental officers in the Navy, not the size of the Navy. I seem to recall the Navy having the most dentists...this could have something to do with dentists being stationed on ships, Navy bases, and Marine bases - but it's just a guess. Perhaps someone in the Navy can confirm.

Regardless of total numbers by service - the number of AEGD spots a service offers is determined by the service. Their rationale for how many residents they train is based upon whatever need they determine to have, not on how many service members they have.

 

[dr37]

In the Army the time to apply for residencies is by November of each year. The most recent individuals selected for post-graduate training were selected and just recently announced.

Someone who is not in the military can apply for certain specialties in the fall, and if they are selected they must join the Army. There is no opportunity for civilians to attend a military residency without joining the Army.

The residency programs are not for the Reserves...only active duty

Thank you for your response.
I am in the process of joining Army as active duty officer, almost completed the required documentation. My recruiter unfortunately has no idea how the residency process works.

He did tell me that OBC will be somewhere in June at Texas and then I will be assigned to first duty station. So that means I get commissioned around July/Aug and apply in November for the class starting 2014..and If I understand it right, by doing a residency through Army, my commitment for active duty increases by the same number of years, right?

Once again thank you for your time.
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[krmower]

Thank you for your response.
I am in the process of joining Army as active duty officer, almost completed the required documentation. My recruiter unfortunately has no idea how the residency process works.

He did tell me that OBC will be somewhere in June at Texas and then I will be assigned to first duty station. So that means I get commissioned around July/Aug and apply in November for the class starting 2014..and If I understand it right, by doing a residency through Army, my commitment for active duty increases by the same number of years, right?

Once again thank you for your time.
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dr37cg

There are OBLC classes that run throughout the year, so if you want to come in sooner than June that can be accomodated.

Application time for all specialties will be by November of each year.

Any postgraduate training that you do will incur futher obligation with the Army, but it will also increase your earning potential both in the military and in private practice so it is worth the extra obligation.

 

[OkieStudentWife]

We have accepted the AEGD, we were selected off the alternate list.

 

[ALTOSS]

I thought about this for a second, and realized that of 48 spots, almost a half of the initial AEGD-1 selectees would decline their spots, because they were also likely selected for other specialty programs! That's more than 20 people who would be picked up from the OML. So in the end, there would be about 70 spots for either specialization or AEGD in the Army for new graduates each year (for about 150 people), not counting the ones who would want to do just 4 years and get out (where there are MANY). That's not bad at all!

 

[RDAtoDDS]

Congrats on being selected for and accepting the AEGD! My friend is going through it now, and loves it.

 

[AFDDS]

All the services are roughly the same size. I think Navy may be slightly larger. The number of 12 month AEGD has nothing to do with size of the service. Perhaps AFDDS could validate how many 12 month AEGDs Air Force has.

This year the AF has 80+ AEGD positions. Next year it will drop back down to 65.

The reason is simple. Our recruting numbers soared a few years ago and we only had 65 AEGD training slots, but we had over 100 new dentsits coming in. So we ended up with several people that wanted an AEGD, but couldn't get it. Our number increased to meet demand to 85. We found that a certain number would turn it down and a certain number would be selected for traditional specialties and 85 worked for us. Our recruting numbers have gone down based on need, so now our AEGD slots are going down as well.

I'll take this opportunity to throw in my 2 cents. Don't turn down an AEGD. 1 year out of your life for the kind of training you get is nothing. I know some will say they want to get out and start making the big $$ 1 year earlier. But think about it. Does 1 year really affect a 30 year career that much? It does if that year is filled with advanced training, but not if it doesn't. The good thing about an AEGD or GPR is that you get a supervised year to practice the stuff your colleagues learn in a weekend and have to practice on their own.

I'll admit I'm biased having taught in AEGD's for quite a while now, but if I could turn back time there is no doubt I would have been all over an AEGD program. Talk to your mentors at your school. I think the majority of them would encourage you to take the AEGD since you get full pay and it only adds a year of service.

 

[coolslugs]

So am I correct to say that it seems all 3 branches have similar numbers of dentists despite differences in branch size? And also that the Air Force & Navy have more AEGD/GPR spots than the Army?

 

[LDSNifoDoc]

One year AEGD acceptance notification was sent to my AKO email. I'm glad I checked it because it said to reply by the 10th of january. For those who haven't check their AKO you should check.
I accepted the One year AEGD. They said they would let me know in a couple of months more about it.

 

[OkieStudentWife]

Congrats on being selected for and accepting the AEGD! My friend is going through it now, and loves it.

Thank you! We are really excited about it.

 

[OkieStudentWife]

One year AEGD acceptance notification was sent to my AKO email. I'm glad I checked it because it said to reply by the 10th of january. For those who haven't check their AKO you should check.
I accepted the One year AEGD. They said they would let me know in a couple of months more about it.

It can go to either, we checked my husbands AKO account and got nothing. It came to our shared account

 

[agent2362]

So if one were to not get selected for an AEGD, would they likely have a harder time making a career in the military or getting into a specialty in the future?? Or in other words...Do dentists who do not complete the AEGD stick around much at all beyond their commitment??

Logic behind question: Doing an AEGD boosts is great for the CV for future application to specialties in the military. Someone without an AEGD is at a large disadvantage competing against others with AEGD on their CV, thus leading to a difficult or short career in the military. Nothing against the army, but I'm hearing back from classmates in the other branches that the air force puts around 80% of its HPSP members into AEGD's and the navy could not find enough people this year to fill all their spots. Is the army trying to have a high turnover rate or what??

 

[krmower]

So if one were to not get selected for an AEGD, would they likely have a harder time making a career in the military or getting into a specialty in the future?? Or in other words...Do dentists who do not complete the AEGD stick around much at all beyond their commitment??

Logic behind question: Doing an AEGD boosts is great for the CV for future application to specialties in the military. Someone without an AEGD is at a large disadvantage competing against others with AEGD on their CV, thus leading to a difficult or short career in the military. Nothing against the army, but I'm hearing back from classmates in the other branches that the air force puts around 80% of its HPSP members into AEGD's and the navy could not find enough people this year to fill all their spots. Is the army trying to have a high turnover rate or what??

Army is not trying to have a high turn-over rate. Doing a 1 yr AEGD has nothing to do with forcasting retention rates in the Army or trying to drive a certain number out. If the Army put most of their new graduating dentists in either specialty training or 1 yr AEGD's - who's going to fill the losses for the general dentists leaving that same summer? If they budgeted money and personnel and created 90 - 1 yr AEGD slots each summer so that 80% of the incoming dentists were trained...what happes when only 45 want to do the program (because the remaining number either want to specialize or 'get in and get out')? You can't accurately predict how many people will want to do the program from year to year, and you can't allocate money, locations, and personnel on the chance that you may or may not have a high demand that summer. The programs have certain standards that must be met to maintain ADA accredidation, so you wan to have strong and proven programs that don't have to change from year to year.

The Army's philosophy is to offer a set amount in locations that are conducive to a strong training environment and fill all the slots so that manpower and resources are not wasted.

Does an 1 yr AEGD give someone an advantage when applying for specialty training...Yes it does. Can someone who didn't do one still specialize in any specialty...Yes they can. Although a 1 yr AEGD creates a strong CV/resume...once you are on active duty your actions begin speaking louder than your resume. Your annual evaluations, performance, and the 'over-all package' will factor in significantly.

 

[Destiny11]

Nothing against the army, but I'm hearing back from classmates in the other branches that the air force puts around 80% of its HPSP members into AEGD's and the navy could not find enough people this year to fill all their spots. Is the army trying to have a high turnover rate or what??

Perhaps more Air Force HPSPers are staying in the military, so that they can afford to offer than AEGD spots than the Army.

 

[umkcdds]

i believe the goal of the Army is to piss off all of their dentists/specialists so that they leave as soon as possible, resulting in a high turnover rate.

if you don't do an AEGD, expect your skills in amalgam restorations to increase over your four-year ADSO, but expect your skills in all the other areas of dentistry to decline, instead of improve over time - setting you waaaaay behind when you try to transition into a private practice. that will definitely affect your earning potential.

in short, if you don't specialize, not doing a 1-year AEGD would be a bad idea, IMHO.

 

[agent2362]

i believe the goal of the Army is to piss off all of their dentists/specialists so that they leave as soon as possible, resulting in a high turnover rate.

if you don't do an AEGD, expect your skills in amalgam restorations to increase over your four-year ADSO, but expect your skills in all the other areas of dentistry to decline, instead of improve over time - setting you waaaaay behind when you try to transition into a private practice. that will definitely affect your earning potential.

in short, if you don't specialize, not doing a 1-year AEGD would be a bad idea, IMHO.

Ouch....So I should probably shoot for specializing since my skills as a GP may not exactly improve. Unfortunately it will probably be harder to specialize in the military without the AEGD (e.g. since the guys with higher stats likely received the AEGD and now the AEGD further enhances his application, so they will likely get a specialty spot if they are competing for the same specialty position). Serving the ASDO, working hard and doing well and then applying civilian may be the quickest option to get into a specialty.

No offense to the people who pick specialty spots, but I recently talked to a former Army dentist who had done 7-8 years in the army, consisting of AEGD + multiple deployments with a special forces group and a solid overall application. He did not get into his desired specialty in the army (mentioned someone high ranking called in a favor and someone else got his spot)...the next year he was accepted to Harvard for the same specialty. A bit odd if you ask me....maybe a little nepotism going on there.

Regardless, I still am thankful to have gotten the HPSP (and be saved from an excruciatingly steep debt) and be able to serve my country at the same time! Im sure I will still enjoy my time regardless of what happens

 

[Destiny11]

i believe the goal of the Army is to piss off all of their dentists/specialists so that they leave as soon as possible, resulting in a high turnover rate.

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[coolslugs]

How competitive is it to be accepted into an AEGD-1 or AEGD-2 in the Army for someone on HPSP?

Are you out of luck if you are not in the top half of your graduating class? What do they look at in an application package?

 

[krmower]

How competitive is it to be accepted into an AEGD-1 or AEGD-2 in the Army for someone on HPSP?

Are you out of luck if you are not in the top half of your graduating class? What do they look at in an application package?

48 spots for the 1 yr AEGD and 20 spots for the 2 yr AEGD. Each year the liklihood is based upon the number of applicants. There are approximately 130 individuals graduating each year for the next few years.

If you wanted to do either one or the other, then apply for both and your liklihood of getting one of them is pretty high.

They look at the whole package. GPA, scores, LORs, extracurricular activities.

 

[coolslugs]

So who was accepted into the AEGD-1? Where are you going? What were your GPA/test scores/activities?