Who will you vote for and why? [Allopathic version]

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2. The fact that McCain is not a silver-tongued popular guy.
I simply do not understand why so many Republicans make this comment. Obama wasn't always rich and has one house, meanwhile McCain is a multi-millionaire and has like 10 houses and cars! Don't make McCain out to be some sort of farm boy who's in touch with the working class.

Reminds me of this hilarious Onion video.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgVUxmjf0G8[/YOUTUBE]

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it's pretty funny that the next president of the USA will likely be named Barack Hussein Obama.

if you walked around New York city in the autumn of 2001 and asked people: "True or false, after George W. Bush, the next president of the United States will be named Barack Hussein Obama?" you'd get some funny answers.

the only thing more ridiculous would be if the next president of Iran were Ronald Bush Clinton. :laugh:

***** note: i'm NOT being political or making any type of insinuation about anything, just making a funny about the name. it's cool that the American people can look past these trivial details, etc *****


Well said..

[There are a lot of pre meds in this think tank..]:sleep:
 
Is this a silver tongue study or a voting record study?

INDEPENDENT study. Are you assuming people are so dumb that they are going to care what the Obama study says? That is worthless. You always need a third party to do this. Then again, you may not be satisfied anyway because you may be taking your party just like you take your religion - on faith. Can't argue with you here.

I see this all the time when discussing politics. Why belittle someone's intelligence just because he/she does not share your same views? Especially on a website like this, which attracts many professionals and professional students with varied backgrounds.

It's just that some comments are so illogical. I have no problem at all (in terms of intelligence) when the top 1% rich of our country support McCain, like Donald Trump, but I absolutely hate it when the little cockroaches are trying to protect the wealth they don't have while at the same time losing money. I don't understand which part of getting more tax cuts under Obama as a poor person does the medical student not understand? Or which part of the idea that if the country is doing well, then so will the people working in that country will do so is not clear? If you are a hardcore anti-abortionist, or believe that the government has absolutely no role on business, those are somewhat valid arguments, even though I could still say that you are no one to tell a woman whether she can abort part of her body or not, etc. Even Joe the plumber admitted that Obama's tax plan will benefit him. Can't the med students get their mind around it? That's incredible, given the science background.

Finally, the country is in slump. We are borrowing from China to pay the terrorists for oil while the oil companies make huge profits. What part of taxation don't you understand? Are you so bad at math to realize that the only way to make up for the deficit is to increase the taxes? That if the country is weak, people will be afraid to invest their business here? That McCain is trying to "balance the budget" by cutting things like earmarks, which only make up 3% of the entire US budget and that he is trying to go to energy independence by drilling offshore for more oil, which only make up 1% of our energy needs? Or that he has voted against clean energy bills 12 or so times? I am sorry, but anyone who doesn't get this, is a just differently abled. The reason I am not so polite is because our contry is in garbage now because of these same people who voted for Bush twice. This is the guy you voted for:
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A[/YOUTUBE]

and it is your responsibilty now that me, you, our children, and their children are going to pay dearly for this. When Bush got elected the second time, one of the headlines in Europe was "How can 50 mln Americans be so dumnb?" If students going through med school don't have a higher level of reasoning, we certainly can't expect much from Joe the plumbers.
 
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I simply do not understand why so many Republicans make this comment. Obama wasn't always rich and has one house, meanwhile McCain is a multi-millionaire and has like 10 houses and cars! Don't make McCain out to be some sort of farm boy who's in touch with the lower class.

Reminds me of this hilarious Onion video.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgVUxmjf0G8[/YOUTUBE]

True, ironically seems like even those NOT in the top 10 % of wealth have a hard time buying that!! And some would even prefer to cut there own throat supporting McCain.. Just my opinion..

And to the pessimistic or depressed out here... Its not a sin being optimistic..:sleep:
 
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You know who else promised us the moon, literally? Kennedy. And guess what, his charisma motivated the entire country and we landed there. Obama is inspiring an entire generation to go out and make this country what it used to be. He has said many times that it is not he who is going to make the change, it is you.
 
I think some of the med students have illusions or "delusions of granduer" (spelling) of somehow being in the top 1% to 10% of wealth in this country..:sleep:
 
1. I like the fact that McCain seems to have the idea that americans need to take a more personal sense of responsibility in their health care. You can't go out and buy an Iphone along with a pack of cigarettes a day and then complain about how much your BP meds cost you.

2. Sarah Palin is in no way shape or form ready to lead the country, which must be considered with McCain's old age.

3. Under Obama's healthcare plan, I am wondering what you all think about what will happen to us with an extra 46 million people to see in the primary setting when the attendance of medical schools has barely raised over the past 25 years, leaving us with a shortage of docs already. Also, primary care is woefully underpaid, medical school tuition is huge, and so alot of us are looking to specialize.

Finally- I am voting for Obama based on number 2, and number 2 alone. Shame on McCain for picking that idiot Palin.
 
1. I like the fact that McCain seems to have the idea that americans need to take a more personal sense of responsibility in their health care. You can't go out and buy an Iphone along with a pack of cigarettes a day and then complain about how much your BP meds cost you.

2. Sarah Palin is in no way shape or form ready to lead the country, which must be considered with McCain's old age.

3. Under Obama's healthcare plan, I am wondering what you all think about what will happen to us with an extra 46 million people to see in the primary setting when the attendance of medical schools has barely raised over the past 25 years, leaving us with a shortage of docs already. Also, primary care is woefully underpaid, medical school tuition is huge, and so alot of us are looking to specialize.

Finally- I am voting for Obama based on number 2, and number 2 alone. Shame on McCain for picking that idiot Palin.

As far as #2.. Thats one of the big things--She just doesnt fit in even with a benefit of the doubt!!! [eg. Wow, By golly,] I know those Eastern countries wont and we probably wont go for that!!
He should have picked Mitt Romney or someone,, (I heard Mitt Romney was too big and made McCain look small-seriously) :smuggrin:
 
But if you are not in the top 10 % of wealth in this country, why would someone vote for McCain?? McCain supporters explain that to me..

People are so stupid when it comes to economics. My Dad is in the top 10% of earners in this country and he owns a small business. He has a couple of employees that he could easily let go if he wanted to. If his taxes get raised, he won't make as much money and he will just let a couple of employees go. I asked him why he just doesn't let them go now, and he says he doesn't need to. But if Obama Bin Biden raises taxes then he will let a couple of people go.

Raising taxes discourages economic growth and will cost people jobs and will hurt the economy. It is stupid policy.
 
I am going to vote for Obama because I favor wealth redistribution. I really think the way to get out of our current economic crisis is to tax businesses. This should create more jobs and stimulate economic growth. Socialism is definitely better than capitalism. I mean, if my kid is lazy and doesn't want to go trick or treating this year, why should he not get any candy? Those that went trick or treating should have to give him some of their candy. The same with wealth. If I don't work hard and am lazy, those that have succeeded in life owe me some money!

I will also vote for Obama because I trust him. I mean, some people don't trust him because of his radical associations with Ayers, Wright, Rezco, and others, but who doesn't have friends that have tried to blow up the Pentagon? Just because Obama started his political career at a get together in the house of an un-repented terrorist doesn't make him a bad guy.

I also believe him when he says that in the previous 20 years or whatever that he belonged to Wright's Church, he never heard any of the hatred Wright was spewing forth. Who wouldn't get married in a Church that says white people use aids to bring down black people and that we live in the US of KKK?

In Sum, Obama has my vote because I trust everything he says and I think he has great judgement. Go Obama! Go Socialism!

I find it funny that no Obama supporters have tried to defend their man here. Typical liberals. They just run away and hide when someone brings up legitimate points. Obama does the same thing. I don't trust him. Yeah he is smart and convincing and a great speaker, but so was Hitler.
 
I find it funny that no Obama supporters have tried to defend their man here. Typical liberals. They just run away and hide when someone brings up legitimate points. Obama does the same thing. I don't trust him. Yeah he is smart and convincing and a great speaker, but so was Hitler.
Yes! Godwin's Law! This thread is now over...kyman won.

Have you read the rest of this tread? If you had, you'd notice many of your economic points were already addressed. And as far as Obama's "clear" terrorist connections, I bet you voted for Bush despite his far more convincing past associations.
 
I find it funny that no Obama supporters have tried to defend their man here. Typical liberals. They just run away and hide when someone brings up legitimate points. Obama does the same thing. I don't trust him. Yeah he is smart and convincing and a great speaker, but so was Hitler.


Nice comparison. Kentucky is as redneck as it gets. Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=226x5701.

By the way, that person on CNN interview who said on a national TV that he doesn't see himself voting for a black man was from Kentucky. I have seen no one else from another state make such comments on national TV. Just shows the ignorance. You're doing a nice job for your state, my friend. KKKK all the way!
 
Nice comparison. Kentucky is as redneck as it gets. Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=226x5701.

By the way, that person on CNN interview who said on a national TV that he doesn't see himself voting for a black man was from Kentucky. I have seen no one else from another state make such comments on national TV. Just shows the ignorance. You're doing a nice job for your state, my friend. KKKK all the way!

Got nothing against his race. I would vote for McCain 100% if he was black, white, asian, etc... I would not vote for Obama no matter what race he was. I notice you didn't even try to defend Obama. Nice one.
 
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Yes! Godwin's Law! This thread is now over...kyman won.

Have you read the rest of this tread? If you had, you'd notice many of your economic points were already addressed. And as far as Obama's "clear" terrorist connections, I bet you voted for Bush despite his far more convincing past associations.

You bet wrong my friend. I did not vote for Bush. Good try. But, if Bush did have bad past associations, that would, in my mind, demonstrate poor judgement. And Bush has proved his poor judgement over the past 8 years. I think Obama has equally poor judgement and will be a disaster for our country.

I just don't trust Obama at all. I think he's an arrogant, lying, untrustworthy man.
 
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I just don't trust Obama at all. I think he's an arrogant, lying, untrustworthy man.
Fair enough, then there's nothing we can say that can convince you otherwise. Just like there's nothing you can say that can convince me that Palin is anything but an unqualified, intolerant evangelist. And what happened to the moderate republican McCain that I actually would have considered voting for? He wanted the conservative vote more than he wanted to espouse consistent values and turned into what he is today.
 
Fair enough, then there's nothing we can say that can convince you otherwise. Just like there's nothing you can say that can convince me that Palin is anything but an unqualified, intolerant evangelist. And what happened to the moderate republican McCain that I actually would have considered voting for? He wanted the conservative vote more than he wanted to espouse consistent values and turned into what he is today.

I am no Palin fan either. I think McCain should have chosen Romney. I bet he wishes he had, noting the present economic crisis.

I am just picking the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. I dislike Obama more than Palin. If Palin was running for President (instead of VP), I would probably not vote or move to Canada.
 
People are so stupid when it comes to economics. My Dad is in the top 10% of earners in this country and he owns a small business. He has a couple of employees that he could easily let go if he wanted to. If his taxes get raised, he won't make as much money and he will just let a couple of employees go. I asked him why he just doesn't let them go now, and he says he doesn't need to. But if Obama Bin Biden raises taxes then he will let a couple of people go.

Raising taxes discourages economic growth and will cost people jobs and will hurt the economy. It is stupid policy.

Yes many are stupid when it comes to economics, including me (I try to use common sense with this)... But you must admit there is NO simple answer to the economic crises..And some will say that the bailouts were morally wrong and that they may as well lead a life of crime.. (I heard one person say this)
 
Yes many are stupid when it comes to economics, including me (I try to use common sense with this)... But you must admit there is NO simple answer to the economic crises..And some will say that the bailouts were morally wrong and that they may as well lead a life of crime.. (I heard one person say this)

I know there is no simple answer. But I don't think raising taxes on businesses will help the matter. It doesn't just hurt the CEO's. It hurts everybody. Just look at the stock market. Many people I know have to postpone their retirements because their 401k's have gone to pot. I don't think raising taxes will get us out of this mess. It will further inhibit economic growth.
 
Nice comparison. Kentucky is as redneck as it gets. Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=226x5701.

By the way, that person on CNN interview who said on a national TV that he doesn't see himself voting for a black man was from Kentucky. I have seen no one else from another state make such comments on national TV. Just shows the ignorance. You're doing a nice job for your state, my friend. KKKK all the way!

dude total logical fallacy; rather than arguing against the man's ideas, you are framing an argument against his geography. wtf does the state of Kentucky have to do with anything?
 
I think some of the med students have illusions or "delusions of granduer" (spelling) of somehow being in the top 1% to 10% of wealth in this country..:sleep:

Hate to break it to you but all medical students will one day easily earn enough to put them in the top 10%. Most will probably be in the top 1.5% making over 250k. Keep in mind this is household income not a single earner. Obama wants to take your income and share it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_States

(yes its Wikipedia but the relevant links to the 2005 US census data are at the bottom)
 
I am no Palin fan either. I think McCain should have chosen Romney. I bet he wishes he had, noting the present economic crisis.

I am just picking the lesser of two evils, in my opinion. I dislike Obama more than Palin. If Palin was running for President (instead of VP), I would probably not vote or move to Canada.

If McCain chose Mitt Romney as his VP candidate, he would have won my votes hands down.
 
Hate to break it to you but all medical students will one day easily earn enough to put them in the top 10%. Most will probably be in the top 1.5% making over 250k. Keep in mind this is household income not a single earner. Obama wants to take your income and share it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_in_the_United_States

(yes its Wikipedia but the relevant links to the 2005 US census data are at the bottom)

Yes, thank you... I must confess I wasnt exactly sure about the numbers..

So my question should be .. If one is NOT in the top say 2% or 3% of wealth in this country..Why would someone vote for McCain?? {McCain supporters please chime in}

Also it was funny when McCain was on C.B.S.- "60 minutes" on Main St. in Bagdad, Iraq.. He had bullet proof vest, numerous pieces of HiTech gear, numerous platoons of armed soldiers around him, Black Hawk helicopters hoovering and F 16s marauding by.. He said something to the effect of " This is one of the safest places to walk on earth"
 
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dude total logical fallacy; rather than arguing against the man's ideas, you are framing an argument against his geography. wtf does the state of Kentucky have to do with anything?

It's just that the state is extremely conservative, biased, and xenophobic. This doesn't mean everyone is like this, but many are. I think reporters sometimes go to that state to collect some extreme opinions.
 
You don't know what you're talking about. You do realize that the first $250k of your income is taxed the same as it is now? You do realize that all the income over that is taxed 3% higher? But if you want to restrict yourself based on hearsay and utter nonsense go right ahead, I'll be sure to take all the patients you don't want to see.

Yeah let's let the GOP fix it! Because they did such a great job under Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2! Oh wait they're the entire reason our healthcare system is so ****ed up in the first place.

Because that's what everyone's talking about. We're all talking about "free" healthcare.

Because the solution to lowering our birth rate and bettering other embarassing statistics is to do the opposite of what all other first world nations do? You're an idiot.

Intrigues you because it puts all of the burden on individuals rather than employers? Intrigues you because the $2500 individual tax credit only works if you have no risk at all? Intrigues you because it would further force the poor, disabled and elderly to rely on government programs to provide their healthcare? Sounds great!

Wow, nice way to start a post. I'm hoping this is a troll because I didn't think anyone was honestly this ******ed on this forum. If you think putting the tax rates back to where they were under Reagan and Clinton is "communistic," you need to head to the library to find out what communism actually is.

This is all baseless conjecture based on George W. Bush's patented "gut-think." Perhaps you should do actual research rather than simply hearing "OBAMA == COMMUNIST" on Fox News/Hannity/Limbaugh or whatever other ******ed propagandists by whom you are clearly indoctrinated and come to your own conclusions.

Slippery slope fallacy ahoy!

You're right, I build bridges and fund the military by medical school GPAs! The situations are analogous!

Sounds about right. But in this election I would rather die than let an idiot like Sarah Palin run the executive. James Madison is spinning in his grave as we speak.

It's nice to see medical students play doctor 10 years in advance with no idea about what their actual situation will be then. You do realize that just because someone votes for a guy who may raise income taxes above $250k a meagre 3% doesn't mean I'm voting against my own self-interest?

McCain is a spoiled brat who has sleazed his way this close to the White House. Palin exemplifies everything that is wrong with McCain that it hurts my head. And anyone that reconciles voting for McCain despite Sarah Palin solely because they'd rather have that extra 3% of their income after $250k is a ****ing ***** who would rip off his own nose to spite his face.

Screw us just like it screwed Europe right?

Yes, he is the brainwashed one. But I bet I can figure out which programs and propagandists you listen to! But he's the brainwashed one.

Because that's what we're saying. We're saying we want everyone to make the same amount of money and live in rainbow-land. You are constructing a giant straw-man.

Again, because that is what is happening in Europe right?

Right here is where it became clear that you're either a troll or a toothless *****.

And right here is where it became clear that you're just a racist *******.

Let me summarize the mindset of McCain supporters: "**** you, I got mine." Nice.

You're all just puppets for the mega-rich.


Ok, I hope you enjoy that extra 3% of your income above $250k that you get to keep. Meanwhile let's all hope to god McCain doesn't keel over in 4 years (which is pretty likely) and allow Palin to become president. And also let's hope that McCain gives a **** about students enough to help us with student loans.

I'm sure McCain's really looking out for your interests.

PS Stop watching Fox News.

keep trying, i think it is still possible for you to sound like an even more condascending jackash.

Obama...why? Because democrats are sooo awesome.

I'm voting Democrat because English has no place being the official language in America .

I'm voting Democrat because it's better to turn corn into fuel than it is to eat.

I'm voting Democrat because I'd rather pay $4 for a gallon of gas than allow drilling for oil off the coasts of America or in Alaska.

I'm voting Democrat because I think the government will do a better job of spending my money than I could.

I'm voting Democrat because when we pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq, I know the Islamic terrorists will stop trying to kill us because they'll think we're a good and decent country.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe people who can't tell us if it will rain in two or three days, can now tell us the polar ice caps will disappear in ten years if I don't start riding a bicycle, build a windmill or inflate my tires to proper levels.

I'm voting Democrat because it's alright to kill millions of babies as long as we keep violent, convicted murderers on death row alive.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe businesses in America should not be allowed to make profits. Businesses should just break even and give the rest to the government so politicians and bureaucrats can redistribute the money the way they think it should be redistributed.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe guns, and not the people misusing them, are the cause of crimes and killings.

I'm voting Democrat because when someone with a weapon threatens my family or me, I know the government can respond faster through a call to 911 than I can with a gun in my hand.

I'm voting Democrat because oil companies' 5% profit on a gallon of gas are obscene, but government taxes of 18% on the same gallon of gas are just fine.

I'm voting Democrat because I believe three or four elitist liberals should rewrite the Constitution every few months to suit some fringe element that could never get their agenda past voters.

I'm voting Democrat because illegal aliens are not criminals, are not sucking up resources through government aid, hospital services, education, or social services, but are just people trying to make a better life by coming to America illegally. We can't blame them for that, can we?

I'm voting Democrat because now I can now marry whatever I want, so I've decided to marry my horse.

Obvious isn't it?

Winner of best post on this dumbash thread.



Many of your republican arguments are flawed. Forget that it is, after all, immoral to say that your financial situation trumps everything else and that spreading around wealth is a major problem.

First of all, I doubt that any of you have ever made anything close to 200K, yet you already are running around trying to protect your imaginary salary. First make sure you will make the money you claim (some of your comments make me doubt that you have what it takes to get the competitive specialties) and then attack taxation on the extremely rich. If you had your eyes open, you'd realize that you have several years of medschool plus several years of residency, during which time you are going to be nothing short of a fast food worker making less than the janitors. For some of you in certain residencies, you have a good eight years or more before you even start making any real money. Yet here you are, in a self righteous way, trying to claim that Obama is bad for you? Where is your foresight, my "friends"? Forget morality, I am talking business here. A study showed that Obama will give you I think twice the tax break as McCain will. Get off the damn bandwagon and think.

Second, have you ever thought that if the country does well overall, you will do well as well? These same "bastards" that are trying to spread your imaginary wealth around are the same (excuse my expression) "people" who will be paying you for your services. How do you expect to do well when the country is in turmoil? Or maybe you are trying to be a leech and suck the country dry so that once it falls you can take your patriotic, conservative values, along with your arse, to your abominated socialistic Europe. A couple of years ago I was reading a very interesting research letter in Nature. It studies a certain aerobic bacterial colony on the surface of a liquid where bacteria had to alternatively go up to the surface to get their share of oxygen. Well, there were these other types of bacteria that did not conform to the norm and wanted to be on the top all the time. While it positively affected their individualistic growth, the study showed that the colony that had the most of these types of bacteria collapse to the bottom of the flask much sooner than the colony with no such "parasitic" bacteria. It made a vivid impression on me because of the remarkable similarity between some brainless bacteria and intelligent people. This is exactly what some of you are proposing when you claim you and your income is the center of the universe. These past eight years showed that the trickling down of the money from the rich doesn't work. This Reaganomics has never worked. All my history teachers made the same claim. The fact is that the amount of money you have does not matter when the country is going down and the value of the dollar is dropping like a rock. Sometimes it helps to look at the big picture.

Third, Joe the plumber is your average dumb Joe. He is not a plumber nor is he ever going to buy a small business. He is dreaming about the theoretical money he will have, much like some of you here dream about your coveted "salarinous" specialty as if it has already happened. He finally admitted that actually Obama's plan would help him more than McCain's, yet McCain is still getting mileage on you guys using his name. Our friend Joe is now a Huckabee believer, a pastor turned politician, turned into a talk show host. Great!

I don't want to go through the entire list, as there is many, but I will say that you are wrong about healthcare too. McCain's plan is going to add 20mln uninsured. These people are going to visit you, Joe the doctor, and not be able to pay you. Whose salary is going to go down as a result? Obama's plan is not socialistic; however, not everything about socialism is wrong. If all you're worried about is your daddy's pocket (which I can understand if you live there) or your future income, then think about this: Obama is going to tax the top few percent of the population, including things like oil companies, to help pay for the healthcare. These people with healthcare will visit you and pay you for your services. It turns out that the rich are taxed to pay the doctors. There is nothing in the Obama plan that says anything about putting caps on physician salaries. The big losers here are going to be the insurance companies.

I'd expect a higher level of intelligent life forms among med students, but I guess you're just students, unlike the European socialistic education that produces much more well-rounded students than we have here. Our science education is creating a national security risk for our country. Now I see that it is also creating national health risk for the healthcare industry. At least it's good to see that the majority here are for Obama.

If you don't like Obama for racial, imaginary taxation, or whatever other reasons, please, don't vote for him. But don't vote for McCain either. There are many other good presidential candidates you can select or write in their name. I suggest you write in your own name because you apparently know best what is good for our country!

Winner of most idiotic post on this dumbash thread.

it's pretty funny that the next president of the USA will likely be named Barack Hussein Obama.

if you walked around New York city in the autumn of 2001 and asked people: "True or false, after George W. Bush, the next president of the United States will be named Barack Hussein Obama?" you'd get some funny answers.

the only thing more ridiculous would be if the next president of Iran were Ronald Bush Clinton. :laugh:

ain't it the truth, ain't it the truth.
 
INDEPENDENT study. Are you assuming people are so dumb that they are going to care what the Obama study says? That is worthless. You always need a third party to do this. Then again, you may not be satisfied anyway because you may be taking your party just like you take your religion - on faith. Can't argue with you here.

Sorry, maybe i wasn't clear. I meant was the study based off of Obama's/McCain's proposals or based off of their voting history. These are actually quite different for both candidates.

I trust history more than I trust a silver tongue
 
this thread is trully ******ed...I love it. It's a great break from biochem!

I simply do not understand why so many Republicans make this comment. Obama wasn't always rich and has one house, meanwhile McCain is a multi-millionaire and has like 10 houses and cars! Don't make McCain out to be some sort of farm boy who's in touch with the working class.

My original statement about not trusting a silver tongue had nothing to do about wealth and connecting to the 'working class' (dare I say prolitariate?) and everything to do about not trusting a used car salesman or a ambulance chasing lawyer.
"life is pain! anyone who says otherwise is selling something."---the dread pirate roberts.

Furthermore, McCain was a navy brat who married into $$$. He has strong roots in service, not silver spoons.
 
For those people who aren't voting for McCain because of Palin--please tell me why she is so less qualified to be vice president than Obama is to be president? Do you really not see the hypocrisy in this view? At best she is more qualified, at worst just as qualified as Obama. At least be honest--you don't like her because the way she talks and because she is a pretty woman--who obviously can't be president. The only difference between Obama and Palin on the experience front is Obama has had 2+ years to rehearse for his run for president, while Palin has had 2+ months. I think it's very sad how conservative women are being attacked in the media, and sadder that you are being brainwashed by the media.
 
At best she is more qualified, at worst just as qualified as Obama. At least be honest--you don't like her because the way she talks and because she is a pretty woman--who obviously can't be president.
Seriously? She's just as qualified as Obama? Obama has been senator for 3 years of a major US state, has foreign policy and federal law experience, and has been active in many aspects of the federal government over that span. Palin meanwhile was mayor of a town of less than 10,000 people and then governor of a state that has less people than many major cities. Her idea of foreign policy is seeing Russia from her backyard.

I don't dislike her because she's a woman. I am a woman. I dislike her because she's woefully unqualified to be vice president, and the idea of her being president someday is laughable...laughable because that's exactly what the rest of this world will do with her at the helm.

Edit: I'm not attacking you personally, I hope it doesn't seem that way. I just really can't stand that woman.
 
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For those arguing about obama's tax plan 'redistributing wealth' and complaining about working hard and giving money to lazy ppl, Isn't this already happening? I don't live in the US so correct me if i'm wrong but don't you have tax brackets which progressively increase the rate of taxation depending on your income. So techncially there's already resdistribution of wealth. Is that extra 3% on anything you make over 250K really the major deciding factor when you're picking your president?
 
I find it funny how like 90 % of liberals on this board will switch to being conservative once they are older and start practicing medicine and see the light. It's well known that young people and ignorant adults tend to vote liberal.
 
Seriously? She's just as qualified as Obama? Obama has been senator for 3 years of a major US state
She has been governor of a major US state for 2 years. States are like mini USAs and governors are like mini presidents.
has foreign policy (experience)
This simply is not true. Of course, neither does Palin. But then again, Palin isn't running for president.
and federal law experience
Yes, he voted on many federal laws. This isn't to be confused with writing legislation.
and has been active in many aspects of the federal government over that span.
About half of his time as a US senator has been spent campaigning for president
Palin meanwhile was mayor of a town of less than 10,000 people
Are you seriously going to discredit this? How elitist! You know, the majority of americans don't live in cities the size of chicago.
and then governor of a state that has less people than many major cities.
Again, same elitist deal. Alaska is one of the most important states in the Union, despite its limited population, for one simple reason: oil. And guess who took on big oil?
Her idea of foreign policy is seeing Russia from her backyard.
Using this out of context comment as supporting evidence in an argument is absurd.


I'm sorry, but those are all poor reasons for disliking her. Some appropriate ones would be:
Her far right political views.
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Thats about it.
 
For those arguing about obama's tax plan 'redistributing wealth' and complaining about working hard and giving money to lazy ppl, Isn't this already happening? I don't live in the US so correct me if i'm wrong but don't you have tax brackets which progressively increase the rate of taxation depending on your income. So techncially there's already resdistribution of wealth. Is that extra 3% on anything you make over 250K really the major deciding factor when you're picking your president?

You're right, we are on a progressive system. The issues people are taking with a tax increase:
1. 3% this year. 3% next year. 3% next year Whats 3 more percent? You have to draw the line somewhere.
2. The last president to raise taxes during a recession was Hoover. Didn't work so well.

When times are tough, inefficient spending needs to be cut. Efficient spending needs to become more efficient. Throwing money at an inefficient project will just reinforce its inefficiency
 
Are you seriously going to discredit this? How elitist! You know, the majority of americans don't live in cities the size of chicago.

I'm sorry, but those are all poor reasons for disliking her. Some appropriate ones would be:
Her far right political views.
How is it elitist of me to say that being a governor of state that has 650,000 people total doesn't make her qualified to be VP of the US? I don't even live in a big city. But come on...she's running for vice president of the United States, a country of 300,000,000. I think size matters in this case. Maybe I wouldn't be making this argument if she were governor for 20 years instead of 2.

And honestly, this stuff wouldn't matter as much to me if she weren't so far right I can barely see her. The woman doesn't believe in evolution for goodness sakes. The separation of church and state would never happen if she were president.

Look, it's fine if you don't like Obama. I'm not saying he's the most experienced guy out there. But he is more qualified than Palin, plain and simple.
 
For all of you who think that there needs to be fewer regulations and the free markets are infallible, here's a reality check:


Nobody likes regulations, but you them to protect people from their own stupidity and greed.

I would rather see a little increase in taxes than to see my 401k decimated by half, gas prices increase 3x over last 8 years, falling home prices. Stability and steady growth are what this country should aim for.

The Republicans will lose big this November. The presidency and Congress will shift more toward democrats. This is the price that Republicans have to pay for supporting an idiotic president and naive policies like tax cuts after tax cuts while the national debt doubled to $10 trillion. Republicans claim to be for fiscal responsibility and that's what I prefer. Yet, I haven't seen any fiscal responsibility from them since Reagon left us with this debt legacy.
 
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And honestly, this stuff wouldn't matter as much to me if she weren't so far right I can barely see her. The woman doesn't believe in evolution for goodness sakes. The separation of church and state would never happen if she were president.

This is the only part I agree with.
 
Obama ... has foreign policy experience

uh no :uhno:

The woman doesn't believe in evolution for goodness sakes.

wtf does that have to do with anything? you ACTUALLY believe that one must be a darwin lemming to hold the office of VP? is your brain cell ok?

But he is more qualified than Palin, plain and simple.

ok, fine. you can believe this, and i'll believe otherwise. the thing is, he's not running against palin, is he? nor is palin running for prez.

we're all still free men and women (for the time being) with the right to our opinions.

but gee, let's just try to stay in the vicinity of reality when stating our opinions, mmk?
 
wtf does that have to do with anything? you ACTUALLY believe that one must be a darwin lemming to hold the office of VP? is your brain cell ok?
Gee, don't hold back or anything. It's not the specific lack of belief in evolution that I have a problem with, it's that she is so blinded by fundamentalist Christianity that that is going to determine how she runs things. You think her daughter and the thousands of teenagers getting pregnant every year would benefit from being taught about sex and birth control in school? Well, I know they would but all she can think about is that abstinence-only education is right because that's what the Bible says. Let's not even touch on abortion. How about embryonic stem-cell research, the ability to cure diseases and help millions of people by using cells? Nah, we probably shouldn't go there either.

See what I mean? I have absolutely no problem with Christianity or Islam or Judaism or any other religion, but I don't want my nation's leaders to be so blinded by faith that they can't even consider the benefits of the alternatives.

Also, the chances of McCain dying in presidency are > 10% (someone calculated it out). So if you're not at least asking yourself "What would Sarah Palin be like as president?" you're making a big mistake.
 
For all of you who think that there needs to be fewer regulations and the free markets are infallible, here's a reality check:


Nobody likes regulations, but you them to protect people from their own stupidity and greed.

I would rather see a little increase in taxes than to see my 401k decimated by half, gas prices increase 3x over last 8 years, falling home prices. Stability and steady growth are what this country should aim for.

The Republicans will lose big this November. The presidency and Congress will shift more toward democrats. This is the price that Republicans have to pay for supporting an idiotic president and naive policies like tax cuts after tax cuts while the national debt doubled to $10 trillion. Republicans claim to be for fiscal responsibility and that's what I prefer. Yet, I haven't seen any fiscal responsibility from them since Reagon left us with this debt legacy.

I think you said that well.. There IS a cost to pay!
 
Excelsius, I would imagine that if you spent some time reading and contemplating American politics and not just spitting out talking points and acting like a total "jackash," as I've seen you do before (please refer to the stupid Loma Linda thread), you would have two things happen.

1. People would take you seriously...maybe.

2. You wouldn't look like a d***.

If I sound harsh at times, that's because I am angry about how this country has been ruined. That is in line with the rest of about 70% of Americans who in recent poll said that they are angry. After all these years, people are still open to the idea to have this country ruled by the same party, by a similar candidate, in a similar fashion as the last eight years. I also know that many of you vote republican simply because of your religious views, which is not right given that state and religion should be separate.

I wouldn't care if you are a medical student trying to become a doctor who doesn't believe in evolution and thinks that it is ok for a school to take federal money and discriminate the admissions on the basis of religion. The problem is that these things affect the rest of us, therefore we speak up. You are right, that thread was stupid. But that's because the idea for which the school stands for is likewise stupid.

And you know, maybe in the future I might vote republican. But the fact is that right now, in this election, if you read and follow politics more closely, you'll see that McCain is not going to be a good choice either for your pocketbook or for this country. You have many years of low wages ahead of you. Voting Democrat now, even if you have to vote republican later, is not a sign that you have "matured" over the years, but rather that you have made a better business decision. Anyone who claims to belong only to one party is wrong. So is the idea that if you vote republican later means that somehow you were deficient when you voted democrat in your younger years.
 
That is in line with the rest of about 70% of Americans who in recent poll said that they are angry. After all these years, people are still open to the idea to have this country ruled by the same party, by a similar candidate, in a similar fashion as the last eight years. quote]

I don't know about you, but IMHO, the last 2 years have been the worst of them. This democratic congress is the worst in past 300 years. Besides voting to raise their own salaries and 3,000 special resolutions containing gems such as 'watermelon month' and 'topsoil awareness', the 110th congress hasnt done much.

I could stomache a conservative congress and Obama, or a liberal congress and McCain, but the thought of one party controlling all three prongs of government seriously scares me. Checks and balances? who needs those:rolleyes:
 
How is it elitist of me to say that being a governor of state that has 650,000 people total doesn't make her qualified to be VP of the US? I don't even live in a big city. But come on...she's running for vice president of the United States, a country of 300,000,000. I think size matters in this case. Maybe I wouldn't be making this argument if she were governor for 20 years instead of 2.

And honestly, this stuff wouldn't matter as much to me if she weren't so far right I can barely see her. The woman doesn't believe in evolution for goodness sakes. The separation of church and state would never happen if she were president.

Look, it's fine if you don't like Obama. I'm not saying he's the most experienced guy out there. But he is more qualified than Palin, plain and simple.

You are making blatant generalizations about someone who is a faithful Christian, of which I am also. The media pins the religious as intolerant and ignorant, and made Palin the poster child for this effort. She doesn't deserve these labels. In the often-cited Couric interview she was asked out right if evolution should be taught in schools and she clearly said yes. Saying things like the separation of church and state would never happen under Palin is ridiculous, and I think you know it. It's inflammatory.

What else makes her so far right you can barely see her? She believes in small government and low taxes. This is what a conservative believes in. Nothing new. She's a strong successful, conservative, woman with a supportive husband. For some reason this makes people scared. She's worthy of my admiration as an ambitious woman, for sure.

On the experience front, as a governor you are a leader. As a senator you vote on things. You aren't in charge of anything or anyone except your small staff. Palin has 25,000 people on the Alaskan payrolls. She's commander in chief of the Alaskan guard. Governors of every state are uniquely qualified to be president--more so than are senators. If a governor needs 20 years to be qualified per your standards, than a senator should need 40. Delaware is a small state--so, Joe Biden is unqualified, right?
 
I don't know about you, but IMHO, the last 2 years have been the worst of them. This democratic congress is the worst in past 300 years. Besides voting to raise their own salaries and 3,000 special resolutions containing gems such as 'watermelon month' and 'topsoil awareness', the 110th congress hasnt done much.

I could stomache a conservative congress and Obama, or a liberal congress and McCain, but the thought of one party controlling all three prongs of government seriously scares me. Checks and balances? who needs those:rolleyes:

Bingo. Maybe Obama isn't a bad guy, and I hope at least he's sincere and has good intentions. But a very liberal congress being uncheked by a very liberal president is a recipe for disaster. You want tax hikes? You got em! You want socialized medicine? Cool! You want to expand the welfare program? No problem!
 
You are making blatant generalizations about someone who is a faithful Christian, of which I am also. The media pins the religious as intolerant and ignorant, and made Palin the poster child for this effort. She doesn't deserve these labels. In the often-cited Couric interview she was asked out right if evolution should be taught in schools and she clearly said yes. Saying things like the separation of church and state would never happen under Palin is ridiculous, and I think you know it. It's inflammatory.
See my post below:
It's not the specific lack of belief in evolution that I have a problem with, it's that she is so blinded by fundamentalist Christianity that that is going to determine how she runs things. You think her daughter and the thousands of teenagers getting pregnant every year would benefit from being taught about sex and birth control in school? Well, I know they would but all she can think about is that abstinence-only education is right because that's what the Bible says. Let's not even touch on abortion. How about embryonic stem-cell research, the ability to cure diseases and help millions of people by using cells? Nah, we probably shouldn't go there either.

See what I mean? I have absolutely no problem with Christianity or Islam or Judaism or any other religion, but I don't want my nation's leaders to be so blinded by faith that they can't even consider the benefits of the alternatives
The point is that I have no problem with someone being a devout Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, whatever...I myself am a religious person. My comment in no way was meant to be inflammatory. What I was alluding to is that these are not traits that I personally want in a national leader. (And yes, she is a fundamentalist.) Believing in small government and lower taxes? That's totally fine, that's just difference in politics. But believing in abstinence-only education or that gay marriage is morally wrong (and thus not giving gay people the same civil benefits as heterosexuals) are values that are derived from religious texts, which I personally believe does not have a place in our government. Again, these are my beliefs, that's all.

Also, Biden has one of the longest senate-terms in history and has had experience for the last 35 years. Comparing his experience to Palin's is useless, I think. But like I said, I care a lot more about the stuff I said above.
 
See my post below:

But believing in abstinence-only education or that gay marriage is morally wrong (and thus not giving gay people the same civil benefits as heterosexuals) are values that are derived from religious texts, which I personally believe does not have a place in our government. .

Our freaking nation was founded on religious principles. John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

If you don't like Christian values, move somewhere else. I am getting tired of people who want to remove "in God we trust" from the dollar, change the pledge of allegiance to remove "under God", and allowing gay marriage.

If gays want to engage in Sodom and Gomorrah like activities, let them do it. I don't care. I just don't think they should be legally and lawfully wedded. Let's not destroy the sanctity of marriage with this totally unchristian practice.

Before people start calling me a gay-hater, let me assure you I am not. I have nothing against them as people, and I have some friends that are gay, but I don't respect their lifestyle. I have some friends that have committed adultery as well. I love these friends, but I abhor the choices and lifestyle they live. Hate the sin, love the sinner thing.
 
Our freaking nation was founded on religious principles. John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, and one of the three men most responsible for the writing of the Constitution declared:

"Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty-as well as privilege and interest- of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

If you don't like Christian values, move somewhere else. I am getting tired of people who want to remove "in God we trust" from the dollar, change the pledge of allegiance to remove "under God", and allowing gay marriage.

If gays want to engage in Sodom and Gomorrah like activities, let them do it. I don't care. I just don't think they should be legally and lawfully wedded. Let's not destroy the sanctity of marriage with this totally unchristian practice.

Before people start calling me a gay-hater, let me assure you I am not. I have nothing against them as people, and I have some friends that are gay, but I don't respect their lifestyle. I have some friends that have committed adultery as well. I love these friends, but I abhor the choices and lifestyle they live. Hate the sin, love the sinner thing.

Let me guess. You're a Bush supporter. Do you have wet dreams about him or something? :rolleyes: I personally believe that everyone who supported Bush should be shipped off to Iraq to fight for this ill-conceived war.
 
Let me guess. You're a Bush supporter. Do you have wet dreams about him or something? :rolleyes: I personally believe that everyone who supported Bush should be shipped off to Iraq to fight for this ill-conceived war.

I'm not a Bush supporter. I already said this earlier in this forum. :beat:

Not everyone who opposes gay marriage is a Bush supporter.
 
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