Who will you vote for and why? [Allopathic version]

[mTOR]

Obama for me because he's a decent family man with whom McCain happens to have some disagreements

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[Baritonebass]

I can't vote for a canidate that makes women pay for rape kit's when here state has a surplus. Also Mccain has changed too much in the last 66 monthes

 

[MrBurns10]

Obama. I'm as socially liberal as they come.

(I don't really dislike McCain. But Palin...another story completely.)

 

[moe_4eva]

It would be Obama for me. I didn't hate McCain when he first started on the campaign trail, but he's definitely started to lose it. And his choice with Palin for his running mate completely sealed the ticket for me (can you imagine her as President?). Although I will say I'm not terribly fond of either candidates views on healthcare reform.

 

[psipsina]

Obama. I agree more with his idea of where this country needs to be headed and he seems more level headed and capable of dealing with difficult situations to me. McCain, in addition to having policies that I disagree with, seems like he's a loose cannon in recent years which pushed me even further away from considering him. His entire campaign reeks of desperation which is never a good sign. My mind was already made up before he picked Palin but that just confirmed that he makes poor decisions for me. There were other female republicans out there that would have filled the spot without all the Palinesque gaffes and ridiculousness (rape kits, troopergate, can't interview etc).

 

[sirus_virus]

This election is really effectively over. Mccain needs to save his money for retirement, because there is no way in the world he is going to be able to catch up with Obama at this point. I don't like either candidiate, but at this point people have dicided Obama will be the next president, and rightfully so. What has the republican party done for us lately.

 

[SomeDoc]

Obama for me because he's a decent family man with whom McCain happens to have some disagreements

I have to say, I was somewhat surprised at that old lady's comment. But on further thought, maybe it wasn't much of a surprise (sadly).

 

[myKuduSlewaZulu]

They both suck, but i'll go for mccain. I'm not sold on one party controlling two branches of gov, and mccain's healthcare plan intrigues me a little more.

 

[rachmoninov3]

I don't like the way Obama uses his silver tongue to promise us all the moon and the stars. I don't buy it. Sure, I would have wanted McCain to be a little younger, and not to have chosen Palin, but he's certainly a better choice than Obama.

 

[strv04]

I can't wait to have a practice one day so I can stop hiring staff and taking on new patients once my income reaches $249,999. Why work harder and miss my kids soccer games and such so I can pay the government more then 50% of my income

Thank God we have someone like Obama who will fix our health care system.



Lets make healthcare free so demand goes through the roof.

and

Lets punish people by taking their income if they make too much money like those greedy rich doctors over there.

I'm sure that will make our embarrassing infant mortality rates fall in line with Europe and Cuba so we can all sleep better at night.

 

[cpants]

I can't vote for a canidate that makes women pay for rape kit's when here state has a surplus. Also Mccain has changed too much in the last 66 monthes

That's about as stupid as not voting for Obama because he attended Rev. Wright's church. Why does everyone buy all these BS distractions the campaigns throws at them? Figure out which campaign's platform you agree with and vote for that candidate.

Obama and McCain are basically the same. Neither one will improve America. I'm voting third party. I hope more Americans will wake up and realize that both parties are basically the same and that they both are screwing this country.

 

[Blesbok]

That's about as stupid as not voting for Obama because he attended Rev. Wright's church. Why does everyone buy all these BS distractions the campaigns throws at them? Figure out which campaign's platform you agree with and vote for that candidate.

Obama and McCain are basically the same. Neither one will improve America. I'm voting third party. I hope more Americans will wake up and realize that both parties are basically the same and that they both are screwing this country.

I hope more Americans will realize that voting third party is throwing a vote away. Pick the lesser of two evils and go with whichever that is to you.

 

[cpants]

It's not throwing a vote away. It is a vote of no confidence in the two major parties and puts pressure on them to move toward third party ideas. Think past one election.

 

[bcat85]

I'm not voting. I was voting for McCain... and then he picked Sarah Palin.

My mom is smarter than Sarah Palin... not as hot... but smarter.

 

[SomeDoc]

I have to say, I was somewhat surprised at that old lady's comment. But on further thought, maybe it wasn't much of a surprise (sadly).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4

 

[bball1984]

That's about as stupid as not voting for Obama because he attended Rev. Wright's church. Why does everyone buy all these BS distractions the campaigns throws at them? Figure out which campaign's platform you agree with and vote for that candidate.

Obama and McCain are basically the same. Neither one will improve America. I'm voting third party. I hope more Americans will wake up and realize that both parties are basically the same and that they both are screwing this country.

This is a very good point that I hope people heed.

I am about to get on my soap box, so please pardon me for a second. It could be argued that it is socially irresponsible to vote for one candidate or another because you have deep-rooted hatred for their running mate, the way they look, their age, etc.

Check out each person's platform and policies. Vote for the candidate whose views you most line up with. Don't listen to all the media rantings (for one side or the other) and believe everything that is said. I assume most people here are med students, use that intelligence and make a well-informed choice for whichever side you throw your support to. I may never agree with the choice that someone makes, but if they have researched the issues and candidates, decided where they stand, and vote accordingly- that is all anyone could ask.

If you think Obama or McCain is going to bring about a utopian society, you are badly mistaken. Obama's plans are going to punish small businesses and increase government spending- you don't socialize healthcare without raising taxes (on EVERYONE) significantly. There may be tax cuts in the early stages, but eventually, taxes WILL have to go up for funding of the bloated government programs.

McCain's plan for healthcare will, unfortunately, leave some people still uninsured in all likelihood. McCain will not immediately leave Iraq. And yes, he is old.

 

[Jolie South]

They both suck, but i'll go for mccain. I'm not sold on one party controlling two branches of gov, and mccain's healthcare plan intrigues me a little more.

really?

the way his plan reads to me is essentially shifting of responsibility for health insurance from the employer to the individual. it really will not improve the level of insured and will probably result in loss of insured status for many at median income levels.

what good is the plan if more people won't be insured? why expend all the extra cash for a small result.

that's how i see it from my limited understanding.

 

[H_Caulfield]

Ah, reminds me of my own class. Always nice to see med students so brainwashed by liberal idealism that they're voting against their own future earning potential.

 

[strv04]

shifting of responsibility for health insurance from the employer to the individual

there needs to be more of this in our country that's why its a good idea

Unlike in 1950 people do not work for the same company their entire lives. Switching jobs and careers is part of game these days. If your not taking personal responsibility for something as important your health by having insurance to pay for those unforeseen events (accident, cancer, ect) then It's very hard to have pity on you when you get stuck with the bill.

Universal insurance does not equal health. Universal insurance does not guarantee you the right to medicine and surgery. Health insurance protects you from financial burden following costly health care. If you remove the personal financial burden from a patient demand will greatly increase (see Massachusetts, California health care deficits) while supply will stay the same or even decrease. So in a sense you trade a market with high prices for a shortage that will never go away (Capitalism vs Socialism). There is not a lack of access to health care in this country, if you don't believe walk into an ER. There is however a surplus of people without insurance, of which a large percentage are not actually citizens, between jobs, choose not to have insurance (irresponsible), and finally several million who honestly can't afford any and don't qualify for medicaid. To reduce the number of those who honestly can't afford insurance allowing more competition between insurance companies and increasing portability seem like better ideas then creating a giant new system of universal insurance and substandard underfunded care.

 

[myKuduSlewaZulu]

really?

the way his plan reads to me is essentially shifting of responsibility for health insurance from the employer to the individual. it really will not improve the level of insured and will probably result in loss of insured status for many at median income levels.

what good is the plan if more people won't be insured? why expend all the extra cash for a small result.

that's how i see it from my limited understanding.

Your employer doesn't pay for your insurance now...you do, they simply reduce the wages and or other benefits in your total compensation package to make room for it and let you pick one of the plans they've chosen. Having insurance tied to employment simply adds inflexibility to the labor market. I'm generally of the opinion that the biggest problem in health care is not a lack of insurance, but cost, which is what really affects access and which ironically is exacerbated by our overuse of insurance.

 

[Jolie South]

Your employer doesn't pay for your insurance now...you do, they simply reduce the wages and or other benefits in your total compensation package to make room for it and let you pick one of the plans they've chosen. Having insurance tied to employment simply adds inflexibility to the labor market. I'm generally of the opinion that the biggest problem in health care is not a lack of insurance, but cost, which is what really affects access and which ironically is exacerbated by our overuse of insurance.

i get that, but the real question is whether employers are going to give you that extra compensation (some estimate at around $12k/year for insurance for a family of 4) when they no longer offer insurance. so in essence, employers will no longer receive the tax break for offering employee health insurance, but they're going to pay you more to make up for it? i'm doubtful.

if this is the case, the proposed tax credits are not going to be enough to offset the lack of employer provided insurance. last i saw, mccain was proposing $5K. where does the average person get the extra $7K from when they're making $50K?

i'm just not sure i see the connection between unlinking insurance and lower costs and encouraging people to use insurance less. then again, i'm not well versed in all the intricacies of economics and the market.

 

[The Buff]

Ah, reminds me of my own class. Always nice to see med students so brainwashed by liberal idealism that they're voting against their own future earning potential.

A huge AMEN to this statement. Neither candidate is going to make this country noticeably better, but one will take more money out of my pocket just because I am intelligent and toiled my twenties away in school. Boo taxing the rich and giving it to the poor. Vote McCain.

 

[luna81]

A huge AMEN to this statement. Neither candidate is going to make this country noticeably better, but one will take more money out of my pocket just because I am intelligent and toiled my twenties away in school. Boo taxing the rich and giving it to the poor. Vote McCain.

And it's statements like yours which remind me why I went into medicine in the first place and why I am NOT voting for McCain. If you're only concern in voting for a candidate is how it might affect your future salary (if it happens to be over 250K), you probably went into medicine for the wrong reasons, although you're surely not alone in voting based solely on your pocketbook. By noting that you are intelligent and toiled your twenties away, are you suggesting that those from less fortunate backgrounds are stupid or do not work just as hard to get what they have? Should they be punished with no opportunity for acquiring health insurance just because they were not given the same opportunities as you? I'm not sure how to view the statement you made other than as self-centered and ignorant, and I thank God that some people still go into medicine and politics with the hopes of helping out other less fortunate people, instead of solely focusing on how to further benefit their own lives.

 

[GZA]

A huge AMEN to this statement. Neither candidate is going to make this country noticeably better, but one will take more money out of my pocket just because I am intelligent and toiled my twenties away in school. Boo taxing the rich and giving it to the poor. Vote McCain.

nevermind

 

[turkeyjerky]

A huge AMEN to this statement. Neither candidate is going to make this country noticeably better, but one will take more money out of my pocket just because I am intelligent and toiled my twenties away in school. Boo taxing the rich and giving it to the poor. Vote McCain.

How I wish the other 95% of the population would also vote their pocketbook...

 

[MrBurns10]

I am definitely not for increasing taxes for the rich...no one deserves to give 50% of their salary to the government, even if that salary is in the millions. But I personally would MUCH rather run the risk of getting taxed more if it meant abortion wouldn't be disallowed, gay people could marry, etc etc. What we need is smarter spending and I don't think McCain offers that.

Besides, doesn't the Senate/House have to vote to approve whatever the president proposes? If that's the case, I don't think a drastic change in the tax program would be approved.

 

[H_Caulfield]

And it's statements like yours which remind me why I went into medicine in the first place and why I am NOT voting for McCain. If you're only concern in voting for a candidate is how it might affect your future salary (if it happens to be over 250K), you probably went into medicine for the wrong reasons, although you're surely not alone in voting based solely on your pocketbook. By noting that you are intelligent and toiled your twenties away, are you suggesting that those from less fortunate backgrounds are stupid or do not work just as hard to get what they have? Should they be punished with no opportunity for acquiring health insurance just because they were not given the same opportunities as you? I'm not sure how to view the statement you made other than as self-centered and ignorant, and I thank God that some people still go into medicine and politics with the hopes of helping out other less fortunate people, instead of solely focusing on how to further benefit their own lives.

It isn't the 250k+ thing that will hurt our salaries significantly (and we will, once he's elected, find out that it sure as hell isn't just the 250k+ guys getting the raise on taxes), but rather it's the complete socialization of health care that will screw us.

I read these sad, liberal views on here and realize the situation in this country is far worse than I thought. You're brainwashed, dude. There are only so many resources, and not enough to give everybody what you have. Ultimately, what you have will be reduced to what the poor have now, and at that point they won't give a !@#$ about the fact that you were so generous and liberal...in fact, the poor remember that the point of life is to acquire resources and survive, so they'll stomp on you once given a shot at your weak character.

Socialist countries don't bring the poor up to the level of the rich. They bring the rich WAAAAY down to a similar level as the poor, such that there's no opportunity to be successful anymore.

But go on being a communist and feeling "generous." After the people you want to support use your income taxes to buy rims, sue you while you're trying to heal them, and then mug you as you're leaving the building....then you might regain a bit of natural instincts and remember what natural selection dictates life should be about.

 

[strv04]

I'm not sure how to view the statement you made other than as self-centered and ignorant, and I thank God that some people still go into medicine and politics with the hopes of helping out other less fortunate people, instead of solely focusing on how to further benefit their own lives.

I'm confused are you saying that people who choose careers only to benefit themselves are self-centered and ignorant? Maybe we should only work for others and not take anything for ourselves eh comrade? Acting shocked when you realize some of the smartest and hard working people in our country chose this profession for more then just the opportunity to help the needy is ignorant. Think outside of your self-centered box and realize your priorities will probably change from wanting to save the world in your early 20s to wanting to take care of your family and save for your childrens education when your 40. How do you think you will feel then when the government tells you half of your income doesn't belong to you and wants more. If your are truly concerned about helping the poor or paying down the national debt what is stoping you from donating your money to such casues.

 

[Ashers]

I dislike both. I've disliked McCain since I was in college in Arizona; he's too liberal for me, but I'm voting for him anyway, since I can't make myself vote for a third party.

 

[DwyaneWade]

Both are screwups. But I could never forgive myself if Sarah Palin became our president.

 

[mglavin]

McCain got exactly what he always wanted, a campaign that reaches out to independents and democrats which is also why he will probably lose.

What this country needs is a candidate that moves the entire electorate's philosphy to the right as Regan did. Someone unlike GWB who can articulate why being a conservative is and always will be a better philosphy then being a liberal.

Thats is why the left has been acting so deathly afriad of Palin becasue she is the type of person that is capable of doing what Regan did.

If Obama wins however it will open the door just as Jimmy Carter opened the door for a strong conservative to put our country back in the right direction. Hoepfully there won't be to much damage casued by Obama but that all depends on the make up of congress so make sure you vote.

 

[mjl1717]

1) Say what you want, but to me Palin just doesnt even fit in!!!!

2) Hilary being President is one thing, I just dont think those Eastern countries or people here will go for Palin...[I actually think Palin scares people]

3)Republicans had there chance and could do nothing, but make us more hated and in great, serious, astonomical debt (lying and telling dumb American people "the foundation of the economy is good", "everything is ok"-- I go Obama.. (how much of a beating does the middle class have to take to understand this?..)

4) Analogy--- The fast ball isn't working, try a curve ball.. Do YOU even have a curve ball?. - I go Obama..

5)Also its not just the gas.


As much as Palin throws cherry bombs at Obama, she has a real big scandal in Alaska..

 

[Textuality]

Have you guys seem McCain's "anti-obama" commercials? Where there's a voice-over by this matronly woman going "Oh, how dishonorable!". They just crack me up laughing, I get this mental image of this old, dowdy white lady gasping in disapproval in a "tsk tsk" kind of way.

 

[PrecordialThump]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qAsx8nGMXY

I'm voting for McCain, b/c I don't agree with this mindset.

Obama wants to take money away from a guy who owns a plumbing company and "spread it around" to others who aren't as successful.

This is redistributing wealth, not creating wealth.

Let the plumber keep his money. He wants to grow his business and "put more trucks on the road" i.e. CREATE jobs and wealth. That's a good thing in my book. Plus, making 250K in a particular year (the cutoff for Obama's tax increase) isn't such a huge amount of money when periodically the business will spend large sums of money to buy new equipment (i.e.new trucks, tools, supplies, etc). They make 250K one year, but reinvest in the biz and buy 5 more trucks the next year and have a net income of 30K that year. It's a dynamic income level, and the guy may need to make 250K for a few years (without being taxed heavily) to save enough capital to effectively weather a period where business is down without firing all of his employees.

The plumber took the time to learn how to be a plumber, learned how to run a biz, risked his capital to start the biz, deals with the headaches of not only being a plumber, but of also being a manager AND creates jobs in his community.

Obama should go unclog toilets with this guy for a few months.

 

[WorkaholicsAnon]

I'm going to be writing in Rudy Giuliani for president. Cause (personal life aside, which i could care less about) he's an overall good guy, looks out for the average person, is trustworthy, and knows how to get things done.

I encourage all Giuliani's supporters to do the same.

 

[nogolfinsnow]

I'm not voting. I was voting for McCain... and then he picked Sarah Palin.

My mom is smarter than Sarah Palin... not as hot... but smarter.

You just don't look at your mom like the rest of us do.....

People seem to take it for granted that republicans are better stewards of the economy, and now the Dow is lower than it was in 2000. There are not data out there that prove republican economic policies are better than democratic economic policies. The tax cuts for people making >250k that Bush signed that Obama plans to let expire did not do what Bush claimed they would do. He, and many Republicans, have this idea of trickle down economics that is proving to not work in the real world. And at least Obama will come out and say some people's taxes will increase. Some people's taxes (especially high income earners like us future doctors who will get their health insurance through our future employers) will go up under McCain's plans. And he has a gaping $1.3 trillion hole in his health care proposal that he hasn't quite figured out how to fill yet. I have a sneaking suspicion someone's taxes might have to go up.......And the continued high cost of war also necessitates bringing in lots of money, and the staggering cost of providing care for our wounded troops...

 

[DrBowtie]

McCain. The financial security of my own family trumps all.

 

[PrecordialThump]

(especially high income earners like us future doctors who will get their health insurance through our future employers)

The majority of physicians are in some form of private practice and thus pay for their own health insurance (and that of their employees if they can), genius.

 

[bball1984]

Redistribution of wealth is an incredibly socialistic (even Communistic) principle. If this truly happens, and it will if Obama were to win the election, things will change drastically here. Our country was built on freedom and hard work. These qualities seem to be gone today. No one is saying that helping others out is wrong at all. But it is NOT greedy to make 250,000 in a year and then be upset because the government took half your paycheck. NO government deserves half of a person's paycheck. I know everyone on here (well, most people) are saying we should just be glad to be helping others and not worry about pay. However, I think minds will change when 8 years from now people start finishing residency with 150,000-250,000 in debt and see salaries drop significantly. 100,000 per year is a great salary, but not if you have a quarter million dollars in debt. Also, by then, the government will take half your salary and give it to to a cab driver, so that docs make 100 grand with a ton of debt while cab drivers can make 50 grand with no education or debt at all.

When there is no incentive for people to work hard, people don't work hard, in any career. This will also hurt our healthcare system, as fewer top students pursue medical careers, and the docs already working become more disillusioned with a system that does not offer incentives for hard work or excellence.

I will end this long post with an example. We are all in school and all work hard for our grades. If any of us worked hard this semester and made a 4.0 in med school, we would be excited right? What if I was in your class and partied it up, barely got by, and made a 2.0. Then, the school administration came to you and said "we want to help others that are less fortunate and just can't seem to get it together. We are going to help your classmate with a 2.0 out and donate one point off your GPA to them. So, you both get a 3.0!" Would you be excited about that? I wouldn't, and the whole redistribution of wealth works on exactly the same principle.

 

[bball1984]

Not to be ugly, but the only docs who get their healthcare provided are mainly academic physicians working at big universities. Even then, it works like it does anywhere else and their salary takes a cut to pay for it. Private practive docs pay for insurance OUT OF POCKET.

 

[nogolfinsnow]

McCain got exactly what he always wanted, a campaign that reaches out to independents and democrats which is also why he will probably lose.

What this country needs is a candidate that moves the entire electorate's philosphy to the right as Regan did. Someone unlike GWB who can articulate why being a conservative is and always will be a better philosphy then being a liberal.

Thats is why the left has been acting so deathly afriad of Palin becasue she is the type of person that is capable of doing what Regan did.

If Obama wins however it will open the door just as Jimmy Carter opened the door for a strong conservative to put our country back in the right direction. Hoepfully there won't be to much damage casued by Obama but that all depends on the make up of congress so make sure you vote.

That's funny. You said GWB showed why conservative philosophy is better. Then you said someone had to pur our country back in the right direction. This means one of two things; you think the country's on the wrong track despite a strong conservative in office, or you think Obama's going to put it on the wrong tack, which mean you think the country's on the right track right now. Would these be the conservative ideals such as small gov't spending (which has gone through the roof under dubya's watch) and free market capitalism (and now the gov't is partial owner of private banks)?

 

[nogolfinsnow]

The majority of physicians are in some form of private practice and thus pay for their own health insurance (and that of their employees if they can), genius.

Genius? Thanks!

A lot of private practice are really just businesses though. So you and 3 docs are in a private practice, you purchase a group insurance policy to cover you, your spouses, your kids, your employees, and maybe or maybe not their dependents. So while you are the one literally buying the insurance, you are getting the insurance from your practice, which is a business. You therefore get nice tax breaks on it. You also get nice tax breaks on your employee's policies. You lose those tax breaks under McCain's plan. If you have say 3-4 docs and maybe an NP or PA and 5-10 support staff, billers and coders, etc, your businesses tax burden just went way up, and now you take home less at the end of the day 'cause you just sent a bigger chunk of to Unlce Sam. Maybe you ditch your health care plan, but since you're a great boss you pay give your employees all a raise equal to the difference between the tax credit under McCain's plan and the actual cost of health insurance, but now you have to pay payroll taxes on all of these raises. When it's all said and done, do you pay more in taxes under McCain's or Obama's tax plan? Maybe Obama's, beause you get to split McCain's increases between your other partners, but really I have no clue. But it's not as cut and dry as saying Obama's raising my taxes, because really McCain is too, he just doesn't say it quite so forcefully because frankly, he's not pandering quite as hard as Obama is.

 

[thRob]

Probably McCain, though I hate his campaign - particularly the recent attack ads. He had so much more potential! I lean more towards the conservative side of being independent simply because I can't stand the liberal echo-chamber circle jerks you'll find where I grew up (IL) and went to undergrad (WashU)

 

[bcat85]

Probably McCain, though I hate his campaign - particularly the recent attack ads. He had so much more potential! I lean more towards the conservative side of being independent simply because I can't stand the liberal echo-chamber circle jerks you'll find where I grew up (IL) and went to undergrad (WashU)

Word. I used to be what i considered relatively liberal, until I spent some time with some people who are actually liberal, and it made me yearn for a knife in the forehead. I agree with you on McCain's campaign though. He would probably be competing pretty tightly with Obama right now if it weren't for his terrible campaign management and his dense, completely incompetent running mate.

 

[anon-y-mouse]

It isn't the 250k+ thing that will hurt our salaries significantly (and we will, once he's elected, find out that it sure as hell isn't just the 250k+ guys getting the raise on taxes), but rather it's the complete socialization of health care that will screw us.

I read these sad, liberal views on here and realize the situation in this country is far worse than I thought. You're brainwashed, dude. There are only so many resources, and not enough to give everybody what you have. Ultimately, what you have will be reduced to what the poor have now, and at that point they won't give a !@#$ about the fact that you were so generous and liberal...in fact, the poor remember that the point of life is to acquire resources and survive, so they'll stomp on you once given a shot at your weak character.

Socialist countries don't bring the poor up to the level of the rich. They bring the rich WAAAAY down to a similar level as the poor, such that there's no opportunity to be successful anymore.

But go on being a communist and feeling "generous." After the people you want to support use your income taxes to buy rims, sue you while you're trying to heal them, and then mug you as you're leaving the building....then you might regain a bit of natural instincts and remember what natural selection dictates life should be about.

Well said. You've encapsulated why I'm voting McCain, even though Sarah Palin is dumber than a box of rocks.

 

[meister]

I can't wait to have a practice one day so I can stop hiring staff and taking on new patients once my income reaches $249,999. Why work harder and miss my kids soccer games and such so I can pay the government more then 50% of my income

You don't know what you're talking about. You do realize that the first $250k of your income is taxed the same as it is now? You do realize that all the income over that is taxed 3% higher? But if you want to restrict yourself based on hearsay and utter nonsense go right ahead, I'll be sure to take all the patients you don't want to see.

Thank God we have someone like Obama who will fix our health care system.

Yeah let's let the GOP fix it! Because they did such a great job under Reagan, Bush 1, and Bush 2! Oh wait they're the entire reason our healthcare system is so ****ed up in the first place.

Lets make healthcare free so demand goes through the roof.

Because that's what everyone's talking about. We're all talking about "free" healthcare.

Lets punish people by taking their income if they make too much money like those greedy rich doctors over there. I'm sure that will make our embarrassing infant mortality rates fall in line with Europe and Cuba so we can all sleep better at night.

Because the solution to lowering our birth rate and bettering other embarassing statistics is to do the opposite of what all other first world nations do? You're an idiot.

They both suck, but i'll go for mccain. I'm not sold on one party controlling two branches of gov, and mccain's healthcare plan intrigues me a little more.

Intrigues you because it puts all of the burden on individuals rather than employers? Intrigues you because the $2500 individual tax credit only works if you have no risk at all? Intrigues you because it would further force the poor, disabled and elderly to rely on government programs to provide their healthcare? Sounds great!

Redistribution of wealth is an incredibly socialistic (even Communistic) principle.

Wow, nice way to start a post. I'm hoping this is a troll because I didn't think anyone was honestly this ******ed on this forum. If you think putting the tax rates back to where they were under Reagan and Clinton is "communistic," you need to head to the library to find out what communism actually is.

If this truly happens, and it will if Obama were to win the election, things will change drastically here. Our country was built on freedom and hard work. These qualities seem to be gone today. No one is saying that helping others out is wrong at all. But it is NOT greedy to make 250,000 in a year and then be upset because the government took half your paycheck. NO government deserves half of a person's paycheck. I know everyone on here (well, most people) are saying we should just be glad to be helping others and not worry about pay. However, I think minds will change when 8 years from now people start finishing residency with 150,000-250,000 in debt and see salaries drop significantly. 100,000 per year is a great salary, but not if you have a quarter million dollars in debt. Also, by then, the government will take half your salary and give it to to a cab driver, so that docs make 100 grand with a ton of debt while cab drivers can make 50 grand with no education or debt at all.

This is all baseless conjecture based on George W. Bush's patented "gut-think." Perhaps you should do actual research rather than simply hearing "OBAMA == COMMUNIST" on Fox News/Hannity/Limbaugh or whatever other ******ed propagandists by whom you are clearly indoctrinated and come to your own conclusions.

When there is no incentive for people to work hard, people don't work hard, in any career. This will also hurt our healthcare system, as fewer top students pursue medical careers, and the docs already working become more disillusioned with a system that does not offer incentives for hard work or excellence.

Slippery slope fallacy ahoy!

Would you be excited about that? I wouldn't, and the whole redistribution of wealth works on exactly the same principle.

You're right, I build bridges and fund the military by medical school GPAs! The situations are analogous!

Obama and McCain are basically the same. Neither one will improve America. I'm voting third party. I hope more Americans will wake up and realize that both parties are basically the same and that they both are screwing this country.

Sounds about right. But in this election I would rather die than let an idiot like Sarah Palin run the executive. James Madison is spinning in his grave as we speak.

Ah, reminds me of my own class. Always nice to see med students so brainwashed by liberal idealism that they're voting against their own future earning potential.

It's nice to see medical students play doctor 10 years in advance with no idea about what their actual situation will be then. You do realize that just because someone votes for a guy who may raise income taxes above $250k a meagre 3% doesn't mean I'm voting against my own self-interest?

McCain is a spoiled brat who has sleazed his way this close to the White House. Palin exemplifies everything that is wrong with McCain that it hurts my head. And anyone that reconciles voting for McCain despite Sarah Palin solely because they'd rather have that extra 3% of their income after $250k is a ****ing ***** who would rip off his own nose to spite his face.

It isn't the 250k+ thing that will hurt our salaries significantly (and we will, once he's elected, find out that it sure as hell isn't just the 250k+ guys getting the raise on taxes), but rather it's the complete socialization of health care that will screw us.

Screw us just like it screwed Europe right?

I read these sad, liberal views on here and realize the situation in this country is far worse than I thought. You're brainwashed, dude.

Yes, he is the brainwashed one. But I bet I can figure out which programs and propagandists you listen to! But he's the brainwashed one.

There are only so many resources, and not enough to give everybody what you have.

Because that's what we're saying. We're saying we want everyone to make the same amount of money and live in rainbow-land. You are constructing a giant straw-man.

Socialist countries don't bring the poor up to the level of the rich. They bring the rich WAAAAY down to a similar level as the poor, such that there's no opportunity to be successful anymore.

Again, because that is what is happening in Europe right?

But go on being a communist and feeling "generous."

Right here is where it became clear that you're either a troll or a toothless *****.

After the people you want to support use your income taxes to buy rims, sue you while you're trying to heal them, and then mug you as you're leaving the building....then you might regain a bit of natural instincts and remember what natural selection dictates life should be about.

And right here is where it became clear that you're just a racist *******.

Let me summarize the mindset of McCain supporters: "**** you, I got mine." Nice.

You're all just puppets for the mega-rich.

 

[Mr Cookie Pants]

I'm not voting for a socialist who will "spread the weath around".

 

[PreMD86]

McCain. The financial security of my own family trumps all.

Ugh...this is exactly the selfish and provincial attitude that makes the rest of the world hate Americans. Ironically, it's also the attitude that led to the economic crisis in the first place. Karma's a biatch.

 

[meister]

I'm not voting for a socialist who will "spread the weath around".

Ok, I hope you enjoy that extra 3% of your income above $250k that you get to keep. Meanwhile let's all hope to god McCain doesn't keel over in 4 years (which is pretty likely) and allow Palin to become president. And also let's hope that McCain gives a **** about students enough to help us with student loans.

I'm sure McCain's really looking out for your interests.

PS Stop watching Fox News.

 

[Blesbok]

Ok, I hope you enjoy that extra 3% of your income above $250k that you get to keep. Meanwhile let's all hope to god McCain doesn't keel over in 4 years (which is pretty likely) and allow Palin to become president. And also let's hope that McCain gives a **** about students enough to help us with student loans.

I'm sure McCain's really looking out for your interests.

PS Stop watching Fox News.

It is appalling to think that even a medical student is so stupid to believe the hype about mccain's health. Did they forget the chapter on superficial melanomas at your school?

This has nothing to do with political party beliefs, but I just can't believe that someone that knows anything about medicine is actually falling for that idiocy.