What are the different board certifications for podiatrists?

[mednoob]

I know that after you complete a 2 or 3 year residency, you have to become board certified. I know there's board certifications in Foot Surgery and RRA surgery. Are there any other board certifications out there besides those two? Suppose a podiatrist wants to take a more medical approach to treating his/her patients as opposed to a surgical approach? Are there board certifications in Podiatric medicine or something similar?

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[DPMstudent]

Suppose a podiatrist wants to take a more medical approach to treating his/her patients as opposed to a surgical approach? Are there board certifications in Podiatric medicine or something similar?

i cant definitively give you an answer, however i can tell you that surgery is usually a last resort. the "more medical approach" is what pods do in daily practice at their offices

 

[DPMstudent]

on that note, i would like to encourage you to shadow a podiatrist. most are more than willing to help. also, bring questions like the ones you just asked. i think whoever you shadow would be happy to spend time with a person displaying a true interest in the field.

 

[Feli]

ABPS is the surgical... FF and RF like you mentioned.

ABPOPPM is the medical board. All non-surg pods should do this one. Some surgical pods will do this, some won't. It's pretty easy relative to ABPS.

There are other pod and multispecialty certifications out there such as chronic wound care, sports med, etc etc etc. They are mostly for subspecialists.

In this day in age, I would really question a DPM who is not ABPS certified (and most hospitals will when he/she applies for staff). At the bare minimum, all DPMs should pass ABPOPPM, but those ones should probably only be doing derm and minor wound care (no surgery... refer that to other pods or appropriate specialists).

 

[diabeticfootdr]

ABPS is the surgical... FF and RF like you mentioned.

ABPOPPM is the medical board. All non-surg pods should do this one. Some surgical pods will do this, some won't. It's pretty easy relative to ABPS.

There are other pod and multispecialty certifications out there such as chronic wound care, sports med, etc etc etc. They are mostly for subspecialists.

In this day in age, I would really question a DPM who is not ABPS certified (and most hospitals will when he/she applies for staff). At the bare minimum, all DPMs should pass ABPOPPM, but those ones should probably only be doing derm and minor wound care (no surgery... refer that to other pods or appropriate specialists).

I would completely disagree with this. ABPOPPM is considered the medicine board, yes, but it is not easier than ABPS. I took both written exams. Also, ACFAOM (the professional organization for ABPOPPM) is researching opportunities for expanded mission, to include surgery - since APMA removed ACFAS as the surgical education arm.

I went to the recent ACFAOM meeting in Orlando and was impressed. Potentially, ACFAOM could be the educational arm for the APMA on all things medical and surgical.

Also, ABPS has some ridiculous requirements on board eligibility (instead they use a term "board qualified" which is not a recognized medical term). ABPOPPM allows one to become board certified right out of residency, like most other medical specialties.

Board qualified: adj
An unrecognized term used variously and inaccurately to identify any of the stages from educational qualification to certification.
http://www.answers.com/topic/board-qualified-1

 

[Feli]

...ACFAOM (the professional organization for ABPOPPM) is researching opportunities for expanded mission, to include surgery - since APMA removed ACFAS as the surgical education arm.

I went to the recent ACFAOM meeting in Orlando and was impressed. Potentially, ACFAOM could be the educational arm for the APMA on all things medical and surgical...

I'm certainly not going to argue since you are at a much more advanced state in training than I am. I also know you are a big APMA guy, and I have a ton of respect for the efforts of both APMA and ACFAS. It really is a shame what happened between them, and hopefully they will bury the hatchet at some point. In the mean time, I will pay dues for both as a resident in the coming years, and I'll continue to read the good articles in both journals.

I don't really have any experience with ACFAOM. I'm sure they do great things, but their journal isn't even recognized by PubMed right now, is it? It's great if APMA is considering them as a possible surgical affiliate, but I just couldn't see another journal of JFAS quality or meetings anywhere near the level of ACFAS ones popping up overnight. Sorry.

 

[diabeticfootdr]

I also know you are a big APMA guy, and I have a ton of respect for the efforts of both APMA and ACFAS. It really is a shame what happened between them, and hopefully they will bury the hatchet at some point.

It's not so much that I'm a big APMA guy, of course I support the APMA. It's more so that I support unification in the profession, not divisiveness. ACFAS, which fails to use the word "podiatry" in their advertising doesn't do much to promote unity.

Furthermore, as if it's not good enough that many in ACFAS promote the mentality of "I'm a surgeon, you're not a surgeon", they have to even fractionate their own membership, "I'm a rearfoot reconstructive ankle surgeon, you're a forefoot surgeon." It's the elitist attitudes that do nothing to advance podiatry or the medicine we practice.

I am BC in ABPOPPM currently and BQ in ABPS. IMO there should be 1 board and 1 educational organization. It's such a small piece of anatomy, do we really need all this division? We're all podiatrists first (as our degree is D.P.M.). APMA is the profession's biggest advocate. ACFAS only advocates for itself and criticizes other DPMs that are not part of the "good old boys group".

I agree with your statements of the journals. The Foot is ACFAOMs journal, but it's really a British orthopaedic journal. It is not indexed by Medline and not the type of quality journal that I would personally want to submit my papers for publication. JFAS is indexed, and Dr. Malay has been doing a great job increasing it's value in the profession and between professions. I read every issue, have papers published in it, and I'm a peer reviewer for them.

LCR

 

[prettypod]

American board of lower extremity surgery
American board of multispecialties in podiatry
American board of podiatric medicine
American board of podiatric surgery
wound care certified (wcs)
certified wound specialist (cws)

many ways to achieve certification status in podiatry, any others people are aware of would be appreciated!

 

[prettypod]

I was looking at the abmsp website it appears podiatrists can get four certifications from their organization:
primary care certification
diabetic foot wound certification
surgery certification
limb salvage certification

so again lots of way to attain board certified status pending your interests!

 

[PADPM]

There are NO boards of the ABMSP that are recognized by the APMA. I personally don't believe in the credibility of these boards. We are a small profession, and don't need several sets of boards.

In MY opinion, the only legitimate boards are the ABPS and ABOPM (or whatever it was renamed). They can be found on the APMA website. Surgical residencies are based on the ABPS, not the ABSMP.

And please don't bother arguing this point with me. It is MY opinion and I assure you it will not change. It's only based on over 25 years experience.

 

[Ankle Breaker]

American board of lower extremity surgery
American board of multispecialties in podiatry
American board of podiatric medicine
American board of podiatric surgery
wound care certified (wcs)
certified wound specialist (cws)

many ways to achieve certification status in podiatry, any others people are aware of would be appreciated!

Can podiatrists actually get surgical/ hospital privileges with certifications other than ABPS? If not then what was the point of creating them in the first place? How did our profession get to the point where we need alternative ways to get "certified"? I'm still learning about the history of this profession...

 

[prettypod]

I think you have to check with the hospital, there is no clear cut rule from one hospital to another regarding hospital privileges. Another point of interest is that there are many different certifications for the other medical specialties as well not just one. The fact remains that there are many different ways to attain board certification status as a podiatrist, research them all and I'm sure you will come up with a path that will be well tailored to your practice and interests, set you apart from your peers that have not attained any certifications, and make your patients more comfortable with someone who has gone above and beyond to get certified! Listen to other people's opinions but do your own research and come up with your own opinion. I have listed some of the possible board certifications, I'd like to add that I think you can become hyperbaric certified as well, if I think of any more I'll add them!

 

[PADPM]

Can podiatrists actually get surgical/ hospital privileges with certifications other than ABPS? If not then what was the point of creating them in the first place? How did our profession get to the point where we need alternative ways to get "certified"? I'm still learning about the history of this profession...

I am or have been on staff at over a dozen hospitals and several surgical centers. Not one of them recognized ANY podiatric surgical board other than the ABPS.

Other "surgical" boards popped up as a result of the strict qualifications to obtain ABPS certification and to actually pass the exams. The creators of these boards always whined about the big, bad ABPS and that there was a conspiracy to be overly selective. I don't personally know ANY doctor who passed the ABPS exam and then decided to get certified by one of these other non APMA recognized boards.

However, I know of well over a dozen docs who could not pass the ABPS exam and after several tries, finally took the exam for one of these other boards and passed with flying colors.

I was an examiner for the oral portion of the ABPS exam for many years. I can tell you the exam was fair, and qualified candidates passed the exam. Period.

Board certification is not obtainable for all docs. Similarly, not all accountants can pass the CPA exam. That doesn't mean that you seek a "new" board until you can find one you pass.

This "newer" board is smart, because they cater to egos, not quality. Now they have all these sub boards such as diabetic care, etc. But what does that REALLY mean? I can start a board tomorrow and make sure that you are now "board certified" but it would have no credibility.

Look at the leaders of our profession (not practice management gurus) who are at the cutting edge of research, publications, teaching, surgical procedures, etc., and you will discover they are ABPS certified.

So simply having the term "board certified" after your name is pointless and misleading to the unsuspecting public, if the board has no real credibility. And that's a fact.

 

[diabeticfootdr]

Can podiatrists actually get surgical/ hospital privileges with certifications other than ABPS? If not then what was the point of creating them in the first place? How did our profession get to the point where we need alternative ways to get "certified"? I'm still learning about the history of this profession...

Just to provide a different perspective than PADPM's experience, no hospital I have been on staff requires ABPS. I am ABPM and I have full, unrestricted surgical privileges for the scope of podiatry because they care mostly that 1. you are BQ or BC by a board recognized by CPME and the government (ABPM or ABPS), and 2. you show cases (or are willing to) that verify your experience for requested privileges.

 

[PADPM]

Just to provide a different perspective than PADPM's experience, no hospital I have been on staff requires ABPS. I am ABPM and I have full, unrestricted surgical privileges for the scope of podiatry because they care mostly that 1. you are BQ or BC by a board recognized by CPME and the government (ABPM or ABPS), and 2. you show cases (or are willing to) that verify your experience for requested privileges.

Obviously our experiences differ. No hospital where I have or have had privileges recognizes any board other than the ABPS or the orthopedic/primary podiatric medicine board (I apologize, I never get the initials correct). Docs who are not ABPS qualified or certified will have a hard time in these facilities obtaining surgical privileges and/or have restricted privileges.

I have NO doubt that Dr. Rogers would have NO difficulty passing the ABPS exam. I may be incorrect, but if my memory is correct, Dr. Rogers had philosophical differences with the ABPS and that's why he didn't pursue certification with the ABPS, not due to inability to pass the exam. If I'm wrong, I apologize.

As I've stated too many times, I was an examiner for the oral portion of the ABPS cert exam for many years. I also had philosophical differences with them and subsequently discontinued as an examiner.

Many have described the ABPS as a good ole boys club, and I've been guilty of the same. But I believe that is changing for the better. I have always had a hard time accepting that today's better trained pods have to take a REAL re-cert exam every ten years (to assure quality to the public), but those who created the rules only have to take a self assessment exam. Since most of those docs had training quite some time ago (including me), it would seem intuitive that THEY should be the docs under scrutiny to REALLY "protect the public".

I had this conversation a few times with Podfather who used to be an extremely valuable contributor to this site, and whom I respect immensely. He had excellent points regarding grandfathering and the impracticality of going back amd changing rules. etc.

I fully understand and respect his view, though we will agree to disagree. In my opinion, you need one set of rules to truly assure competency (at least competency to pass an exam) and to allow institutions to actually understand the ABPS, without the confusion of different requirements.

However, though I have had philosophical differences with the ABPS, I continue to pay my dues and maintain my certification, because I honestly believe it is the gold standard in podiatric surgery, and it's members are responsible for the most research and advances. Once again, that's my opinion and there will always be exceptions such as Dr. Rogers who is well published. But I'm talking about the rule, not the exception.

And of course you must consider WHY these other boards were really created in the first place. Why re-create the wheel. If you want changes, pass the exam and make changes from within for the benefit of all. Starting new boards serves no real purpose other than financial and to further splinter an already small profession.

By the way, I did some of my training in Pennsylvania. Apparently the board of medical/podiatry examiners in Pennsylvainia felt so strongly about these boards and possible misleading of the public, they created a rule. If a doctor advertised he was board certified by one of these newer boards, they had to have a disclaimer in the ad stating that the board was not recognized by the APMA! Not sure if this rule still exists in Pennsylvania, but I know it did for many years, and probably still does.

I personally know of zero podiatric surgical residencies that are overseen by any surgical board other than the ABPS. If there are I stand corrected.

 

[newfeet]

Dr. Rogers is board certified by orthopedics/ primary podiatric medicine board (ABPOPPM) is which is now the American Board of Podiatric Medicine (ABPM).

 

[PADPM]

Dr. Rogers is board certified by orthopedics/ primary podiatric medicine board (ABPOPPM) is which is now the American Board of Podiatric Medicine (ABPM).

I know. However, I was discussing the ABPS vs the "other" boards not recognized by the APMA. The ABPM IS a board recognized by the APMA.

 

[diabeticfootdr]

Hi from DC for the Inauguration. Yes, I was BQ by ABPS, and you are correct. I resigned due to philosophical differences. What was the difference? They changed the rules for BC after many were BQ without consulting the community of interest.

I am BC by ABPM, the other APMA recognized board. I've experienced no negative repercussions. Every hospital I've been affiliated with requires board certification "in your specialty". I have full scope surgical privileges.

The ABPM does test on surgical principles, but remember, we're DPMs not DPSs. So I'm happy with my choice. Others will make theirs.

 

[prettypod]

The fact remains that there are many different board certifications for podiatrists, as there are for non podiatry doctors. Whether one is better than the other obviously belongs in the S: part of the soap note depending on whom you talk to. The fact is that there are many different ways to obtain board certification in the field of podiatry, which would go in the O: part of the note. If anyone is aware of any others not previously listed please share!

 

[PADPM]

The fact remains that there are many different board certifications for podiatrists, as there are for non podiatry doctors. Whether one is better than the other obviously belongs in the S: part of the soap note depending on whom you talk to. The fact is that there are many different ways to obtain board certification in the field of podiatry, which would go in the O: part of the note. If anyone is aware of any others not previously listed please share!

I couldn't disagree more. Yes, in allopathic medicine there are a variety of boards, but the only "recognized" boards are those under the umbrella of the American Board of Medical Specialties, (this has NOTHING to do with the American Board of Medical Specialties in Podiatric Medicine or whatever its called) which is recognized by the AMA. For example, there is the American Board of Plastic Surgery, which is recognized by the ABMS and the AMA. There are lots of other plastic surgery boards that are basically bogus, not recognized and which don't have the same rigorous requirements.

There are ONLY two certifying boards recognized by the APMA. The ABPS and ABPM.

The question must be asked WHY these other boards pop up. Is it because people can't meet the requirements of the recognized boards? Is it because they can't pass the tests?

It simply doesn't make sense to start a new board to make board certification easier. All credibility is tossed out the window with the philosophy "this board has tough requirements so I will start a NEW board so I can get "board certified".

Dr. Rogers/diabeticfootdr IS certified by an APMA recognized board, the ABPM. And as per my thoughts and his confirmation, he did not get board certified by the ABPS due to philosophical reasons, not due to inability.

Once again, the ABPS oversees residency programs and from my review there is only one residency program in the country where the director was not board certified by the ABPS (St. Joseph Hospital in Philadelphia).

Once again, in our small profession, there was/is no need for the creation of any boards other than the ABPS and ABPM. The only reason these boards were created was to satisfy those who couldn't cut the ABPS or ABPM requirements. And of course I'm sure the creators of these other boards had NO financial motivation.

So if you believe those "other" boards are legitimate and are on par with the ABPS or ABPM, you're either naive, misinformed or fooling yourself. It's also misleading to the public.

 

[diabeticfootdr]

Once again, in our small profession, there was/is no need for the creation of any boards other than the ABPS and ABPM.

I agree with having a single board for podiatry. The problem is, none of the boards agree with it, APMA-approved or otherwise. It would involve people coming together and dismissing prejudice and discussing how to move the profession forward as a unit, not divide it further, as is frequently done.

 

[prettypod]

This thread is titled What are the different board certification for podiatrists. The fact remains there are multiple options as listed above for board certification as a podiatrist. This was not supposed to be an argument of which one is the best, obviously that is subjective, research them all and come up with your own game plan!

 

[prettypod]

from the Feb 1, 2013 PMNews issue:

" ABMSP Achieves URAC Accredidation

The American Board of Multiple Specialties in Podiatry (ABMSP) has achieved full accreditation as a Credentials Verification Organization (CVO) by URAC (originally “Utilization Review Accreditation Commission”, but shortened to URAC in 1996). URAC accredits many types of healthcare organizations including hospitals, health plans, HMOs, PPOs, TPAs, and provider groups. The ABMSP is the first certification organization to be accredited by URAC..

The accreditation required ABMSP to meet URAC’s 40 core standards and 14 organizational requirements plus passing an onsite audit of its headquarters office by two URAC assessors. The American Board of Multiple Specialties in Podiatry has operated for over 26 years, providing certification for podiatrists in its four specialty examinations: Primary Care in Podiatric Medicine; Podiatric Surgery; Diabetic Foot Wounds; and Limb Preservation and Salvage."

again, a lot of options for board certification as a podiatrist and apparently like all fields of medicine they are continually changing

 

[PADPM]

from the Feb 1, 2013 PMNews issue:

" ABMSP Achieves URAC Accredidation

The American Board of Multiple Specialties in Podiatry (ABMSP) has achieved full accreditation as a Credentials Verification Organization (CVO) by URAC (originally “Utilization Review Accreditation Commission”, but shortened to URAC in 1996). URAC accredits many types of healthcare organizations including hospitals, health plans, HMOs, PPOs, TPAs, and provider groups. The ABMSP is the first certification organization to be accredited by URAC..

The accreditation required ABMSP to meet URAC’s 40 core standards and 14 organizational requirements plus passing an onsite audit of its headquarters office by two URAC assessors. The American Board of Multiple Specialties in Podiatry has operated for over 26 years, providing certification for podiatrists in its four specialty examinations: Primary Care in Podiatric Medicine; Podiatric Surgery; Diabetic Foot Wounds; and Limb Preservation and Salvage."

again, a lot of options for board certification as a podiatrist and apparently like all fields of medicine they are continually changing

And just exactly WHAT does that accreditation mean?? Nothing, I assure you, nothing. It simply means that they submitted information requested AND paid a fee. It's simply an attempt to validate their board since it has no validation with the APMA.

I've been in this profession a long time, and speak from experience. I can name 9 doctors right off the top of my head who failed the ABPS exam three times (it is a fair exam, I was an examiner), but each one passed this other board's exam with flying colors. As a matter of fact, I personally don't know anyone who ever failed their exam.

And this new accreditation they received by this organization. Who knows if this organization is legit. I can create my own accreditation board and take your money and provide you with my stamp of approval. What other REAL medical boards are approved by this organization???

The ABPS and ABPM don't jump through these hoops or attempt to get all these bogus accreditations because they don't have to!!!!!!! They have the recognition of the APMA, the professional association that represents our profession.

Once again with the exception of one low quality residency program in Philadelphia, all other residency programs are run by ABPS ceritfed directors. These programs are overseen by the ABPS, etc., etc.

Hey, I can get a diploma making me a minister on line, but that doesn't REALLY have any credibility. That's the same way I feel about this "certifying" board. Want some extra initials after your name and want to call yourself "board certified"? Then fail the ABPS or ABPM exam, THEN take this other exam and pass easily.

It's a joke. Pure and simple.

FYI. I've been involved with training residents at top notch programs for many years, and not ONE of these quality residents ever took any exam other than the ABPS or ABPM. They were high quality, so didn't need to........

 

[Feli]

And just exactly WHAT does that accreditation mean?? Nothing, I assure you, nothing. It simply means that they submitted information requested AND paid a fee. It's simply an attempt to validate their board since it has no validation with the APMA.

I've been in this profession a long time, and speak from experience. I can name 9 doctors right off the top of my head who failed the ABPS exam three times (it is a fair exam, I was an examiner), but each one passed this other board's exam with flying colors. As a matter of fact, I personally don't know anyone who ever failed their exam.

And this new accreditation they received by this organization. Who knows if this organization is legit. I can create my own accreditation board and take your money and provide you with my stamp of approval. What other REAL medical boards are approved by this organization???

The ABPS and ABPM don't jump through these hoops or attempt to get all these bogus accreditations because they don't have to!!!!!!! They have the recognition of the APMA, the professional association that represents our profession.

Once again with the exception of one low quality residency program in Philadelphia, all other residency programs are run by ABPS ceritfed directors. These programs are overseen by the ABPS, etc., etc.

Hey, I can get a diploma making me a minister on line, but that doesn't REALLY have any credibility. That's the same way I feel about this "certifying" board. Want some extra initials after your name and want to call yourself "board certified"? Then fail the ABPS or ABPM exam, THEN take this other exam and pass easily.

It's a joke. Pure and simple.

FYI. I've been involved with training residents at top notch programs for many years, and not ONE of these quality residents ever took any exam other than the ABPS or ABPM. They were high quality, so didn't need to........

ding ding ding

 

[jivecrudley]

I know that after you complete a 2 or 3 year residency, you have to become board certified. I know there's board certifications in Foot Surgery and RRA surgery. Are there any other board certifications out there besides those two? Suppose a podiatrist wants to take a more medical approach to treating his/her patients as opposed to a surgical approach? Are there board certifications in Podiatric medicine or something similar?

They are all the same in that none are recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties, ABMS. Podiatry is not classified as a medical specialty, they are classified as podiatry service providers. Look up the classification attached yo your NPI number, that is the I D number all payers use to make payments.

All the same, DPM is not recognized as a physician by the people who pay.

Facts. You can call me a troll but know the facts, not the hype.

 

[PADPM]

They are all the same in that none are recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties, ABMS. Podiatry is not classified as a medical specialty, they are classified as podiatry service providers. Look up the classification attached yo your NPI number, that is the I D number all payers use to make payments.

All the same, DPM is not recognized as a physician by the people who pay.

Facts. You can call me a troll but know the facts, not the hype.

Osteopathic board certifications are also not recognized by the ABMS. The ABMS boards are only applicable for those (MD/DO) who performed a recognized AMA residency. If a residency is performed at an osteopathic hospital, there are osteopathic certifying boards.

The term physician is applicable to DPMs with some insurance companies amd not with others. And that is a fact since I sit on an insurance company advisory board.

Now go have some fun on the optometry forums reminding them all that they aren't "real" doctors. That should make you feel more powerful.

 

[jivecrudley]

Osteopathic board certifications are also not recognized by the ABMS. The ABMS boards are only applicable for those (MD/DO) who performed a recognized AMA residency. If a residency is performed at an osteopathic hospital, there are osteopathic certifying boards.

The term physician is applicable to DPMs with some insurance companies amd not with others. And that is a fact since I sit on an insurance company advisory board.

Now go have some fun on the optometry forums reminding them all that they aren't "real" doctors. That should make you feel more powerful.

Hey, I just put out the facts. The term "physician" has no bearing when it comes down to making bank. You can call yourself whatever you want, when it comes to getting paid for it, a DPM is a DPM is DPM. DOs are full body physicians. They DO ave their own boards, and they all deal with different specialties. I don't need to feel powerful, and don't give a rat's a@@ about optometrists. What's with you podiatry beginners? Real life and your snappy responses are not going to change the way it is.

Look up the NPI registry instead of trying to play personal games with me. You want to make any dough in this field? If so pay attention to the facts-they're right there National Provider Resigstry. that's what number you're assigned and it doesn't matter what board you're certified by. You're a PODIATRIC SERVICE PROVIDER, get it? It's NATIONAL.

What kind of jerkweed response it, go to the optometry site?

Go have some fun playing in the financial aide office and listening to how you'll be that big time foot and ankle surge. Sure. Big dollars for seven years.

What's with you guys? You teach each other, stroke each other's comments, pat each other on the back, but none of you look up the FACTS.

What are you afraid of? What? Are you that scared to look up the facts?

I'm not posting here to hassle you, I'm taking the time to make you aware of the way things are so you can change things. So the big man has to mock me.

If that's your attitude, screw ya. You deserve what you'll get.

Look, PADPM, you seem to be the designated leader here. If you want to have an adult conversation about which way this profession is going, fine. I'll have a dialogue. If you prefer to take the low road, and disregard the suggestions to take the profession forward, great.

I have seen how many of the posts that point out what's going on in practice get trashed I'm hesitant. But lately, especially after the Obamacare passed, there are a lot of guys (and gals) that are going to get short changed. Podiatry remains stubborn in its arguing among itself, disregarding any suggestions.

Haven't you noticed how many of the "adults" have quit posting here?

I think we all just want to make a living. This isn't about "real doctors" or not, it's about money. Real money. Making it or complaining about why you aren't in five years.

 

[jellybean2020]

Who exactly are you? An MD/DO attending? A disgruntled DPM? A student?

Very suspicious of you to come in here with only 4 posts and start hurling insults about us "podiatry beginners"

 

[Ferocity]

Hey, I just put out the facts. The term "physician" has no bearing when it comes down to making bank. You can call yourself whatever you want, when it comes to getting paid for it, a DPM is a DPM is DPM. DOs are full body physicians. They DO ave their own boards, and they all deal with different specialties. I don't need to feel powerful, and don't give a rat's a@@ about optometrists. What's with you podiatry beginners? Real life and your snappy responses are not going to change the way it is.

Look up the NPI registry instead of trying to play personal games with me. You want to make any dough in this field? If so pay attention to the facts-they're right there National Provider Resigstry. that's what number you're assigned and it doesn't matter what board you're certified by. You're a PODIATRIC SERVICE PROVIDER, get it? It's NATIONAL.

What kind of jerkweed response it, go to the optometry site?

Go have some fun playing in the financial aide office and listening to how you'll be that big time foot and ankle surge. Sure. Big dollars for seven years.

What's with you guys? You teach each other, stroke each other's comments, pat each other on the back, but none of you look up the FACTS.

What are you afraid of? What? Are you that scared to look up the facts?

I'm not posting here to hassle you, I'm taking the time to make you aware of the way things are so you can change things. So the big man has to mock me.

If that's your attitude, screw ya. You deserve what you'll get.

Look, PADPM, you seem to be the designated leader here. If you want to have an adult conversation about which way this profession is going, fine. I'll have a dialogue. If you prefer to take the low road, and disregard the suggestions to take the profession forward, great.

I have seen how many of the posts that point out what's going on in practice get trashed I'm hesitant. But lately, especially after the Obamacare passed, there are a lot of guys (and gals) that are going to get short changed. Podiatry remains stubborn in its arguing among itself, disregarding any suggestions.

Haven't you noticed how many of the "adults" have quit posting here?

I think we all just want to make a living. This isn't about "real doctors" or not, it's about money. Real money. Making it or complaining about why you aren't in five years.

 

[jivecrudley]

Who exactly are you? An MD/DO attending? A disgruntled DPM? A student?

Very suspicious of you to come in here with only 4 posts and start hurling insults about us "podiatry beginners"

Hey very suspicious, suspect this: Making money. How tough is that to get? Four posts, so what? I read a whole lot of posts solely to cast aspersions, ask who's who, why, how come, and no legit questions about how to make any money in podiatry.

What am I? I am a person trying to make some money who sees the way things are, not some idealistic whitewash about how you REALLY make the kind of bank the posts here suggest. I don't see it. I see a lot of surveys ALL within the profession by members of the "clubs" not people who have genuine experience.

What the hell does disgruntlement have to do with paying bills?

And to the clown with the big picture of who knows what, or why? You're a real jerk.

Is this a thread about real life making bank or pollyanna no-nonsense.
I'm in it for the money. Get it?
I don't care what they, like the foot clubs say, the fact is that making a buck in podiatry is NOT what your posts claim it to be.
There is no "big dollars" in hospital surgery. You make your money in the office, you learn your procedure codes, office procedures, and how to market yourselves so you get patients in the door.

There are NOT a whole lot of companies that "HIRE" podiatrists.

Spare me the one or two examples of someone who knows someone, or one or two podiatrists who "got lucky" and got a job. I have not seen any follow up.

Whey you are mature enough to have a dialogue about making a living under the new system, which I thought this thread was about, great. But wasting time bickering about who's who, background crap, and poking fun, mocking, calling names, and all that just shows me that you are more interested in complaining and being disgruntled later. This is a business, if you aren't ready to handle it like one. I'll join the rest of the people who left this area, and write you podiatrists of the future as know-it-alls who can not stay on message. The message is money, how do you think you make it, and what's really out here.

Enough. Do me a favor and ban me I don't want to waste my time.
Have fun in the real world trying to make bank with that crap.

 

[jivecrudley]

Mr. GRRRR, You really are a jerk and will probably get what you deserve.

 

[ldsrmdude]

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[Ferocity]

Hey very suspicious, suspect this: Making money. How tough is that to get? Four posts, so what? I read a whole lot of posts solely to cast aspersions, ask who's who, why, how come, and no legit questions about how to make any money in podiatry.

What am I? I am a person trying to make some money who sees the way things are, not some idealistic whitewash about how you REALLY make the kind of bank the posts here suggest. I don't see it. I see a lot of surveys ALL within the profession by members of the "clubs" not people who have genuine experience.

What the hell does disgruntlement have to do with paying bills?

And to the clown with the big picture of who knows what, or why? You're a real jerk.

Is this a thread about real life making bank or pollyanna no-nonsense.
I'm in it for the money. Get it?
I don't care what they, like the foot clubs say, the fact is that making a buck in podiatry is NOT what your posts claim it to be.
There is no "big dollars" in hospital surgery. You make your money in the office, you learn your procedure codes, office procedures, and how to market yourselves so you get patients in the door.

There are NOT a whole lot of companies that "HIRE" podiatrists.

Spare me the one or two examples of someone who knows someone, or one or two podiatrists who "got lucky" and got a job. I have not seen any follow up.

Whey you are mature enough to have a dialogue about making a living under the new system, which I thought this thread was about, great. But wasting time bickering about who's who, background crap, and poking fun, mocking, calling names, and all that just shows me that you are more interested in complaining and being disgruntled later. This is a business, if you aren't ready to handle it like one. I'll join the rest of the people who left this area, and write you podiatrists of the future as know-it-alls who can not stay on message. The message is money, how do you think you make it, and what's really out here.

Enough. Do me a favor and ban me I don't want to waste my time.
Have fun in the real world trying to make bank with that crap.

My goodness, look at all those words!

 

[ManUnderFire]

Hey, I just put out the facts. The term "physician" has no bearing when it comes down to making bank. You can call yourself whatever you want, when it comes to getting paid for it, a DPM is a DPM is DPM. DOs are full body physicians. They DO ave their own boards, and they all deal with different specialties. I don't need to feel powerful, and don't give a rat's a@@ about optometrists. What's with you podiatry beginners? Real life and your snappy responses are not going to change the way it is.

Look up the NPI registry instead of trying to play personal games with me. You want to make any dough in this field? If so pay attention to the facts-they're right there National Provider Resigstry. that's what number you're assigned and it doesn't matter what board you're certified by. You're a PODIATRIC SERVICE PROVIDER, get it? It's NATIONAL.

What kind of jerkweed response it, go to the optometry site?

Go have some fun playing in the financial aide office and listening to how you'll be that big time foot and ankle surge. Sure. Big dollars for seven years.

What's with you guys? You teach each other, stroke each other's comments, pat each other on the back, but none of you look up the FACTS.

What are you afraid of? What? Are you that scared to look up the facts?

I'm not posting here to hassle you, I'm taking the time to make you aware of the way things are so you can change things. So the big man has to mock me.

If that's your attitude, screw ya. You deserve what you'll get.

Look, PADPM, you seem to be the designated leader here. If you want to have an adult conversation about which way this profession is going, fine. I'll have a dialogue. If you prefer to take the low road, and disregard the suggestions to take the profession forward, great.

I have seen how many of the posts that point out what's going on in practice get trashed I'm hesitant. But lately, especially after the Obamacare passed, there are a lot of guys (and gals) that are going to get short changed. Podiatry remains stubborn in its arguing among itself, disregarding any suggestions.

Haven't you noticed how many of the "adults" have quit posting here?

I think we all just want to make a living. This isn't about "real doctors" or not, it's about money. Real money. Making it or complaining about why you aren't in five years.

It's too early in the game for me to know whether some of your arguments hold any truth but I've learned that everyone can make a point-even if the overall argument is false (which I'm not saying that yours is, btw). But, in considering any argument, we ALWAYS have to consider the source...so, I (like most viewers/posters) want to know...what is your background? DPM student? DPM? MD/DO student? MD/DO Practitioner?

 

[heybrother]

He's whatever he wants to be. He's had 20 different names with 20 identities. He's been a old podiatrist, a residency director, a fellow, a student, a prepod, an MD, always a liar and a deceiver. He's immediately identifiable by his writing style, his demeanor, his attitude, his tone, and his ignorance. Spend 20 minutes on his forum and you'll know all you need to know. We're a bunch of ignorant, stuck up, stupid fools who just won't listen to his wisdom. He lives on a forum where no discussion ever happens, no content is ever generated, posts are simply subject lines badmouthing podiatry with no body, and incoherent garbage is the order of the day. Then he wants to come over here and lecture. Spend 10 minutes over there and you'll realize why his posts should just be immediately ignored and reported. He has nothing anyone needs to hear.

 

[jivecrudley]

He's whatever he wants to be. He's had 20 different names with 20 identities.

I KNOW THIS BECAUSE IT IS ME

He's been a old podiatrist, a residency director, a fellow, a student, a prepod, an MD, always a liar and a deceiver.

IT IS THE DEVIL I SAY IT IS THE DEVIL
He's immediately identifiable by his writing style, his demeanor, his attitude, his tone, and his ignorance.

I AM A Jr Podiatric Forensica Analysit.

Spend 20 minutes on his forum and you'll know all you need to know.
ALL YOU WILL EVER NEED TO KNOW TO BE SMART LIKE ME

We're a bunch of ignorant, stuck up, TOTALLYstupid fools who just won't listen to his wisdom.I KNOW THIS A AS FACT SO YOU MUAT BELIEVE IT He lives on a forum EE ii EE ii oh-LIVES ON A FORUM....OH MY!where no discussion ever happens, no content is ever generated, posts are simply subject lines badmouthing podiatry with no body, and incoherent garbage LISTEN UP: INCO WHERE?is the order of the day. Then he wants to come over here and lecture. Spend 10 minutes over there and you'll realize why his posts should just be immediately YOU HAVE BEEN WARNEDignored and reported. He has nothing anyone needs to hear.

NOTHING I TELL YOU NOTHING Who cares about making any money in our careers, or what that NPI number means. Shhhhh
LISTEN TO ME, I KNOW THIS PERSON.I DO I DO I KNOW WHO IT IS SO YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO ME ME ME. I AM A SMART PERSON WHO KNOWS A LOT OF STUFF.

Baffling. What site is it that I am supposed to "live" at? I'd like to know, I have to pick up my mail? Jerkweed.

 

[jellybean2020]

Someone needs to get back on their meds

 

[ldsrmdude]

This thread has gone off track enough. Locking it up.