WebMD has a CME broadcast on ingrown nails.

[Cizzen]

The physician site is offering this activity and there is not one mention of podiatry. WebMD/Medscape also disrespects podiatry by not allowing DPMs to participate with other physicians. I thought your profession was evolving and emerging. Combined with the recent articles in major magazines it appears that your profession is taking a back seat to others, notably the DNPs who will soon fill the void by the doctor shortage.

It appears that you podiatrists are putting a lot of emphasis on diabetic wound care, but can not by scope treat the disease. Maybe of you should ask yourselves what direction the field is moving toward. The need by society as a whole for foot surgeons may not be as great as the people who collect your dues and tuition suggest.

I am a retired doc, and this topic has come up in the past. Before you go baiting me and my motivation, ask your leaders how recognizable the DPM degree is today compared to 30 40 years back. Too much waste, and failure to allocate manpower capable of addressing the medical needs of an aging population, not solely elective foot surgery, and so many of you seeking 'jobs' without the desire to work toward filling the void baffles me.

Try to refrain from pestering me about who I am, or why I am posting here today.

I have been following many threads and the morbid fascination with diabetes makes me queasy. Some of you write as if you will make a living off others ills. Deriding wounds has largely fallen into the realm of nursing. How long will insurers pay thousands of dollars for what can be done for a fraction of this?

Enough.

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[dyk343]

Very soon there are going to be so many patients in doctors offices that the referrals will be stacking up to the ceiling. I don't think we will have a problem filling our day.

Thanks for the typical doom and gloom.

"I have been following many threads and the morbid fascination with diabetes makes me queasy. Some of you write as if you will make a living off others ills"
Complete statement fabrication.

 

[dtrack22]

When you type ingrown toenail into webmd the first ads to pop up are for podiatrist finder search engines. Then when you go into the ingrown toenail articles it suggests you talk to your doctor or hospital about finding a "foot care clinic"...if you're gonna make stuff up at least make sure you are somewhat accurate. It'll help with your credibility.

 

[Cizzen]

When you type ingrown toenail into webmd the first ads to pop up are for podiatrist finder search engines. Then when you go into the ingrown toenail articles it suggests you talk to your doctor or hospital about finding a "foot care clinic"...if you're gonna make stuff up at least make sure you are somewhat accurate. It'll help with your credibility.[/QUOTE

From Medscape Education Clinical Briefs

Surgical Treatment of Ingrown Nail CME News Author Jane Warren. CME Author: Penny Murata MD, CME valid for credit through 11/21/2013

If you elect to call someone a liar do your fact checking first.

Maybe you do not have access to Medscape. Ask an MD or DO at your school to help you.

 

[Cizzen]

Very soon there are going to be so many patients in doctors offices that the referrals will be stacking up to the ceiling. I don't think we will have a problem filling our day.

Thanks for the typical doom and gloom.

"I have been following many threads and the morbid fascination with diabetes makes me queasy. Some of you write as if you will make a living off others ills"
Complete statement fabrication.

I asked you not to parse my words. Do you students wish to examine healthcare outside the podiatry bubble?

I do not think that you will be in the same league as MDs, DOs, or DPT, DNPs or chiropractors and Naturopaths unless you can do more via training to treat entire patients.

 

[Cizzen]

Very soon there are going to be so many patients in doctors offices that the referrals will be stacking up to the ceiling. I don't think we will have a problem filling our day.

Thanks for the typical doom and gloom.

"I have been following many threads and the morbid fascination with diabetes makes me queasy. Some of you write as if you will make a living off others ills"
Complete statement fabrication.

I am too old to get into this tit for tat nonsense. If you want to pursue this I will summon the RPh to administer some lessons in courtesy. The racist photos of the past re some comments remain a discomfiting reminder of the maturity level some of you enjoy. A time comes when the folly of childishness and cruelty is outgrown.

 

[Shinobiz11]

I don't understand what you are trying to say here; doesn't the whole field of medicine make a living "off others ills"? Plus, you act like the only thing a podiatrist does is treat diabetic feet. Yes, it is a large part of their scope nowadays, primarily due to the rise of diabetes and obesity in this country. The people on this forum put an emphasis on it because of the rising numbers and how much more prevalent it could be in the future, especially if the USA continues to get fatter (which is most likely will). There is a reason this career has been around for thousands of years as well as why it is separated from MD/DO school; foot care and surgery have a demand which needs to be filled.

Upon viewing your post history, you are the "retired" troll who just loves stirring up the people on the pod boards. In my opinion, it seems you are still stuck with the old stigma that podiatrists aren't real doctors. If you had done any research, you would know that in the past 15 years this career has evolved dramatically and should continue to evolve, especially with the Vision 2015 stuff coming into play. If you would like to see parity among the professions, then you should help out as well, instead of trolling on SDN. We can't just have a bunch of pods nagging to be recognized if no one is there to back them up. MD/DO's have to stand behind us and promote the career choice as well. No disrespect, but take your old man pessimism and leave.

Cary Grant will show you out...

 

[dyk343]

I'm guilty, Dtrack is guilty, and Shinobiz is guilty. If we just stop answering/replying he will go elsewhere

:troll:

 

[dtrack22]

From Medscape Education Clinical Briefs

Surgical Treatment of Ingrown Nail CME News Author Jane Warren. CME Author: Penny Murata MD, CME valid for credit through 11/21/2013

If you elect to call someone a liar do your fact checking first.

Maybe you do not have access to Medscape. Ask an MD or DO at your school to help you.

My comments were in regards to typing ingrown toenail into webmd's search engine. I made that clear. As far as your "access to Medscape" comment. It's free. A monkey with typing skills has access to Medscape articles.

Here's what I got out of the CME brief that you referenced...

Nezih Karaca, MD, from the Department of Dermatology, Okmeydani Education and Research Hospital, Okmeydani, Sisli, Istanbul, Turkey (now at Universal Group Ege Saglik Hospital, Izmir, Turkey), and Professor Tugrul Dereli, MD, from the Department of Dermatology, Ege University Medical Faculty, Bornova, Izmir, Turkey

If you want to take a study/article from Turkey as evidence of the state of healthcare in the US then I guess I'm glad you are retired...

 

[Cizzen]

My comments were in regards to typing ingrown toenail into webmd's search engine. I made that clear. As far as your "access to Medscape" comment. It's free. A monkey with typing skills has access to Medscape articles.

Here's what I got out of the CME brief that you referenced...


If you want to take a study/article from Turkey as evidence of the state of healthcare in the US then I guess I'm glad you are retired...

Look up the word: Obdurate.

Troll troll every comment outside your bubble is troll talk.

 

[dtrack22]

I'm guilty, Dtrack is guilty, and Shinobiz is guilty.

:troll:

 

[dtrack22]

Look up the word: Obdurate.

Troll troll every comment outside your bubble is troll talk.

So you can't accurately respond to anything I've said, resort to name calling, and I'm the stubborn one?

 

[Cizzen]

It doesn't take much imagination to see why so many have stopped posting here. You actually believe you're part of mainstream medicine. Let's see where you are in a few years. Stubborn rascals....almost endearing how little has changed at all...

Medscape is hardly Turkey. You clearly did not locate the article. I'm certain you impressed your schoolmates.

 

[Shinobiz11]

It doesn't take much imagination to see why so many have stopped posting here. You actually believe you're part of mainstream medicine. Let's see where you are in a few years. Stubborn rascals....almost endearing how little has changed at all...

Medscape is hardly Turkey. You clearly did not locate the article. I'm certain you impressed your schoolmates.

I know I'm not suppose to feed him, but he's so darn cute.

 

[Traum]

Podiatrists cannot log on to medscape currently. And given the sad #37 WHO rank of american health "care" and terrible economy, would not knock Turkey.

Clinical Medicine in the states is a suboptimal/struggling profession especially with ACA and all the massive tax increases ready to sink its' claws in 2013 onward.

Will it REALLY be worth it be a "doctor" to make 30-50K more than a registered nurse, and remember they have less responsibily and far few debt. Only you can answer that question.

And as CIzzen states, DNPs will be the new GPs. This is VERY true. Ba bye to MDs, unless you are a chest cracker, a bone gal, or a heart/brain dude. Most of other medicine day to day will be done by DNPs.

DPMs? Only 11K, and half of that, actually really practice. These numbers are too few, too limited funds to make any real lobbying difference in scope.

Podiatrists remain an enigma, and that fact that an MD is giving an medscape CME lesson on toenail procedures on the verge of 2013 is emblematic of the lack of progress organized podiatry has made. Would a GI specialist give dental care CME?

As students, you are heavy in debt, limited life smarts, and have not practiced pediatric medicine in the real world.

Here's how it goes, you will always have to describe your training, your degree(Few know what a DMP is does, what huh DPM) it's an unknown triad. 50 different state scopes, licensing, raised eyebrows as to training, or priviledges.

Latching on to diabetes, detritus removal, pinnochio surgeries, and other "wound care" is nonsense. Learn the disease. Treat the disease. Otherwise, drop the quasi physician title.

The key is primary care podiatry. Enough of "reconstructionisms", "limb salvation", "foot cancer/foot heart attacks" and other nonsense to create agita/need--salesmanship. Most will not be doing this. Most will be debriding nails, and selling orthotics. That's it.

Thinking that everyone needs or will become a foot and sometime ankle surgeon is dubious at best and again illustrates the rudderless ship of podiatry come 2013. "Vision 2015," they had that drek back in the day, again, and again. It's PR to woo students. Smell the strong coffee. There will probably be a "vision 2030,2050 etc...to keep the student loans funds/dues flowing into the anemic societies.

Labelling, branding, stimatizing, or thinking happy thoughts does not changes or alter facts.

Two bottons. Your daugher needs trauma surgery on her ankle/foot (lawn mower).
One bottom is a trauma orthopod, the other is a podiatrist.

Which botton would YOU press?

Whatsa DPM?

 

[dyk343]

For those reading, Traum is the same poster as Cizzen. He is also Caddyshack and several other handles. He has even admitted that he is the same person in the past, and been banned for it as it is a violation of the Terms of service.

I honestly didnt even read what he just wrote because its always a bunch of gibberish.

WHich reminds me, we are supposed to click the little button in the corner to alert the mods when there is a violation of the terms of service, which I will gladly do.

 

[Cizzen]

For those reading, Traum is the same poster as Cizzen. He is also Caddyshack and several other handles. He has even admitted that he is the same person in the past, and been banned for it as it is a violation of the Terms of service.

I honestly didnt even read what he just wrote because its always a bunch of gibberish.

WHich reminds me, we are supposed to click the little button in the corner to alert the mods when there is a violation of the terms of service, which I will gladly do.

This is patently false. I have one sign in Anne, handle, and will contact the board monitor. I suggest you do the same.

I take the time to share knowledge, wisdom, and experience, and in return get insulted, criticized, and my words picked apart. Is this urgency to discredit a defense mechanism, or have you been coached?

I am who I say I am and since you have not been taught a basic tenet of medicine; to respect your teachers I am at a loss. How can I, or any of my contemporaries-many in positions to help your profession, view the incessant high school gibberish as representative of your profession as a whole?

It's truly remarkable that your tone, authoritative, bullying, and mean spirited will go unnoticed. How can a narrow minded person truly be of any use to a system larger than their own ego?

You are a student, unfortunately-by the words you write, dishonor yourself, and by doing so on this forum, the profession itself. So tell me please once you transcend yourself, and belligerence, how you intend to function in the capacity of a 'doctor' of any sort?

I suggest you consider who you may be addressing, why, and how the manner in which you provoke will benefit anyone.

Your comments suggest podiatry training encourages a degree of snarky comments and nonconforming behavior. Hardly traits many would care to work with. I may be retired from clinical care, but I remain thoroughly engaged in administrative medicine and research, an area lacking in podiatry.

 

[dtrack22]

Medscape is hardly Turkey. You clearly did not locate the article.

Again, for someone who has such a large vocabulary, I'm surprised that the reading comprehension skills are lacking. I'll try this again. Here is a screenshot of the CME activity you referenced. I have access to it because anyone with a computer and an email address can access Medscape. Accounts are free and easy to get.

As you can see from the screen shot, since you didn't bother reading what I quoted in a previous post (which makes me think that you are the one who didn't read the study), Medscape is referencing a study that was done in Turkey. Of course it was MD's who performed the study. It was done in Turkey. Should DO's feel slighted as well?

I'm certain you impressed your schoolmates.

I was pleasantly surprised to see that you edited your post so that one sentence could almost be considered a response to my own, but then you go back to name calling. Credibility, once again, destroyed.

 

[Cizzen]

For those reading, Traum is the same poster as Cizzen. He is also Caddyshack and several other handles. He has even admitted that he is the same person in the past, and been banned for it as it is a violation of the Terms of service.

I honestly didnt even read what he just wrote because its always a bunch of gibberish.

WHich reminds me, we are supposed to click the little button in the corner to alert the mods when there is a violation of the terms of service, which I will gladly do.

I'm somewhat annoyed by petty tyrants, so I sent along a note with my concerns. You're demeanor suggests that if you ever are licensed you might be have some issues. People in the healing arts generally conduct themselves with a modicum of courtesy, kindness, and open mindedness. This seems elusive to you. If your posts are reflective of a personality entering a medical career, that is frightening. Then again some might argue you can only harm so much via podiatry...maybe not, I predict, using your posts as a metric you'll be spending considerable sums on legal fees defending disruptive behavior. I don't think your malpractice carrier covers being a putz, do you? Maybe one of you other students can chime in,

 

[Cizzen]

Again, for someone who has such a large vocabulary, I'm surprised that the reading comprehension skills are lacking. I'll try this again. Here is a screenshot of the CME activity you referenced. I have access to it because anyone with a computer and an email address can access Medscape. Accounts are free and easy to get.

As you can see from the screen shot, since you didn't bother reading what I quoted in a previous post (which makes me think that you are the one who didn't read the study), Medscape is referencing a study that was done in Turkey. Of course it was MD's who performed the study. It was done in Turkey. Should DO's feel slighted as well?

No. That is not the same article. Medscape CME. 0.25 credits. AMA category 1. What you do not see, or didn't get someone to look up. I have no idea what you are referring to, and I don't care, The point is, that the CME was made available for hundreds of thousand of viewers for a quick study and credits. It has nothing to do with DOs, I posted to incentives you students to demand inclusion in a very valuable tool: Medscape!

For reasons transcending my patience this hour you persist in questioning my motives. I would like to see podiatry get moving toward an inclusiveness, rather than its isolation from sites like Medscape.

Try to forget about my motivators, and focus on the data. Do you want to look back a few years on, and recall this chat, and wonder why you chose to jerk me around.



I was pleasantly surprised to see that you edited your post so that one sentence could almost be considered a response to my own, but then you go back to name calling. Credibility, once again, destroyed.

I have enough credibility in the real world to last a few lifetimes, and then some. So no worries there. You folks are just starting out, and it's truly amazing how you can persist in being so all-knowing.

Find someone who can get you on the site mentioned. Look at what I suggested, and work toward an inclusion of podiatry. Trust me-yeah, right-you'll help yourself, and you'll help your profession.

 

[Ankle Breaker]

This thread has run its course.

Thread closed.

 

[All4MyDaughter]

I'd like to chime in with a friendly reminder about forum etiquette:

1. Please report posts/posters/people who annoy you, rather than fighting with them on the forum.

2. Learn to use the ignore function for people who annoy you so much you can't keep yourself from fighting with them.

Thank you.

PS: Yes, I can post in a closed thread. It's part of my magic.