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Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
But in an independent practice model there is no OJT. They are just good to go. So obviously we should be able to do that too.
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What I am proposing is not drastic... A lot the prereqs we took do not contribute that much to our medical education. For med school, we can design an 18 months + 18 months curriculum instead 2+2 years.
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Splenda88 said:
What I am proposing is not drastic... A lot the prereqs we took do not contribute that much to our medical education. For med school, we can design an 18 months + 18 months curriculum instead 2+2 years.
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I know, I’m just poking fun at np education.
 
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emedpa said:
Clinical officers in Africa and PAs in Holland are independent practitioners.
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That’s not what your link says about holland.

“PAs are enabled by law to practice medicine autonomously, albeit at all times in collaboration with a medical doctor”

And given what I just read about Clin-As, I don’t think I’d be using them as a positive example.
 
Matthew9Thirtyfive said:
That’s not what your link says about holland.

“PAs are enabled by law to practice medicine autonomously, albeit at all times in collaboration with a medical doctor”

And given what I just read about Clin-As, I don’t think I’d be using them as a positive example.
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yup, kinda like NPs here, who work" in collaboration with " (read, they have someone they can call but never do) physicians. Autonomous means you can ask for help if you want to, but are under zero obligation to ever consult.
 
emedpa said:
yup, kinda like NPs here, who work" in collaboration with " (read, they have someone they can call but never do) physicians. Autonomous means you can ask for help if you want to, but are under zero obligation to ever consult.
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Yeah. So mark off Holland as a place to never practice.
 
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emedpa said:
Clinical officers in Africa and PAs in Holland are independent practitioners.
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I don't think the health system in a rich industrialized country like in America, should be at the standards of African nations who are forced to use independent midlevels...
 
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phagocytosis41 said:
That's quite a statement. NPs probably are better trained than you are fatty. NPs make a great contribution to the health care system. Given they actually received training and work experience as Nurses, the training they get in NP school is an adjunct to what they already learned. Nice to hear not only are people that disagree with you are looney, now you're insulting Nurses. What else do you want to say fatty? Go Eat another chocolate cake and gain 17 pounds, LOL. :D :D :D
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WilcoWorld said:
o_O where did this phagocytosis post come from?!?
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Just more proof that people think nurses are the "sacred cows" of medicine. Nursing + moar nursing training = moar bettr then dokters.

Or maybe a lot of them are just shaped like cows.
 
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RustedFox said:
Just more proof that people think nurses are the "sacred cows" of medicine. Nursing + moar nursing training = moar bettr then dokters.

Or maybe a lot of them are just shaped like cows.
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No, I think Wilco literally means "where did this come from?" We can't see any post that you're responding to, and I can't find a SDN user with that name. Already banned and post removed?
 
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BoardingDoc said:
No, I think Wilco literally means "where did this come from?" We can't see any post that you're responding to, and I can't find a SDN user with that name. Already banned and post removed?
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Ah, I must have hit "reply" before Tyler Dunning-Kruger got the banhammer.
 
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wamcp said:
And taken direclty from AAPA website:



"Under Optimal Team Practice, a newly licensed PA would...be able to report to or be supervised by...a senior PA, or a chief PA rather than having a specific relationship with a physician."
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Yup. PA’s are pretty much shoveling the same **** as NPs. How they got to that point is different (and is mostly the NP’s fault) but that doesn’t really change the reality. I think SAEM put out a statement last year. It’s time for another. And don’t pull/delete the tweets this time.
 
phagocytosis41 said:
That's quite a statement. NPs probably are better trained than you are fatty. NPs make a great contribution to the health care system. Given they actually received training and work experience as Nurses, the training they get in NP school is an adjunct to what they already learned. Nice to hear not only are people that disagree with you are looney, now you're insulting Nurses. What else do you want to say fatty? Go Eat another chocolate cake and gain 17 pounds, LOL. :D :D :D

Calling people fatty and talking about eating cake...yet your name is phagocytosis. Irony for the win
 
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wareagle726 said:
phagocytosis41 said:
That's quite a statement. NPs probably are better trained than you are fatty. NPs make a great contribution to the health care system. Given they actually received training and work experience as Nurses, the training they get in NP school is an adjunct to what they already learned. Nice to hear not only are people that disagree with you are looney, now you're insulting Nurses. What else do you want to say fatty? Go Eat another chocolate cake and gain 17 pounds, LOL. :D :D :D

Calling people fatty and talking about eating cake...yet your name is phagocytosis. Irony for the win
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False.

You seem like a wonderful person to work with and I'm sure all the nurses appreciate you calling the NP hater a fatty.
 
NicMouse64 said:
False.

You seem like a wonderful person to work with and I'm sure all the nurses appreciate you calling the NP hater a fatty.
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You do see I was quoting correct? Don't put that on me Ricky Bobby
 
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phagocytosis41 said:
That's quite a statement. NPs probably are better trained than you are fatty. NPs make a great contribution to the health care system. Given they actually received training and work experience as Nurses, the training they get in NP school is an adjunct to what they already learned. Nice to hear not only are people that disagree with you are looney, now you're insulting Nurses. What else do you want to say fatty? Go Eat another chocolate cake and gain 17 pounds, LOL. :D :D :D

Calling people fatty and talking about eating cake...yet your name is phagocytosis. Irony for the win
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Instant loss of credibility Jenny Mc jennerson
 

Brave
 
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Alvarez13 said:
www.ama-assn.org

Amid doctor shortage, NPs and PAs seemed like a fix. Data’s in: Nope.

One health system turned to these nonphysician providers in a pinch, only to find they needed to rethink the strategy after reviewing their data.
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We dug a little further and used risk-adjustment analyses. It appears that the additional costs had to do with a combination of several factors that included more ordering of tests, more referrals to specialists, and more emergency department utilization,” he added.

F$(king shocker right there.
 
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sylvanthus said:
We dug a little further and used risk-adjustment analyses. It appears that the additional costs had to do with a combination of several factors that included more ordering of tests, more referrals to specialists, and more emergency department utilization,” he added.

F$(king shocker right there.
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NPs are nurses that identify as doctors and who are we to tell them what they are?
 
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RadsWFA1900 said:
NPs are nurses that identify as doctors and who are we to tell them what they are?
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Yup, the battle is lost, you cant punch down, only up. Were considered elitist , classist, sexist, if we point out any flaw in NP and PA training and performance. The new thing in America is to tear down any previously respected/successful position/job.

Can anyone think of a job that was previously respected decades ago that maintains that respect? Pilots? nope, Doctors? hahahahha. teachers? why didnt you give my kid an A?! politicians? shaaaaa, right! hell president post trump? lets go brandon?! would that **** have flown 20 years ago? cops? defind police baby.

We are clearly on the decline as a country, gotta up my prepper game.
 
sylvanthus said:
Yup, the battle is lost, you cant punch down, only up. Were considered elitist , classist, sexist, if we point out any flaw in NP and PA training and performance. The new thing in America is to tear down any previously respected/successful position/job.

Can anyone think of a job that was previously respected decades ago that maintains that respect? Pilots? nope, Doctors? hahahahha. teachers? why didnt you give my kid an A?! politicians? shaaaaa, right! hell president post trump? lets go brandon?! would that **** have flown 20 years ago? cops? defind police baby.

We are clearly on the decline as a country, gotta up my prepper game.
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I’ve started to question why am I even trying to help these people. I should just leave them to their own self destructive tendencies. Plenty of people out there robbing them blind in a daily basis but doctors are the problem. Screw em, they want a nurse? They’ll get what they paid for.
 
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RadsWFA1900 said:
I’ve started to question why am I even trying to help these people. I should just leave them to their own self destructive tendencies. Plenty of people out there robbing them blind in a daily basis but doctors are the problem. Screw em, they want a nurse? They’ll get what they paid for.
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The nurse doctor will listen though man! Listen to them as they lay dying a preventable death.
 
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sylvanthus said:
Yup, the battle is lost, you cant punch down, only up. Were considered elitist , classist, sexist, if we point out any flaw in NP and PA training and performance. The new thing in America is to tear down any previously respected/successful position/job.

Can anyone think of a job that was previously respected decades ago that maintains that respect? Pilots? nope, Doctors? hahahahha. teachers? why didnt you give my kid an A?! politicians? shaaaaa, right! hell president post trump? lets go brandon?! would that **** have flown 20 years ago? cops? defind police baby.

We are clearly on the decline as a country, gotta up my prepper game.
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Agree on upping prepper game. Not so much that society is going to collapse but stuff we take for granted right now is going to intermittently be difficult or impossible to access with increasing frequency.

Also, our culture has lost a lot of respect for expertise. Part of that is just late stage capitalism and the reduction of people to widgets. The other part is that the deference to expertise that we used to have was frequently misused. Sticking to our own discipline, doctors performed a lot of unnecessary procedures to maintain or enhance their income. Obama was wrong about TM tubes but if he had talked about knee scopes or diagnostic cardiac caths, it would have made his point just as well.
 
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Arcan57 said:
Agree on upping prepper game. Not so much that society is going to collapse but stuff we take for granted right now is going to intermittently be difficult or impossible to access with increasing frequency.

Also, our culture has lost a lot of respect for expertise. Part of that is just late stage capitalism and the reduction of people to widgets. The other part is that the deference to expertise that we used to have was frequently misused. Sticking to our own discipline, doctors performed a lot of unnecessary procedures to maintain or enhance their income. Obama was wrong about TM tubes but if he had talked about knee scopes or diagnostic cardiac caths, it would have made his point just as well.
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Capitalism despises expertise at all stages because it means the all knowing all powerful and all good managers of capital will be forced to part with more of their profits.

If they can reduce you to a replaceable widget like they have virtually all of humanity then better for them.
 
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RadsWFA1900 said:
I’ve started to question why am I even trying to help these people. I should just leave them to their own self destructive tendencies. Plenty of people out there robbing them blind in a daily basis but doctors are the problem. Screw em, they want a nurse? They’ll get what they paid for.
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Ohhh, every day I have this thought.
 
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RadsWFA1900 said:
NPs are nurses that identify as doctors and who are we to tell them what they are?
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When a major strategy of multiple groups working against physicians is to portray us as uncaring, we should probably avoid statements that can come across as disregarding a vulnerable minority group.
 
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When a major strategy of multiple groups working against physicians is to portray us as uncaring, we should probably avoid statements that can come across as disregarding a vulnerable minority group.
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Who is this "vulnerable minority group?" People that advocate for an NP instead of an actual doctor for their PCP? NPs themselves? I can't tell who you're referring to as there is no apparent "vulnerable party" in any of the recent comments.
 
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BoardingDoc said:
Who is this "vulnerable minority group?" People that advocate for an NP instead of an actual doctor for their PCP? NPs themselves? I can't tell who you're referring to as there is no apparent "vulnerable party" in any of the recent comments.
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Pretty sure the original comment was a reference to people identifying as non-binary, etc.
 
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sylvanthus said:
Yup, the battle is lost, you cant punch down, only up. Were considered elitist , classist, sexist, if we point out any flaw in NP and PA training and performance. The new thing in America is to tear down any previously respected/successful position/job.

Can anyone think of a job that was previously respected decades ago that maintains that respect? Pilots? nope, Doctors? hahahahha. teachers? why didnt you give my kid an A?! politicians? shaaaaa, right! hell president post trump? lets go brandon?! would that **** have flown 20 years ago? cops? defind police baby.

We are clearly on the decline as a country, gotta up my prepper game.
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Judges..
 
sylvanthus said:
ehhh they are bought by whatever political party they belong to, not sure they are respected.
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Maybe not as respected as they used to be, but they are feared because of the power they wield.
 
sylvanthus said:
Yup, the battle is lost, you cant punch down, only up. Were considered elitist , classist, sexist, if we point out any flaw in NP and PA training and performance. The new thing in America is to tear down any previously respected/successful position/job.

Can anyone think of a job that was previously respected decades ago that maintains that respect? Pilots? nope, Doctors? hahahahha. teachers? why didnt you give my kid an A?! politicians? shaaaaa, right! hell president post trump? lets go brandon?! would that **** have flown 20 years ago? cops? defind police baby.

We are clearly on the decline as a country, gotta up my prepper game.
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Bishop/Cardinal/Pope
 
They are not only "doctors", they are physicians too.

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Splenda88 said:
They are not only "doctors", they are physicians too.

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Does this person have a DNP or something? If so, this is simply misleading as the average person will assume that she's a doctor in the usual sense, which she is not. If she does not actually have a doctorate, how is this not illegal?
 
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