Does anyone know how many US applicants were accepted through the Atlantic Bridge last year?
Does anyone know how many US applicants were accepted through the Atlantic Bridge last year?
Does anyone know how many US applicants were accepted through the Atlantic Bridge last year?
Very little and this has always been the case. ABP and the Irish schools strongly prefer to offer spots to Canadians.
I've never heard that. I've always believed there were fewer US applicants because US schools are easier to get into and americans had traditionally preferred the Caribbean.
Either way, they have absolutely no reason to prefer Canadians over Americans since both pay the same tuition and at the end of the day that is all that matters. Now if acceptance rates for US applicants is lower than Canadian acceptance rates it may be because on average Canadian candidates present more credentials because of the difficulty to get into Canadian med.
I've never heard that. I've always believed there were fewer US applicants because US schools are easier to get into and americans had traditionally preferred the Caribbean.
Either way, they have absolutely no reason to prefer Canadians over Americans since both pay the same tuition and at the end of the day that is all that matters. Now if acceptance rates for US applicants is lower than Canadian acceptance rates it may be because on average Canadian candidates present more credentials because of the difficulty to get into Canadian med.
This is true, I was told by staff that Canadian applicants often outnumber american applicants 10:1. Caribbean schools are much better for Americans due to their connections with hospitals and cheaper tuition. Irish or any UK schools are better for Canadians because Canada has a link to the commonwealth and it gives them a better advantage when they return.
Would you be leaving college without a degree? Or is the acceptance valid until you graduate, contingent upon good grades?
Wow thats incredible that UCC would take about 35 internationals and 35 irish students. I'm at UL and we've got about 35 non-EU out of 140 and I thought that was a lot of internationals!
Greeting from Australia.
I came on this site specifically to ask about this ABP.
Having done the GAMSAT and received a score of 59, which is above the official cutoffs as displayed below:
http://www2.cao.ie/points/Graduate Medicine 2013 Round 0.pdf
I have decided to apply for the GEM programs in Ireland.
My main concern is that after browsing through this forum, a lot of you seem to have stellar performances, extra-curriculars, PHD qualifications and highly commendable scores.
1- Is it fair to say that the international students have it tough compared to the EU counterparts? I've noticed in Australia it is opposite, The benchmark for international students is lower...
2- Is the admission requirements different when compared to EU and NON-EU students?
3- does ABP screen and select a certain quota of students? how does it all work *scratches head*
Greeting from Australia.
I came on this site specifically to ask about this ABP.
Having done the GAMSAT and received a score of 59, which is above the official cutoffs as displayed below:
http://www2.cao.ie/points/Graduate Medicine 2013 Round 0.pdf
I have decided to apply for the GEM programs in Ireland.
My main concern is that after browsing through this forum, a lot of you seem to have stellar performances, extra-curriculars, PHD qualifications and highly commendable scores.
1- Is it fair to say that the international students have it tough compared to the EU counterparts? I've noticed in Australia it is opposite, The benchmark for international students is lower...
2- Is the admission requirements different when compared to EU and NON-EU students?
3- does ABP screen and select a certain quota of students? how does it all work *scratches head*
I actually e-mailed Atlantic Bridge regarding their statistics from 2012. They responded with the following information: A total or roughly 1,250 applicants (4 year, 5 year, and 6 year) applied last year. There was a 10/1 ratio of Canadian applicants vs. US applicants. They confirmed that roughly 250 offers were made last year. They denied their being a preference for Canadian vs. US applicants and the overwhelming majority of Canadian applicants may actually suggest the opposite, seeing as it is a diversity program. That being said, I am from Minnesota, which is practically Canada.
I know there are multiple threads discussing IMG and the future prospects of obtaining residency in the US but does anyone know any US citizens studying in Europe who are trying to obtain a US residency position? All of the threads seem to old to be relevant. I ask because the majority of the doctors I work with disagree with the notion that it will become increasingly difficult to obtain residency if one graduates from a European medical school. Additionally, they actually note that multiple of their fellow residents were IMGs and state it was not much more difficult for their European IMG friends to obtain residency (ER) than a US grad. I find this hard to believe, albeit somewhat reassuring. Nonetheless, I know their is a Dermatologist at Mayo who graduated from RCSI. I also currently work with 2 doctors who graduated from Israel and one from the Caribbean, neither of them had trouble.
Additionally, if one does decide to study medicine in Europe, is there be a preference for Irish universities over a university like Jagiellonian or Charles University when trying to obtain a US residency. I ask because Jagiellonian or Charles University are both far cheaper than going to Cork, UCD, RSCI or a US school and, at least in Europe, are likely just as respected as the Irish schools. Also, how does one figure in Australian medical schools such as Melbourne or Queensland and the opportunities they provide to return to the US? I here they are far more forgiving in their application process, and actually only use the last 3 years of ones undergraduate education to determine GPA. This is drastically beneficial to me as it changes my GPA from a 3.51 to a 3.77. Also, Melbourne is ranked amongst the top 5 universities in the world and amongst the top 10 medical schools in the world. If prospects for IMGs due diminish, would it still be difficult to obtain US residency if one were a graduate from Melbourne or another Australian school of similar caliber.
-- Sorry for any SP or grammar errors.
I know there are multiple threads discussing IMG and the future prospects of obtaining residency in the US but does anyone know any US citizens studying in Europe who are trying to obtain a US residency position? All of the threads seem to old to be relevant. I ask because the majority of the doctors I work with disagree with the notion that it will become increasingly difficult to obtain residency if one graduates from a European medical school. Additionally, they actually note that multiple of their fellow residents were IMGs and state it was not much more difficult for their European IMG friends to obtain residency (ER) than a US grad. I find this hard to believe, albeit somewhat reassuring. Nonetheless, I know their is a Dermatologist at Mayo who graduated from RCSI. I also currently work with 2 doctors who graduated from Israel and one from the Caribbean, neither of them had trouble.
Additionally, if one does decide to study medicine in Europe, is there be a preference for Irish universities over a university like Jagiellonian or Charles University when trying to obtain a US residency. I ask because Jagiellonian or Charles University are both far cheaper than going to Cork, UCD, RSCI or a US school and, at least in Europe, are likely just as respected as the Irish schools. Also, how does one figure in Australian medical schools such as Melbourne or Queensland and the opportunities they provide to return to the US? I here they are far more forgiving in their application process, and actually only use the last 3 years of ones undergraduate education to determine GPA. This is drastically beneficial to me as it changes my GPA from a 3.51 to a 3.77. Also, Melbourne is ranked amongst the top 5 universities in the world and amongst the top 10 medical schools in the world. If prospects for IMGs due diminish, would it still be difficult to obtain US residency if one were a graduate from Melbourne or another Australian school of similar caliber.
-- Sorry for any SP or grammar errors.
I am a US citizen, currently studying in Ireland, and am in the interview phase of applying for residency.
It is significantly more difficult for an IMG to get a residency in the US. Can it be done? Absolutely, but you will need to score at least a full standard deviation higher on your USMLEs to be competitive for the same specialties, and with rare exceptions, the top 50% of training programs will not give your application a second look. I think many who embark on this endeavor fail to realize how difficult it is to do this, and those who are successful are embittered that their hard work doesn't receive the recognition it would were they at a domestic school. The unmatched rate at international schools vary by school but they are significantly higher than American schools. Some of this may be due to failure of the selection process (i.e. people getting in who aren't willing or able to put in the work), but I think it's important to consider the possibility that someone (e.g. you) could borrow six figures and work hard for four years and have no job at the end.
To address going to school in the Czech Republic or Poland, though many may disagree with my viewpoint on this, if you think that going to school in a nation where you do not speak the native language (the language which all of your patients will speak natively) is a good idea, then you have a very naive view of what medicine is and what it entails. As far as competitiveness amongst international schools, occasionally people will have heard of the caliber of training that a particular nation produces (usually through working with someone from that country), but 99% of the time, you're simply an IMG and you went abroad because you were a poor applicant at the medical school level, and the onus is entirely on you to flip their opinion of you. Nobody, and I mean nobody, pays any attention to those "rankings" except the recruiters at that school. Reputation is everything in medical education, rankings are absolutely meaningless.
As a summary, medical school abroad gave me an opportunity where US schools did not, and the adventure of living abroad for four years. I worked twice as hard as an American medical student (which is already likely harder than you've ever worked) to get opportunities at the residency level that are half as good. I am one of the lucky/successful ones and I think everyone should be fully aware of what they're getting into when going abroad. As DOs get increasingly integrated into the allopathic training pathway, you will see IMGs being squeezed out. Furthermore, there are many new allopathic medical schools opening up in the last 5 years, and many medical school classes are growing while residency positions have been mostly stagnant. I would be very cautious and realistic about your goals when going abroad. It's only for the very motivated, the very disciplined, and the resilient. It is not easy.
I just wanted to know what your opinions are regarding participation in the Atlantic Bridge program versus DO. I personally am weighing the pros and cons of staying stateside at a DO program (in NY) where rotations are not of the highest caliber and the degree is not internationally recognized, but where residency is easier to come by as are rotations I can use to make connections. On the other hand, the prospect of studying abroad in a 1st world country and getting an internationally recognized medical degree is very attractive, and it's hard to comprehend the residency process for those of us who aren't doing it. Were you able to do any rotations in the US to help with the process? Do you think joining a program where rotations are done stateside is beneficial. (My interest right now is in IM, with the eventual goal of going into oncology, and my understanding is that it's an easier residency to obtain than most.)
Hi, I noticed the deadline for this program has passed, but I've also read they accept late applicants. Anyone know how long they accept late applicants for?