Time to come clean: I just want to make $$$..!!

[de Ribas]

Pasha are you not doing podiatry anymore?

Those salaries on that website convinced me that I need to go for CRNA. It think it is my calling.

Jk.

No, of course I am not. I am not crazy. Though I believe CRNAs get paid really well, I dont want to be a nurse and anesthesia was never in my horizon even if I became MD/DO. I never wanted to work like a horse for those 250-350k. I have family and I enjoy life outside of school or work.

My sister is a nurse and she works in L&D department. There is DO Anesthesiologist that she often works with. She said he is a nice guy and a family man. He told my sister that he will be moving away to find a job somewhere where he wont have so much call and so much hours. He has family and barely spends time with them.

The schedule is very hectic and irregular.

Being Anesthesiologist or CRNA is great but definitely not for me. Becoming CRNA is too long for me since I don't have a nursing background.

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[de Ribas]

Haha I almost pulled the trigger on CRNA. I went as far as meeting with an accelerated BSN program admissions counselor. However, it potentially is a long haul since you have to work an ICU job first which are hard to get as a new grad. Additionally this may sound dumb but the allure of having a DR title was better to me than having to explain to people that I am a nurse who gives anesthesia. Lastly one potential negative about CRNA that I found in my research was that it is getting super saturated. Same story as pharmacy. Great job- schools get greedy-too many schools open. Eventually salaries will come down.

I agree. I was joking about going into CRNA. I think it is great career for the right people. The thing that they made a requirement that applicants have to have ICU experience is not only for experience, but I think they want to see people like ICU and its atmosphere.

Some people naturally like ICU and everything about critical care. It is different though. I have worked with a nurse manager before at a hospital managing 125+ nursing staff. In general nurses can't just leave any other department and then go to ICU. All the time, we hired people with ICU experience to fill those positions. And if people left from ICU, they strictly went into other ICU jobs. You have to be trained for ICU and once you are trained, they dont want to go down to med/surge or any other unit.

Some people like ICU environments and they do well in those. I think it is great field for nurses with experience and who want to get better pay and more fulfilling work.

It will take me about the same time or even faster to become podiatrist than CRNA. I have never thought seriously about CRNA. I only thought about DNP and have applied for MSN program last year.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

I think you have to realize that most of us don't want to become podiatrists for the salary. Even if we make $100K a year, that's still way more than the average American sees. It pays the bills and there's more than enough left over to enjoy life.

If you go into podiatry with the mindset of a businessman that's trying to make money at every turn, you're going to hate going to work every day and you won't make a good doctor.

If you want to become a podiatrist because its the absolute thing you want to do then by all means go forward and do it. Its literally the only reason you should do it because as I mentioned before the other reasons/side effects/benefits arent so great.
Keep in mind the barrier to entry is very low however, and a lot more work is required to become a podiatrist once you start medical school.
If one is taking podiatry as a backup to DO/MD it might be killing yourself for that extra one year, rewriting that mcat or extra classes and getting the DO/MD acceptance since youre going to have to work your butt off for years to come anyway

 

[med2345]

If you want to become a podiatrist because its the absolute thing you want to do then by all means go forward and do it. Its literally the only reason you should do it because as I mentioned before the other reasons/side effects/benefits arent so great.
Keep in mind the barrier to entry is very low however, and a lot more work is required to become a podiatrist once you start medical school.
If one is taking podiatry as a backup to DO/MD it might be killing yourself for that extra one year, rewriting that mcat or extra classes and getting the DO/MD acceptance since youre going to have to work your butt off for years to come anyway

There are plenty of current students that went DPM over DO and have stellar MCATs. Just because you go MD or DO doesn’t mean you’ll get a lot of options. Statistically youll be doing family/primary/internal. There is the same arguement with finance vs medicine not just for DPMs. Anyone who uses this as a mean not to go into podiatry should also not consider MD or DO for the same reason. You aren’t guaranteed to make any more (or possibly less for that matter) for a similar amount of tuition. I’m comparing 3 year MD/DO residencies assuming the average student.

 

[Dochopeful13]

There are plenty of current students that went DPM over DO and have stellar MCATs. Just because you go MD or DO doesn’t mean you’ll get a lot of options. Statistically youll be doing family/primary/internal. There is the same arguement with finance vs medicine not just for DPMs. Anyone who uses this as a mean not to go into podiatry should also not consider MD or DO for the same reason. You aren’t guaranteed to make any more (or possibly less for that matter) for a similar amount of tuition. I’m comparing 3 year MD/DO residencies assuming the average student.

Very well said.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

There are plenty of current students that went DPM over DO and have stellar MCATs. Just because you go MD or DO doesn’t mean you’ll get a lot of options. Statistically youll be doing family/primary/internal. There is the same arguement with finance vs medicine not just for DPMs. Anyone who uses this as a mean not to go into podiatry should also not consider MD or DO for the same reason. You aren’t guaranteed to make any more (or possibly less for that matter) for a similar amount of tuition. I’m comparing 3 year MD/DO residencies assuming the average student.

Uh... If there were plenty of DPM students with stellar mcats, the average MCAT scores for podiatry schools would not be so low as to say 494 for a "prestegious school" as des moines meaning the students are in the bottom 30% of all MCAT test takers. Or kent state the average being somewhere near 496, still in the record lows. SMU for somewhere near 498 (still bottom 40 %) , scholl 495 average. You do know how averages work right? With the exception of kent state, the smaller class size schools would certainly have much higher averages with such low sample sizes if students really did have good mcats.

If you go MD (American school) you have almost every option waiting for you, it literally is your golden ticket, not sure what youre talking about there. Not to mention that only 35% of american doctors are primary care (where salaries are still much better than podiatry). The remaining are specialists, where life is more interesting, salaries are much much better (300 k+)and so is the respect they get. Anesthesiology, general surgery, OBGYN, urology, ent, derm, opthalmo, emergency medicine, neurosurgery, on and on and on. And if youre bored with medicine there is nothing stopping an MD from joining a biodevice, pharma, or venture capital company as an executive and make big money there too.

Statistically speaking if you go DO (which only makes up 10% of american doctors) you are correct in that you will go to internal medicine/family medicine (probably has a lot to do with their MD peers are much better at studying + prestige and tend to destroy the USMLE much better than DO students can). In either case you can still further specialize (as the statistics suggest ) and become a cardiologist (450k-500k) , neurologist(250k), gastro (350k), and more. In all of these scenarios you beat the daylights out of a podiatry salary, where the top of the class is just making 200's these guys are clearing 2X the salary. And if they dont want to specialize, well the bottom 25% of internal medicine docs are making 230k which is the same /if not higher than the top 25% making 200 k.

Meanwhile for podiatry if you want to make 200 k +
1. You need to be in the top 25% of your field
2. You need to be flexible with where you want to live
3. You may even need to invest a bit of time building to that salary from a lower one

While your MD/DO pals who spent that extra year studying are making the same amount in the low ranks of their class, with any city choice, and can change their specialty choice while in school, you cant.

Lay off the tide pods for now kiddo. There is a reason podiatry accepts the lowest ranks.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

There are plenty of current students that went DPM over DO and have stellar MCATs. Just because you go MD or DO doesn’t mean you’ll get a lot of options. Statistically youll be doing family/primary/internal. There is the same arguement with finance vs medicine not just for DPMs. Anyone who uses this as a mean not to go into podiatry should also not consider MD or DO for the same reason. You aren’t guaranteed to make any more (or possibly less for that matter) for a similar amount of tuition. I’m comparing 3 year MD/DO residencies assuming the average student.

Not to mention the medical forums are a giant buzzkill. Its a constant pissing contest

 

[Yazo]

and a lot more work is required to become a podiatrist once you start

Can you explain what you mean by this? Wouldn't the same apply to someone that went the MD/DO route? I assume that the schools accept applicants that they believe will be able to handle the coursework.

I'm hoping to apply this coming year, so I'm still trying to find out as much as I can about the profession.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

Can you explain what you mean by this? Wouldn't the same apply to someone that went the MD/DO route?

I'm hoping to apply this coming year, so I'm still trying to find out as much as I can about the profession.

You need to study in the MD/DO route to pass a class. A pass being a C, 70%. Besides that, once youre in the MD/DO route youre straight cruising, except for USMLE prep time, where even there, being from an american school, you're nearly guaranteed a residency. If not right away, at least in the scramble (residency applications round 2)
In podiatry you need to work your butt off on the daily since a 3.0 is "okay" for applying for residencies. That being a B average. Not to mention your class rank will also be considered if you want a good residency (where all those surgical skillzz are being taught so you can get that "thicc salary") . Some of the best residencies only consider the top 10, 15, 20% of a class. Guess what? Only the top 20% can be in that category, meanwhile your entire class wants a spot in that rank.

But most importantly, its really common in podiatry school for students prior to entry to assume they are in, its done, they just need to passively wait 4-7 years and that salary /the job/ the degree in the end is theirs
And then there is the other half of the class who all want to nail everything in the next 7 years and get that 1% orthopedic group career making 300k-400k a year. The reality is, only one of you can be the top of the class, and only a handful can get those jobs (Im not saying its necessarily going to be the valedictorian or the top gun of the class).

 

[GypsyHummus]

This part is scary. Grades matter a ton in Podiatry school vs MD/DO, and people who are struggling to pass around the 2.0-2.5 mark dont have a lot of options open to them, whereas I know of personally two people at MD school who barley passed classes (they do pass fail) and still managed top tier residencies.

There was a DO school this year that had a 92% match, scramble included. As more DO schools come up the pipeline, getting anything other than Internal Med and Family might be less of a sure thing.

In podiatry you need to work your butt off on the daily since a 3.0 is "okay" for applying for residencies. That being a B average. Not to mention your class rank will also be considered if you want a good residency (where all those surgical skillzz are being taught so you can get that "thicc salary") . Some of the best residencies only consider the top 10, 15, 20% of a class. Guess what? Only the top 20% can be in that category, meanwhile your entire class wants a spot in that rank.

 

[Yazo]

You need to study in the MD/DO route to pass a class. A pass being a C, 70%. Besides that, once youre in the MD/DO route youre straight cruising, except for USMLE prep time, where even there, being from an american school, you're nearly guaranteed a residency. If not right away, at least in the scramble (residency applications round 2)
In podiatry you need to work your butt off on the daily since a 3.0 is "okay" for applying for residencies. That being a B average. Not to mention your class rank will also be considered if you want a good residency (where all those surgical skillzz are being taught so you can get that "thicc salary") . Some of the best residencies only consider the top 10, 15, 20% of a class. Guess what? Only the top 20% can be in that category, meanwhile your entire class wants a spot in that rank.

But most importantly, its really common in podiatry school for students prior to entry to assume they are in, its done, they just need to passively wait 4-7 years and that salary /the job/ the degree in the end is theirs
And then there is the other half of the class who all want to nail everything in the next 7 years and get that 1% orthopedic group career making 300k-400k a year. The reality is, only one of you can be the top of the class, and only a handful can get those jobs (Im not saying its necessarily going to be the valedictorian or the top gun of the class).

Thanks. Do you think if someone had a 3.8+ in college, would they be able to handle the workload at a podiatry school?

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

This part is scary. Grades matter a ton in Podiatry school vs MD/DO, and people who are struggling to pass around the 2.0-2.5 mark dont have a lot of options open to them, whereas I know of personally two people at MD school who barley passed classes (they do pass fail) and still managed top tier residencies.

There was a DO school this year that had a 92% match, scramble included. As more DO schools come up the pipeline, getting anything other than Internal Med and Family might be less of a sure thing.

That was one thing I hated about podiatry school. I was once like these people who also had the optimism that I would walk into class, kick @$$, and walk out top of my class with an offer from the orthopedic company for 300k. Realistically I ended up somewhere in the top 30% which is miles away from the top. I hated worrying about how every exam could really break me, if for some reason it didnt fly, I could end up losing half my grade, getting a C in that course, and a 2.0/4.0 points for that course which would take A, after A , after A to reestablish. All this effort, scrutiny for a 200k salary (if that).
The night I finally decided to make my pull the plug move, I got some really weird illness from eating a frozen food to the point I was vomiting , shivering violently in a 78 degree room under blankets and I had an anatomy exam (7 credits) the next morning.

When I left/started getting ready to leave I sent in applications for DO schools and ended up getting into western university, but during the same time I finished coding school and got a pretty decent offer. There were students who FAILED courses again and again, and as you said most of them still match.

Internal medicine is not a bad option considering that the bottom 25% are making what the top 25% of podiatry students are making, and you can upgrade Internal medicine (as I mentioned before) . If you go for something like cardiology with an extra 3 year investment your potential earnings are probably 450 k, although there are quite a few making the 500-800 k range . If not, then the other specialties also pay quite a bit more.

 

[Prehealth1011]

Can you explain what you mean by this? Wouldn't the same apply to someone that went the MD/DO route? I assume that the schools accept applicants that they believe will be able to handle the coursework.

I'm hoping to apply this coming year, so I'm still trying to find out as much as I can about the profession.

Class rank doesn't really mean much in MD/DO. I have classmates that i literally only see on exam days, just trying to pass.
And the bolded doesn't apply to Pod schools. They'll take anyone. The schools are business and they need to fill seats.

 

[Yazo]

Class rank doesn't really mean much in MD/DO. I have classmates that i literally only see on exam days, just trying to pass.
And the bolded doesn't apply to Pod schools. They'll take anyone. The schools are business and they need to fill seats.

Okay, that's new information for me. Thanks for posting. Is it common for DPM graduates to not be able to find a residency after graduation?

 

[DexterMorganSK]

Okay, that's new information for me. Thanks for posting. Is it common for DPM graduates to not be able to find a residency after graduation?

If you did your research you would have known that almost all of the 9 schools had a 100% match rate this year.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

Thanks. Do you think if someone had a 3.8+ in college, would they be able to handle the workload at a podiatry school?

Considering the low stats it takes to get in, and schools (with low drop out/failure rates) still graduate, the answer is probably yes but there are two things that are important
1) What do you mean by handle? Keep in mind its not medical school where you can get a 70% and your buddy can get a 95% and youre both on even ground when it comes to USMLE time?
2) How hard was it to get that 3.8? I worked my butt off for a 3.4 in my first 2 years of college, the last year I had a 4.0 all three quarters in a row, while still taking "difficult courses" , I just learned how to game the system (something my peers learned earlier), accessing frat folders with tons of previous(nearly identical) exams, getting friendly with professors before projects/presentations, yet I had the most free time I ever had in my life.

In general youre probably going to be fine unless you got your degree in something like underwater basket weaving from bikini bottom university . At the same time would someone with a 3.8 REALLY REALLY want to be a podiatrist compared to something else.

 

[med2345]

That was one thing I hated about podiatry school. I was once like these people who also had the optimism that I would walk into class, kick @$$, and walk out top of my class with an offer from the orthopedic company for 300k. Realistically I ended up somewhere in the top 30% which is miles away from the top. I hated worrying about how every exam could really break me, if for some reason it didnt fly, I could end up losing half my grade, getting a C in that course, and a 2.0/4.0 points for that course which would take A, after A , after A to reestablish. All this effort, scrutiny for a 200k salary (if that).
The night I finally decided to make my pull the plug move, I got some really weird illness from eating a frozen food to the point I was vomiting , shivering violently in a 78 degree room under blankets and I had an anatomy exam (7 credits) the next morning.

When I left/started getting ready to leave I sent in applications for DO schools and ended up getting into western university, but during the same time I finished coding school and got a pretty decent offer. There were students who FAILED courses again and again, and as you said most of them still match.

Internal medicine is not a bad option considering that the bottom 25% are making what the top 25% of podiatry students are making, and you can upgrade Internal medicine (as I mentioned before) . If you go for something like cardiology with an extra 3 year investment your potential earnings are probably 450 k, although there are quite a few making the 500-800 k range . If not, then the other specialties also pay quite a bit more.

No offense, but you are so clueless about medicine as a whole I’ve completely given up on this thread. Those cardiologists also work 65 hours a week and the hospitals b*tches, and always taking call. People love to talk salary numbers but not actual numbers. This thread has turned into a cancer tbh

 

[DexterMorganSK]

Class rank doesn't really mean much in MD/DO. I have classmates that i literally only see on exam days, just trying to pass.
And the bolded doesn't apply to Pod schools. They'll take anyone. The schools are business and they need to fill seats.

They don't take anyone. They reject a lot too; all depends on your stats, granted it is lower than most DO schools. But, there are also those accepted that had the stats for MD school but chose Podiatry. Check out the accepted page here.

DO schools back in the 2000s were also taking just about "anyone"; but that changed over the last few years. That said, the Pod application pool would get better once they start to fill the seats, its just a matter of time.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

If you did your research you would have known that almost all of the 9 schools had a 100% match rate this year.

That was something I found out this year when answering this thread, its a really good win for podiatry.
But he may not know the entire scenario of how it worked

In which case

Initially the match rates were pretty bad with the new podiatry schools opening up and limited residencies
Recently it was still terrible because the old pods who didnt match were getting seats with newly opened residencies
Now the number of residencies is actually > number of graduates with very few unmatched pods waiting on the list

 

[DexterMorganSK]

That was something I found out this year when answering this thread, its a really good win for podiatry.
But he may not know the entire scenario of how it worked

In which case

Initially the match rates were pretty bad with the new podiatry schools opening up and limited residencies
Recently it was still terrible because the old pods who didnt match were getting seats with newly opened residencies
Now the number of residencies is actually > number of graduates with very few unmatched pods waiting on the list

It was only bad in 2011-14; and it only got better from there. With lower applicants, there will always be a residency spot for the current classes.

When all the numbers are done, Pod residency match/placement rates are better if not equal to those of an MD/DO residency cycle.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

No offense, but you are so clueless about medicine as a whole I’ve completely given up on this thread. Those cardiologists also work 65 hours a week and the hospitals b*tches, and always taking call. People love to talk salary numbers but not actual numbers. This thread has turned into a cancer tbh

500 points in that thread and you find time to nitpick cardiologists. Do you have an issue with being wrong? Or are you just habitually tired of it you struggle to pick out little errors.
You remind me of the people who try to win arguments by correcting "youre" to "you're"
If a podiatrist works 50 hours a week and makes 200 k, and the cardiologist works 70, makes more than double, he is still winning. If you dont want to work long hours there are plenty of options for you.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

They don't take anyone. They reject a lot too; all depends on your stats, granted it is lower than most DO schools. But, there are also those accepted that had the stats for MD school but chose Podiatry. Check out the accepted page here.

DO schools back in the 2000s were also taking just about "anyone"; but that changed over the last few years. That said, the Pod application pool would get better once they start to fill the seats, its just a matter of time.

There may be a few people who had MD stats who chose podiatry but the averages speak for themselves. someone in the bottom (495 mcat) 30% of test takers is considered anybody.
Ill be realistic here, I took the MCAT in 2014 and got a 28. I didnt directly study but I was enrolled in orgo+ bio series and I knew physics in and out.
I graduated in 2016 and retook it again, I did not want to study for the new one, I got a 497 from guess work, what ever I remembered. The stats for podiatry acceptance are not very glorious

 

[med2345]

500 points in that thread and you find time to nitpick cardiologists. Do you have an issue with being wrong? Or are you just habitually tired of it you struggle to pick out little errors.
You remind me of the people who try to win arguments by correcting "youre" to "you're"
If a podiatrist works 50 hours a week and makes 200 k, and the cardiologist works 70, makes more than double, he is still winning. If you dont want to work long hours there are plenty of options for you.

Yea no **** they make more they scored well on their step tests and had a much longer residency. You shine everything up and downplay podiatry. You are continually biased yet feel like you should be giving advice. Don’t. You’re literally doing no one a favor.

 

[DexterMorganSK]

Can a Mod close/lock this thread please? @SLCpod

This thread was created by Dr.Phoot to ask about his chances and other issues related to this field. And, it has been off-course for a while now.

 

[med2345]

Can a Mod close/lock this thread please? @SLCpod

This thread was created by Dr.Phoot to ask about his chances and other issues related to this field. And, it has been off-course for a while now.

Agreed.

 

[Prehealth1011]

They don't take anyone. They reject a lot too; all depends on your stats, granted it is lower than most DO schools. But, there are also those accepted that had the stats for MD school but chose Podiatry. Check out the accepted page here.

DO schools back in the 2000s were also taking just about "anyone"; but that changed over the last few years. That said, the Pod application pool would get better once they start to fill the seats, its just a matter of time.

They don't. 60-70% of Pod applicants get in. With such low # of applicants, i don't blame the school for it. Yeah things might change later with time but as it stands, it is what it is. It's just business.

 

[GypsyHummus]

You got into Western (DO) with a 497? I thought their average was much higher.

FWIW, I met several people who decided on pod over DO because of the track into surgery. I did not meet anyone who picked DPM over MD.

Like I mentioned before, its good for prepods to hear the truth, the good and the bad. Everyone showcases the good about DPM and we dont hear the bad. I think the goods outweigh the bad personally, but you really have to want to be a doc to go the pod route. Much more so than MD because if you dont like medicine, you could always do something else with an MD. DO might be a little trickier because its still a minority of doctors out there.

At least there isnt a Podiatry saturation problem.....yet.

There may be a few people who had MD stats who chose podiatry but the averages speak for themselves. someone in the bottom (495 mcat) 30% of test takers is considered anybody.
Ill be realistic here, I took the MCAT in 2014 and got a 28. I didnt directly study but I was enrolled in orgo+ bio series and I knew physics in and out.
I graduated in 2016 and retook it again, I did not want to study for the new one, I got a 497 from guess work, what ever I remembered. The stats for podiatry acceptance are not very glorious

 

[Prehealth1011]

This part is scary. Grades matter a ton in Podiatry school vs MD/DO, and people who are struggling to pass around the 2.0-2.5 mark dont have a lot of options open to them, whereas I know of personally two people at MD school who barley passed classes (they do pass fail) and still managed top tier residencies.

There was a DO school this year that had a 92% match, scramble included. As more DO schools come up the pipeline, getting anything other than Internal Med and Family might be less of a sure thing.

Sure it can happen. It can also not happen. No one knows.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

You got into Western (DO) with a 497? I thought their average was much higher.

FWIW, I met several people who decided on pod over DO because of the track into surgery. I did not meet anyone who picked DPM over MD.

Like I mentioned before, its good for prepods to hear the truth, the good and the bad. Everyone showcases the good about DPM and we dont hear the bad. I think the goods outweigh the bad personally, but you really have to want to be a doc to go the pod route. Much more so than MD because if you dont like medicine, you could always do something else with an MD. DO might be a little trickier because its still a minority of doctors out there.

At least there isnt a Podiatry saturation problem.....yet.

2017 summer or fall I retook the MCAT again and did very well on it, but that was irrelevant to my podiatry application since I applied in 2016/early 2017. I was still contemplating withdrawing from podiatry school and waiting it out.

Agreed, its important to know the good and bad. As a student who was going into podiatry I only shined light on the good, and the nearly impossible (few pods who were making 1 million +)

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

Yea no **** they make more they scored well on their step tests and had a much longer residency. You shine everything up and downplay podiatry. You are continually biased yet feel like you should be giving advice. Don’t. You’re literally doing no one a favor.

You should get over the fact that there are many many many negatives to podiatry.
Spending 7 years of your life + debt+ no income earned + tons of stress over your GPA in school + mediocre income + limited location flexibility + crappy ortho oversight in some hospitals. Where are podiatrists winning?

I shined a light on what prepods should know. As I said before, there is a reason applications are down, and the stats to get in are very low, podiatry is a terrible deal

Again, you can go DO, flick your nipples through the entire degree, get a passing step score, and still match into internal medicine, with a salary = to the top 25% of podiatrists , same residency investment while being the last ranking guy in your DO class. open up to the facts.
If you dont want to spend just an extra 2-3 years to double your salary, you can get into anesthesiology (Which is not competitive these days, and many DO students match into) OBGYN, or emergency medicine, all within reach

 

[GypsyHummus]

I dont think just anyone can get into a DO school, the recent growth of SMPs have illustrated this. These SMPs are usually very expensive and only 50-60% of the students make it through.

I do think that DPM is a better alternative to the useless bio degree phenomenon. What else was a premed student going to do who were part of the 60% of undergrads that didnt get into med school? Grad school and attempt to apply again? Caribbean? Pharmacy? Optometry? Dentistry is harder than DO school to get into and on par with MD.

You should get over the fact that there are many many many negatives to podiatry.
I shined a light on what prepods should know. As I said before, there is a reason applications are down, and the stats to get in are very low, podiatry is a terrible deal

Again, you can go DO, flick your nipples through the entire degree, get a passing step score, and still match into internal medicine, with a salary = to the top 25% of podiatrists , same residency investment while being the last ranking guy in your DO class. open up to the facts.
If you dont want to spend just an extra 2-3 years to double your salary, you can get into anesthesiology (Which is not competitive these days, and many DO students match into) OBGYN, or emergency medicine, all within reach

 

[med2345]

You should get over the fact that there are many many many negatives to podiatry.
Spending 7 years of your life + debt+ no income earned + tons of stress over your GPA in school + mediocre income + limited location flexibility + crappy ortho oversight in some hospitals. Where are podiatrists winning?

I shined a light on what prepods should know. As I said before, there is a reason applications are down, and the stats to get in are very low, podiatry is a terrible deal

Again, you can go DO, flick your nipples through the entire degree, get a passing step score, and still match into internal medicine, with a salary = to the top 25% of podiatrists , same residency investment while being the last ranking guy in your DO class. open up to the facts.
If you dont want to spend just an extra 2-3 years to double your salary, you can get into anesthesiology (Which is not competitive these days, and many DO students match into) OBGYN, or emergency medicine, all within reach

Well I don’t know who you’ve shadowed but I’ve shadowed 2 younger podiatrists. Both told me there is no reason to take less than 150k as a first job and expect 150-250k offers during your last year of residency. There have been recent graduates on here that also confirmed that and several surveys. After Uncle Sam takes steals his part you’re making what maybe in the range of 10-30k more a year with those specialties?

Either way it’s nothing to write home about and either way I’d you can manage your finances and debt you will live well. That’s the final line. The richest doctors I know are not in high specialties but take the money they make from medicine and invest it elsewhere.

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

I dont think just anyone can get into a DO school, the recent growth of SMPs have illustrated this. These SMPs are usually very expensive and only 50-60% of the students make it through.

I do think that DPM is a better alternative to the useless bio degree phenomenon. What else was a premed student going to do who were part of the 60% of undergrads that didnt get into med school? Grad school and attempt to apply again? Caribbean? Pharmacy? Optometry? Dentistry is harder than DO school to get into and on par with MD.

Youre right in the bottom paragraph. Actually youre correct in the top too, but an smp isnt required. The best way to getting into a do school is probably a diy post bacc and a good mcat. Based on what i said in my experience and what my peers in podiatry school tell me, and the successful carribbean grads tell me, low mcat scores are a result of being lazy or some illness. I know if someone studies for it properly they can pull off a do competetive score

 

[IDontHaveAnyFeet]

Well I don’t know who you’ve shadowed but I’ve shadowed 2 younger podiatrists. Both told me there is no reason to take less than 150k as a first job and expect 150-250k offers during your last year of residency. There have been recent graduates on here that also confirmed that and several surveys. After Uncle Sam takes steals his part you’re making what maybe in the range of 10-30k more a year with those specialties?

Either way it’s nothing to write home about and either way I’d you can manage your finances and debt you will live well. That’s the final line. The richest doctors I know are not in high specialties but take the money they make from medicine and invest it elsewhere.

Look man if the salaries end up being that great, then im happy. I have no grudges against podiatry students, I hate the profession itself/the people paying, not the students.
When I got to pod school I asked 3 different podiatrists, the assistant dean (said 150k) , a teaching/active surgical podiatrist (180k mostly) and the dean who said 200 k is usually for people with a fellowship (extra 1-2 years).
I had a student in my class whos father was a podiatrist and had 3 of his own practices, and then there was a podiatrist making 90 k.
One more guys father was a podiatrist in long island ny, they left , moved to TX, and after working 65 hours a week he was coming close to 300k (keep in mind this guy has been practicing for a LONG time considering his son was in podiatry school). I interviewed with NYCPM and they said 110-150 on average. I asked the pods in the bay area, except for kaiser guys making 200, everyone else was 130-170 k. There is a lot of variability, and me personally , its not worth it. However you are welcome to what ever works for you, if you get a 200 k salary, then great, all the power to you.

I just dont want prepods to all hoarde up together thinking they will ALL be making 200-250 k since that isnt the reality.

 

[SLCpod]

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