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[Dr_Feelgood]

I'd like to hear some theories on why podiatry is not listed under medical school forums? APMSA supports this forum but we are second class citizens?

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[krabmas]

I'd like to hear some theories on why podiatry is not listed under medical school forums? APMSA supports this forum but we are second class citizens?

Because we are not real doctors... I thought you would have learned that by now just from SDN.

 

[jack_bauer]

I'd like to hear some theories on why podiatry is not listed under medical school forums? APMSA supports this forum but we are second class citizens?

because podiatry school isn't medical school.

 

[JustMyLuck]

because podiatry school isn't medical school.

Podiatry school IS medical school. Although we will be limited to treating the lower limbs,we are most definately studying medicine.

 

[Dr.Nick]

Why are we looked at as second class citizens? we are specialists, just as a brain surgeon or a cardiologist, except we specialize in foot care. Is that so hard to see? I know I have trouble with my engrish from time to time but come on..

 

[psionic_blast]

This is a real bother to me too. I think that we should talk to APMSA and get them to look into this. We should also bring this up to the moderaters.

 

[billclinton]

Podiatry school IS medical school. Although we will be limited to treating the lower limbs,we are most definately studying medicine.

You have got to be kidding me. LOL... I see the trolls on this site have not gotten any better. Podiatry is by no means medical school, not even close. Medical school rewards a MD or DO upon completion. Another thing, you will be limited to treating the FOOT and perhaps the ankle.

If you wish to go to medical school, retake the MCAT and get it above a 25, perhaps get a masters and get your gpa above a 3.0. Then perhaps you will be competitive to entrance into medical school. Gosh, pretty soon chiropractors, dentists, and physical therapists will start claiming they went to medical school.

 

[MurrayButler]

Although some of you may call me a traitor, I don't see the problem. Dentists went to Dental school just as we went to Podiatry school. The dental students aren't listed under medical school and we shouldn't be listed there either. I don't want you guys to think I'm agreeing with ignorant pricks such as the billclinton guy that posted there (who I feel will probably be at the very bottom of his class and hears how worthless he is from all of his classmates every day of his life so he has to pick on someone), but I really don't see what the big deal is. I made well about a 25 on my MCAT, and had well above a 3.0 GPA and got into a med school, but chose not to attend because I wanted to be a podiatrist. But I knew I was going to Podiatry school, not medical school. Remember, don't let the name fool you though, its every bit as hard. The people I know in med school have seen our tests and totally agree.

 

[MurrayButler]

Check this guy's previous threads out! What a joke! Man...how unhappy with your life do you have to be to go and belittle other wonderful professions with your spare time. Are you sure you are a medical student? The ones I know spend their time talking positively about their professions and their colleagues surrounding them (podiatrists, dentists, etc.) unlike you. I bet you couldn't cut it...or got dumped by your girlfriend....or boyfriend....or whatever. You're one sad puppy. Don't let me get ahold of your feet, haha.

 

[billclinton]

Check this guy's previous threads out! What a joke! Man...how unhappy with your life do you have to be to go and belittle other wonderful professions with your spare time. Are you sure you are a medical student? The ones I know spend their time talking positively about their professions and their colleagues surrounding them (podiatrists, dentists, etc.) unlike you. I bet you couldn't cut it...or got dumped by your girlfriend....or boyfriend....or whatever. You're one sad puppy. Don't let me get ahold of your feet, haha.

oh whatever. yes, you must know all about me because you read 10 of my posts on sdn. if you are such a genius (*snicker*), why is it so many podiatrist students strive for people to think they went to medical school?

the thing is, there are many medical students who would laugh at this thread and the idea of podatry students claiming they went to medical school. we have worked really hard to be good students to get into medical school. the whole idea of podiatry students claiming to be medical students belittles all of our hardwork. a minimum of 18 to get into podiatry school? give me a break. to get into a decent MD med school you need at least 3.6 and 30 mcat.... it isn't easy to do this.

 

[capo]

oh whatever. yes, you must know all about me because you read 10 of my posts on sdn. if you are such a genius (*snicker*), why is it so many podiatrist students strive for people to think they went to medical school?

the thing is, there are many medical students who would laugh at this thread and the idea of podatry students claiming they went to medical school. we have worked really hard to be good students to get into medical school. the whole idea of podiatry students claiming to be medical students belittles all of our hardwork. a minimum of 18 to get into podiatry school? give me a break. to get into a decent MD med school you need at least 3.6 and 30 mcat.... it isn't easy to do this.

You know what? 1st of all you're supposed to be going into a helping profession to do just that -- HELP people! 2ndly, bashing other people is not a good way to show any ability in doing just that. 3rdly, do you really think your patients will CARE where you went to school -- let alone some stats about you? Why not give them your shirt and shoe size while you're at it? Think that'll impress too?

They're only going to care how well you treat them and make them feel healthy again. If their feet hurt they'll see a pod. If their throat hurts they'll see a doc. If their tooth hurts they'll see a dentist. Who cares where you went to school, what your gpa and mcat were, etc.? What a ridiculous and absurd waste of time and effort. If you've got time to dwell on that stuff, you certainly aren't spending your time becoming the best doc you can be. Gloating over yesteryear will only get you in trouble with the major hurdles and obstacles, ahead in your professional years.

Meds or pods or whatever is about treating symptoms/causes and patients, not inflating ego's at cocktail parties. Grow up dude. Your gpa and mcat AND 50 cents will get you coffee at 7-11.

 

[doclm]

oh whatever. yes, you must know all about me because you read 10 of my posts on sdn. if you are such a genius (*snicker*), why is it so many podiatrist students strive for people to think they went to medical school?

the thing is, there are many medical students who would laugh at this thread and the idea of podatry students claiming they went to medical school. we have worked really hard to be good students to get into medical school. the whole idea of podiatry students claiming to be medical students belittles all of our hardwork. a minimum of 18 to get into podiatry school? give me a break. to get into a decent MD med school you need at least 3.6 and 30 mcat.... it isn't easy to do this.

Chill out man,

What in the hell makes you so special? If your so fricking "gun ho" on being in a decent MD med school rather than looking at and treating your medical partners with some respect, you WILL have a rude awakening when you land your feet into the real medical world. Obviously your personality does not fit a successful medical professional, as you will be eaten alive by every respectible RN, PA, FNP, DO, MD, DPM, MBBS, DPT or MT that you come across in your residency with such a bitter, self consumed attitude. Remember, in the "real medical world" the majority rules, not some prick who thinks they are the only qualified medical professionals based on some traditional education that bases its admission on only MCAT's and GPA's.

 

[krabmas]

You have got to be kidding me. LOL... I see the trolls on this site have not gotten any better. Podiatry is by no means medical school, not even close. Medical school rewards a MD or DO upon completion. Another thing, you will be limited to treating the FOOT and perhaps the ankle.

If you wish to go to medical school, retake the MCAT and get it above a 25, perhaps get a masters and get your gpa above a 3.0. Then perhaps you will be competitive to entrance into medical school. Gosh, pretty soon chiropractors, dentists, and physical therapists will start claiming they went to medical school.

I got a 28 on the mcat and had a 3.3 GPA now what? I still do not want to go to DO or MD school?

 

[krabmas]

oh whatever. yes, you must know all about me because you read 10 of my posts on sdn. if you are such a genius (*snicker*), why is it so many podiatrist students strive for people to think they went to medical school?

the thing is, there are many medical students who would laugh at this thread and the idea of podatry students claiming they went to medical school. we have worked really hard to be good students to get into medical school. the whole idea of podiatry students claiming to be medical students belittles all of our hardwork. a minimum of 18 to get into podiatry school? give me a break. to get into a decent MD med school you need at least 3.6 and 30 mcat.... it isn't easy to do this.

So is it >than 25 or 30? And is it >3.0 or 3.6? Make up your mind. Supposedly you are smart, you are in med school after all.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

You have got to be kidding me. LOL... I see the trolls on this site have not gotten any better. Podiatry is by no means medical school, not even close. Medical school rewards a MD or DO upon completion. Another thing, you will be limited to treating the FOOT and perhaps the ankle.

If you wish to go to medical school, retake the MCAT and get it above a 25, perhaps get a masters and get your gpa above a 3.0. Then perhaps you will be competitive to entrance into medical school. Gosh, pretty soon chiropractors, dentists, and physical therapists will start claiming they went to medical school.

First, none of the 3 health professionals take classes w/ DOs or MDs, many of us do (not all schools). Second, we can treat any illness whether it is in the foot, ankle, kidney, heart. We can only do surgery in the foot and ankle, but a brain surgeon cannot do surgery outside of the brain. And don't compare scores b/c many of us scored well above your claims. And so of us choose podiatry over DO/MD programs.

Back to the issue at hand, I think we should all contact a moderator and request it to be moved. I understand w/ dentist are under dental school, they are not allowed to admit patients into the hospital. Pods can, they are considered primary physicians. That is why I am tired of the second citizen BS.

 

[IlizaRob]

Wow, another one of these threads. I love how it attracks people like BillClinton. Great name by the way, it really shows your personality. I have to laugh though at the claim that you need a minimum of 3.6 gpa and 30 MCAT to get into med school. What a joke. Especially for DO, people are getting in with 19s and 20s. Just goes to show numbers arent everything as you claim them to be.

Anyway, I dont think SDN is the place that will define our professional integrity and rights in the medical world. I really dont care if we are the top forum or the bottom. Obviously Bill has an insecurity issue so lets just let him make a fool of himself and ignore him. Lets get to more important issues like; whats up with Hilary, is she going to run in the 2008 presidential elections or what? Bill?

 

[jonwill]

You have got to be kidding me. LOL... I see the trolls on this site have not gotten any better. Podiatry is by no means medical school, not even close. Medical school rewards a MD or DO upon completion. Another thing, you will be limited to treating the FOOT and perhaps the ankle.

If you wish to go to medical school, retake the MCAT and get it above a 25, perhaps get a masters and get your gpa above a 3.0. Then perhaps you will be competitive to entrance into medical school. Gosh, pretty soon chiropractors, dentists, and physical therapists will start claiming they went to medical school.

This is a pre-med or MS1 guaranteed!!!

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

This is a pre-med or MS1 guaranteed!!!

He's mad b/c he's going to end up on the ugly end of the GI tract. My aunt works for a proctologist (they call go my GI doctors less sigmatism) so I'm sure this guy will have fun pulling remote controls, GI Joes, and vibrators that are still on, our of peoples rear ends.

Remember for most people in the world, naked from the foot down is much, much better than full nudity.

 

[Dr.Nick]

Hey everybody,

Who is this billclinton joker, look I'm sorry things fell through for your placement into beauty school, but don't bag on podiatrists. Last I checked, at DMU they teach me to practice m-e-d-i-c-i-n-e as a podiatric physician, but now that I think about it maybe all this medical stuff that I'm learning in school will further my education in pig farming. Thanks Bill.... you clownshoes

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Let me also diffuse this bomb before I see 100 posts. I am not suggesting that DPMs treat systemic diseases; I am stating that they can. There are ethical and legal ramifications if they mess up but by the definition of the scope of practice, all systemic diseases affect the foot and ankle that is why we call them systemic. A pod can write a script for a chemotherapeutic drug, but if he writes it wrong he/she will be sued. The same goes for an orthopod who writes a birth control script, he/she can do it but they are open for litigation if they make a mistake.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Although some of you may call me a traitor, I don't see the problem. Dentists went to Dental school just as we went to Podiatry school. The dental students aren't listed under medical school and we shouldn't be listed there either. I don't want you guys to think I'm agreeing with ignorant pricks such as the billclinton guy that posted there (who I feel will probably be at the very bottom of his class and hears how worthless he is from all of his classmates every day of his life so he has to pick on someone), but I really don't see what the big deal is. I made well about a 25 on my MCAT, and had well above a 3.0 GPA and got into a med school, but chose not to attend because I wanted to be a podiatrist. But I knew I was going to Podiatry school, not medical school. Remember, don't let the name fool you though, its every bit as hard. The people I know in med school have seen our tests and totally agree.

Traitor . Here is my newest thought. I don't care about having the pod section separate but I'd like to see the pre-pod area listed under the pre-medical area. If we are looking for the best and brightest students and not the DO/MD leftovers, than we need to be seen on an equal plane in the eyes of prospective students. I'm sure a lot of pre-med students know very little about pod, I know I didn't when I was at that stage. If the pre-pod was listed in the same area it would get more attention and not be a side note on the forum list under "other."

 

[billclinton]

knock on me all you want, it will get you no where. you will still be in podiatry school and no where close ever being a physician. you will be podiatrists that treat medical conditions of the foot and ankle... and nothing more. as much as you wish it to be true, you are not in medical school and probably will never be. some of you chose podiatry school over medical school, but most chose after realizing your dreams of medical school will never be realized. you can talk about how you have the same training and can do the same things as MDs and DOs... but guess what, that is BS. Any lay person knows that podiatrists only treat aspects that deal with the foot and ankle. If they suspect another health problem, they refer out to a MD or DO.

you can talk about students who get into medical school with lower than 30 and lower than 3.5 gpa, but it is relatively uncommon. the avg for MD school is 30 and 3.6. For DO schools the avg is around 25, 3.3. You may say this means nothing and your patients will never care... which you are partartially right. Patients will probably never ask, but they do want a competent person to be their doc and this is the reasons the standards for medical schools are higher than podiatry school. you can complain all you want, this is the truth.

 

[jonwill]

knock on me all you want, it will get you no where. you will still be in podiatry school and no where close ever being a physician. you will be podiatrists that treat medical conditions of the foot and ankle... and nothing more. as much as you wish it to be true, you are not in medical school and probably will never be. some of you chose podiatry school over medical school, but most chose after realizing your dreams of medical school will never be realized. you can talk about how you have the same training and can do the same things as MDs and DOs... but guess what, that is BS. Any lay person knows that podiatrists only treat aspects that deal with the foot and ankle. If they suspect another health problem, they refer out to a MD or DO.

you can talk about students who get into medical school with lower than 30 and lower than 3.5 gpa, but it is relatively uncommon. the avg for MD school is 30 and 3.6. For DO schools the avg is around 25, 3.3. You may say this means nothing and your patients will never care... which you are partartially right. Patients will probably never ask, but they do want a competent person to be their doc and this is the reasons the standards for medical schools are higher than podiatry school. you can complain all you want, this is the truth.

Cardiologists "only" deal with the heart. Neurologists "only" deal with the brain. That's right, EVERYBODY (MD's included) have a limited scope of practice. If I were you, I'd wait to start talking trash until you actually start "medical" school! Your statements ensure that you have not yet done so. You have much to learn about medicine. I can promise you that this immature, naive attitude does not exist in the hospital. Medicine is a profession of specialties. No one can do it all. That would explain referals! Good luck to you Bill. I can promise you that, in a few years, your opinion will drastically change.

 

[N4658H]

knock on me all you want, it will get you no where. you will still be in podiatry school and no where close ever being a physician. you will be podiatrists that treat medical conditions of the foot and ankle... and nothing more. as much as you wish it to be true, you are not in medical school and probably will never be. some of you chose podiatry school over medical school, but most chose after realizing your dreams of medical school will never be realized. you can talk about how you have the same training and can do the same things as MDs and DOs... but guess what, that is BS. Any lay person knows that podiatrists only treat aspects that deal with the foot and ankle. If they suspect another health problem, they refer out to a MD or DO.

In a recent health care management class we were taught that podiatrists are considered physicians by nearly all health care plans including the government. With current training, they are entitled to hospital privileges and allowed to admit. Not new ideas to this forum. Man Bill, my professor who is a top hospital admin and M.D. is such a *******.

 

[Dr.Nick]

Hey everybody,

bill does make a good point. I mean I always make sure that I won't go to physician unless they scored higher than a 30 on their MCATs and , but they also have to do a two-handed backspring with a twist while being blind folded....but that's just me.

 

[IlizaRob]

knock on me all you want, it will get you no where. you will still be in podiatry school and no where close ever being a physician. you will be podiatrists that treat medical conditions of the foot and ankle... and nothing more. as much as you wish it to be true, you are not in medical school and probably will never be. some of you chose podiatry school over medical school, but most chose after realizing your dreams of medical school will never be realized. you can talk about how you have the same training and can do the same things as MDs and DOs... but guess what, that is BS. Any lay person knows that podiatrists only treat aspects that deal with the foot and ankle. If they suspect another health problem, they refer out to a MD or DO.

you can talk about students who get into medical school with lower than 30 and lower than 3.5 gpa, but it is relatively uncommon. the avg for MD school is 30 and 3.6. For DO schools the avg is around 25, 3.3. You may say this means nothing and your patients will never care... which you are partartially right. Patients will probably never ask, but they do want a competent person to be their doc and this is the reasons the standards for medical schools are higher than podiatry school. you can complain all you want, this is the truth.

Bill, you still havent changed, even after office. If I were to tell you that there are podiatrists teaching orthopedic residents how to do surgery and that there are some who are chief of surgery and staff at hospitals would you believe me? Doesnt matter, a fact is a fact. Interesting how allo residents have podiatric physicians as attendings...wait, I thought they knew nothing about medicine.

Any lay person knows that podiatrists only treat aspects that deal with the foot and ankle. If they suspect another health problem, they refer out to a MD or DO.

Well, I sincerely hope so. Anyone who goes to the podiatrist for a brain tumor is an idiot. I hope the lay public realizes this with all medical specialties. Thanks for your time Bill, SDN wouldnt be entertaining without you.

 

[fernj1975]

Let me just preface this by saying that I have nothing against Podiatrist and their profession. They are an integral member of the medical care of many patients (e.g. diabetics). However, they do not attend Medical School they are graduates of Podiatry School. Since they are not graduates of a Medical School they cannot apply for medical residencies and fellowships thus their absence from the medical forum is warranted. Just for argument sake and clarification here are the definition of each of the terms we are throwing around. Just because you are involved in the medical care of a pt doesn't make you a Medical School graduate (e.g. Nurses, Radiology tech, etc...) so that argument doesn't fly.

medical school
n : a graduate school offering study leading to a medical degree [syn: school of medicine]

school of medicine
n : a graduate school offering study leading to a medical degree [syn: medical school]

Medical degree

The Medicinæ Doctor or Doctor of Medicine (M.D, D.O) is a doctorate level degree held by medical doctors. See Physician or Medicine for a fuller discussion of the holders of this degree and their field of study.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_degree

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Let me just preface this by saying that I have nothing against Podiatrist and their profession. They are an integral member of the medical care of many patients (e.g. diabetics). However, they do not attend Medical School they are graduates of Podiatry School. Since they are not graduates of a Medical School they cannot apply for medical residencies and fellowships thus their absence from the medical forum is warranted. Just for argument sake and clarification here are the definition of each of the terms we are throwing around. Just because you are involved in the medical care of a pt doesn't make you a Medical School graduate (e.g. Nurses, Radiology tech, etc...) so that argument doesn't fly.

medical school
n : a graduate school offering study leading to a medical degree [syn: school of medicine]

school of medicine
n : a graduate school offering study leading to a medical degree [syn: medical school]

Medical degree

The Medicinæ Doctor or Doctor of Medicine (M.D, D.O) is a doctorate level degree held by medical doctors. See Physician or Medicine for a fuller discussion of the holders of this degree and their field of study.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_degree

So the M is DPM stands for Money? Where is the M in DO? If you are going to split hairs then a DO program is not medical school. You do not walk out of there w/ a medical doctorate. I'm okay if we are going to split it up like this.

As for the residencies, I got it now, the M in DPM is magic. We magically treat patients w/ our wands and our rain dance. I’m sorry I forgot, there is no medicine in our residencies even though we do rotations in MD/DO "areas". I need to go practice my dancing b/c I'm seeing a patient w/ a calcaneal fracture at 1.

Love
Swift Elk

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Just ignore Bill, he's no long in office. If you don't respond to him, he'll go away.

What I think is ironic is his line the podiatrist is not a physician. It was under the Clinton administration that they define a primary care physician in Medicare and guess what that list included podiatrists. Bill probably forgot b/c no that he is not in office he is inhaling, a lot!

Isn't it ironic, don't you think?

 

[fernj1975]

So the M is DPM stands for Money? Where is the M in DO? If you are going to split hairs then a DO program is not medical school. You do not walk out of there w/ a medical doctorate. I'm okay if we are going to split it up like this.

As for the residencies, I got it now, the M in DPM is magic. We magically treat patients w/ our wands and our rain dance. I’m sorry I forgot, there is no medicine in our residencies even though we do rotations in MD/DO "areas". I need to go practice my dancing b/c I'm seeing a patient w/ a calcaneal fracture at 1.

Love
Swift Elk

I know this is a touchy subject for you but you are being extremely defensive. First of all if you look at the definition D.O are Medical Doctors since they have a medical degree and by definition you can only obtain one from a medical school (school of medicine). As far as your scope of practice, I never said you don't perform medical care. The key word here is medical care, you don't have to graduate from a Medical School to be involved in medical care. Having said that to claim you graduated from medical school you have to have a medical degree (MD or DO).

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

I know this is a touchy subject for you but you are being extremely defensive. First of all if you look at the definition D.O are Medical Doctors since they have a medical degree and by definition you can only obtain one from a medical school (school of medicine). As far as your scope of practice, I never said you don't perform medical care. The key word here is medical care, you don't have to graduate from a Medical School to be involved in medical care. Having said that to claim you graduated from medical school you have to have a medical degree (MD or DO).

I'm not being defensive it is called sarcasm. If you were offended that is you fault, I don't care if you have a sense of humor, I thought it was funny.

My question to you is if we practice medicine and get a doctorate in medicine. How is it not a medical school? MD is a Medical Doctorate. DO is a Doctorate in Osteopathic Medicine. DPM is a Doctorate in Podiatric Medicine. The titles are split b/c of when the program came into existence nothing else.

I didn't say anything about scope, I was referring to the care we give is medicine not magic. We rotate with MDs and DOs, while yes I can not become a cardiologist, what we do is practice medicine.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

Before I write this post I want to write a disclaimer this just a comparison I am not belittling the civil rights movement.

In the 1800s and early 1900s, black Americans were thought to be inferior to whites. Today these thoughts are seen as primitive and ignorant. But in an area like medicine, we still say that I am superior. I am the smartest. Only I am a doctor. That seems primitive and ignorant.

If you get a doctorate in 19th century literature and I get one in Victorian literature, would I claim that I am the only one w/ a doctorate in lit b/c everyone knows that the Victoria age is far superior?

 

[Dr.Nick]

I know this is a touchy subject for you but you are being extremely defensive. First of all if you look at the definition D.O are Medical Doctors since they have a medical degree and by definition you can only obtain one from a medical school (school of medicine). As far as your scope of practice, I never said you don't perform medical care. The key word here is medical care, you don't have to graduate from a Medical School to be involved in medical care. Having said that to claim you graduated from medical school you have to have a medical degree (MD or DO).

How could someone not be defensive to what you are saying? you are trying to insult podiatrists, but in an indirect way. Well I'll show you. I'm going stick this voodoo doll we made in our intro to pod class.....take that

 

[jonwill]

Let me just preface this by saying that I have nothing against Podiatrist and their profession. They are an integral member of the medical care of many patients (e.g. diabetics). However, they do not attend Medical School they are graduates of Podiatry School. Since they are not graduates of a Medical School they cannot apply for medical residencies and fellowships thus their absence from the medical forum is warranted. Just for argument sake and clarification here are the definition of each of the terms we are throwing around. Just because you are involved in the medical care of a pt doesn't make you a Medical School graduate (e.g. Nurses, Radiology tech, etc...) so that argument doesn't fly.

medical school
n : a graduate school offering study leading to a medical degree [syn: school of medicine]

school of medicine
n : a graduate school offering study leading to a medical degree [syn: medical school]

Medical degree

The Medicinæ Doctor or Doctor of Medicine (M.D, D.O) is a doctorate level degree held by medical doctors. See Physician or Medicine for a fuller discussion of the holders of this degree and their field of study.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_degree

I agree with you that all of this terminology gets confusing. Going by your definitions, I would say that we attend podiatric medical school. Many states have us defined as podiatric physicians, while other entities have us defined solely as physicians so it gets quite confusing. While our first few years are equal to MD/DO programs (academics), our last two years do differ. After graduating, we do three year PM&S (podiatric medicine & surgery) residencies. But as far as the word "medicine" goes, there is no difference in hospital privileges or prescribing drugs between MD/DO and DPM. Or in the case of DMU students, they are in one of four programs at the medical school and do a large portion of their education with DO students (so they are enrolled in a medical school). And I think that is why many pods say they go to medical school. This subject is often argued on SDN and I guess it all depends on ones definition but in the end, I really think it just doesn't matter that much! As the lines become blurred with all of the different types of docs, I think it's a lot easier to say that you're in an MD program, DO program, DPM program, etc.

 

[billclinton]

Before I write this post I want to write a disclaimer this just a comparison I am not belittling the civil rights movement.

In the 1800s and early 1900s, black Americans were thought to be inferior to whites. Today these thoughts are seen as primitive and ignorant. But in an area like medicine, we still say that I am superior. I am the smartest. Only I am a doctor. That seems primitive and ignorant.

If you get a doctorate in 19th century literature and I get one in Victorian literature, would I claim that I am the only one w/ a doctorate in lit b/c everyone knows that the Victoria age is far superior?

I do not feel I have belittled the profession of podiatry. I feel the same as fern. Podiatry has it's place. However, podiatrists are not physicians in the truce sense of the word and they do not go to medical school. Podatrists are health professionals, but their training is not as extensive as the training of a MD or DO- hence why they are limited to the foot and ankle. The foot and ankle is the part of the body that is of the minimal importance/least complicated, when compared to the heart, the brain, the kidneys, the lungs, the skin, the eyes, etc, etc. There is a need for the admissions to medical school to be rigorous and to some standard, which is why there are high standards for medical school and not so for podiatry school.

If you were to tell anyone in a hospital that you, as a podiatrist, is a physician , they would laugh at you. Maybe not to your face, but they would behind your back. Heck, you tell the public this, they will laugh at you. Do you watch Seinfeld? Having worked in the health field for 15 years, I can guarentee you this. Claiming that you are a physician would be like a high school track star claiming they're a world class athelete.

 

[IlizaRob]

I know this is a touchy subject for you but you are being extremely defensive. First of all if you look at the definition D.O are Medical Doctors since they have a medical degree and by definition you can only obtain one from a medical school (school of medicine). As far as your scope of practice, I never said you don't perform medical care. The key word here is medical care, you don't have to graduate from a Medical School to be involved in medical care. Having said that to claim you graduated from medical school you have to have a medical degree (MD or DO).

Although I think this topic is rediculous and dont understand why premeds and MS-whatevers get so passionate about it, there is one thing that continues to disturb me about these types of posts. For one, why do SDN'ers always consider something to be "Law" based on its historical background? Lets look at the DOs for example. Wow, historically, they couldnt even get into hospitals, and any MD would laugh at the claim that they went to "medical school". Now literature says that they are in medical school. Im confused. Things change, times change, get used to it.

 

[billclinton]

Although I think this topic is rediculous and dont understand why premeds and MS-whatevers get so passionate about it, there is one thing that continues to disturb me about these types of posts. For one, why do SDN'ers always consider something to be "Law" based on its historical background? Lets look at the DOs for example. Wow, historically, they couldnt even get into hospitals, and any MD would laugh at the claim that they went to "medical school". Now literature says that they are in medical school. Im confused. Things change, times change, get used to it.

DOs are considered physicians because they do the same things as MDs. Their training is equivalent. This is not true for podiatrists. Although they may take similar classes and complete residencies, they're training, the classes they take, and the residencies they complete is not equivalent to that of a MD/DO. Podiatrists do not do the same things that MDs and DOs do. This should not be that hard for you to understand.

 

[Dr_Feelgood]

The foot and ankle is the part of the body that is of the minimal importance/least complicated, when compared to the heart, the brain, the kidneys, the lungs, the skin, the eyes, etc, etc.

Wow for working in health care for 15 years you don't know much. Ask around to orthopods about how easy ankle surgery. I can see importance of the heart, kidney brain. But the heart, kidney, brain are all dumb organs. They have one goal beat, filter, fire. Musculoskeletal diseases are very complicated ask a rheumatologist. Bill, your comments are just filled to the brim w/ ignorance.

P.S. I thought the foot and ankle were covered by skin. I wonder if that layer of stuff is really candy?

 

[jonwill]

If you were to tell anyone in a hospital that you, as a podiatrist, is a physician , they would laugh at you. QUOTE]

Not true. Hospitals are the ones that have defined us AS physicians (ex: VA's have us defined as physicians with surgical services. Most hospitals, however, have us defined as physicians grouped in the ortho department).

 

[IlizaRob]

I do not feel I have belittled the profession of podiatry. I feel the same as fern. Podiatry has it's place. However, podiatrists are not physicians in the truce sense of the word and they do not go to medical school. Podatrists are health professionals, but their training is not as extensive as the training of a MD or DO- hence why they are limited to the foot and ankle. The foot and ankle is the part of the body that is of the minimal importance/least complicated, when compared to the heart, the brain, the kidneys, the lungs, the skin, the eyes, etc, etc. There is a need for the admissions to medical school to be rigorous and to some standard, which is why there are high standards for medical school and not so for podiatry school.

If you were to tell anyone in a hospital that you, as a podiatrist, is a physician , they would laugh at you. Maybe not to your face, but they would behind your back. Heck, you tell the public this, they will laugh at you. Do you watch Seinfeld? Having worked in the health field for 15 years, I can guarentee you this. Claiming that you are a physician would be like a high school track star claiming they're a world class athelete.

You're making an a$$ of yourself Bill. I would do a little more research about the changes of podiatry before you rely on your 15 year old assumptions.

 

[psionic_blast]

You have no idea what you are talking about!!!!! I sit with and take the exact some test an classes as the do at dmu. Do keep talking so ignorantly. Bill clinton likes triangulation being everything to everyone, you sir are not bill clinton you are an imposter.

 

[jonwill]

Although they may take similar classes and complete residencies, they're training, the classes they take, and the residencies they complete is not equivalent to that of a MD/DO.

We take all our classes WITH DO's (same classes and tests)! No one ever said the training was the same. But as far as foot/ankle pathology is concerned, DPM training is far superior to MD/DO. Least complicated part of the body? Now I know you are not an MD/DO! And furthermore, NO WAY am I voting for your wife in 2008

 

[densmore22]

Every MD/DO/healthcare professional that I've talked with and work with has nothing but the upmost respect for DPM's-not one have I talked to has anything bad to say about them or considers them inferior in anyway. This sort of ignorance (BillClinton) will get you no where in life and in practice, the second that anybody you work w/ whether it be an RN to an MD to a receptionist finds out the sort of mental attitude you hold for the people you work with, you will be out of work so damn quick-word of mouth is more powerful than any degree or schooling you can ever get and I know directly, I've worked in an ER for 5 years. Why are we even acknowledging this guy on here, he doesn't deserve any of our time or effort.

 

[MurrayButler]

Traitor . Here is my newest thought. I don't care about having the pod section separate but I'd like to see the pre-pod area listed under the pre-medical area. If we are looking for the best and brightest students and not the DO/MD leftovers, than we need to be seen on an equal plane in the eyes of prospective students. I'm sure a lot of pre-med students know very little about pod, I know I didn't when I was at that stage. If the pre-pod was listed in the same area it would get more attention and not be a side note on the forum list under "other."

I don't consider myself a traitor, and I don't think you do either. I do totally agree with you about the pre-pod listing being under the pre-medical listing. That's a very interesting point and a good idea.

 

[runnersfeet]

Hmmm, whats funny is that you are claiming to be intelligent and claiming to know how podiatrists are seen in the medical field! Do some research on Podiatrists...you are very ignorant. A podiatrist is a physician...they have the EXACT same training, plus additional time spent on foot and ankle so as to specialize in podiatry. What people laugh at is people like you who are so naive. Why do you think pod students qualify for the exact same loans as md and do students? hmmm, that would be because the 3 titles all say the same thing...the student is in medical school!

Schools of Podiatric Medicine...ummm, not the same as a physician assistant program or a nursing program...that is because it is medical school. You are a bit clueless. Yes, podiatry schools are easier to get into than md or do schools, simply because demand is not as high....that does not mean that they are any easier to get through. Yes, some older physicians still see podiatrists as inferior to MDs, but that is because they are not well educated about the profession.

A Podiatrist is a physician...one who specializes in the foot and ankle - and they have been trained in the entire body, just more so on the foot and ankle....but obviously if they are doing surgery on the foot or ankle, they are trained about all medicine! It is scary to think that people like you are out there treating patients...and yet you dont even know what a Podiatrist does. yikes! I hope you arent referring foot/ankle problems out to OBGYNS....they arent doctors are they? they just deliver babies right? haha.

I do not feel I have belittled the profession of podiatry. I feel the same as fern. Podiatry has it's place. However, podiatrists are not physicians in the truce sense of the word and they do not go to medical school. Podatrists are health professionals, but their training is not as extensive as the training of a MD or DO- hence why they are limited to the foot and ankle. The foot and ankle is the part of the body that is of the minimal importance/least complicated, when compared to the heart, the brain, the kidneys, the lungs, the skin, the eyes, etc, etc. There is a need for the admissions to medical school to be rigorous and to some standard, which is why there are high standards for medical school and not so for podiatry school.

If you were to tell anyone in a hospital that you, as a podiatrist, is a physician , they would laugh at you. Maybe not to your face, but they would behind your back. Heck, you tell the public this, they will laugh at you. Do you watch Seinfeld? Having worked in the health field for 15 years, I can guarentee you this. Claiming that you are a physician would be like a high school track star claiming they're a world class athelete.

 

[billclinton]

Hmmm, whats funny is that you are claiming to be intelligent and claiming to know how podiatrists are seen in the medical field! Do some research on Podiatrists...you are very ignorant. A podiatrist is a physician...they have the EXACT same training, plus additional time spent on foot and ankle so as to specialize in podiatry. What people laugh at is people like you who are so naive. Why do you think pod students qualify for the exact same loans as md and do students? hmmm, that would be because the 3 titles all say the same thing...the student is in medical school!

Schools of Podiatric Medicine...ummm, not the same as a physician assistant program or a nursing program...that is because it is medical school. You are a bit clueless. Yes, podiatry schools are easier to get into than md or do schools, simply because demand is not as high....that does not mean that they are any easier to get through. Yes, some older physicians still see podiatrists as inferior to MDs, but that is because they are not well educated about the profession.

A Podiatrist is a physician...one who specializes in the foot and ankle - and they have been trained in the entire body, just more so on the foot and ankle....but obviously if they are doing surgery on the foot or ankle, they are trained about all medicine! It is scary to think that people like you are out there treating patients...and yet you dont even know what a Podiatrist does. yikes! I hope you arent referring foot/ankle problems out to OBGYNS....they arent doctors are they? they just deliver babies right? haha.

ok, let's do a poll in the generaly residency forum or allopathic forum asking whether podiatrists are considered physicians. let's see what the majority says.... i am not belittling the profession, I am only arguing over jargon.

 

[runnersfeet]

yeah, ok, start your poll in the other forums...then go into the real world and do a poll there. Anyone who is educated and up to date on medicine knows clearly that a DPM is a physician. duh. Honestly, it would be like saying a cardiologist is not a physician...would that make sense? they are just a cardiologist? no, just not how it works.

ok, let's do a poll in the generaly residency forum or allopathic forum asking whether podiatrists are considered physicians. let's see what the majority says.... i am not belittling the profession, I am only arguing over jargon.

 

[jack_bauer]

yeah, ok, start your poll in the other forums...then go into the real world and do a poll there. Anyone who is educated and up to date on medicine knows clearly that a DPM is a physician. duh. Honestly, it would be like saying a cardiologist is not a physician...would that make sense? they are just a cardiologist? no, just not how it works.

Cardiologists are board certified in both internal medicine and cardiology. They are some of the smartest people you will ever meet. Please do not compare a cardiologist to a podiatrist.

 

[jonwill]

Let's do a poll to see how many people think Bill is really in medical school Whether you think we are physicians or not is up to you. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's the point of a forum. I'm just pointing out that law and most healthcare entities define us as such, whether you like it or not.

 

[jonwill]

Cardiologists are board certified in both internal medicine and cardiology. They are some of the smartest people you will ever meet. Please do not compare a cardiologist to a podiatrist.

Podiatrists are board certified in forefoot, rearfoot, and ankle reconstructive surgery. They are some of the smartest people you will ever meet! Get my point? I greatly respect cardiologists though (I respect anyone that can put up with IM).