The Hidden Catches of HPSP/USUHS

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Easy for you to say. What would happen to your private practice that you spent years building and invested your life into . . . when you get called up via IRR?

Yeah, but with HPSP residency counts towards paying off IRR time.

So you have what 1 year of IRR time, at most, when your ADO is up, so yes if you start a practice it could get interfered with, but it won't be something that, "you spent years building and investing your life into..."

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Yeah, but with HPSP residency counts towards paying off IRR time.

So you have what 1 year of IRR time, at most, when your ADO is up, so yes if you start a practice it could get interfered with, but it won't be something that, "you spent years building and investing your life into..."

That's true, unless you do a gmo tour and get out, or get civ deferred for residency.

Although, isn't it possible to get called up even after IRR is done if you don't actually resign your comission?
 
"Yeah, but with HPSP residency counts towards paying off IRR time."
I have asked about this more than once, and I have been given to understand by recruiters that military residency both satisfies and incurs commitment in HPSP resulting in a wash, so the final service obligation after residency is four years AD and four IRR.

This is the understanding with which I signed my commission last Monday.
 
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6 weeks left of a 3 year year AF HPSP. I got deferred to the residency of my choice. My Army friend with the same specialty joined the Army and he is now doing a 12 month GMO tour (as a GMO, not the board-certified specialty he is). AF people in my specialty are now going to start deploying and taskings for the Army since the Army docs are so thin. Now, more than ever, for the AF specialties, there will be more upheaval from year to year as far as taskings. Good luck.
 
I have asked about this more than once, and I have been given to understand by recruiters that military residency both satisfies and incurs commitment in HPSP resulting in a wash, so the final service obligation after residency is four years AD and four IRR.

This is the understanding with which I signed my commission last Monday.

Like most recruiters, your recruiter doesn't know what he's talking about.

When you sign up for the Army, it's always a minimum of 8 years time. So if you're active duty for 4 years and retire, you'll still owe another 4 yrs of IRR time to make it a total of 8. But if you do a total of 8 years active duty (mil res + ADSO afterward), then you won't owe IRR.
 
Like most recruiters, your recruiter doesn't know what he's talking about.

When you sign up for the Army, it's always a minimum of 8 years time. So if you're active duty for 4 years and retire, you'll still owe another 4 yrs of IRR time to make it a total of 8. But if you do a total of 8 years active duty (mil res + ADSO afterward), then you won't owe IRR.

Exactly correct on the service time portion - the military signs people up for 8 year MSOs...all soldiers have a statutory 8 year military service obligation, etc., the variation is usually on ACTIVE duty service time.

My only quibble with the above is the use of the word "retire". Gotta use "separate" because the two aren't interchangeable.

Another catch to add to the original thread title that DOES pertain to AD time is when you, as a doc, sign your bonus paperwork. READ THE FREAKING DATES ON WHAT YOU'RE SIGNING. Receiving this bonus DOES obligate you to more service time; HOWEVER this extra service time runs concurrently with your original HPSP commitment.

For example:

You sign up for the 3 year HPSP. Every year once you get your medical license you're eligible for the ASP bonus, which gives 15K in exchange for being a licensed doctor in the Air Force for a year. Say you're already planning to separate after your commitment is done, and want to start your residency on July 1, 2014. With me so far? Because the next is very important.

Get your license in order BEFORE you arrive at your base. That way, when you sign your ASP contract, the sequence of your ASP commitments goes like this:

July 1 2011- June 30 2012 - 15K
July 1 2012 - June 30 2013 - 15K
July 1 2013 - June 30 2014 - 15K

See that? Your ASP commitments run concurrently with your HPSP. However, I know one doc who donked things up and didn't make sure that his ASP paperwork had the correct dates, leaving him with the following:

Aug 15 2011 - Aug 14 2012
Aug 15 2012 - Aug 14 2013

Now in his third year, he had a dilemma. Do you see what it is? That last 15K bonus is going to extend him PAST his original ADSC if he takes the money. He's 45 days off-cycle on the last year, meaning that he either needed to save at least 45 days' terminal leave just to get to his residency on the first day or forego his last $15,000 bonus.

That's a tough pill to swallow. Don't let it happen to you; read the fine print on everything you sign.
 
Hidden Catch #5: Due entirely to addle headed policies advocating "nursing/PA/housekeeper empowerment" in all three branches, you will be subject to two separate chains of command while on active duty: the military chain of command, which wields UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) power over your life; and the emasculated, vestigial medical chain of command, which only carries "advisory" power to the all-mighty military chain. You WILL be commanded by a nurse, pharmacist, physical therapist, or non-clinical M.D. who last touched a patient when you were in 6th grade. Some of these will leave you alone, except for incessant e-mails to keep up your productivity numbers, get your shots, do your after-hours or before-clinic mandatory exercise, and make sure you have hankies in your deployment bag. Others will mistake their military rank for medical competence and second-guess your medical judgment regarding your personal patients. The first time you are ordered to kill a 2 year old child by giving them sedation despite a life-threatening brain hemorrhage because the politically-powerful but clinically-ignorant Vice Commander of the hospital tells you to, you will not be a happy doctor (yes, this happened to a friend of mine). Appeals to your medical chain of command (through your specialty chief, to the SGH [chief of clinical services], to the Consultant for your specialty) will fall on deaf ears...because the OPRs (Officer Performance Reports) of your medical superiors are written by the very fiends who are ordering you to commit what you deem to be malpractice.

Hidden catch #7: You may have heard that the military shields you from the "red tape" of the civilian world. In the words of one poster at SDN, the military only replaced "red tape" with "red barbed wire", such as endless computer based training, mandatory meetings on a daily basis, workload metrics, patient care coding by docs without any support, mindless short notice/no notice taskings (medicolegal reviews, readiness, questionnaires, etc.). I have experienced far less "red tape" by a factor of 1000 in my 1.5 years as a civilian than I experienced during my 15 years as a military doc.

Hidden catch #8: You will be ordered to allow non-physicians to practice essentially independently under the fig leaf of your medical license. In violation of civilian Federal and State law, the military has actively encouraged the independent (mal)practice of CRNAs, NPs, and PAs with inadequate or absent physician supervision. This has been seen as necessary because the current retention rate of M.D.s hovers around the 8% range...while advanced practice nurses, PAs, and other non-M.D. "providers" get a good deal in the military: pay commensurate or better than the outside world, PLUS the ego-boosting chance to gain life or death, UCMJ Command authority over the cowering, low-ranking physicians under them (a situation which essentially never occurs in the outside world). Remember: if a patient dies because of malpractice committed by a PA/CRNA/NP working independently, but your name is on the chart, guess who is going to be reported to the National Practitioner Databank? And do you think that your appeal to the Chain of Command that you never saw the patient, because the system is set up to encourage the independent practice of non-physicians by forcing you to sign charts of patients you were never consulted about, will be grounds for your exoneration, or used as a club to destroy your military career, life, and family in retribution for your "unbecoming conduct" of speaking out in violation of the military medical omerta (code of silence)?

Rob

These points are timeless and heed the warnings. When I was a naive HPSP medical/resident I did not experience those hidden catches. Now as attending I am living with some of them. They are TRUE.

Also I see some Army physicians think that most complaints are from either Navy or AF. Guess again, you will train/work with other braches such as AF, work in AF clnic during certain duty positions and share the misery of AF docs!
 
recruiters definitely do not know what they're talking about. if i had to do it all over again, then i wouldn't. the dates for bonus pay run from july for one bonus and the start of the fiscal year for the other (October 1!). if you want to get out by july 1st (which is when most people enter and leave), then you have to forego that bonus. my last year, my income is down 20% (20k bonus). what employer drops your income 20% on your last year? bollocks.
 
If I do a 3 or 4 year HPSP and serve it all through GMO tours what will be the likely hood of being pulled out in the middle of my residency to be called for being put back onto active duty from the reserve? Would stop loss prevent me from finishing my 3 years of active duty and going to my residency? I most likely want to do my residency in the civilian world after all of my active commitment time has been payed back. Could I be called back up to duty in the future even if I finished my 8 year contract (including the reserve time)?

Thank you
 
If I do a 3 or 4 year HPSP and serve it all through GMO tours what will be the likely hood of being pulled out in the middle of my residency to be called for being put back onto active duty from the reserve?

Unlikely, but not impossible.

Would stop loss prevent me from finishing my 3 years of active duty and going to my residency?

Yes, but only if there was a stop loss in effect for non specialist trained physicians.

I most likely want to do my residency in the civilian world after all of my active commitment time has been payed back. Could I be called back up to duty in the future even if I finished my 8 year contract (including the reserve time)?

As an officer, you can technically be recalled at any point, even after your active and reserve commitments have been met.

Thank you

You're welcome.
 
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