All Branch Topic (ABT) Summary Podcast about pathway through MilMed

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For PREMEDs: Good 30k foot view on what to think about and consider before joining MilMed.

Bottom Line: Spend a lot of time deciding, consider your life 10 to 20 years down the road and always make sure you find a mentor who is 5 to 10 years ahead of you on the path.


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Highly recommended for anyone interested in military medical career to listen to. I rarely have the patience to listen to podcasts, but this one is well worth your time if you are considering a military medical career.

Executive summary of non-retirement parts (first half or so). Comments by me are marked as (comment --MC).
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1) Commitments: Extremely honest and clear discussions of different commitments from ROTC vs. Service Academies vs. HPSP vs. USUHS

The way you look at contract when you're 18 or 21 is different than when you're 39

ROTC vs. Service Academy: you are thinking about how to get school paid for; not thinking about how much revenue I can generate through my career lifespan

<20% of AD physicians have undergrad commitment; normally HPSP or USUHS commitment only as physicians

Remember that you are committing your time down the road when you have a much higher earning potential

2) Money: He notes that remuneration in the military is specialty specific

"In general surgery in the military, you make around 50% of what your peers outside of the military would make. The more specialized you get, this will dip down to 20-25% of what your peers make

"Every year you add to your commitment, you are decrementing your earning potential by that amount."

He advises keeping your commitment as short as possible. That way you have the control if you want to stay in or not.

If your commitment is complete, you can get bonuses that increase your income if you choose to stay in.

3) Skill Atrophy: "What do a lot of military doctors need to do to keep their skills sharp?"

"We generally do not have extremely high acuity/complex patients in our military hospitals" (Outside of Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio/the new Walter Reed=old Naval Hospital Bethesda --MC).

Big differences in military treatment facilities (Walter Reed vs. Offutt). We are much lower volume (than civilian world --MC). It's the nature of our system. There is lots of discussion of skill atrophy, especially with procedural physicians (surgeons, gastroenterologists, interventional radiologists, interventional cardiologists, etc.--MC).

Also, "we're not as busy in the deployed setting as we used to be, so many of our deployments are low volume, which leads to skill atrophy."

"Phenomenon of skill atrophy is real. The military is aware that it's a problem. But until now we don't have a lot of great solutions during your active duty time."

Moonlighting at a busy place is win: win
--get experience and money as 1099 contractor

"If you have a long commitment and have not been able to find a solution to the low volume problem, it may impact your post-military employability:
--How fast are you?
--What are your surgical outcomes?
--Are you going to be competitive in the market?
--What is your career plan for post-military?"

"Not only are you sacrificing revenue down the line while on active duty, you are also existing in a low-volume environment."

Example: Orthopedic surgeon had done total joint fellowship right out of residency before starting military service at Keesler. After four years of doing general orthopedics because he was "one of the few ortho docs we had", he got out of the military and had to repeat the same fellowship over again "because he felt his skills had atrophied in a very narrow, subspecialized area of orthopedics"

4) Skill Maintenance: "Any suggestions for people in the middle of a long commitment to keep skills sharp?"

1) Moonlighting in a busy place-- all off duty employment has to be approved by command, based on local commander. Gets you additional revenue as 1099 contractor. Need to arrange for your own (civilian) malpractice insurance with tail and local state medical licensure. Locums companies can help you with that, so you don't have to do it by yourself, or you can negotiate directly with hospitals.

2) There are some TAAs (training affiliation agreements) -- base lends him downtown to private sector on military time-- basically volunteer work-- no additional revenue generation (over his normal Air Force pay --MC)

90-95% of his volume is TAA-based rather than on base. Air Force has embraced TAAs for a decade; other services are slowly accepting this model. Local politics involved.
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A few counterpoints from the point of view of an anesthesiologist:

1) Most military surgeons worry about skill atrophy from low volume, because they only get maybe one day a week of OR time per surgeon. They like the idea of moonlighting to keep up skills and make bucks. Commanders happily give them permission, because the squadron commanders (or equivalent) are almost always surgeons too.

2) Unlike surgeons, anesthesiologists have been shunted to the biggest (remaining) hospitals, at least in the Air Force. That means that your chance of being assigned to a cushy job in the boonies with a 7:30-2 PM OR schedule three days per week has gone the way of the dodo. All of the remaining outlying hospitals that still do surgery/OB are likely staffed by CRNAs operating completely independently.

3) Thus, anesthesiologists can be forced to work up to seven days per week in the OR, depending on assignment/ops tempo/deployment status, including ridiculous call schedules. I never had any "free time" to moonlight in my 11 years post-residency. Command would have laughed in my face if I had asked for permission, given how tight our staffing was, especially after 1998 or so. Don't even think of moonlighting without command permission.

4) Whereas surgeons worry about low volume and boredom, most military anesthesiologists worry about three major things;

--Being worked to death from short staffing due to dangerous personnel cutbacks/deployments/incapable ROAD scholars on the duty roster who can no longer take call or manage cases;
--Patient safety issues from low volume/high risk surgery by the specialist surgeons that are plonked down in small community hospitals which are no longer safe for any surgery more challenging than lumps and bumps;
--Being micromanaged by pointy-haired surgeon squadron commanders who want to force you to do sexy but dangerous cases to keep their surgical golf buddies happy as your MTF hemorrhages talent and resources to make TRICARE contract corporations happy.

5) When you're a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail. If your podunk, drastically-downsized hospital has a vascular surgeon assigned to it, you will be forced to do one or two AAAs and/or aorto-bifems/year with dramatically worse outcomes than a civilian hospital that does 100/year or more. It's the whole scorpion stinging fable cliche thang. Make sure you keep an OR room free for the inevitable takebacks for bleeding/lost pulses at 0-dark-30.

6) It's not just surgeon or anesthesiologist or nursing or intensivist skill atrophy; it's that the entire system isn't designed for low volume/high risk quality care through the continuum of the patient's stay. Explaining this to surgeons who really, really want to surge on symptomatic anterior mediastinal mass patients will take up more of your time than you can possibly imagine.

7) All of what I said is from my experience as an anesthesiologist from 1994-2005. Much is changing very rapidly. Your mileage may vary. No one knows what military "health care" will look like 8-10 years from now when you finish medical school and residency. However, it is still worthwhile to learn from the past...
 
7) All of what I said is from my experience as an anesthesiologist from 1994-2005. Much is changing very rapidly. Your mileage may vary. No one knows what military "health care" will look like 8-10 years from now when you finish medical school and residency. However, it is still worthwhile to learn from the past...

I think part of your problem was being in the AF. AF always has been smaller with limited opportunities. I interviewed for an AF HPSP scholarship. Glad I didn't get it in retrospect.

My army (surgery) experience in the 90s (90-96) was very different than yours. We did everything and did it well. In fact, our attendings were better trained than most of the local university attendings we worked with and our outcomes every bit as good.

Regardless, we are both dinosaurs regarding our AD time vs the current mil med climate and direction it is taking.

Now, if folks want to serve, I am all about reserves, not AD.
 
I think part of your problem was being in the AF. AF always has been smaller with limited opportunities. I interviewed for an AF HPSP scholarship. Glad I didn't get it in retrospect.

My army (surgery) experience in the 90s (90-96) was very different than yours. We did everything and did it well. In fact, our attendings were better trained than most of the local university attendings we worked with and our outcomes every bit as good.

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Now, if folks want to serve, I am all about reserves, not AD.

You are lucky you got out in 1996. I had no significant complaints or grievances about anything in my premed, medical school, residency, or attending anesthesiologist service until 1998. That's when the chickens of the Air Force Objective Medical Group came home to roost. This virus of intentional neutralization of physicians subsequently infected the Navy and the Army.

The chief anesthesiologist at Naval Hospital Bethesda was fired in 1999 for refusing to implement CRNA independent practice for non-VIPs at the "flagship" of Navy Medicine (where I had trained in 1988 under CAPT [Dr.] Honorato F. Nicodemus in my first rotation of third year at USU; his example of both kindness and brilliance led me to drop my initial interest in primary care and pursue anesthesiology).

In 2007, the acting Surgeon General of the Army was a CRNA. In 2011, the final indignity occurred, which I had predicted in 2006: the actual Surgeon General of the Army was a nurse (the "Nurseon General"). Sadly, AMEDD was not immune from these political forces eager to murder military medicine in favor of "Military Health Care By 'Providers' With Much Less Training But Who Are Cheaper And Who Shut Up About Things Like Dangers to Patients' Lives Or Crimes Against Humanity So As Not To Rock The Boat And Make Rank So They Can Order Around Smarter Doctors With Their Fearsome Clipboards Of Doom".

And thus the Surgeons General and other functionaries presided over the pell-mell privatization of what had once been a proud military medical system, in order to ensure that they got golden parachutes on retirement involving lucrative seats on the boards of the very corporations that are making billions of dollars by NOT providing medical care to military members, their dependents and retirees, and pocketing the bucks when they die prematurely of health care denied and delayed.

All of this sad story explains my nom de guerre, MedicalCorpse, because the Medical Corps I knew was killed off circa 2000 in favor of whatever abomination DHA is forcing down the throats of the few remaining military physicians now and in the near future, which has nothing to do with quality medical care of patients or any rational standard of care as we learned it back in the day.

I only shudder to think what kinds of physicians will be joining the civilian work force after 4 (HPSP), 7 (USU), 8 (ROTC plus HPSP), 11 (ROTC plus USU), or 12 (Service Academy plus USU) or more years of seeing healthy young troops with runny noses and hernias for their entire medical/surgical careers per DHA plans, with the exception of a few scary wars where radiologists will be forced to see sick call and OB/GYNs will be forced to be trauma surgeons due to Sheer Poor Planning (R)(TM), to the permanent detriment of our brave young active duty folks who expected better from the military "Health Care" system...

Peace,

P.S. The current reserve system for physicians deserves a separate post. Air Force CCATT docs on deployment are being put into chalks commanded by nurse OICs. To add insult to injury, their Flight Commander at the AEOT will be an incompetent nurse ROAD scholar, while their SQ/CC is a tyrannical flyer with zero knowledge about anything medical. And yet, said SQ/CC in charge of medics will excrete edicts about punishing airmen who "intentionally trigger quarantine" by catching COVID-19 by accident at the Shoppette through illegal theft of their annual leave, because he has no conception what the words "variable incubation period of a virus" mean, and is too stupid and arrogant to ask the WHO-trained infectious disease CCATT doc under his command for advice on this issue before spewing rank nonsense, as a theoretical example, of course...
 
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