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Interestingly, KCUMB fired the president. The DO profession is ass-backwards at times.
For every USMG that takes a year off there is likely a USMG that is coming back from taking a year off so the net effect of this is effectively zero.
Wake up people. The Carib schools are all terminally ill. US health reform just passed and includes $400 billlion in Medicare cuts. Medicare is what funds residency spots - hence no added funded for more residency spots will be happening.
Even the osteopathic schools are worried about their survival. Dr. Pletz who was an excellent President of KCUMB osteopathic school for 14 years admitted this in the following email and was later terminated for revealing the truth. Do you think Carib faculty will talk honestly about the fact that there schools are in death spirals? They don't want to lose their jobs either. Here is the email and link:
Link: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=9006616&postcount=86
If anyone who reads this decides to spend big bucks to go to a Carribean school expecting to do a US residency do not say you have not been warned.
i don't see how it's harder for canadians to get into med school... ~17 canadian med schools and population ~33.5 milion canadians vs. ~114 us med schools and population ~300 million americans...
then consider an applicant such as myself... from california... we have 8 md schools and about 36 million people...
the ratios don't speak for themselves?
I didn't want to start another thread for this but I have a question regarding this topic.
If someone is interested primarily in doing Anesthesia/Emergency room medicine, but also had interest in Family Practice, would going to SGU be a good option or no?
I did see on the SGU site that 6 % get Anesthesia and 5 % get ER but are these stats good or bad compared to the lower tier US schools?
My GPA is not the problem (3.75 in Biochemistry at state university) the MCAT is the big problem with me. I see your point about the boards and all, but I am sure MANY people don't do well on MCAT and do very well on their boards. The test are extremely different from what I hear, though they are both standardized test.
The USMLE will test me on knowledge that I need to learn to become a good doctor right? Not on the speed of a sled at the end of an incline, or Shakespeare's critics throughout the years. I do better on test that actually contain material that is applicable to what I want to do
But if I were interested primarily in Internal Medicine then going to Carib would not be that bad of an option right? Not like I need really good board scores for those specialties right? Or does the problem run deeper that that and they just can't pass the boards period?
But if I were interested primarily in Internal Medicine then going to Carib would not be that bad of an option right? Not like I need really good board scores for those specialties right? Or does the problem run deeper that that and they just can't pass the boards period?
But if I were interested primarily in Internal Medicine then going to Carib would not be that bad of an option right? Not like I need really good board scores for those specialties right? Or does the problem run deeper that that and they just can't pass the boards period?
Alright, so when is it OK to apply to Carib? I understand if I had a 2.0 I would probably go immediately...... but after how many years and how many MCATs do you finally just do it? I don't want to apply year after year and THEN go to the Carib, then I wasted a couple years of my life and STILL ended up in the same place. Oh and DO, is not an option for me.
just always wanted to go MD
I think you should read aboutjust always wanted to go MD
Considered I never heard of DO before starting the medical school application process, and a lot of people I know haven't even heard of it, it seems at though the general public don't know much about what a DO is.
Now I know that there is pretty much no difference, but I would think that it wouldn't look good. But that's just my opinion, I know there is nothing wrong with DO, its just not for me.
And believe me, I am taking the advice on this board very seriously. I have all but decided to try another year.... but only to MD schools. I am thankful for all of the advice given to me as well, I now feel more informed on the entire ordeal
I think you should read about
1. The increasing number of seats in US MD and US DO schools
2. The lack of proportional increase in residency spots
3. The Carribean bias vs the DO bias come residency interview and match time
4. Consider that DO's have their own residencies as well as MD residencies and can sign outside the match for MD residencies (like Carribean grads and IMG grads)
5. Consider the support systems (should you struggle at any point in medical school) of DO schools vs that of Caribbean schools
Then, way farther down the list...
6. Location
7. Climate
8. Curriculum (preclinical and clinical)
Etc...
According to your post history you have a 21 MCAT right now. Nobody with a 3.75 in biochem should be scoring that. You need to think about test taking strategies, work on pacing, and apply them to the many, many practice tests you should be taking. You should be scoring at least a 10 on the BS section, a 8 on the PS, and a 9-10 on the VR.
Anyway if I were you I'd apply DO and Caribbean MD and consider the above before I made a decision. If you hit 27+ I'd also try for a few reachable US MD schools. You should not shut the DO option out. You have to weigh your desire for the MD initials with your ability to obtain the residency you want after you graduate.
The "general public" will not be the people hiring you. Anyway I've been following an SGU 4th years posts, RussianJoo. He's interviewing for residencies right now so if I were you I'd get his opinion on the matter as well.
People keep suggesting the DO option instead of MD as if it was a simple thing. The person is saying she or he has never heard of DO yet you suggesting they apply to DO.
BTW, RussionJo, considering you go to SGU you are very negative about your decision. From my knowledge of reading your posts you have never been the most amazing student and SGU did give you a chance to become a doctor. Also you are having a lot of stress right now since you are waiting to find out if you will have a residency spot and all... but I am sure once you match you will start singing a different tune.
Useful info as per usual
Considered I never heard of DO before starting the medical school application process, and a lot of people I know haven't even heard of it, it seems at though the general public don't know much about what a DO is.
Now I know that there is pretty much no difference, but I would think that it wouldn't look good. But that's just my opinion, I know there is nothing wrong with DO, its just not for me.
And believe me, I am taking the advice on this board very seriously. I have all but decided to try another year.... but only to MD schools. I am thankful for all of the advice given to me as well, I now feel more informed on the entire ordeal
Do you feel that Emergency Medicine is as competitive for Caribbean grads? I am still strongly considering SGU for several reasons like my 3.2 GPA (bad freshman/sophomore years good junior/senior) and the fact that my girlfriend would be applying with me and she has even less competitive stats. I received a 33 on the MCAT and she got a 30 so we aren't bad standardized test takers. This makes me less concerned about failing the boards. What I mean is that I take tests well and I would pour my heart and soul into it as I did with the MCAT.
I have spoken with 10+ people that are friends of mine or friends of friends and they have loved their experiences down there and have gotten into residencies. I realize this doesn't mean that I necessarily would. I have no problem going to a DO school but I am already 26 years old. I would be 28 by the time that I start which I am not keen on.
TL;DR - I like Emergency Medicine, I do well on tests, and I don't want to wait but I am nervous about the caribbean.
yeah i had a tough time adjusting to the work load at first but i definitely over came my struggles. Like I said above I am applying to anesthesiology, and would only do that if I knew I was a competitive candidate. I got nothing to hide. my cumulative GPA is 3.34, my step1 score is 227/95, step2 score is 231/95, i am not amazing by any standards but i am slightly above average for anesthesiology. I applied to 70 programs and have 7 interviews, which gives me about a 60% chance of matching. I am very happy with my experiences at SGU, SGU is a solid school, they have a great support system and kind and understanding deans of students. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that if I was a DO student with those stats applying to anesthesiology I would have twice as many interviews and would have a virtually 100% chances of matching. Even if after I match I'll still be telling people to strongly consider a DO school over SGU, because your life when applying to residency programs will be much easier.
so just to say it again the only reason i feel negative about my decision to go to SGU is because right now based on the people I've run into on the interview trail I strongly believe that I would have more residency interviews and a much better chance of matching into the specialty of my choice, that's it. otherwise i had an amazing time on the island, and feel that the school does a great job at teaching and supporting it's students. It's not the schools fault that the residency program directors at many places discriminate against IMGs, and prefer to take DO's or AMGs with lower stats.
Do you feel that Emergency Medicine is as competitive for Caribbean grads? I am still strongly considering SGU for several reasons like my 3.2 GPA (bad freshman/sophomore years good junior/senior) and the fact that my girlfriend would be applying with me and she has even less competitive stats. I received a 33 on the MCAT and she got a 30 so we aren't bad standardized test takers. This makes me less concerned about failing the boards. What I mean is that I take tests well and I would pour my heart and soul into it as I did with the MCAT.
I have spoken with 10+ people that are friends of mine or friends of friends and they have loved their experiences down there and have gotten into residencies. I realize this doesn't mean that I necessarily would. I have no problem going to a DO school but I am already 26 years old. I would be 28 by the time that I start which I am not keen on.
TL;DR - I like Emergency Medicine, I do well on tests, and I don't want to wait but I am nervous about the caribbean.
Keep in mind that this is from SGU. I did not go to SGU. My GPA and USMLE scores are better than this, and Im applying for Internal Medicine. And I am having an infinitely harder time than RJ.
Also keep in mind that if you are a DO you WILL get a residency... especially because they have their own residency programs, and their own Match... in addition to being able to use the Allopathic match.
Last years match rate for US-IMGs... which include all the carib schools, plus many US students who go to the UK, Poland, India, etc... was 37%
This year's will be a bloodbath.
yeah i had a tough time adjusting to the work load at first but i definitely over came my struggles. Like I said above I am applying to anesthesiology, and would only do that if I knew I was a competitive candidate. I got nothing to hide. my cumulative GPA is 3.34, my step1 score is 227/95, step2 score is 231/95, i am not amazing by any standards but i am slightly above average for anesthesiology. I applied to 70 programs and have 7 interviews, which gives me about a 60% chance of matching. I am very happy with my experiences at SGU, SGU is a solid school, they have a great support system and kind and understanding deans of students. However, this doesn't take away from the fact that if I was a DO student with those stats applying to anesthesiology I would have twice as many interviews and would have a virtually 100% chances of matching. Even if after I match I'll still be telling people to strongly consider a DO school over SGU, because your life when applying to residency programs will be much easier.
so just to say it again the only reason i feel negative about my decision to go to SGU is because right now based on the people I've run into on the interview trail I strongly believe that I would have more residency interviews and a much better chance of matching into the specialty of my choice, that's it. otherwise i had an amazing time on the island, and feel that the school does a great job at teaching and supporting it's students. It's not the schools fault that the residency program directors at many places discriminate against IMGs, and prefer to take DO's or AMGs with lower stats.
Sometimes you have to take the chance and plan ahead. Getting a residency is a lot about who you know. Not just scores. It is easier if you graduate in the USA.
However, considering my own experience, I will tell you I am much happier being an SGU IMG MD than being a DO.
So the consensus is that US DO >> Carib MD?
Do DO schools start in Spring and Fall or just fall like MD? Also, is the application process the same as far as applying about a year ahead of time?
So the consensus is that US DO >> Carib MD?
Do DO schools start in Spring and Fall or just fall like MD? Also, is the application process the same as far as applying about a year ahead of time?
Good for you. You worked hard and you got more chances. Anesthesiology is a very competitive residency to get in to. So you are not surprises about the number of interviews you got. Also if you did do step2cs earlier you would have had more invites. Hopefully it works out.
I agree that the education at SGU is great and overall I am very satisfied with my Basic Science years and so far very impressed with clinics. I am rotating along US med student and I don't feel lacking in anyway. I actually feel very well prepared.
yeah but my point is DO's with the same stats are getting double the interview numbers and many with lower scores than mine have the same number of interviews as me, meaning it's only competitive for IMGs. if you're a US grad be it DO or AMG Ansethesia isn't that competitive, and is definitely not considered a very competitive specialty.
RussianJoo,
You are an excellent and insightful poster and I wish you the best of luck in the upcoming match.