respect for optometrists?

[healthystudent]

do physicians respect optometrists' opinions and the profession of optometry? is optometry considered a high status profession in the US?

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[SomeDoc]

do physicians respect optometrists' opinions and the profession of optometry? is optometry considered a high status profession in the US?

I suggest you read the ophthalmology faq in the ophthalmology forum to get a helpful idea on differences between practice rights of OD's and MD/DO eye surgeons. You're better off doing that than getting responses from medical students who have limited field experience in the fields of optometry and/or ophthalmology, and/or on issues concering the legal or professional milieu regarding state-specific practice rights. I also suggest you peruse posts in the OD forum. Good luck.

 

[RxWildcat]

Well said SomeDoc.

 

[Law2Doc]

do physicians respect optometrists' opinions and the profession of optometry? is optometry considered a high status profession in the US?

While I don't think most physicians "disrespect" ancillary professionals, and it is acknowledged that in this day of expensive healthcare, having folks see anyone with some training about their health issues is better than nothing, (particularly with respect to things that are best caught early, like glaucoma), I doubt you'd ever see a physician refer a patient with an eye issue to an optometrist over an ophthalmologist. If it's a medical issue, a physician is generally going to refer to a physician when possible (Exceptions exist -- physicians regularly refer appropriate patients to podiatry, acupuncture. But I've not seen referrals to optometrists). I don't know if that's what you considered respect or high status. Status is generally how the lay public regards you, not other professions.

 

[njbmd]

Moved to the Ophthalmology forum where physicians who deal with eye problems might have input.

 

[KHE]

do physicians respect optometrists' opinions and the profession of optometry? is optometry considered a high status profession in the US?

This should go well......

 

[7ontheline]

LOL OPTOMETRISTS ARE TEH SUCK AMIRITE OR AMIRITE

Seriously though, there's a lot of bad blood between the professions of ophthos and optos, but much less so out in actual practice. Both sides have tried to push some overreaching legislation through various state governments - for instance, ODs have tried to magically become surgeons by passing laws, while MDs have argued that allowing ODs to use eyedrops would lead to mass genocide.

That said, the answer to your question depends on the situation. There are good optometrists and lousy optometrists, just like good MDs and bad MDs. For basic well eye care I think ODs are generally capable. I have never encountered an OD who I thought ought to be treating glaucoma, but then again a lot of MDs are not particularly good at it either.

 

[Meibomian SxN]

LOL OPTOMETRISTS ARE TEH SUCK AMIRITE OR AMIRITE

Seriously though, there's a lot of bad blood between the professions of ophthos and optos, but much less so out in actual practice. Both sides have tried to push some overreaching legislation through various state governments - for instance, ODs have tried to magically become surgeons by passing laws, while MDs have argued that allowing ODs to use eyedrops would lead to mass genocide.

That said, the answer to your question depends on the situation. There are good optometrists and lousy optometrists, just like good MDs and bad MDs. For basic well eye care I think ODs are generally capable. I have never encountered an OD who I thought ought to be treating glaucoma, but then again a lot of MDs are not particularly good at it either.

High status professions are usually professions that entail years of training (more than a 3 yr residency) and countless hours in the hospital. And also maybe some blood & gore stories from the OR/ICu like on television.

I get referrals from many MDs (peds, neuro, primary etc) but they are generally non-surgical. Ophthalmologists are surgeons primarily and Optometrists are primary care eye doctors; or as some MD job offers describe as (medical ophthalmologist?).

If a physician knows the extent of training of another doctor then they will generally "respect them." A recent study showed that bypass surgery was more beneficial than interventional cardiologists doing stents, but that doesnt mean the disrepect each other. I have patients who love their chiropractor more than their orthopedic surgeon. And 30% of Americans approve of our current President, the highest of professions...

Respect is all in the EYES of the beholder

 

[Oculomotor]

Dude,

Ophthalmologists always respect the $referrals$ from optometrists just like any businessmen would! There are some MD's that don't respect any other practitioners outside of thier own realm, some are indifferent, some are very respecting of non-MD doctors such as optometrists, podiatrists, and dentists (these are the ones that make the most money and have the best relationships with other practitioners). Realize one thing that optometrists, podiatrists, and dentists, are all INDEPENDENT Doctorate level practioners just like MD's albeit working in a limited scope of practice. Trying to pine for respect from MD's is the wrong way to approach professional self-esteem. I have several friends in Medical School and the indoctrination starts from the beginning. The people's opinions you should be concerned with are your future patients. They will respect you as thier "eye doctor" and that is rewarding within itself. No matter what any arrogant, narrow minded, MD (not all of them) thinks about you is a waste of your time to worry about. Case in point--today I was on an elevator at my school with an MD (not affiliated with my school) and he kept staring at my white coat at my label "student optometric physician" and I could tell that he was not too happy about it! lol He asked me, " So you are in medical school?"---obviously he knew that I was not and was attempting to deride me. I replied, "Actually I am in the doctor of optometry program (I emphasized the word doctor) and I am training to become a primary eye care physician." He just gave me an uncomfortable smile and I said as I stepped of the elevator, "We will both be physicians some day!" The look on his face was worth several Kodak moments! He was an "old school" MD that couldn't hide the disdain towards my labeling and I just enjoyed every minute of it! Ignorance (this idiot's reaction to me) still exists and always will. The fact is that if you become an optometrist you are becoming a primary eye doctor who will help a lot of people and that is something to be very proud of. Most people that matter will respect you.

 

[4Eyes]

I'm not sure that's the best way to get good discussion going....

And am I really in the minority as an OD who doesn't like the term "optometric physician"?

Anyway, I'm a recent OD grad, but I can tell you my experience so far from this end. MOST OMDs in the real world are respectful of ODs. For the most part, we get along fine. There are a couple of OMDs in town that steal patients (for example...send them for cataract surgery and you never get them back for so much as a refraction). I wouldn't consider that respectful, but that is the exception to the rule.

As far as interacting with other MDs, it's not uncommon for ODs to do annual DM eye exams, especially if it's well-controlled. I've had a lot of diabetics come in and say, "Yeah, I'm diabetic and my doctor said I should get my eyes checked." And I'll absolutely write a letter back to their primary PCP/endocrinologist.

 

[PDT4CNV]

Dude,

Ophthalmologists always respect the $referrals$ from optometrists just like any businessmen would! There are some MD's that don't respect any other practitioners outside of thier own realm, some are indifferent, some are very respecting of non-MD doctors such as optometrists, podiatrists, and dentists (these are the ones that make the most money and have the best relationships with other practitioners). Realize one thing that optometrists, podiatrists, and dentists, are all INDEPENDENT Doctorate level practioners just like MD's albeit working in a limited scope of practice. Trying to pine for respect from MD's is the wrong way to approach professional self-esteem. I have several friends in Medical School and the indoctrination starts from the beginning. The people's opinions you should be concerned with are your future patients. They will respect you as thier "eye doctor" and that is rewarding within itself. No matter what any arrogant, narrow minded, MD (not all of them) thinks about you is a waste of your time to worry about. Case in point--today I was on an elevator at my school with an MD (not affiliated with my school) and he kept staring at my white coat at my label "student optometric physician" and I could tell that he was not too happy about it! lol He asked me, " So you are in medical school?"---obviously he knew that I was not and was attempting to deride me. I replied, "Actually I am in the doctor of optometry program (I emphasized the word doctor) and I am training to become a primary eye care physician." He just gave me an uncomfortable smile and I said as I stepped of the elevator, "We will both be physicians some day!" The look on his face was worth several Kodak moments! He was an "old school" MD that couldn't hide the disdain towards my labeling and I just enjoyed every minute of it! Ignorance (this idiot's reaction to me) still exists and always will. The fact is that if you become an optometrist you are becoming a primary eye doctor who will help a lot of people and that is something to be very proud of. Most people that matter will respect you.

Most physicians in any specialty appreciate the help of auxillary health-care providers whether it is pharmacists, physical therapists, optometrists, or others. However, the term physican refers specifically to those with a medical degree. I'm not sure why you find the traditional professional title of optometrist or optometry student inadequate. You should be proud of your profession and not try to distort the title by adding physician on to it.

Because this physician in the elevator, at least by your impression, did not like the term "student optometric physician" does not necessarily make him "old school" or ignorant or an idiot. He along with many physicians and optometrists don't think that is an appropriate title. I'm sorry.

 

[Eyefixer]

Most physicians in any specialty appreciate the help of auxillary health-care providers whether it is pharmacists, physical therapists, optometrists, or others. However, the term physican refers specifically to those with a medical degree. I'm not sure why you find the traditional professional title of optometrist or optometry student inadequate. You should be proud of your profession and not try to distort the title by adding physician on to it.

Because this physician in the elevator, at least by your impression, did not like the term "student optometric physician" does not necessarily make him "old school" or ignorant or an idiot. He along with many physicians and optometrists don't think that is an appropriate title. I'm sorry.

PDT4CNV, don't apologize. This is just a small glimpse of discussions and thinking that are going on in optometric forums and listservs. To sum up, their party line is they are the eye doctors and can do everything better then ophthalmologists outside the OR (and that's until they get surgical privileges in every state). My advice is don't waste your time arguing here; it's useless.

 

[4Eyes]

This is just a small glimpse of discussions and thinking that are going on in optometric forums and listservs. To sum up, their party line is they are the eye doctors and can do everything better then ophthalmologists outside the OR (and that's until they get surgical privileges in every state).

Please believe me when I say they are the vocal minority. It's by no means the norm.

 

[Oculomotor]

By the way , PDT4CNV, I am not training to earn my doctor of optometry degree to be what you call an, "auxillary health care" provider. Optometrists are PRIMARY EYE CARE DOCTORS----an independent profession--you as an ophthalmologist are going to be helping me with patients I will refer for surgery. 75% of the primary eye care in this country is provided by Optometrists ---this is not "auxillary" So I guess you think that podiatrists and dentists are also auxillary providers too.......Please stop trying to diminish optometrists comparing them to physical therapists or pharmacists who are not prescribers, do not treat medical pathology, and are not "port of entry" providers in the same sense as OD's. Optometrists are doctors whether you want to recognize it or not.

As to the Optometric Physician title----it is justified and I know PLENTY of OD's in Florida that use it---it is very common actually. It is like my attending who has been an inspiration to me, "Optometrists are primary eye care physicians plain and simple."

And yes EyeFixer OD"s are the best primary eye care doctors because we train for years to do just that. PDT4CNV, you guys are the eye surgeons and specialists.

I make no apologies for anything that I said here. OD's are physicians too.

 

[Oculomotor]

My future sign for my practice,


Dr. So and So, Optometric Physician
Eye Diseases, Injuries, and Primary Vision Care

Specializing in the Medical Treatment of:

• Dry Eye Disease
• Eye Infections
• Eye Allergies
• Eye Pain & Inflammation
• Glaucoma
• Eye Surgical Co-Management

and guess what? PDT4CNV--the ophthalmologists will be happy to get my referrals and we will both make good $$$$$$$.

I HAVE SEEN ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS HERE IN FLORIDA SIMILAR ADVERTISEMENTS FOR OD'S PRACTICES.

 

[hello07]

As a practicing and very competent optometrist, I have never referred myself to as "optometric physician." This title is recognized by a very small # of OD's across the country. Personally, I am very proud of my profesion and alweays been happy to be called an optometrist. I know my clinical capabilities to the fullest extent law permitting. "Optometric physician" is a cry for help for those few OD's who might be suffering from low self -esteem or need higher recognition than need be. Perhaps, one can make an argument stems from inferiority or superiority complex. ? Don't know which one.

Oculomotor, I've been going back and forth with you over the pas 2 years or so. You're not even an OD yet, and you just think too highly of yourself. Dude, you're not a neurosurgeon. wake up!

 

[MAYOphtho]

Oculomotor, I've been going back and forth with you over the pas 2 years or so. You're not even an OD yet, and you just think too highly of yourself. Dude, you're not a neurosurgeon. wake up!

Like I said before, it seems to be the students on here that try to fan the fires more than anyone...as a resident I dont think I still even know enough about both sides to validly speak one way or another against a lot of the OD/OMD arguments, so I certainly dont see why students are picking fights on here

 

[leagueelbow]

"Optometric physician" is a cry for help for those few OD's who might be suffering from low self -esteem or need higher recognition than need be.

I nearly aspirated my cereal upon reading this.

 

[Eyefixer]

As a practicing ophthalmologist in private practice, I can honestly tell you that I am impressed how much you are learning about "optometric business" already. I sure did not learn anything like that in my residency.

I don't personally want (and look for) optometric referrals. In my experience, optometrists are very capricious and often paranoid about "stealing patients".

Good luck to you and remember you are not the only one committed to patient education. Most of us are also very proactive in terms of patient education regarding competency and level of training .

My future sign for my practice,


Dr. So and So, Optometric Physician
Eye Diseases, Injuries, and Primary Vision Care

Specializing in the Medical Treatment of:

• Dry Eye Disease
• Eye Infections
• Eye Allergies
• Eye Pain & Inflammation
• Glaucoma
• Eye Surgical Co-Management

and guess what? PDT4CNV--the ophthalmologists will be happy to get my referrals and we will both make good $$$$$$$.

I HAVE SEEN ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS HERE IN FLORIDA SIMILAR ADVERTISEMENTS FOR OD'S PRACTICES.

 

[Oculomotor]

Hello 07 I missed you-- dear dear friend!!!!!! How are things pal?

Well Hello 07, using your myopic logic, all of these OD's and OD organizations have inferiority complexes!

OD organizations that use "Optometric Physician"

http://www.cfsop.org/

http://fopn.org/

http://www.eyes.org/

http://www.proactod.org/

http://www.oregonoptometry.org/index.asp

http://www.oaop.com/

http://www.njsop.org/

OD's that use Optometric Physician

http://www.centerforsight.net/doctors-staff/ (look in the middle)

http://www.drloring.optometry.net/PracticeTemplates/index.aspx?user_data_id=2398

http://www.visionsource-perryeyecare.com/

http://www.deerwoodfamilyeyecare.optometry.net/PracticeTemplates/index.aspx?user_data_id=809

http://www.naymz.com/search/gary/wasserman/2620

http://www.drbrucemeyer.com/

http://www.eyewerks-inc.com/

http://www.kennethbairod.com/ourpractice.htm


I could fill pages and pages with hundreds of these if I wanted too!

Wow Hello-----I guess all of these O.D.'s have inferiority complexes?

Nonsense----why do you care so much if an O.D. wants to use a "legal" title in the state they practice in? I am in optometry school and I can say that the training we recieve now trains us to be optometric physicians. And you see hello, I am proud of my school, proud of that title. and contrary to what you think I have self-confidence (not an inferiority or superiority complex)---you are the one who seems unsure of yourself.

PS: hello, I am only 2+ yrs away from having that OD--lol you think you dislike my opinions now just wait!!!!!! Oh ya and the same goes for eyestrain (know it all.)

 

[Oculomotor]

MAYOphtho,

I am not trying to "fan fires" here.....I am just standing up for my future title and what I believe is my moral obligation towards my profession. I don't deride the skills of ophthalmologists--I never have...BUT there are a number of OMD's, OMD residents, and medical students (that know as much about the eye as I know about nuclear physics LOL) that will be devisive and derogatory towards OD's, their training, and the right to use a title. The real world is different than here---everybody usually puts up a "professional front" and then says what they want behind closed doors. I have several friends back home that are ophthalmologists and they tell me everything. So just because I am a "student" doesn't mean I am not a very intelligent and educated person.

 

[leagueelbow]

I actually have no interest in optometry or ophthalmology.

In perusing through here though, I am happy to be applying for a field where there's no power struggle, one-sided as it may be, with mid-level care providers.

If optometrists don't fall under the umbrella of mid-level care providers, let me be the first to apologize. And save the flames for someone who will engage you in a heated debate. It won't be me.

 

[4Eyes]

I stay out of these kinds of threads in the OD forums because all the arguing and posturing kinda gets on my nerves and I just don't want to deal with it. But we need to be very aware of how we carry ourselves because these are the people we're going to be working with for the rest of our careers, like it or not. I'm just out of school, and I never had an issue with this, nor did any of my classmates.... Why the power struggle? Why so insistent on the word "physician"? Do some schools drill you on semantics? I went to optometry school, I'm an optometrist. I learned a lot about disease in my training...there are many things I'm comfortable diagnosing and treating, but I also know my limitations and I'll refer if necessary. So why get so bent out of shape over terminology? It doesn't change what you do...all it does is ruffle feathers, which is a detriment IMHO...it certainly doesn't earn you respect for your education and knowledge.

Some people cite CMS definitions to justify the term "optometric physician." Okay, fine, for certain purposes they might put us in the physician category. But that's just so we're reimbursed the same in those cases that we do the same thing. Physician = MD or DO. To apply the term elsewhere is misleading. This is coming from an OD. But I'm beating a dead horse here. It's not like those who call themselves optometric physicians are going to suddenly change their minds. But I still maintain that it's the minority, and I really believe it's going to stay that way.

 

[orbitsurgMD]

do physicians respect optometrists' opinions and the profession of optometry? is optometry considered a high status profession in the US?

By and large, the respect is mutual in healthy practice communities. It is usually only among the less than healthy communities where there is animosity. Most optometrists who are not compromised by co-management arrangements know where to send their patients and if they are responsible for their patients general eye care, know when it is time to refer. Most ophthalmologists are generally appreciative of the better training of optometrists in recent years and recognize their work as valuable to patients and to the communities. Remember, at any given time, there are only about 14,000 or fewer ophthalmologists practicing. That is not enough to serve the whole range of needs in eye care in this country if we are to meet the needs and expectations of our population of 300 million.

At the same time, there are optometrists who believe legislative fiat rather than rigorous training and examination is a way to extend practice scope into areas not taught in optometry schools--namely laser and conventional surgery. There is a well-established and available path for those who want to do eye surgery, including laser surgery, namely medical school and ophthalmology residency. The main source of concern for most reasonable ophthalmologists who are otherwise favorably disposed to optometry is about this particular issue.

 

[Oculomotor]

leagueelbow

Actually, optometrists, dentists and podiatrists do not fall under the definition of a mid-level provider because they are autonomous, independent, doctorate level practitioners assuming 100% liability for their decisions within their scope of practice. Physician assistants and Nurse Practitioners who have supervision by a physician (can be on site, off-site, direct, or indirect) with the physician assuming 100% liability for their services are mid-level providers.

Definition of a mid-level provider

Definition of a Mid-level provider: A mid-level provider, sometimes referred to simply as a "mid-level", is a clinical medical professional who provides patient care under the supervision of a physician. Mid-levels include nurse practitioners (NP), physician assistants (PA), and CRNAs. Mid-level providers can examine patients, diagnose them, and provide some treatments, all of which must be signed off by a supervising licensed physician. Also known as physician extenders.

http://healthcareers.about.com/od/n/g/mid-level.htm

midlevel provider–eg, nurse practitioner, physician assistant, etc, whose activities are directed and/or dictated by a supervising physician on whom liability for those activities rest

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/midlevel+provider

Midlevel provider--[FONT=arial,helvetica]Mid-level providers serve in collaborative roles with physicians in all specialties in acute care and clinic settings. Both nurse practitioners and physician assistants are nationally certified and state licensed to provide diagnostic, treatment and follow-up care under the direction of a physician.

http://www.stjohns.com/healthypeople/072002/0702-018.aspx


Hope this helps....

.

 

[qwopty99]

As a practicing ophthalmologist in private practice, I can honestly tell you that I am impressed how much you are learning about "optometric business" already. I sure did not learn anything like that in my residency.

I don't personally want optometric referrals. In my experience, optometrists are very capricious and often paranoid about "stealing patients".

Good luck to you and remember you are not the only one committed to patient education. Most of us are also very proactive in terms of patient education regarding competency and level of training .

How ironic that you should not want optometric referrals.

Isn't it those very patients that would benefit most from your patient education regarding competency and level of training?

 

[alleyesonme]

I don't deride the skills of ophthalmologists--I never have...BUT there are a number of OMD's, OMD residents, and medical students (that know as much about the eye as I know about nuclear physics LOL) that will be devisive and derogatory towards OD's, their training, and the right to use a title.

You have to be kidding! I agree that there are many medical students that may not know much about the eye, but we go to 4 years of medical school to learn about the entire body and systemic disease processes. To learn about the eye we spend another 3 years (after another year doing general medicine) learning about the eye and eye surgery. IMHO...a true understanding of disease processes of the eye requires an understanding beyond the eye. One must understand the basics of systemic diseases manifesting in the eye, the pathophysiology of primary eye disease, intracranial processes manifesting as neuro-ophthalmic disorders, ocular inflammation, etc. Treating ocular disease extends beyond disease in the eye, as systemic medications affect the eye, and the medications we use in the eye have systemic effects. It is one thing to be able to recognize eye pathology and treat based on an algorithm, and it is another to truly understand the disease process and provide EFFECTIVE medical treatment, modifying or operating as needed.

I think that optometrists play an extremely important role in primary eye care, refracting for eye glasses and contacts, and identifying eye disease and providing appropriate referrel.

This whole physician semantics debate will continue despite what either side says or quotes. Be proud of your profession, wither OMD or OD, and more importantly, strive to provide the best possible eye care for your patients.

By the way oculomotor, as a 4th year medical student entering ophtho with an engineering degree, I disagree with your above comments that you know more about eye disease, or even nuclear physics. Be careful about generalizations regarding medical students not knowing as much about the eye as yourself (a first year in optometry school).

I find it amusing that this debate revives itself every few months, and it sounds like a broken record.

 

[DrMassacre]

Oculomotor, you come off as having a huge chip your shoulder. In fact, if there really is disdain for optometrists by ophthalmologists, you are definitely perpetuating it by your obnoxious and self-inflating comments.

Congrats, you are molding my previous neutral view on optometrists into a very negative profession.

 

[Eyefixer]

Oculomotor, you come off as having a huge chip your shoulder. In fact, if there really is disdain for optometrists by ophthalmologists, you are definitely perpetuating it by your obnoxious and self-inflating comments.

Congrats, you are molding my previous neutral view on optometrists into a very negative profession.

Just to give you an idea on where this attitude comes from:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=512601

 

[Oculomotor]

Alleyesonme,

Optometrists do treat "primary eye disease" this includes:

• eye infections (bacterial, viral, etc)
• eye allergies (big in terms of RX's by OD's)
• glaucoma (a lot of alphagan, xalatan, etc...Rx'd by OD's)
• ocular pain & inflammation
• dry eye disease

The OD that I worked for back home wrote all kinds of stuff---oral methypredisolone for acute bilateral blephrodermatitis, oral acyclovir for hepetic eye infections, oral antibiotics for epidemic conjuntivitis and of course the usual array of topical ocular meds for glaucoma, etc....

As to what OD's do--please go to this page and watch the video

http://www.aoa.org/x5878.xml


As to what Med Students know about the eye-------PLEAAAASE my best friends down here are med students....What they know is basic and really that is what they need.. tell my Alleyesonme---do you know how to do Retinoscopy, Gonioscopy, BIO, Slit-lamp, Monocular Subjective, etc..., recognize using "eye doctor tools" I just mentioned to diagnose eye disease and write the appropriate medications for them? Can you refract_ Have you had 2 yrs of optics and do you understand how the eye works from a physics standpoint? Can you refract and write the appropriate Rx---understanding what terms like far point, Javal's rule, all the different types of astigmatism, myopes, presbyopes, hyperopes, etc.....mean (not superficially but in detail)? You don't have a clue. I have to tell you that up to this point (my second year of OD school) all I have learned is about systemic disease! I don't start my 2 year ocular disease sequence until next year after I have completed a year of general pharmacology and ocular pharmacology....95% of the "eye training" we get in optometry school you will not sniff in medical school plain and simple----I am not going to argue with you anymore about this!


DrMassacre,

If you are going to base your perceptions about an entire profession off of a silly forum such as this (with no accountability) whatsoever---> I could be any shmoe of the street saying whatever on here, then you my friend are shortsighted and clueless. Especially using my posts which for all you know could be me just having fun jerking all of your chains! How do you really know what my intentions are? Seriously. I am a VERY HUMBLE person in the "real world" and several of my close friends back home are ophthalmologists! When they read my posts on here they laugh because they know that I am a sarcastic, humorous, person, that just likes to "get people going" all in good fun. so chill out DUDE!

Eyefixer,

Actually, my family background is exclusively MD, and I got accepted to medical school with a 33 MCAT (average for MD school matriculants--30, average for DO school matriculants--25.6, sources for both AMCAS and ACOMAS-2007) and optometry. I CHOSE optometry so I have no animosity towards individual MD's, Ophthalmologists, etc....just a professional discontent towards their political organizations for obvious reasons (scope battles, insurance issues, etc...).

Actually the main inspiration of mine to become an optometrist was an ophthlamologist that I know as a friend. He was the one that made me aware of the eye care world.


Can't we all just go have a beer and some wings? LMFAO!!!!!

 

[KHE]

This should go well......

Yep...just what I expected. The same old tired verbal diarrhea from the usual suspects.

 

[discontinuebed]

I got accepted to medical school and optometry. I CHOSE optometry

Lies will get you nowhere.

 

[qwopty99]

Lies will get you nowhere.

How do you know he's lying? What's so hard about getting 33 on the MCAT? You got that score, didn't you?

I didn't know there was a residency in internet-psychology.



But you seem to be good at this. Tell me how to spot a patient who's lying about their MCAT score. I really want to know.

 

[ttuhscaggie]

Doesn't optometry have a board for optometrists/students to post on? Seriously, your obsession with Ophthalmology is noted.

 

[4Eyes]

Doesn't optometry have a board for optometrists/students to post on? Seriously, your obsession with Ophthalmology is noted.

This thread is my first time posting here...it was my futile attempt at damage control.

 

[qwopty99]

Doesn't optometry have a board for optometrists/students to post on? Seriously, your obsession with Ophthalmology is noted.

This is a thread in an ophthalmology forum discussing the respect for optometry.

Are we to conclude that ophthalmology has an obsession with optometry too?

 

[ttuhscaggie]

The original poster was asking how physicians (i.e. individuals who have attended medical school for four years) viewed optometrists.

I can see how you might be confused by his post given the imprecise definition applied to the term "physician" by many optometrists. In this instance I do not believe the original poster's intent was to ask whether or not optometrists respected themselves (although it seems we have the answer to that question as well, in case there was ever any doubt).

I look forward to many more enlightening posts from all the optometrists/students on this subject.

 

[qwopty99]

The original poster was asking how physicians (i.e. individuals who have attended medical school for four years) viewed optometrists.

That is fine.

Let us do this again then.

Seriously, your obsession with Ophthalmology is noted.

This may indeed be the case, but given this allegation, it would only be fair to draw attention to the thread stickied at the very_top of the ophthalmology forum that you can conveniently access here:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=119156

 

[MAYOphtho]

Especially using my posts which for all you know could be me just having fun jerking all of your chains! How do you really know what my intentions are? Seriously. I am a VERY HUMBLE person in the "real world" and several of my close friends back home are ophthalmologists! When they read my posts on here they laugh because they know that I am a sarcastic, humorous, person, that just likes to "get people going" all in good fun. so chill out DUDE!

um, didnt you just reply to my previous post that you arent trying to "fan fires?" I thought trying to "get people going" was along the same lines

nice work

 

[Oculomotor]

MayOphtho,

Look I am just saying take EVERYTHING on a website like this with a "grain of salt!" People behave VERY DIFFERENTLY when face to face in the real world. I know some posters on here from DO, DDS, and OD programs believe me when I tell you that peopls behave differently on here than face to face!


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I did take the MCAT and got into 3 Osteopathic Medical Schools (that is all I applied for--late app). The MCAT was tedious but I had Kaplan classes, Princeton Review, and I am very good at standardized test taking. Case in point, I got an 85% in medical biochem in my first year of OD school and didn't know that much--BUT I know how to beat standardized tests! The MCAT is really not the demon it is made out to be.

 

[Eyefixer]

Someone needs to close this thread.

MayOphtho,

Look I am just saying take EVERYTHING on a website like this with a "grain of salt!" People behave VERY DIFFERENTLY when face to face in the real world. I know some posters on here from DO, DDS, and OD programs believe me when I tell you that peopls behave differently on here than face to face!


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I did take the MCAT and got into 3 Osteopathic Medical Schools (that is all I applied for--late app). The MCAT was tedious but I had Kaplan classes, Princeton Review, and I am very good at standardized test taking. Case in point, I got an 85% in medical biochem in my first year of OD school and didn't know that much--BUT I know how to beat standardized tests! The MCAT is really not the demon it is made out to be.

 

[Jay12]

People behave VERY DIFFERENTLY when face to face in the real world. I know some posters on here from DO, DDS, and OD programs believe me when I tell you that peopls behave differently on here than face to face!

Of course, no one want's to get an ass whoopin' when saying things face to face

 

[DrMassacre]

DrMassacre,
If you are going to base your perceptions about an entire profession off of a silly forum such as this (with no accountability) whatsoever---> I could be any shmoe of the street saying whatever on here, then you my friend are shortsighted and clueless. Especially using my posts which for all you know could be me just having fun jerking all of your chains! How do you really know what my intentions are? Seriously. I am a VERY HUMBLE person in the "real world" and several of my close friends back home are ophthalmologists! When they read my posts on here they laugh because they know that I am a sarcastic, humorous, person, that just likes to "get people going" all in good fun. so chill out DUDE!

You know what you remind me of? You remind me of those flaming homosexuals who has to throw their homosexuality into everyone's faces, making sure that everyone knows they're gay to the point where no one wants to put up with it anymore. I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you because unlike optometry school, we actually have work to do in medical school.

 

[4Eyes]

Especially using my posts which for all you know could be me just having fun jerking all of your chains! How do you really know what my intentions are? Seriously. I am a VERY HUMBLE person in the "real world" and several of my close friends back home are ophthalmologists! When they read my posts on here they laugh because they know that I am a sarcastic, humorous, person, that just likes to "get people going" all in good fun. so chill out DUDE!

Then where do you get off carrying yourself on here in such an unprofessional way? There's sparking conversation, and then there's damaging, possibly permanently, the professional relationship between ODs and OMDs. Seriously, how can that possibly be a good thing? You're punishing the rest of us.

DrMassacre, I promise most of us had better things to do in school than troll in forums.

 

[Oculomotor]

"You remind me of those flaming homosexuals who has to throw their homosexuality into everyone's faces, making sure that everyone knows they're gay to the point where no one wants to put up with it anymore."

1) Obviously DrMassacre is a bigot and probably a racist as well. Did you need to make an inflammatory reference like that?

2) DrMassacre contradicted him/herself because he/she is on this forum! LOL I guess DrMassacre is just an idiot?

3) Optometry School, Medical School, Dental School, and Podiatry School are all 24-7 programs requiring a lot of work to earn the clinical doctorate they confer. You may not like me but don't bash collectively optometry students. Again DrMassacre cannot argue without condemning an entire group of students.

Yes Dr. Massacre is a homophobe, a self-riteous idiot, and shouldn't even touch another human being in the future.

One word of advice for you DrBigot, you need to be careful about bringing up race, sexual preference, etc....when you get in the real world outside of academia.

 

[Oculomotor]

4Eyes!!!!!! STOP.................................... 99% of the time I use references for my posts and try to have an objective argument. What I said earlier was out of JEST!!!

 

[Oculomotor]

"Of course, no one want's to get an ass whoopin' when saying things face to face "


Exactly, Jay12!!!!!!! LMFAO

Everybody bitches on here and throws insults and degredation and then in the "real world" it is:

Thank you Dr. Jon Doe, O.D. for your referral for SLT regarding patient blah blah blah.

 

[DrMassacre]

^hey buddy, where did you find bigotry in my comment? I merely stated that you are like the type of homosexuals who are in your face about their sexuality, as you are trying to shove your "physician of optometry" or whatever it is down everyone's throat and it gets extremely obnoxious to the point of starting a backlash as it has now.

And finally, I'm not the one here posting a million times a day, 3 posts in a row. You're here spending your time trying to get a rise out of MDs or future MDs because you have a huge chip on your shoulder whereas I'm here trying to figure out the road in becoming an ophthalmologist. Your posts are just so ****ing annoying that I had to call you out for being a grade A douchebag.

I'm done with you because I have to spend my time becoming a physician, something that you have to try and convince other people that you falsely are.

Yes Dr. Massacre is a homophobe, a self-riteous idiot, and shouldn't even touch another human being in the future.

ps: learn to spell...it's "righteous"


4eyes, I have no problem with ODs/future ODs whatsoever but I do have problems with obnoxious self entitled idiots (who happen to be present in both MD and OD schools)

 

[Jay12]

^hey buddy, where did you find bigotry in my comment? I merely stated that you are like the type of homosexuals who are in your face about their sexuality, as you are trying to shove your "physician of optometry" or whatever it is down everyone's throat and it gets extremely obnoxious to the point of starting a backlash as it has now.

And finally, I'm not the one here posting a million times a day, 3 posts in a row. You're here spending your time trying to get a rise out of MDs or future MDs because you have a huge chip on your shoulder whereas I'm here trying to figure out the road in becoming an ophthalmologist. Your posts are just so ****ing annoying that I had to call you out for being a grade A douchebag.

I'm done with you because I have to spend my time becoming a physician, something that you have to try and convince other people that you falsely are.



ps: learn to spell...it's "righteous"


4eyes, I have no problem with ODs/future ODs whatsoever but I do have problems with obnoxious self entitled idiots (who happen to be present in both MD and OD schools)

It's really funny watching how people can get so bent out of shape from reading something that's written on a FORUM!!!
But for entertainment purposes.........please continue

 

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Close the thread. It's obviously run its course and is now a flamefest between soon-to-be doctors and wannabe doctors.