POLL: how much are you taking out on loans?

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POLL: I just wanted to see how much medical students
are taking out in loans this year:


for me (UMN tuition is ~$25K for residents and $45K
for non-residents...overall est budget for
residents is $45K):

entering MS1: $33,800
loans from undergrad: $31,000

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Univ. of Minnesota Med School Class of 2007

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Entering MS1: 35,000 (30,000 tuition, 3000 fees)
Loan from Undergrad: 0
School: Vanderbilt
 
I took out almost exactly $40K last year, and will take out the same this year. It would appear that my total debt will be $160,000, but I actually have a plan to keep it under $140,000. We'll see how it goes. No undergrad debt thank god.
 
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Almost exactly $40k this year. I have around $25k in undergrad debt (I think actually less- haven't checked lately). I hope to pay some of it back during the year (fiance works), starting with the unsubsidized portion.

If it weren't for my s.o., I'd probably have close to $200k in loans total by the end of all this :( Supportive s.o.'s rock :D

I anticipate that I'll have to buy him a car or two a decade down the road ;)
 
btw, the unsubsidized stafford loan is 1.7% while you're in school. That barely keeps up with inflation.
 
1.7% really? I thought it is 3.49% for this year, and it varies each year. Where did you get that 1.7% for unsubsidized loan interest from? It suddenly gives me hope, but I am not too optimistic because I was told it was 3.49% for this year.
 
It's 2.82% while in school and 3.49% during repayment, so yeah it's low. Hope it stays that way for 4 years.
 
I took out about 170k....

just so ya know, in 2006, there will be a law locking in the %age rate at significantly higher than what it is. There were threads on it a few weeks past. Sucks to graduate after that.

Q, DO
 
Quinn,

could you provide me with a link or some more information about the locked in rates starting in 2006? much appreciated in advance.
 
It was in a thread I believe in the General Residency section... a month or two back... try doing a google search...

Q, DO
 
I've bolded the relevant info. If you think about it, it's not that bad. Rates are permanently locked at 6.8% which isn't bad considering it provides protection from volatility in interest rates. Granted it's not as good of a deal as it is now but when the economy picks up again, I'm sure we'll see interest rates start to rise anyway.

http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/article/6294-6225.html

AMA Statement to the Senate HELP Committee re: Student Loans

STATEMENT of the American Medical Association to the Committee on Health, Education Labor and Pensions United States Senate

RE: VARIABLE RATE CONSOLIDATED STUDENT LOANS

FOR HIGHER EDUCATION

May 9, 2002

On behalf of the medical student, resident physician, and physician members of the American Medical Association (AMA), we are pleased to submit this statement on the critical issue of consolidated student loans.

Introduction

In 1986, the Federal Consolidation Loan program was established by Congress to help student borrowers with the burden of federal student loan debt. A Federal Consolidation Loan allows an individual to consolidate his or her federal student loans into a single loan, choose a flexible repayment term and have a fixed interest rate for the life of the loan.

According to recent press accounts, a proposal for a variable interest rate for consolidated student loans has been under discussion. The AMA urges Congress to allow the student loan consolidation program to continue with the fixed interest rate. Consolidated loans with a fixed interest rate benefit all student loan borrowers who chose to consolidate their loans. If Congress accepts the variable interest rate proposal, it would effectively raise the interest on education loans for millions of Americans entering the workforce.

The Federal Consolidation Loan Program Explained

The Federal Consolidation Loan program was established by Congress to assist student borrowers with the burden of federal student loan debt. The amount of a Federal Consolidation Loan reflects the total amount of loans one consolidates.

According to law, each year on July 1 the Department of Education resets the student loan interest rate based on the 91-day Treasury Bill. The formula for loans in repayment is 91-day T-bill + 2.3; the formula for in-school loans is 91-day T-bill + 1.7 (thus, it is better for a student to consolidate his or her loans while in school, or during the six-month automatic deferment period).

The interest rate on consolidated loans is the weighted average (rounded up to the nearest 1/8%), or 8.25%, whichever is less, of the interest rate on each loan. Unless consolidated, federal student loans have variable interest rates, which are set by the Federal Government each July. Consolidation converts the variable interest rate to this fixed rate for the life of the loan.

Federal Regulations do not allow lenders to consolidate loans that are currently in default. A loan is considered to be in default only after a borrower fails to make payment on the loan for 270 consecutive days. Any loans that are not in default are eligible for consolidation.

Student borrowers, out of school borrowers and parent borrowers are all eligible to consolidate the following loans (one may consolidate a Consolidation Loan only if he or she is combining that loan with at least one other eligible loan):

Subsidized Federal Stafford Loans, formerly Guaranteed Student Loans (GSL)
Direct Subsidized Stafford Loans
Unsubsidized and Nonsubsidized Federal Stafford Loans
Direct Unsubsidized Stafford Loans
Federal Supplemental Loans for Student (formerly Auxiliary Loans to Assist Students/ALAS and Student PLUS Loans)
Federal Perkins Loans, formerly National Defense/National Direct Student Loans (NDSL)
Health Professions Student Loans, including Loans for Disadvantaged Students
Health Education Assistance Loans
Federal Insured Student Loans
Federal PLUS (Parent) Loans
Direct PLUS Loans
Subsidized Federal Consolidation Loans
Direct Subsidized Consolidation Loans
Unsubsidized Federal Consolidation Loans
Direct Unsubsidized Consolidation Loan, including Direct PLUS Consolidation Loans
Federal Nursing Loans
Consequences of High Loan Debt

Students are taking on a tremendous burden as they move through college and graduate school in order to pursue higher education. Roughly two out of three college graduates leave college with debt. Presently, 39% of college students graduate with debt that is more than 8% of their monthly income, creating a severe financial burden on them. Within the last eight years, the student loan obligation has doubled for American students.

As previously mentioned, a proposal has been considered that would replace the fixed interest rate with a variable rate for consolidated student loans. This approach was suggested in order to offset a deficit in the Pell grant program, which benefits low-income college students. Such a measure could cost students and graduates (including Pell grant recipients) on average, $2,800 in higher interest rates. This figure applies to the national average of $16,000 in student loan debt by college graduates.

Medical school graduates enter their residency with an average of almost $100,000 in student loan debt. Such debt is a tremendous hardship throughout the repayment period of the loan, but it is especially difficult during the years a physician is undergoing his or her three to eight years of training in a residency program.

Almost all first-year residents make less than $31,000 a year. This figure does not substantially increase throughout residency training. Under a variable rate system it is assumed that there is an increase of $2,800 for every $16,000 in loans. Thus, for $100,000 in loans, the variable interest rate would increase interest by an additional $17,500 over a 10-year period, and, $39,375 more in loan interest over a 20-year repayment period.

When education is so costly, graduates? career choices are affected. With such high loan debt, careers serving the public often are put aside for more lucrative jobs so the loan borrower is able to pay off his or her loans. Thus, those who may be considering whether to practice medicine in an "underserved" area, enter the public health service, start a career in medical education or research, or practice primary care medicine are often deterred from such paths.

Continued Progress Required For the Affordable Financing of Higher Education

Recently, Congress passed and the President signed into law a number of provisions assisting student loan borrowers. Included in the "Restoring Earnings to Lift Individuals and Empower Families Act of 2001" (P.L. 107-16) is a provision that greatly expands previous law allowing student-loan borrowers to receive a tax deduction on the interest paid on their student loans. Specifically, the law:

Increases the income threshold for the phase out of the tax deduction for student loan interest up to a modified adjusted gross income of $65,000 (up to $130,000 for joint returns);
Adjusts the income phase-out ranges for inflation after 2001;
Repeals the 60-month limitation on the tax deduction; and
Repeals the restriction that voluntary interest payments are not tax deductible.
Another provision of P.L. 107-16 allows recipients who earn scholarships granted by the National Health Service Corps (NHSC) and the Armed Forces to receive tax-free status as "qualified scholarships" without regard to any service obligations by the recipient.

In February 2002, additional legislation (P.L. 107-139) was enacted that will:

Fix the student loan interest rate at 6.8% beginning in 2006,
Extend the current rate structure until that date,
Fix the interest rate on PLUS loans (loans taken out by students? parents) at 7.9%, and
Fix the student loan consolidation rate at no more than 8.25%.

Given these positive developments relating to the financing of higher education, it would be a tremendous step backward to allow the latest proposal on loan consolidation to go forward. It is essential that all student loan borrowers be able to avail themselves of the best possible loan terms when seeking to refinance their debt.


Smart Education Policy

Keeping higher education affordable and keeping the student loan interest rates at an affordable level contributes to the United States overall competitiveness as a nation. When individuals make career choices based on how much money will be earned to pay back student loans, it affects how diverse the country is in terms of chosen career paths. The entire country benefits when the federal government contributes to the higher education system by offering student borrowers with affordable interest rates.

The AMA believes that it is in our national interest to encourage the best and brightest to complete their education, to be involved in the communities of this country, and to contribute to our Nation?s values. One such value is to pay off our debts. Since the federal government has allowed student loan consolidation, the default rate has dropped from 22% to 5.6%. Additionally, by allowing students to lock in today?s historically low interest rates, it will assist students in lowering their overall debt load.

At a time when many states are cutting their higher education budgets and more individuals are struggling to pay for a college education, we need the Federal government to assist students in obtaining their goal of a college degree and graduate study, when possible.

Conclusion

Thank you for the opportunity to submit our views regarding the proposal to change loan consolidation interest rates from a fixed-interest rate to a variable-interest rate. The AMA looks forward to working with the Committee on finding solutions to the critical issue of financing higher education for all American
 
So I'm not entirely sure what this means. For those graduation before 2006, does this mean that they can still consolidate at a lower rate (if available)? Does this mean that those graduating after 2006 are forced into a 6.8% rate? Most importantly (for me), what does this mean for those of us graduating in 2006 (do we get the 6.8% rate or do we have the option of locking in if the rate happens to be lower at the time of graduation)?
 
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bump - can anyone answer rxfudd's question?
 
I talked to my financial aid counselor at my medical
school and she said that near April 2003, you can
lock in your loans at the current rate.

If you lock in future loans at a higher rate, they'll
simply average both rates when figuring your fixed
rate. (hopefully what I typed made sense) :)

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Cornell Alumnus
Univ. of Minnesota Medical School Class of 2007
 
i'll be about $150,000 in total debt. i'm taking 5 years to get through med school, after having transferred to another school and not getting credit for previous rotations.
 
school: tufts

MSI loan: 38500
additional bill: 1094.50 +books (living at home)

from undergrad: $4401

so i'll be in debt around 160000+ by the end of it minus some money in the bank.
 
$0 from undergrad
$0 from med school.....NHSC
 
Originally posted by carrigallen
bump - can anyone answer rxfudd's question?

Unfortunately, I've heard that the 6.8% fixed rate is going to be applicable to all of those who graduate after 2006. Congress passed some sort of law at the urging of banks who were losing money by participating in these loan programs because variable interest rates for the staffords are so low right now (2.8% right now). People are writing to congress trying to get it changed, but I don't think that it will be. Anyways, I had 27,000 undergrad debt, and added 75,000 in med school debt. I was just looking at the monthly payments I would have to be making during residency if I wasn't able to apply for economic hardship, and it's a good thing that's an option or else I would have had to pay more in loan re-payments then I should be paying in rent! Consolidation is a good thing too.
 
I'm about 95% certain that the interest rate formula will remain the same for all loans disbursed prior to July 1, 2006. This includes consolidation loans (which in effect are new loans). So don't fret, your current Stafford loans will not change and the variable rate will still be the 91-day T-Bill rate + 1.7% with a maximum of 8.25%. If you consolidate prior to July 1, 2006, the consolidation loan rate will be a fixed rate that is the average of all the loans you are consolidating.

Only new loans disbursed after July 1, 2006 will be at the new fixed rate of 6.8%. This includes consolidation loans even if you are consolidating loans you took out prior to July 1, 2006 which might be at a lower rate. It will no longer be an average, it will just be a fixed 6.8% rate.
 
let's see....
MS1 tuition $15k, total $26k -$8k in scholarships
MS2 tuition $16k, total $28k - $8k
MS3 tuition $20k, total $34k - $11k

$63k so far. I actually haven't been keeping very close track because there's not much I can do and I've accepted the fact that I'm going to be in big-time debt by the end. As a note, when I started 3rd year tuition was $11k. Huge tuition increases these last couple years.

Luckily, undergrad = 0 loans.
 
Is there any way for those of us who graduate in 2007 to consolidate the loans from the first 3 yrs of school at the lower rates and then just have our loan for 4th year (2007) be at the fixed 6.8%? Does that make sense? Basically, is there any way for me to avoid getting screwed by this?
 
Yes, just consolidate before July 1, 2006. However, once you consolidate you get a grace period (usually 6 months) but then the loans enter repayment. You may be eligible for a 3-year hardship deferment.
 
mpp said:
Yes, just consolidate before July 1, 2006. However, once you consolidate you get a grace period (usually 6 months) but then the loans enter repayment. You may be eligible for a 3-year hardship deferment.

I thought you had to graduate before you could consolidate your loans ? :confused:

Can I consilidate my first 2 years of school loans, and then just have the %6.8 on my last two? :confused:
 
You can consolidate your loans while in school if any of your loans are Direct Loans...your school would have to be part of the Direct Loan program. If your school uses lenders like MedLoans, T.H.E., etc., then your school is not part of the Direct Loan program and you cannot consolidate while in school. But, the laws are changing soon...stay tuned for more (or less) options.
 
It was my impression that the bill switching the consolidation program's policy from the current settings to a variable one post 2006 has not yet been passed and is still in committee. Previous posts indicate that post-2006 loans will be consolidated at variable rates - is that entirely accurate? Thanks.
 
expecting 215,000 dollars by graduation...

so which specialty makes the most...
 
expecting ~$250,000 total in med school loans (6 year school so its both undergrad and med school) Let me tell you it is going to really really suck to be this much in debt at the age of 24. Just the other day I was trying to figure out my finances for the first year of residency and I was previously hoping to start paying on my loans during residency, but I don't even see how this is going to be a possibility :(
Is there a book or something I could read to help learn more about consolidation and deferring loans?
 
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