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"They will never love you back."
Met with admin a few weeks ago and again last week.
Doc lot parking was full. I got there 15 min before my OR time.
Parked my lifted Jeep Gladiator in an EV slot.
Someone complained.
Met with 3 of my bosses on this.
Do I show up at OR late and get written up because I had to drive to employee parking or do I park in an EV slot and get to work on time.
Rather have the conversation on where I parked rather than why I was late for my surgery.
2 weeks later I drove my Tesla and parked in a regular spot. Sent all admin a pic of my P100d in a regular spot.
No complaints.
 
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Met with admin a few weeks ago and again last week.
Doc lot parking was full. I got there 15 min before my OR time.
Parked my lifted Jeep Gladiator in an EV slot.
Someone complained.
Met with 3 of my bosses on this.
Do I show up at OR late and get written up because I had to drive to employee parking or do I park in an EV slot and get to work on time.
Rather have the conversation on where I parked rather than why I was late for my surgery.
2 weeks later I drove my Tesla and parked in a regular spot. Sent all admin a pic of my P100d in a regular spot.
No complaints.
perhaps they need to make more slots in the doc parking lot, there should be enough spots for as many doctors have access.
also, these 3 bosses should've never met with you, just nipped it in the bud - kinda pathetic for them to accost you for that.
 
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perhaps they need to make more slots in the doc parking lot, there should be enough spots for as many doctors have access.
also, these 3 bosses should've never met with you, just nipped it in the bud - kinda pathetic for them to accost you for that.
Agree it seems like a waste of everyone's time. At most it should have been an email - "Dear Dr Lobel, please make sure you use your assigned parking area. Thank you"
 
Met with admin a few weeks ago and again last week.
Doc lot parking was full. I got there 15 min before my OR time.
Parked my lifted Jeep Gladiator in an EV slot.
Someone complained.
Met with 3 of my bosses on this.
Do I show up at OR late and get written up because I had to drive to employee parking or do I park in an EV slot and get to work on time.
Rather have the conversation on where I parked rather than why I was late for my surgery.
2 weeks later I drove my Tesla and parked in a regular spot. Sent all admin a pic of my P100d in a regular spot.
No complaints.

If my Admin pulled that kind of s hit with me, I'd fire them.
 
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So the difference in parking was a 15” walk? Really?
 
you do not remember nor have you chosen to look at history of "healthcare" prior to Medicare, particularly for the elderly.




if course, i am not that old to know first hand what it was like prior to Medicare, but when i was a teen, it was common knowledge that Medicare made such a big difference to the lives of the elderly.


here is another interesting read.


oh yes, and Medicare was a bipartisan program with roughly 50% of the house Republicans voting for it.



Medicare/Caid have been an absolute nightmare for anyone wishing to practice medicine as time has gone on. They started out generous and then with time turned into the monster we know them as today. The Medicare system marked the end of the golden age of medicine and the “get out while you can mentality” that pervades todays physicians.

Along with SS, the elderly went from a relatively vulnerable group to AARP card carrying members and a voting bloc! And with record numbers on the rolls, the rleletivly small percentage of young workers are the ones that inevitably are saddled with this albatross.
 
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Medicare/Caid have been an absolute nightmare for anyone wishing to practice medicine as time has gone on. They started out generous and then with time turned into the monster we know them as today. The Medicare system marked the end of the golden age of medicine and the “get out while you can mentality” that pervades todays physicians.

Along with SS, the elderly went from a relatively vulnerable group to AARP card carrying members and a voting bloc! And with record numbers on the rolls, the rleletivly small percentage of young workers are the ones that inevitably are saddled with this albatross.
People also don't seem to get that Medicare is changing and, by law, will become vastly Medicare Advantage plans, ie. managed by insurance companies. I doubt that's what most "progressives" have in mind when they demand "Single Payer".

I also doubt they will be happily boasting about how everyone is now "covered" after they get to experience first hand what that means.
 
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People also don't seem to get that Medicare is changing and, by law, will become vastly Medicare Advantage plans, ie. managed by insurance companies. I doubt that's what most "progressives" have in mind when they demand "Single Payer".

I also doubt they will be happily boasting about how everyone is now "covered" after they get to experience first hand what that means.
its still better than the alternative (not being able to afford care)

ive said it before:
-crappy, basic insurance for everyone
-ability to buy cadillac coverage for those with means

shouldnt be able to see the best docs, brand name drugs, and get next day MRIs if you dont pay for your own health insurance.
 
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its still better than the alternative (not being able to afford care)

ive said it before:
-crappy, basic insurance for everyone
-ability to buy cadillac coverage for those with means

shouldnt be able to see the best docs, brand name drugs, and get next day MRIs if you dont pay for your own health insurance.
Everything about your plans, including for the wealthy, incorporates further entrenchment of insurance companies - the biggest parasites in the US healthcare system. There is no possible way to have a high quality, widely accessible, and affordable healthcare system that does this.

Are you on their payroll or you really just can't imagine life without them?
 
Everything about your plans, including for the wealthy, incorporates further entrenchment of insurance companies - the biggest parasites in the US healthcare system. There is no possible way to have a high quality, widely accessible, and affordable healthcare system that does this.

Are you on their payroll or you really just can't imagine life without them?
Certain areas of healthcare require insurance. This is just a fact.

Primary Care can mostly do without, for those who can't afford it you keep your FQHCs and residency clinics. We would need to rain in the pharmaceutical companies to a reasonable extent, but that's doable if there's the political will to do it.

But even the cheapest surgeries at cash-only surgery centers are going to be very tough for most Americans. And that doesn't even come close to touching lengthy hospital admissions or major surgeries requiring hospital stays.
 
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But even the cheapest surgeries at cash-only surgery centers are going to be very tough for most Americans. And that doesn't even come close to touching lengthy hospital admissions or major surgeries requiring hospital stays.
If we eliminated all health insurance from the equation, do you think these costs would go up or down or remain the same?
 
Everything about your plans, including for the wealthy, incorporates further entrenchment of insurance companies - the biggest parasites in the US healthcare system. There is no possible way to have a high quality, widely accessible, and affordable healthcare system that does this.

Are you on their payroll or you really just can't imagine life without them?
i guess you missed the part where i said "crappy"
 
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People also don't seem to get that Medicare is changing and, by law, will become vastly Medicare Advantage plans, ie. managed by insurance companies. I doubt that's what most "progressives" have in mind when they demand "Single Payer".

I also doubt they will be happily boasting about how everyone is now "covered" after they get to experience first hand what that means.

Even Zeke that POS has been moaning about them. Medicare disadvantage sales pitch is simple little to no premiums and then when the bill comes due the patients are all aghast they don’t pay the bill…bitch to their congressman/women about greedy hospital. No one pays the bill and the facility gets screwed. But when it comes to the government and HC providers expect your anus to hurt.

Yes it’s true. Dems thought they’d have a lock on HC by this point but **** them. They’re trying to act like Scrooge McDuck except they make all the rules and keep payments dirt cheap.
 
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its still better than the alternative (not being able to afford care)

ive said it before:
-crappy, basic insurance for everyone
-ability to buy cadillac coverage for those with means

shouldnt be able to see the best docs, brand name drugs, and get next day MRIs if you dont pay for your own health insurance.
sounds like medicaid
 
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If we eliminated all health insurance from the equation, do you think these costs would go up or down or remain the same?
Probably go down, but not to being affordable for the average person.

And again, there are free standing surgery centers that offer significant discounts for certain procedures. It's still a whole bunch of money.

Plus, it will absolutely devastate our incomes.
 
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Probably go down, but not to being affordable for the average person.

And again, there are free standing surgery centers that offer significant discounts for certain procedures. It's still a whole bunch of money.

Plus, it will absolutely devastate our incomes.
Just to reiterate, I am in favor of universal healthcare, at the state level, with federal funding, in a VA-lite model. $20 copays for pts, employed civil servant staff and govt owned facilities. No insurance needed. If you have a credit card and you choose to go private, you still don't need insurance.

It's an interesting question what this would do to physician salaries... If you're a good business person and maybe working in the public system part time, you're not gonna have to worry about billing Medicare or deductibles or co-pays or prior auths or EMRs or CPT codes. You could actually run a real business. I think you could be very successful.

So honestly, I don't think it would adversely impact physician salaries.
 
Just to reiterate, I am in favor of universal healthcare, at the state level, with federal funding, in a VA-lite model. $20 copays for pts, employed civil servant staff and govt owned facilities. No insurance needed. If you have a credit card and you choose to go private, you still don't need insurance.

It's an interesting question what this would do to physician salaries... If you're a good business person and maybe working in the public system part time, you're not gonna have to worry about billing Medicare or deductibles or co-pays or prior auths or EMRs or CPT codes. You could actually run a real business. I think you could be very successful.

So honestly, I don't think it would adversely impact physician salaries.
Of course it would. There aren't enough people willing to pay cash for services to keep us all where we're currently sitting. Some people would do fine, but not all of us. We just have to look at the UK to see the truth of this.
 
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what you would probably see is that the subspecialty salaries that have been procedurally oriented would drop.

otoh, salaries for primary care medicine would probably stay the same or maybe increase slightly.

we have a top heavy system. we should have significantly greater portion of the physician workforce as primary care physicians, not as specialists.
 
Fair enough. But not you or anyone else will be satisfied with crappy, overpriced care.
if its crappy, it wont be overpriced

and if im not satisfied, id buy the better, supplemental insurance

im sorry, but there is no way to have good, inexpensive care. you cant buy a ferrari for the price of a toyota
 
Of course it would. There aren't enough people willing to pay cash for services to keep us all where we're currently sitting. Some people would do fine, but not all of us. We just have to look at the UK to see the truth of this.
Do we have evidence that physician salaries in UK, prior to NHS, were as high as their American counterparts?

Also, I'm not sure why you think "single payer" would result in a different outcome in terms of physician pay. It's still a virtual monopoly on basic care.
 
Do we have evidence that physician salaries in UK, prior to NHS, were as high as their American counterparts?

Also, I'm not sure why you think "single payer" would result in a different outcome in terms of physician pay. It's still a virtual monopoly on basic care.
Couple reasons.

First, because we already see that it does. The VA pays significantly below market rates for the vast majority of specialties and that's despite having plenty of other employers. If you have only 1 employer, why wouldn't they pay us less than what we're making now?

Second, if we have a private option the number of people using that will be smaller than the number of patients we all see currently. Some of us will be able to take advantage of that and probably keep the same money give or take. But there won't be enough patients using the private option for us all to be able to do that.
 
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Couple reasons.

First, because we already see that it does. The VA pays significantly below market rates for the vast majority of specialties and that's despite having plenty of other employers. If you have only 1 employer, why wouldn't they pay us less than what we're making now?

Second, if we have a private option the number of people using that will be smaller than the number of patients we all see currently. Some of us will be able to take advantage of that and probably keep the same money give or take. But there won't be enough patients using the private option for us all to be able to do that.

It'll basically be a death match to see those patients. So the only people who will have access to them will be mid to late careers.

The only people that will be making money in medicine will be academic chairs and shady PP. Everyone else will be working for ****.
 
Couple reasons.

First, because we already see that it does. The VA pays significantly below market rates for the vast majority of specialties and that's despite having plenty of other employers. If you have only 1 employer, why wouldn't they pay us less than what we're making now?

Second, if we have a private option the number of people using that will be smaller than the number of patients we all see currently. Some of us will be able to take advantage of that and probably keep the same money give or take. But there won't be enough patients using the private option for us all to be able to do that.
Idk man VA is 350k/yr salary, 30 days vacation, 40 hrs/wk, and way more chill. Not a bad gig.
 
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Couple reasons.

First, because we already see that it does. The VA pays significantly below market rates for the vast majority of specialties and that's despite having plenty of other employers. If you have only 1 employer, why wouldn't they pay us less than what we're making now?

Second, if we have a private option the number of people using that will be smaller than the number of patients we all see currently. Some of us will be able to take advantage of that and probably keep the same money give or take. But there won't be enough patients using the private option for us all to be able to do that.
The VA doesn’t pay below market rate, they just compensate differently. Sure, the dollars per hour are lower, but government benefits, very slow pace, and basically can’t be sued. I don’t think it’s a particularly apt comparison to a possible national medical system though.
 
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Couple reasons.

First, because we already see that it does. The VA pays significantly below market rates for the vast majority of specialties and that's despite having plenty of other employers. If you have only 1 employer, why wouldn't they pay us less than what we're making now?

Second, if we have a private option the number of people using that will be smaller than the number of patients we all see currently. Some of us will be able to take advantage of that and probably keep the same money give or take. But there won't be enough patients using the private option for us all to be able to do that.
To your first point, the VA in my area, if you consider productivity and benefits, is roughly equivalent to Kaiser in terms of pay and benefits. It's not exactly equal but you have to also consider job security, the structure of pension and health benefits, etc. And that's a good comparison bc the Kaiser model is what most Medicare is transitioning to.

Of course there are other hospital employees who are maximizing RVUs, injecting every foramen, and raking in that sweet SOS cash. That certainly would come to an end under my proposed model, so if you want to preserve that, it's not gonna happen.

While it's true that this VA-lite model would be a monopoly on essentially free health care, it's not that different than a "single payer Medicare for all" model in that sense, just a different structure.

I'll grant you that it will be a whole new level of challenge to get and retain patients if you don't want to work for the man. I just think it's good policy for the country. I think "public/private partnerships" like Medicare are financial black holes.
 
To your first point, the VA in my area, if you consider productivity and benefits, is roughly equivalent to Kaiser in terms of pay and benefits. It's not exactly equal but you have to also consider job security, the structure of pension and health benefits, etc. And that's a good comparison bc the Kaiser model is what most Medicare is transitioning to.

Of course there are other hospital employees who are maximizing RVUs, injecting every foramen, and raking in that sweet SOS cash. That certainly would come to an end under my proposed model, so if you want to preserve that, it's not gonna happen.

While it's true that this VA-lite model would be a monopoly on essentially free health care, it's not that different than a "single payer Medicare for all" model in that sense, just a different structure.

I'll grant you that it will be a whole new level of challenge to get and retain patients if you don't want to work for the man. I just think it's good policy for the country. I think "public/private partnerships" like Medicare are financial black holes.
Sounds great. How do we do it?
 
Sounds great. How do we do it?
Politically, the only path I see is calling this "Medicaid reform" because Medicare is a third rail. The basic gist is that Medicaid gets converted to a VA-type model with no profit incentive and no insurance company middlemen.

The federal govt offers states the option to accept block grants for Medicaid AND Medicare (and potentially VA). States like CA gradually divert funding to this new model and make it available to all residents, unconditionally. $20 copay for your basic health needs. No questions asked. No pre-auths.

Over a 10 year period, the state stands up medical clinics, hospitals, labs, and imaging centers. They hire docs, nurses, NPs, and whoever they need. The state provides 24/7 telehealth by licensed PHYSICIANS, moonlighting/working from home, because triaging is critical for resource management.

There's a wait list in certain areas for certain things. Some name brand drugs aren't available. Some new treatments are not available. There are no specialists available for certain rare conditions. There are no disability payments available from this program. This is not a perfect world.

Eventually, Medicare recipients will find it more convenient and economical to use the new services vs Medicare. Medicare is eventually phased out. That's the hope the idea hinges on...
 
Politically, the only path I see is calling this "Medicaid reform" because Medicare is a third rail. The basic gist is that Medicaid gets converted to a VA-type model with no profit incentive and no insurance company middlemen.

The federal govt offers states the option to accept block grants for Medicaid AND Medicare (and potentially VA). States like CA gradually divert funding to this new model and make it available to all residents, unconditionally. $20 copay for your basic health needs. No questions asked. No pre-auths.

Over a 10 year period, the state stands up medical clinics, hospitals, labs, and imaging centers. They hire docs, nurses, NPs, and whoever they need. The state provides 24/7 telehealth by licensed PHYSICIANS, moonlighting/working from home, because triaging is critical for resource management.

There's a wait list in certain areas for certain things. Some name brand drugs aren't available. Some new treatments are not available. There are no specialists available for certain rare conditions. There are no disability payments available from this program. This is not a perfect world.

Eventually, Medicare recipients will find it more convenient and economical to use the new services vs Medicare. Medicare is eventually phased out. That's the hope the idea hinges on...

so, a statewide single payer vs. national single payer (which is funded by the fed, btw)

this isnt a bad idea, but many on this board would not like to cede control to the state. also, our salaries would get slaughtered
 
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this would be an interesting idea, but then you could have healthcare available in certain states (ie blue states) and not available in other states, given political leanings. this could lead to a disparity in healthcare based not just on your income level but on where you live.

for example, and sorry to inject politics in to the discussion, but there are still some states that still have not accepted medicad expansion: "Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Kansas, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Wisconsin, and Wyoming".
 
Idk man VA is 350k/yr salary, 30 days vacation, 40 hrs/wk, and way more chill. Not a bad gig.
So I'm FM. I make about double what I would at the VA but I only work 36h/week. I took 34 days off this year. Granted I'm busier than your average VA doc but I prefer it, otherwise I get bored at work.

I technically work for a county hospital so I also have a pension and pretty good malpractice protection compared to most (the county gets sued, not me directly most of the time).
 
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So I'm FM. I make about double what I would at the VA but I only work 36h/week. I took 34 days off this year. Granted I'm busier than your average VA doc but I prefer it, otherwise I get bored at work.

I technically work for a county hospital so I also have a pension and pretty good malpractice protection compared to most (the county gets sued, not me directly most of the time).
Interesting screen name choice!

To each their own. I'm a fed and make $150k/yr in an academic setting. I enjoy my job, patients, and pace. I have loads of time to spend with my family.

I'll be moving on from shortly and have already started the job hunt. Most are 10 hr days and breakneck pace but high compensation (600k+). Not sure that's the life that I want that I want. VA honestly doesn't seem bad at all and it's double my current pay for the same amount of work.
 
Interesting screen name choice!

To each their own. I'm a fed and make $150k/yr in an academic setting. I enjoy my job, patients, and pace. I have loads of time to spend with my family.

I'll be moving on from shortly and have already started the job hunt. Most are 10 hr days and breakneck pace but high compensation (600k+). Not sure that's the life that I want that I want. VA honestly doesn't seem bad at all and it's double my current pay for the same amount of work.
I was in college in Virginia when I joined SDN 18 years ago.

Compared to academic income the VA is definitely a big improvement, no question. And the benefits are better than pretty much anywhere else. Its ideal for people who want a slower pace and aren't as concerned about money, are near the end of their career (if you work something like 5 years you get insurance for life), or want to give back to veterans.
 
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I was in college in Virginia when I joined SDN 18 years ago.

Compared to academic income the VA is definitely a big improvement, no question. And the benefits are better than pretty much anywhere else. Its ideal for people who want a slower pace and aren't as concerned about money, are near the end of their career (if you work something like 5 years you get insurance for life), or want to give back to veterans.

VA is where you end up not where you start. Sooner or later we all go to SNF.
 
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The VA doesn’t pay below market rate, they just compensate differently. Sure, the dollars per hour are lower, but government benefits, very slow pace, and basically can’t be sued. I don’t think it’s a particularly apt comparison to a possible national medical system though.
worked in the VA for 6 years. Now making double what I made there and I wouldn't say I'm working any harder, although while at the VA I worked much harder than the average VA doc (most productive clinic in the entire hospital). Was doing 50+ procedures per week including stim and kypho. the rest of my time was in clinic seeing primarily new patients and a some follow ups
 
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worked in the VA for 6 years. Now making double what I made there and I wouldn't say I'm working any harder, although while at the VA I worked much harder than the average VA doc (most productive clinic in the entire hospital). Was doing 50+ procedures per week including stim and kypho. the rest of my time was in clinic seeing primarily new patients and a some follow ups
kudos to you for staying busier than you had to at the VA!
You likely helped an extra couple thousand patients over those 6 years, compared to the typical "do the bare minimum VA doc".
 
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Bit of a non sequitur there. I've never heard anyone above the age of 22, yet alone a physician, use the term "libtard."
yep. I'll use it to your face too. Arrest me. Sue me.
 
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Must suck to be this bitter.
Must suck to be self righteous, complacent, naïve and deluded. If you aren't pissed about how much money the government steals from you, you haven't achieved some higher level of nirvana. You're just a *****. My 2c. At least im not deluded enough to play into the pandering and BLATANT lying coming from the left in order to capture your vote. The right is far from perfect I have no delusions, but given the current choice, I wouldnt vote democrat today if you put a gun to my head.
 
I say we arrange an SDN boxing match for a year out. We can put it on YouTube and charge people to watch it. We can set it up as a contest and the winner can donate the profits to his or her favorite charity. Who's with me? I'm joking, kind of.

It'll force us to get in shape and raise money for a good cause. Good or bad idea? I'll volunteer to be one of the boxers if others will join too.
 
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I say we arrange an SDN boxing match for a year out. We can put it on YouTube and charge people to watch it. We can set it up as a contest and the winner can donate the profits to his or her favorite charity. Who's with me? I'm joking, kind of.

It'll force us to get in shape and raise money for a good cause. Good or bad idea? I'll volunteer to be one of the boxers if others will join too.
I'm a lover and not a fighter. I can referee.
 
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Must suck to be self righteous, complacent, naïve and deluded. If you aren't pissed about how much money the government steals from you, you haven't achieved some higher level of nirvana. You're just a *****. My 2c. At least im not deluded enough to play into the pandering and BLATANT lying coming from the left in order to capture your vote. The right is far from perfect I have no delusions, but given the current choice, I wouldnt vote democrat today if you put a gun to my head.
this is pure projection.

you are jealous of his happiness.
 
Must suck to be self righteous, complacent, naïve and deluded. If you aren't pissed about how much money the government steals from you, you haven't achieved some higher level of nirvana. You're just a *****. My 2c. At least im not deluded enough to play into the pandering and BLATANT lying coming from the left in order to capture your vote. The right is far from perfect I have no delusions, but given the current choice, I wouldnt vote democrat today if you put a gun to my head.
careful bro.....you will get a very nice message saying you arent allowed to have an opinion anymore. Libtards are in power right now.
 
I'm a lover and not a fighter. I can referee.
I figure with all the fighting going on through these threads it's getting pretty close to a boxing match anyway. Might as well keep it in a controlled environment and have some fun with it.

I think there are several people in here who would love to throw a few haymakers at some other people.

I'm willing to donate my face to someone's glove if they can catch it. Vice versa too, lol.

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I figure with all the fighting going on through these threads it's getting pretty close to a boxing match anyway. Might as well keep it in a controlled environment and have some fun with it.

I think there are several people in here who would love to throw a few haymakers at some other people.

I'm willing to donate my face to someone's glove if they can catch it. Vice versa too, lol.

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this is pretty benign compared to previous. Looking through my icloud pics from few years ago i found some screenshots i took of not so nice messages from lonelobo to dodocs on his personal page i think. He deleted it and denied it, but screenshots proved his charming personality. And he was banned later for similar "jabs".
 
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