orthos and podiatrists

[manwhoisthursdy]

So what do foot and ankle specialized orthopedic surgeons do that podiatric surgeons don't?

There has to be something . . . since it wouldn't be worth doing all that residency to have the same job as a podiatrist would it?

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[ortho2003]

So what do foot and ankle specialized orthopedic surgeons do that podiatric surgeons don't?

There has to be something . . . since it wouldn't be worth doing all that residency to have the same job as a podiatrist would it?

aside from correcting podiatry surgeries gone wrong, a lot of foot and ankle orthopods do a fair ammount of general ortho and basic ortho trauma.

 

[Cassidy61]

"So what do foot and ankle specialized orthopedic surgeons do that podiatric surgeons don't?"

Answer:
1. Indicated procedures in a skillful manner.
2. Revisions of what podiatrists screw up

 

[endodoc]

If you notice you do not see MD after podiatrists name. You may see Dr, but you can study flowers and still have Dr. before your name.
Case in point, stay away from podiatrists.

For all the DO's same respest as MD goes for you folks to. I only use MD as a general term.

 

[SanDiegoSOD]

Well, sounds like the answer is... nothing. Not to say that I disagree with the above posters, though, about being careful who you go to for surgery.

 

[kchan99]

I'm just curious...Do podiatrists know how to do complicated procedures like ankle joint replacements?

 

[endodoc]

I'm just curious...Do podiatrists know how to do complicated procedures like ankle joint replacements?

The answer is 10000% no, and I sure hope they never try. They can mainly be found in nursing homes checking feet, not anyplace near the OR.

 

[dry dre]

The answer is 10000% no, and I sure hope they never try. They can mainly be found in nursing homes checking feet, not anyplace near the OR.

I don't know why everyone is bagging on podiatrists here, including the above incorrect post.

Many/most podiatrists do simple foot and ankle surgery (in the OR). Anyone who says that podiatrists don't do surgery is either not in the U.S. or is talking out the anal sphincter. Podiatrists are relied on to take care of problems that, while often minor in medical nature, have a large influence on people's lives. Ask any PCP or general surgeon in a smaller town....who else wants to care for feet? All the diabetic problems? An orthopod? No...who are we trying to kid here.

Sure, podiatry school may be easier to get into, and some people probably go into the field to be called doctor. The majority are probably good hardworking folks (the podiatrist at my hospital is). A lot of MDs out there went into medicine to wear the white coat and be called Dr....(seems to be the same people who take offense to other people being called Dr.).

Bottom line, podiatrists have a limited but important role, like many health care providers. Calling them names is immature at best and ignorant in the least.

 

[endodoc]

I don't know why everyone is bagging on podiatrists here, including the above incorrect post.

Many/most podiatrists do simple foot and ankle surgery (in the OR). Anyone who says that podiatrists don't do surgery is either not in the U.S. or is talking out the anal sphincter. Podiatrists are relied on to take care of problems that, while often minor in medical nature, have a large influence on people's lives. Ask any PCP or general surgeon in a smaller town....who else wants to care for feet? All the diabetic problems? An orthopod? No...who are we trying to kid here.

Sure, podiatry school may be easier to get into, and some people probably go into the field to be called doctor. The majority are probably good hardworking folks (the podiatrist at my hospital is). A lot of MDs out there went into medicine to wear the white coat and be called Dr....(seems to be the same people who take offense to other people being called Dr.).

Bottom line, podiatrists have a limited but important role, like many health care providers. Calling them names is immature at best and ignorant in the least.

I agree with you for sure. I was in a way busting ball.... To say that they are even on the same level as a othro is way off base. They do some "or" work, most of which is done in office these days to save money.

For the most part they are hard working, as most workers.

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

You are an egocentric, arrogant, and very sad person. I have had ankle surgery done by a Foot and Ankle Physician when I was in highschool (My father is a Cardiologist with connections and the best guy he knew for the job was a Podiatric Surgeon! DPM's that want to specialize in ortho surgery on the foot and ankle do a 4-5 yr residency after the 4 years of Podiatric Medical School and are as qualified to do "like proceedures" as the ortho surgeon.....The American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons is 99% DPM's ....lol With the move towards specialization in the past 20 yrs the value of having an MD/DO degree is diminishing. Alot of Oral Maxo-facial Surgeons don't have MD's (only DDS). My brother is doing his residency in Surgery then a hand fellowship and he has seen some pretty damn good Podiatric Surgeons and OMF's too.......Things are changing---I am getting my OD degree (to be a Eye Doctor, for arrogant folks like you----------a PHYSICIAN of the Eye..lol) Right now the Optometry profession is winning different battles to get laser surgery----it is only a matter of time....Opthamologists are very opposed--------it amuses me----because in 4 yrs when I am done I am going to do these procedures!!! with an OD degree!!! You need to wake up and smell the coffee...one of these days your attitude is going to get you in a heap of trouble and I am assuming that having an MD isn't going to save you from a physical conflict.......RESPECT other people WE are all equals! Listen to your momma!

 

[dry dre]

WE are all equals! Listen to your momma!

Now don't get carried away, an optometrist is not in the same league as an opthamologist (the former confined to limited practice of one piece of anatomy, the latter full practice of the eyes, orbits, other medical conditions etc). While they often both work on the same anatomy, this does not mean that the specialists in the respective specialities have equal knowledge or ability.

If you want to talk about an attitude that will get someone in a heap of trouble, I suggest that it is the cavalier attitude that less training can equal equivalent skill and knowledge that is most likely to increase morbidity.

 

[manwhoisthursdy]

Even if podiatrists don't go to medical school, they are training clinically. Dentists are obviously clinically trained. Optometrists do refraction and stuff, but are *not* trained for surgery! They simply don't have the same knowledge of the human body to deal with pre-op and post-op medical evaluations. They won't have the same knowledge to consult with other physicials including ENTS (orbit problems?), neurosurgeons (injury to the eye involving CNS or peripheral nerves?), neurologists (neurological deficits related to vision?). Anesthesia? What about complications? So many possibilities, and optometry students do not do two years of clinical rotations followed by a residency. An opthalmology residency especially, is not easy to get into and is serious stuff.

So even if laws were passed to let ODs do eye surgery, that would not make ODs into physicians!

My original question was about the difference in scope between podiatrists and orthopods, but I never intended to question the OBVIOUS difference in level of qualification between any surgeon in any specialty and someone who never went to medical/dental school.

*Sigh* next chiropracters will want priveleges to fix discs, and school counselors will want to manage kids on antidepressants.

 

[Cassidy61]

i have witnessed some of the OR "training" that podiatrists recieve and i liken it to the blind leading the blind. all jokes aside, i have interacted with a load of podiatrists in training and i would not want them managing anything more than my toenails.

 

[endodoc]

You are an egocentric, arrogant, and very sad person. I have had ankle surgery done by a Foot and Ankle Physician when I was in highschool (My father is a Cardiologist with connections and the best guy he knew for the job was a Podiatric Surgeon! DPM's that want to specialize in ortho surgery on the foot and ankle do a 4-5 yr residency after the 4 years of Podiatric Medical School and are as qualified to do "like proceedures" as the ortho surgeon.....The American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons is 99% DPM's ....lol With the move towards specialization in the past 20 yrs the value of having an MD/DO degree is diminishing. Alot of Oral Maxo-facial Surgeons don't have MD's (only DDS). My brother is doing his residency in Surgery then a hand fellowship and he has seen some pretty damn good Podiatric Surgeons and OMF's too.......Things are changing---I am getting my OD degree (to be a Eye Doctor, for arrogant folks like you----------a PHYSICIAN of the Eye..lol) Right now the Optometry profession is winning different battles to get laser surgery----it is only a matter of time....Opthamologists are very opposed--------it amuses me----because in 4 yrs when I am done I am going to do these procedures!!! with an OD degree!!! You need to wake up and smell the coffee...one of these days your attitude is going to get you in a heap of trouble and I am assuming that having an MD isn't going to save you from a physical conflict.......RESPECT other people WE are all equals! Listen to your momma!

You are not a physician, and will never be in the eyes of anyone who is in the medical field. The mistake the public makes is that your profession gives the false pretense that you teat as a physician. OD?s can cannot teat 99.9% of eye disease, and can only treat post operatically. I am not bagging your career, we are all well needed.
A physician is only a MD and OD.

As far as your dad only knowing a podiatric to do your ankle procedure; that is pretty sad. I would like you to go to a major medical center (NYU, Duke, Harvard, and Columbia) and see what they say about Podiatric profession. I can tell you from the perspective of at least one of the above mentioned university affiliated medical centers, and the perception is not good, since that is where I practice.

As far as you doing procedures, my vet does procedures; a plumber does procedures; although they are not physicians. To go back to your analogy of smelling coffee, a coffee house worker does procedure, but they are not physicians.

Get a grip, and come to the realization you are not a medical doctor. If you need more clarification, check with your local board of health.


As far as my attitude, it will save me a matter of fact. It will keep me from making mistakes and hiring the wrong people for the job.

Best of luck to you, you will need it reading those eye charts with your head so far up your as?

 

[endodoc]

Now don't get carried away, an optometrist is not in the same league as an opthamologist (the former confined to limited practice of one piece of anatomy, the latter full practice of the eyes, orbits, other medical conditions etc). While they often both work on the same anatomy, this does not mean that the specialists in the respective specialities have equal knowledge or ability.

If you want to talk about an attitude that will get someone in a heap of trouble, I suggest that it is the cavalier attitude that less training can equal equivalent skill and knowledge that is most likely to increase morbidity.

Well said

 

[endodoc]

i have witnessed some of the OR "training" that podiatrists recieve and i liken it to the blind leading the blind. all jokes aside, i have interacted with a load of podiatrists in training and i would not want them managing anything more than my toenails.

I made ref. to toenails as well in mypost above.... Nursing homes is where they belong, not in the OR.

 

[volkl7]

You are an egocentric, arrogant, and very sad person. I have had ankle surgery done by a Foot and Ankle Physician when I was in highschool (My father is a Cardiologist with connections and the best guy he knew for the job was a Podiatric Surgeon! ...Things are changing---I am getting my OD degree (to be a Eye Doctor, for arrogant folks like you----------a PHYSICIAN of the Eye..lol) Right now the Optometry profession is winning different battles to get laser surgery----it is only a matter of time....Opthamologists are very opposed--------it amuses me----because in 4 yrs when I am done I am going to do these procedures!!! with an OD degree!!! You need to wake up and smell the coffee...one of these days your attitude is going to get you in a heap of trouble and I am assuming that having an MD isn't going to save you from a physical conflict.......RESPECT other people WE are all equals! Listen to your momma!

future eye doc, you may have problems becoming an "eye doc" when you can't spell "ophthalmologist" right. with your OD, you will be asking "is it clearer in 1 or 2?"
as an orthopedic surgeon, i do indeed need those podiatrists. they are a great dumping ground for crap that i have no interest in doing... diabetic feet, hammer toes, hallux valgus, etc.
your cardiologist dad with the connections really didn't hook you up.
you may want to stop listening to your mama if she continues to give you such advice.

 

[PACtoDOC]

Still noone has answered the OP's question. The answer by and large is this:

Ortho foot guys make 2-3 times more money than the DPM. DPM's can be members of the ACFAS because it is their organization...duh..!! They also only have to do 3 years post grad, not 4-5. And they are generally lost when it comes to managing any semi-sick patient who might not fit the olympic athlete profile. DPM's are not full scope doctors, and only full scope doctors will be operating on my family members. Imagine this scenario.

Anesthesiologist: Dr. DPM, the patient's BP is dropping and he's bleeding out the ET tube, do you think he forgot and actually took his nifedipine, his enalapril, and coumadin today pre-op? What do you want to do?

DPM: Well, my training did not test us heavily on the clotting cascade, and thus I am unaware of what labs to order to check for coagulopathy other than a PT/PTT. But even if they come back abnormal, I have no idea how to intervene. This is a typical scenario by and which I would guess that the anesthesiologist would have to save the DPM's ass and page the internist on call.

See, you can rest assured knowing that every Ortho doc at one time was tested on all aspects of medicine having passed 3 steps of the USMLE or COMLEX. Without that certainty, I would never feel comfortable. My thinking is let the DPM's take the USMLE like the DO's were finally allowed to do. The results would look very grim I can promise you, but it probably should be done once and for all to prove that these guys are no physicians. Honestly, should they someone pass the USMLE, then I would have no problem changing my viewpoint. But the odds of a DPM passing the USMLE is about as good as a PA passing it.

 

[ortho2003]

Still noone has answered the OP's question. The answer by and large is this:

Ortho foot guys make 2-3 times more money than the DPM. DPM's can be members of the ACFAS because it is their organization...duh..!! They also only have to do 3 years post grad, not 4-5. And they are generally lost when it comes to managing any semi-sick patient who might not fit the olympic athlete profile. DPM's are not full scope doctors, and only full scope doctors will be operating on my family members. Imagine this scenario.

Anesthesiologist: Dr. DPM, the patient's BP is dropping and he's bleeding out the ET tube, do you think he forgot and actually took his nifedipine, his enalapril, and coumadin today pre-op? What do you want to do?

DPM: Well, my training did not test us heavily on the clotting cascade, and thus I am unaware of what labs to order to check for coagulopathy other than a PT/PTT. But even if they come back abnormal, I have no idea how to intervene. This is a typical scenario by and which I would guess that the anesthesiologist would have to save the DPM's ass and page the internist on call.

See, you can rest assured knowing that every Ortho doc at one time was tested on all aspects of medicine having passed 3 steps of the USMLE or COMLEX. Without that certainty, I would never feel comfortable. My thinking is let the DPM's take the USMLE like the DO's were finally allowed to do. The results would look very grim I can promise you, but it probably should be done once and for all to prove that these guys are no physicians. Honestly, should they someone pass the USMLE, then I would have no problem changing my viewpoint. But the odds of a DPM passing the USMLE is about as good as a PA passing it.

No offense, but this analagy is pretty silly. No orthopod would have a clue, or want to have any say in the management of this issue. The orthopod would take care of the foot, and the anesthesiologist would manage the other issues.

As for the original question, podiatrists handle minor foot procedures, toenails, bunions, hammertoes, clawtoes, diabetic feet, etc... Some podiatrists are more skilled and venture out into reconstruction, fusions, joint replacement, etc... Some rightly so, and some really screw things up by venturing outside their level of training. Orthopods specializing in foot and ankle, do the minor procedues mentioned above, but also manage major reconstructions. They will take patients with terrible foot deformities that have been non-ambulators for year adn give them a plantigrade pain-free foot to walk on.

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

Here we go again........My whole family is MD's The school I will be attending for Optometry has hospital rounds as part of the last two years of CLINICAL training.....I will admit though it is a limited scope (occular, etc.) The one thing you and many other MD's on here fail to realize is that podiatrists, chiropractors, and optometrists are limited scope primary care physicians---------check the legal verbage! I attended a 1 1/2 years of a Doctor of Chiropractic program before I switched over to optometry and you sound like an idiot with the closing comment about (fixing a disc) in your response. That program was a lot tougher than the optometry program that I will be attending. We had 2x as much anatomy (20 scheduled hours a week of dissection for over a year!) as my brother's MD program. I would venture to say that many MD's including yourself are so insecure about semantics (i.e the physician label.) In legal verbage in my state (Ohio) a chiropractor can choose the title of Chiropractic physcician, Chiropractor, and Doctor of chiropractic! My point is "on paper" all of these (Doctor of Optometry, Doctor of Podiatry, Doctor of Chiropractic) are all limited scope physicians in almost every states legal verbage! Whom am I to give credibility to? The AMA-------(yeah right) an organization that ferociously fought Dentistry for years, tried to kill chiropractic--lost to chiropractic in Wilks vs AMA 1987, and spent 25 years trying to prevent optometrists from using prescription drugs as a therapeutic modality? OR state law and the patient? DUH------that is a no brainer! Just the about the ENTIRE WORLD refers to an Optometrist as EYE DOCTORS. The funny thing is 90%+ of patients don't even know the difference between an opthamologist or optometrist...lol Most patients don't care if the name has OD, MD, DO or whatever next to it.......what they care about is," Doctor can you help me get better." My father is a Cardiologist who has been practicing for 30 yrs now-----an honest man, great doctor, and a humble human being. He refers to MD's, DO's, DC's, DDS's, OD's all as physicians of varying scope and reach. The bottom line is HUMILITY--------------go to the pharmacy and buy some.

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

I love it!!!!!!! (as for the mispspelling of opthalmologist----I had no time to type you jack....... and I was in a hurry.......) ok now to the endodork........(You probably couldn't win a hand to hand if your life depended on it!) Anyway, I don't want to be an MD! Actually (believe it or not) I got accepted to an MD program-----(I will readily agree it is the toughest program to get into without a doubt) a few years ago, never attended, (I am now 30 yrs old) but it took me longer to figure out what I wanted. As to sticking my head up my as......... I think that is not in my scope! LOL That would be your job with your scalpel....(as an MD rectums are in your scope)......I am just going to help my patients----be loved by them and live comforably As for you I would just love to see you at a bar telling an optometrist, chiropractor, or a podiatrist the garbage that comes out of your mouth and listen for 2 sounds---the second of which would be you hitting the ground....(Maybe they could careflight you to the Cleveland clinic or to Duke University Medical center) so you can have an ENT work on your face! HUMILITY HUMILITY you sanctamounious.....S...of @$#$%#$#! By the way I hope you have a good day..... God Bless.........Oh wait are you God? lol

 

[endodoc]

Here we go again........My whole family is MD's The school I will be attending for Optometry has hospital rounds as part of the last two years of CLINICAL training.....I will admit though it is a limited scope (occular, etc.) The one thing you and many other MD's on here fail to realize is that podiatrists, chiropractors, and optometrists are limited scope primary care physicians---------check the legal verbage! I attended a 1 1/2 years of a Doctor of Chiropractic program before I switched over to optometry and you sound like an idiot with the closing comment about (fixing a disc) in your response. That program was a lot tougher than the optometry program that I will be attending. We had 2x as much anatomy (20 scheduled hours a week of dissection for over a year!) as my brother's MD program. I would venture to say that many MD's including yourself are so insecure about semantics (i.e the physician label.) In legal verbage in my state (Ohio) a chiropractor can choose the title of Chiropractic physcician, Chiropractor, and Doctor of chiropractic! My point is "on paper" all of these (Doctor of Optometry, Doctor of Podiatry, Doctor of Chiropractic) are all limited scope physicians in almost every states legal verbage! Whom am I to give credibility to? The AMA-------(yeah right) an organization that ferociously fought Dentistry for years, tried to kill chiropractic--lost to chiropractic in Wilks vs AMA 1987, and spent 25 years trying to prevent optometrists from using prescription drugs as a therapeutic modality? OR state law and the patient? DUH------that is a no brainer! Just the about the ENTIRE WORLD refers to an Optometrist as EYE DOCTORS. The funny thing is 90%+ of patients don't even know the difference between an opthamologist or optometrist...lol Most patients don't care if the name has OD, MD, DO or whatever next to it.......what they care about is," Doctor can you help me get better." My father is a Cardiologist who has been practicing for 30 yrs now-----an honest man, great doctor, and a humble human being. He refers to MD's, DO's, DC's, DDS's, OD's all as physicians of varying scope and reach. The bottom line is HUMILITY--------------go to the pharmacy and buy some.

Maybe you can get some of your good HUMILITY RX in Canada.. With any luck it will come from India, and you will see who is a "real" physician when you need to go to the ER.


I'm not sure where you get your number regarding patients knowing the difference of a MD, DO, ect.. I am sure you would know if you went to the "doctors" for a Pantalar fusion and you were asked to read top line from left to right.

Good Luck, and keep your dreams high....

 

[DistantMets]

Nothing like a legit thread getting reduced to name-calling and chat room threats of violence. The bottom line is that DPMs will see less complicated foot and ankle problems than an ortho foot and ankle specialist and will make less money. Whether fair or not, DPMs have a reputation for being less competent surgeons. Probably some deserve it and some don't, so you have to find out who is good in your area if you refer. The same goes for any other speciality. The whole thing with 'Doctor' is quite overblown, all it basically says is that you've put 4 post grad years in and have acquired an area of expertise. Everybody's a doctor these days. The trap of having "Dr of something" after your name (MD/DO too) is that you can overstep your bounds and treat beyond your capacity. I think physicians have every right to question the training of other providers because we owe it to our patients to make sure they get the standard of care. However, to make things black and white and say no OD can do laser surgery or no DPM can do a good ankle reconstruction is being arrogant and territorial. Let's not belittle their role in heathcare either. They should be allowed pursue the training, but they also shouldn't get pissed if only the top 1-2% are good enough to get the job done. I don't know why anyone would want to look at feet all day either way , but I'm glad someone does.

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

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future eye doc, you may have problems becoming an "eye doc" when you can't spell "ophthalmologist" right. with your OD, you will be asking "is it clearer in 1 or 2?"
as an orthopedic surgeon, i do indeed need those podiatrists. they are a great dumping ground for crap that i have no interest in doing... diabetic feet, hammer toes, hallux valgus, etc.
your cardiologist dad with the connections really didn't hook you up.
you may want to stop listening to your mama if she continues to give you such advice.

HEY....I like your sense of humor....lol The Podiatric surgeon that I saw did a 4 yr residency thru the Ohio College of Podiatric Medicine after he spent four years there. He worked in the Cleveland clinic system and pretty damn good......He spent 12 yrs from undergraduate to finish and had a decade of experience.......I actually won spelling bees in elementary school and have a Masters degree.........so I can spell! I can't type very well and have probably a minute to respond each time I get on here! Hey my Mom is an MD too so she gives great advice! I want to spend four years plus maybe one extra year of internship and focus on one area of the body doing primary care eye medicine.....I have absolutely no interest in all the other "scut" work----in my opinion that family practice doctors do..(God Bless them though)........An Optometrist is a primary care eye doctor and no more......not in any way a medical doctor but a limited scope physician none the less. My brother is in his third year of residency and will attend a hand fellowship when he is finished------EVEN he agrees with me. I want to go to work in my private practice and hospital setting (I will specialize in occular diseases)----do my 40 hours a week and take home $100K and pursue my real life------wrestling, coaching football, and competing in powerlifting competitions. I want to start my professional life at 35 not 40 (which opthalmology would definitely lead me to.) If I had my choice right now and you could give me an OD or an MD I would take the OD because it suits me better and is much less headache for me. Having attended a year of Chiropractic school I worked with an ortho doc for a year and have a great deal of respect for them (except for the ones that hate chiropractors)---you don't want to open this pandora's box with me....Anyway we are all equals in our own rights.....ulimately though I will say the most valuable doctor is that primary care MD/DO because they treat the majority of people in the most general sense......

 

[aphistis]

Can we get a thread closure here, and maybe a couple bans for garnish?

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

Hey, I have to admit you have a good sense of humor.....very important trait! I am just a smart-ass Italian guy who loves to argue and will lobby like bulldog when I am out practicing. lol I have actually seen a "full scope" real physician in the ER and she did a decent job. I will pursue my dream and become a "limited scope" real physician of the eye (OD) and work in harmony with my surgical brothers "full scope" real physicians of the eye (OMD's). Remember the eyes are the gateway to the soul......

Good luck to you too


Go Ohio State Buckeyes!

 

[I Surgeon]

You are an egocentric, arrogant, and very sad person. I have had ankle surgery done by a Foot and Ankle Physician when I was in highschool (My father is a Cardiologist with connections and the best guy he knew for the job was a Podiatric Surgeon! DPM's that want to specialize in ortho surgery on the foot and ankle do a 4-5 yr residency after the 4 years of Podiatric Medical School and are as qualified to do "like proceedures" as the ortho surgeon.....The American College of Foot and Ankle Surgeons is 99% DPM's ....lol With the move towards specialization in the past 20 yrs the value of having an MD/DO degree is diminishing. Alot of Oral Maxo-facial Surgeons don't have MD's (only DDS). My brother is doing his residency in Surgery then a hand fellowship and he has seen some pretty damn good Podiatric Surgeons and OMF's too.......Things are changing---I am getting my OD degree (to be a Eye Doctor, for arrogant folks like you----------a PHYSICIAN of the Eye..lol) Right now the Optometry profession is winning different battles to get laser surgery----it is only a matter of time....Opthamologists are very opposed--------it amuses me----because in 4 yrs when I am done I am going to do these procedures!!! with an OD degree!!! You need to wake up and smell the coffee...one of these days your attitude is going to get you in a heap of trouble and I am assuming that having an MD isn't going to save you from a physical conflict.......RESPECT other people WE are all equals! Listen to your momma!

Hey FutureEYEcoc, Why don't you come over to the Ophthalmology forum with your crap meatball boy and get your a** handed to you...you wanna-be DOC...I dare you. There is a good discussion about the subject of scope of practice... (what a waste of life to go to optometry school, when having already been accepted to medical school..which I don't believe...no one could be that damn dumb. Who would what to be second class eye doctors? Maybe you should have listened to your mamma

 

[endodoc]

Hey FutureEYEcoc, Why don't you come over to the Ophthalmology forum with your crap meatball boy and get your a** handed to you...you wanna-be DOC...I dare you. There is a good discussion about the subject of scope of practice... (what a waste of life to go to optometry school, when having already been accepted to medical school..which I don't believe...no one could be that damn dumb. Who would what to be second class eye doctors? Maybe you should have listened to your mamma

That is to funny.... "meatball boy" HAHAHA

Funny thing is, he threatened me and I am a girl who works 100+ hrs a week including beeper, and I would still beat his meatball as?.

 

[endodoc]

I love it!!!!!!! (as for the mispspelling of opthalmologist----I had no time to type you jack....... and I was in a hurry.......) ok now to the endodork........(You probably couldn't win a hand to hand if your life depended on it!) Anyway, I don't want to be an MD! Actually (believe it or not) I got accepted to an MD program-----(I will readily agree it is the toughest program to get into without a doubt) a few years ago, never attended, (I am now 30 yrs old) but it took me longer to figure out what I wanted. As to sticking my head up my as......... I think that is not in my scope! LOL That would be your job with your scalpel....(as an MD rectums are in your scope)......I am just going to help my patients----be loved by them and live comforably As for you I would just love to see you at a bar telling an optometrist, chiropractor, or a podiatrist the garbage that comes out of your mouth and listen for 2 sounds---the second of which would be you hitting the ground....(Maybe they could careflight you to the Cleveland clinic or to Duke University Medical center) so you can have an ENT work on your face! HUMILITY HUMILITY you sanctamounious.....S...of @$#$%#$#! By the way I hope you have a good day..... God Bless.........Oh wait are you God? lol

First off Salami man, I am a chick who will give you a good beating. The beating may not be physical like you would enjoy, buy mentally. I actually studied to go through medical school and to earn my MD, PhD, and go through residency.

So go back to your forum where you belong, this is intended for MD?s.

 

[MS3NavyFS2B]

I actually won spelling bees in elementary school and have a Masters degree.........so I can spell!

Hey my Mom is an MD too so she gives great advice!

This dude's a 30-year-old 7th-grader. Get real.


I bet you know all about what else she gives...


1. You never got into medical school. Don't lie. You're 30 (and just starting OD school) because you lacked the intellectual prowess and academic accomplishments to even get entertained by medical schools. In any event, there is a do-not-admit-Neanderthal admission policy.


2. ODs are not physicians. Don't play. It's not polite to dumb down medicine, not to mention very dangerous. You ODs work in Costco and in eyeglass stores, because that's the only way to get patients (trapping them when they want new glasses with their > 1 year old prescription with your empty appointment book). I bet that free membership really helps, doesn't it?

3. Please report back to the ancillary staff forum, and stop permeating this thread with your anti-intellectual tomfoolery.

 

[bgibney]

I love it!!!!!!! (as for the mispspelling of opthalmologist----I had no time to type you jack....... and I was in a hurry.......)

You spelled ophthalmologist wrong again

 

[jays2cool4u]

As for you I would just love to see you at a bar telling an optometrist, chiropractor, or a podiatrist the garbage that comes out of your mouth and listen for 2 sounds---the second of which would be you hitting the ground....(Maybe they could careflight you to the Cleveland clinic or to Duke University Medical center) so you can have an ENT work on your face!

I'm a postbac student at harvard extension and I'm kind of confused by this statement. Hypothetically, if you were hit in the face at a bar why would an ENT doctor work on your face? I would think it would be a plastic surgeon or oral maxillofacial surgeon. Someone please clarify this for me.

JRJ

 

[OzDDS]

I'm a postbac student at harvard extension and I'm kind of confused by this statement. Hypothetically, if you were hit in the face at a bar why would an ENT doctor work on your face? I would think it would be a plastic surgeon or oral maxillofacial surgeon. Someone please clarify this for me.

JRJ

ENT, MaxFax, and Plastics would all do it... there is a significant amount of overlap between the three when it comes to certain procedures. Trauma being one.. Personally MaxFax and/or ENT would be my first choice if I got smacked in the face with a crowbar and my facial bones and sinuses and nerves were wrecked.. followed by plastics because ENT and MaxFax have more head/neck and cranial bone reconstruction training than plastics.. but if I had full thickness chemical or other burns to my head neck, I'd rather have plastics take care of me as they have way more training in this area... including full body soft tissue manipulation and cosmetic procedures. Now if the plastics surg did an extra craniomaxillofacial fellowship and had more experience in cranial reconstruction.. then I'd say go with the plastics guy.

Just my .02

 

[VentdependenT]

Nice thread going on here. Very entertaining....

 

[MS3NavyFS2B]

I'm a postbac student at harvard extension and I'm kind of confused by this statement. Hypothetically, if you were hit in the face at a bar why would an ENT doctor work on your face? I would think it would be a plastic surgeon or oral maxillofacial surgeon. Someone please clarify this for me.

JRJ

I'm not suprised you're confused, since most lay people would be. Hopefully, when you graduate medical school sometime within the next decade (or residency within two decades), it'll all become clearer...

If you're going to knock meatball man tacitly, then you would be prudent to be informed.

Yeah...post-bac at Harvard Extension School? I'm sure you dropped that in accidentially; nevertheless, if you ever get into medical school, no one's going to care (or even be remotely impressed) where you did a small part of undergrad, trust me...because everyone's impressive. Name dropping is a bad habit to start.

Isn't this a physician and student doctor forum?

 

[jays2cool4u]

Yeah...post-bac at Harvard Extension School? I'm sure you dropped that in accidentially; nevertheless, if you ever get into medical school, no one's going to care (or even be remotely impressed) where you did a small part of undergrad, trust me...because everyone's impressive. Name dropping is a bad habit to start.

Isn't this a physician and student doctor forum?

MS3NavyFS2B, thanks for the advice.

OzDDS, thank you for answer my question.

JRJ

 

[PublicHealth]

Yeah...post-bac at Harvard Extension School? I'm sure you dropped that in accidentially; nevertheless, if you ever get into medical school, no one's going to care (or even be remotely impressed) where you did a small part of undergrad, trust me...because everyone's impressive. Name dropping is a bad habit to start.

Not to mention that ANYONE can take courses at Harvard Extension School. You simply register for courses. There is no admissions process.

I bet this person tells everyone that they're a student at Harvard.

 

[endodoc]

Not to mention that ANYONE can take courses at Harvard Extension School. You simply register for courses. There is no admissions process.

I bet this person tells everyone that they're a student at Harvard.

Your right people can take undergrad classes, although grad school is a bit different. You can take up to 3 classes, and you must be admitted to earn masters degree. Just some inside knowledge...

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

Hey FutureEYEcoc, Why don't you come over to the Ophthalmology forum with your crap meatball boy and get your a** handed to you...you wanna-be DOC...I dare you. There is a good discussion about the subject of scope of practice... (what a waste of life to go to optometry school, when having already been accepted to medical school..which I don't believe...no one could be that damn dumb. Who would what to be second class eye doctors? Maybe you should have listened to your mamma

You crack me up! My whole family is MD's and you are way to arrogant. The point is, you piece of $%#%$#$#, when I got accepted to ONE school-----I mean ONE school---and had familial connections there---my 3.45 GPA and 10 MCAT score were OK but not spectacular. At the time had a medical serious medical condition that prevented me for at least one year from matriculating. Following that I had a job making $80k in sales (not much jack$ from a surgeon standpoint but healthy for a college grad nonetheless). The bottom line is you ***** I chose NOT to go because I readily admit that I will NOT commit 8-9 years of my life to become an OMD--NO WAY. I really don't have any interest in doing full-scope medicine or sugery--not really unless it is profitable for me. I compete in powerlifiting competitively (2nd in the country in 1999) and coach wrestling (almost made the olympics after college )--I am an athlete and will NOT give it up for anything-------OD is the best way to keep my lifestyle and become a eye doctor. The bottom line is-----I want to do primary care......OD's provide 70% of this function in the US yearly. I like refraction and treating some eye disease (and leaving the more serious things up to the OMD's.) I have tons of respect for OMD's (as my cousin is one)-----------you jerk. So instead of critical of an entire noble profession--be critical of me-----THAT'S OK----because you sound like a jerk.....


Go Buckeyes!

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

You spelled ophthalmologist wrong again

LOL

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

This dude's a 30-year-old 7th-grader. Get real.


I bet you know all about what else she gives...


1. You never got into medical school. Don't lie. You're 30 (and just starting OD school) because you lacked the intellectual prowess and academic accomplishments to even get entertained by medical schools. In any event, there is a do-not-admit-Neanderthal admission policy.


2. ODs are not physicians. Don't play. It's not polite to dumb down medicine, not to mention very dangerous. You ODs work in Costco and in eyeglass stores, because that's the only way to get patients (trapping them when they want new glasses with their > 1 year old prescription with your empty appointment book). I bet that free membership really helps, doesn't it?

3. Please report back to the ancillary staff forum, and stop permeating this thread with your anti-intellectual tomfoolery.

I got into an MD program you primate and CHOSE not to go----I couldn't at the time (Being in an out of the hospital for a year doesnt make medical school seem very appealing)------You just cant believe that a person would change thier mind and not attend. I don't have the patience to grind thru 8-9 years to become an OMD----I ADMIT IT! An actually the optometrist I see works at a hospital thank you very much. This is amusing though and I love a good fight! CHEERS

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

I got into an MD program you primate and CHOSE not to go----I couldn't at the time (Being in an out of the hospital for a year doesnt make medical school seem very appealing)------You just cant believe that a person would change thier mind and not attend. I don't have the patience to grind thru 8-9 years to become an OMD----I ADMIT IT! An actually the optometrist I see works at a hospital thank you very much. This is amusing though and I love a good fight! CHEERS

SPELLING correction

And actually the optometrist...................

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

First off Salami man, I am a chick who will give you a good beating. The beating may not be physical like you would enjoy, buy mentally. I actually studied to go through medical school and to earn my MD, PhD, and go through residency.

So go back to your forum where you belong, this is intended for MD?s.

Are you good looking? Maybe we could get coffee sometime?

"chuckling" congradulations on the Phd...I have a Masters and will probably stop after my OD.........Cheers!

By the way what is your sign?

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

That is to funny.... "meatball boy" HAHAHA

Funny thing is, he threatened me and I am a girl who works 100+ hrs a week including beeper, and I would still beat his meatball as?.

I am in love!!!!!!!!!!

 

[endodoc]

I am in love!!!!!!!!!!

I have to say, you are a funny good sport. Also, I am married....

 

[WickedAphrodite]

I got into an MD program you primate and CHOSE not to go

Which program? Just curious.

 

[endodoc]

Which program? Just curious.

University of Dream Land

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

I have to say, you are a funny good sport. Also, I am married....

Thank you.....I have to admit as well that you seem very intelligent and witty....I am sure you are a good doctor.......

 

[FutureEYEdoc09]

University of Dream Land

Actually you are very perceptive.....Dream Land is close...because the school I got into is a lower rung Medical School (probably one of the five easiest in the country to get accepted too.) I applied at the right place and right time and repeated 8 classes in my Pre-Med sequence (biochemistry, Second Organic Chem, Microbiology, Anatomy and Physiology, Physics 2, etc... and added a Graduate level molecular genetics class with a research project about the HIV virus......I got 7 A's and one B (organic)--hey noone is perfect huh? Anywho, I kissed ass with faculty at the (unmentioned) school and my parents have connections there....These factors aided me combined with the fact that my brother was already attending!-----AND I achieved a double digit composit on the MCAT (10)---back then (10) was very competitive----now in 2004 it is only better than average. I got offered a seat at ONE school and turned down by 12! (that really sucked but my 8 W's on my transcript from undergrad and my masters program killed me in the eyes of every other school I applied for.......The fact is as well that I am a MINORITY------------------------I repeat------------------MINORITY----------------all of these factors got me accepted. If you are a minority and/or female your chances are much better--*FACT*. White males are definitely discriminated against....Shortly after I fell ill------Psychological---(depression) resulting from a medical condition for over a year and could not attend.......I did a lot of thinking and although my whole family is MD's--mother, father, and brother (surgeon)......the whole thing seemed too morbid to me.....My undergraduate and masters degree are in Health Promotion and Education.......with primary prevention being the key theme......Medicine at the time to me seemed too involved in secondary and tertiary intervention and not enough preventative medicine and health promotion. I was offered an 80,000/year job in the Health and Fitness Equipment Industry and HONESTLY got greedy and went for the money....(I regret that choice.) I have spent many years with my father, mother, brother, and cousin----observing them and know very well what the MD (or DO---they are complete equals and acually a DO has an advantage with training in Manipulative Medicine OMM--Osteopathic Medical Manipulation) is all about. I am 30 years old and "school" tired......I can give of myself for 5 years and that's it! I am an athlete and will not slow down in that regard....Optometry gives me the window to being a primary care eye doctor in the most efficient amount of time and a much less stressful lifestyle....I will work 40 hours a week, will never be on call--thank GOD and pull $100K and I would be content with that...It gives me more time to be with my future wife and kids, be involved with my religion (activities), and being a part-time athlete.
Do I regret not going to the MD program----for a year I had some regrets BUT after I spent time with a couple of eye doctors I found out how Optometry was such a wonderful fit. So to answer you and that other guy that didn't believe me.......I CHOSE not to go because I knew I would not commit to 8-9 years to become an OMD......let's face it--it is a lot more work and I have no interest in surgery (for myself)--although I will lobby in my state to get LASIK surgery for my counterparts. So just understand that getting into an MD program is very tough but not impossible.....a close friend of mine applied for 3 YEARS and finally got in.....Anybody who is determined and intelligent can do it.

 

[MS3NavyFS2B]

Are you good looking? Maybe we could get coffee sometime?

"chuckling" congradulations on the Phd...I have a Masters and will probably stop after my OD.........Cheers!

By the way what is your sign?

You spelled congratulations wrong.