Official 2016-2017 Psychiatry Interview Thread

[bumbulbm]

I know some people suggest not emailing programs directly but I'm 3 for 4 on obtaining interviews this way.

I'm 0/2-- maybe I just contacted the wrong programs

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[sazerac]

I'm 0/2-- maybe I just contacted the wrong programs

1/4 here. But damn, than 1 responded with an interview offer like 12 hours after my email.

 

[clozareal]

1/4 here. But damn, than 1 responded with an interview offer like 12 hours after my email.

Really? I haven't tried yet and I don't think I will since I'm already fatigued from this interview season. Also, the programs I haven't heard back from are those lower on my preliminary rank list. What do programs do in those 12 hours? Do they have a "potential interview" pile and then offer an interview if you contact them? Would they have offered an interview later on if you didn't email them? Or is emailing them the only way to get an interview?

This makes this process even more of a game than it actually is because what's to stop someone from sending ALL their programs an interest email?

 

[psychhopefull2016]

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Really? I haven't tried yet and I don't think I will since I'm already fatigued from this interview season. Also, the programs I haven't heard back from are those lower on my preliminary rank list. What do programs do in those 12 hours? Do they have a "potential interview" pile and then offer an interview if you contact them? Would they have offered an interview later on if you didn't email them? Or is emailing them the only way to get an interview?

This makes this process even more of a game than it actually is because what's to stop someone from sending ALL their programs an interest email?

I'm 2/2 and one I literally got 15 minutes after I sent the email so maybe I was on top of their "maybe" pile?

 

[clozareal]

I'm 2/2 and one I literally got 15 minutes after I sent the email so maybe I was on top of their "maybe" pile?

Interesting. I've heard of programs only offering interviews to those who send an interest email. Anyone else heard this on the interview trail?

I'm glad we have this discussion going because this is something that DEFINITELY needs to be more transparent otherwise some of us are going to get screwed from places we might really want to go to but didn't know that there was an additional hidden step.

 

[Mailbird]

I got two this way, both at places I had in my top ten before applying, one in my top three.

One came one business day after I sent the email. However I spoke to other people at different interviews that also sent interest emails to that same program and they did not get an interview. So I believe that you must be a solid candidate on the fence for an interview anyway. It was clear they were still reviewing the apps closely after the interest email in my opinion, but what do I know.

The other one took about a month to get. Most likely after someone cancelled. Again I think I was probably competitive for this program regardless, but with the way people are applying to 40 plus places, you just don't know why you get some and not others. I'm super psyched though and it means the email didn't hurt my chances.

I sent two others, one I got an actual rejection a month later and the other a "thanks for your interest" and nothing else. So who knows.

For what it's worth I am a US MD with steps in 240+ range.

 

[pinkpolkadoc]

Really? I haven't tried yet and I don't think I will since I'm already fatigued from this interview season. Also, the programs I haven't heard back from are those lower on my preliminary rank list. What do programs do in those 12 hours? Do they have a "potential interview" pile and then offer an interview if you contact them? Would they have offered an interview later on if you didn't email them? Or is emailing them the only way to get an interview?

This makes this process even more of a game than it actually is because what's to stop someone from sending ALL their programs an interest email?

These are all very good questions.

I like to think I would have gotten invites eventually from programs I contacted, that this was just speeding up the process so I could make travel plans a little easier but who knows. With the increase in applicants AND applications per applicant, it made sense to me to identify myself as someone who is TRULY interested in a program when it isn't readily apparent from my application.

As an aside, I also made a little mistake with ERAS where I missed assigning my exam scores & photo to a good chunk of programs right away. Sooooo...there's that.

Anyway, my advice is to target a few programs you are really interested in if you haven't heard from them by now. The worst case scenario is silence. But don't be the person who emails every program...please?


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[OrangeOrange]

These are all very good questions.

I like to think I would have gotten invites eventually from programs I contacted, that this was just speeding up the process so I could make travel plans a little easier but who knows. With the increase in applicants AND applications per applicant, it made sense to me to identify myself as someone who is TRULY interested in a program when it isn't readily apparent from my application.

As an aside, I also made a little mistake with ERAS where I missed assigning my exam scores & photo to a good chunk of programs right away. Sooooo...there's that.

Anyway, my advice is to target a few programs you are really interested in if you haven't heard from them by now. The worst case scenario is silence. But don't be the person who emails every program...please?


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Was the basis of your interest in the places you emailed geography, some aspect of the program, or both? Do they care about one more than the other? Asking because I have geographic ties to places that may not be evident from skimming my application

 

[prok]

Interesting. I've heard of programs only offering interviews to those who send an interest email. Anyone else heard this on the interview trail?

I'm glad we have this discussion going because this is something that DEFINITELY needs to be more transparent otherwise some of us are going to get screwed from places we might really want to go to but didn't know that there was an additional hidden step.

I did get an interview within 30 mins or so of contacting a program, but I don't think it changed that much. The PD mentioned that he had just not gotten to my file yet but pulled it when he saw my email.

I don't think it's fair to call it an additional hidden step. That seems like it would lead to everyone contacting every program they applied to. Program directors would probably just get really annoyed.

 

[pinkpolkadoc]

Was the basis of your interest in the places you emailed geography, some aspect of the program, or both? Do they care about one more than the other? Asking because I have geographic ties to places that may not be evident from skimming my application

It's a combination of both. Geography definitely factors in strongly for me but I'm not reaching out to programs unless I'm genuinely interested in the program for its educational merits. These were all programs in my top 10-15 to begin with


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[clozareal]

I did get an interview within 30 mins or so of contacting a program, but I don't think it changed that much. The PD mentioned that he had just not gotten to my file yet but pulled it when he saw my email.

I don't think it's fair to call it an additional hidden step. That seems like it would lead to everyone contacting every program they applied to. Program directors would probably just get really annoyed.

Yes I agree. I don't think that emailing every program would be a good idea, and I would never do that. I also think that applying to more programs than needed probably annoys program directors since it might be hard to tell whether the applicant is truly serious about considering their program. However, emailing the program and putting your application at the top of the 1000+ other people they haven't gotten to seems like an unfair advantage on its own.

Given that there is a huge spike in applications per program, should it be a standard to email the top 3-5 programs that you want to match to? If so, when should an applicant send that email?



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[prok]

Yes I agree. I don't think that emailing every program would be a good idea, and I would never do that. I also think that applying to more programs than needed probably annoys program directors since it might be hard to tell whether the applicant is truly serious about considering their program. However, emailing the program and putting your application at the top of the 1000+ other people they haven't gotten to seems like an unfair advantage on its own.

Given that there is a huge spike in applications per program, should it be a standard to email the top 3-5 programs that you want to match to? If so, when should an applicant send that email?



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Does being reviewed a little earlier actually make a huge difference though? He would have reviewed my application eventually anyway.

The problem with this line of thinking is that it would turn into a situation where applicants email everywhere. It probably doesn't hurt to send emails to your top choices if you haven't heard from them later in the cycle (my home PD and deans already encourage this), but anything else seems excessive.

 

[sazerac]

My local Psych Interest Group said the time to send emails was October 10th. Supposedly it was really effective last year. Out of politeness I waited until October 15th this year, since I had "enough" interviews already, but I really wanted these four sites (which were not big name programs by any means... one is a brand new this year community program).

All four letters went to places for reasons of geography, not an aspect of the program.

 

[OrangeOrange]

All four letters went to places for reasons of geography, not an aspect of the program.

Did you specifically mention the geographic connection in the emails to the programs? (In addition to singing their academic praises, of course.)

 

[sazerac]

Michigan State University! Only one date available, and it's a waitlist position. Umm, thanks?!?

Also did some pre-Thanksgiving housecleaning myself:
Declined Texas A&M S&W, 2 dates fully available
Declined North Dakota

Alabama:
University of South Alabama - jimbobpsych(09/19), TheFuture_22 (9/19)
UAB - jimbobpsych(09/19)
Arizona:
University of Arizona-Phoenix - pure skill (9/23)
University of Arizona-Tucson - pumpingions (9/16), nickbrody (9/19), pure skill (9/20), sazerac (10/20)
MIHS - sazerac (10/4)
Arkansas:
University of Arkansas - sunshine1324 (10/6), TheFuture_22 (10/17)
California:
CPMC - laryngitis227 (10/5), joakin17 (10/6), applebell (10/7), Peterskeys (10/7)
UC Davis - notamindreader (10/5), sunshine1324 (10/4), Peterskeys (10/14)
UC Irvine - prok (10/10), sazerac (10/10), clozareal (10/10), sassquatch (10/10)
UCLA-Semel - TedFerguson (10/28), clozareal (11/4), sassquatch (11/7)
UCLA-Harbor - coyotelime (10/3), clozareal (10/3), Dr. Gatz (10/3), laryngitis227 (10/3), vitamin H (10/5)
UCLA-Kern - amoeboid (9/26), Dr. Hip (9/26)
UCLA-SFV - laryngitis227 (10/7), sazerac (10/7), coyotelime (10/7), Peterskeys (10/7), clozareal (10/7) Dr. Gatz (10/7), vitamin H (10/7), joakin17 (10/7)
UC Riverside - clozareal (9/21), joakin17 (9/28), vitamin H (10/1)
UCSF - clozareal (9/28), TedFerguson (10/5), RollForever (10/17)
UCSF-Fresno - amoeboid (10/11), vitamin H (10/4)
UCSD - vitamin H (9/28), TedFerguson (10/19)
San Mateo - notamindreader (9/23), laryngitis227 (9/30), kirby (10/4), clozareal (11/9)
USC - HIPAA Violation (10/2), Peterskeys (10/2), Dr. Gatz (10/2), clozareal (10/3), Vitamin H (10/2), joakin17 (10/7)
Stanford - downingstreet (10/2), clozareal (10/16), TedFerguson (10/21)
Loma Linda - clozareal (9/30)
Kaiser Southern California - joakin17 (9/26)
Kaweah Delta - amoeboid (9/28), Dr. Hip (10/5)
Colorado:
University of Colorado - therunner12 (9/19), digitallion (9/19), Dr. Gatz (9/19), AtlasCarraway (9/23),
Connecticut:
UConn - ArcArsenal (9/19), DrTBone (9/21), VitaminS (10/17), Dr. Hip (10/13)
Yale - Bifteck (10/05), TedFerguson (10/5), kirby (10/11). vitamins(10/19)
Institute of Living/Hartford Hospital - carbaspazapine (10/11)
Florida:
UCF - Grapefruit17 (9/20), sazerac (9/23), TheFuture_22 (9/28), DrTBone (10,3)
UF-Gainesville - jimbobpsych(09/23), TheFuture_22 (9/30), Grapefruit17 (9/30)
UF-Jacksonville - TheFuture_22 (10/10)
USF - amoeboid (9/21), TheFuture_22 (10/5), sazerac (10/5), Jimbobpsych (10/11)
Miami/Jackson - joakin17 (10/10), Peterskeys (10/17)
Georgia:
Augusta - AtlasCarraway (9/16), TheFuture_22 (9/16), Dr. Harambe (9/16), grapefruit17 (9/29), jimbobpsych (10/13)
Emory - psychhopefull2016 (9/16), digitallion (9/15), coyotelime (9/24), Peterskeys (10/18)
Hawaii:
UH - joakin17 (9/28)
Illinois:
University of Illinois-Chicago - prok (9/30), coyotelime (9/30), Peterskeys (10/3), sazerac (10/3)
University of Illinois-Peoria - grapefruit17(9/17), nickbrody (9/17)
Loyola Stritch - Peterskeys(9/19), psych094 (9/19)
University of Chicago - HIPAA Violation (9/19), seroquel (9/26), carbaspazapine (10/18), sassquatch (11/3)
Northwestern - psychhopefull2016 (9/27), coyotelime (10/6), TedFerguson (10/6), kirby (10/6)
Southern Illinois University - ruralpsychguy (9/30), Dr. Hip (11/2)
Rush - sassquatch (10/11), Peterskeys (10/18), nickbrody (10/19)
Indiana:
Indiana University - seroquel (9/19), HIPAA Violation (9/19) pinkpolkadoc 9/21), prok (9/21), TheFuture_22 (10/17)
Indiana University (Triple Board) - pinkpolkadoc (9/21)
Community Hospital - bertad01 (09/16) pinkpolkadoc (9/16)
Iowa:
University of Iowa - kirby (9/27), ruralpsychguy (9/30), seroquel (10/7)
Kansas:
University of Kansas-Kansas City - nickbrody (9/20), Grapefruit17 (1o/9), TheFuture_22 (10/9), AtlasCarraway (10/9)
University of Kansas-Wichita - bertad01 (09/15), TheFuture_22 (9/27)
Kentucky:
Louisville - twospadz (9/16), pinkpolkadoc (10/3)
Kentucky - twospadz (9/29)
Louisiana:
Tulane - sazerac (9/16)
LSU New Orleans - sazerac (9/19)
LSU OLOL Baton Rouge - sazerac (9/20), DrTBone (9/20), psychout222 (10/11)
Maine:
Maine Medical Center - carbaspazapine (10/7), VitaminS (10/7)
Maryland:
University of Maryland - psychhopefull2016 (9/21), sassquatch (9/23), Dr. Harambe (10/3), digitallion (10/11), TheFuture_22 (11/14)
Johns Hopkins - sloop (9/16), Dr. Gatz (9/16), sassquatch (10/10)
Massachusetts:
UMASS - sloop (9/16), carbaspazapine (9/23), notamindreader (9/23), aberrydulldoc (10/6), sazerac (11/4)
UMass Integrated Adult/Child - ruralpsychguy (9/19), VitaminS (10/3)
UMMS-Baystate-- bumbulbm (10/18), sazerac (10/18)
Cambridge Health Alliance - drshoes (9/22), clozareal (9/27), VitaminS (10/11), coyotelime (10/19)
BIDMC-Harvard - JenLeav (9/22), VitaminS (9/22) clozareal (9/26), Thomasina (10/11), sassquatch (10/11), sloop (10/11)
Tufts - coyotelime (9/26)
McLean/MGH - coyotelime (9/30), clozareal (9/30)
Brigham - sassquatch (10/3), carbaspazapine (10/3), TedFerguson (10/3), clozareal (10/3), Dr. Gatz (10/6), VitaminS (10/12)
Harvard South Shore - duyvtr (10/6), sloop (10/11), digitallion (10/19)
BU/BMC - carbaspazapine (10/14), VitaminS (10/14)
Michigan:
Pine Rest - sazerac (9/27), TheFuture_22 (9/27), pinkpolkadoc (9/29)
University of Michigan - TedFerguson (10/3) Dr. Qui (11/16)
Central Michigan University - Dr. Hip (10/14)
Michigan State University - sazerac (11/23)
Minnesota:
HCMC - psych094 (9/22), JenLeav (9/22), seroquel (10/10/)
University of Minnesota - kirby (9/15)
Mayo Clinic - Seroquel (10/17), clozareal (10/17), TheFuture_22 (11/17)
Missouri:
University of Missouri-Columbia - bertad01 (09/16), nickbrody (9/20), ruralpsychguy (9/21)
WashU - ruralpsychguy (9/23), kirby (10/3), carbaspazepine (10/28)
SLU - twospadz(10/3)
University of Missouri, Kansas City - sunshine1324 (10/6)
Nebraska:
Creighton-Nebraska - JenLeav(9/21)
Nevada:
New Hampshire:
Dartmouth - sazerac (9/28), VitaminS (9/28), ruralpsychguy (9/28), kirby (10/4), sloop (10/4), carbaspazapine (10/11)
New Jersey:
Rutgers NJMS - nickbrody (10/5)
Rutgers RWJMS - Grapefruit17 (10/7), bumbulbm (10/19)
New Mexico:
UNM - psychatross (9/20), Dr. Harambe (9/27), carbaspazapine (9/27), sazerac (9/27), notamindreader (9/27), vitamin H (9/27)
New York:
Columbia - Bifteck (10/7), TedFerguson (10/7), clozareal (10/30)
Cornell - TedFerguson (9/28), downingstreet (9/28), aberrydulldoc (10/5), thomasina (10/6), digitallion (10/18)
NYU - TedFerguson (9/20), downingstreet (9/20), clozareal (10/3), sassquatch (10/4), Dr. Qui (11/16)
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine - digitallion (10/7), sloop (10/7)
Mt. Sinai Icahn - TedFerguson (9/21), downingstreet (9/21), therunner12 (9/22), prok (9/22), sassquatch (10/17), digitallion (10/18)
Mt. Sinai Beth Israel - sloop (9/20), therunner12 (9/20), digitallion (9/29), joakin17 (10/5), aberrydulldoc (10/5)
Mt. Sinai St. Luke's-Roosevelt - aberrydulldoc (10/5), digitallion (10/11)
Buffalo - psychhopefull2016 (9/22), sazerac (10/17)
Hofstra Staten Island - ArcArsenal (9/22)
Hofstra Northwell - coyotelime (10/17), VitaminS (10/17), sloop (10/18), Seroquel (10/24), digitallion (10/24)
Rochester - psychhopefull2016 (9/23), VitaminS(9/26), ArcArsenal (10/6)
SUNY Downstate - digitallion (10/12), sassquatch (10/17), joakin17 (10/26), Dr. Qui (10/26)
SUNY Upstate - bumbulbm (9/23)
Albany - bumbulbm (9/26), nickbrody (9/27), VitaminS( 9/27), DrTBone (9/30)
Stony Brook - sloop (9/28), nickbrody (9/30)
Westchester Medical Center (NYMC) - bumbulbm (10/25)
Richmond University Medical Center - Dr. Hip (10/12)
North Carolina:
Carolinas Medical Center - TheFuture_22 (9/16), nontradst (09/15)
Duke - sloop (10/17)
ECU - TheFuture_22 (9/21), Dr. Hip (10/17)
University of North Carolina - Dr. Harambe (9/19), therunner12 (9/19), VitaminS (9/19), sazerac (10/4)
Wake Forest - TheFuture_22 (9/19), sazerac (11/2)
MAHEC Asheville - jimbobpsych (09/21), sazerac (9/21), TheFuture_22 (9/22)
North Dakota:
University of North Dakota - sazerac (10/17)
Ohio:
Case Western (UHCMC) - pinkpolkadoc (9/23), ruralpsychguy (9/23), proc (9/23), notamindreader (9/23), psychatross (9/26), Subconscious (10/6)
Cleveland Clinic - psychatross (9/26), prok (9/26), Dr. Gatz (9/26), psychhopefull2016, seroquel (9/30)
Ohio State - JenLeav (9/20), seroquel (9/20), proc (9/21), nickbrody (9/26)
Cincinnati - psychhopefull2016 (10/6), pinkpolkadoc (10/14)
Wright State - pinkpolkadoc (10/12)
Case Western Metrohealth - Dr. Hip (10/3)
University of Toledo - Dr. Qui (10/7)
Oklahoma:
OU Tulsa - AtlasCarraway (9/19), TheFuture_22 (9/19)
Griffin Memorial - AtlasCarraway (9/22)
OU Oklahoma City - AtlasCarraway (9/26)
Oregon:
Samaritan Health - Grapefruit17 (10/7)
OHSU - psychatross (10/12), Dr. Gatz (10/12)
Pennsylvania:
Geisinger - bumbulbm (9/19), i0shez0i (9/19)
Temple - sloop (9/21), sassquatch (9/26), VitaminS (10/17), Subconscious (10/17)
UPMC - psychhopefull2016 (9/24), aberrydulldoc (10/18), psychout222 (10/18)
PSU - i0shez0i (9/22), Dr. Qui (11/14)
Drexel - nickbrody (9/26), sloop (9/26), sassquatch (9/26)
AGH - psychhopefull2016 (9/27), bumbulbm (9/27)
Wright Center - bumbulbm (9/30)
Penn - TedFerguson (9/30), downingstreet (9/30), aberrydulldoc (9/30), VitaminS (9/30)
Jefferson - aberrydulldoc (10/3), sloop (10/6), joakin17 (10/11)
Rhode Island:
Brown - psychhopefull2016 (10/4), sloop (11/8), sassquatch (11/9)
South Carolina:
Palmetto Health (Columbia, SC) - pure skill (9/19)
USC Greenville - Grapefruit17 (10/03), jimbobpsych (10/5)
MUSC-Charleston - Peterskeys (10/11), psychout222 (10/18)
South Dakota:
University of South Dakota - bertad01 (09/16)
Tennessee:
Vanderbilt - sassquatch (9/23), coyotelime (9/29), downingstreet (9/30), jimbobpsych (10/5), dyuvtr(11/8)
University of Tennessee - TheFuture_22 (10/03), Dr. Hip (10/3)
ETSU - Bnmakr1 (10/6), sazerac (10/13), jimbobpsych (10/27)
Texas:
Baylor - psychatross (10/3)
JPS - AtlasCarraway (9/19), Grapefruit17 (10/17)
S&W - psychatross (9/19), prok (9/22), AtlasCarraway (9/22), sazerac (10/3)
UT Houston - psychatross (10/5)
UTMB - prok (9/20), AtlasCarraway (9/28)
UT-Tyler - TheFuture_22 (9/16), vitamin H (9/16)
UT-Southwestern - therunner12 (9/19), psychatross (9/19), duyvtr (9/19), kirby (9/19), prok (9/22), coyotelime (10/21)
UTHSCSA - AtlasCarraway (9/19), prok (9/19), psychatross (9/19)
Texas Tech Lubbock - AtlasCarraway (9/27), sazerac (9/29)
UT Austin - duyvtr(10/7), AtlasCarraway (10/7), psychatross (10/7)
Utah:
University of Utah - sizamtaylor (9/20), sazerac (9/20), vitamin H (10/11)
Vermont:
University of Vermont - nickbrody (10/13), VitaminS (10/13), carbaspazapine (10/26)
Virginia:
Eastern Virginia Medical School - EvilSpawn (9/19), TheFuture_22 (9/29), AtlasCarraway (9/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University - EvilSpawn (9/19), TheFuture_22 (10/03)
University of Virginia - carbaspazapine (10/5), sunshine1324 (10/3)
West Virginia:
WVU - twospadz (9/29), pinkpolkadoc (9/29), psychout222 (10/12)
CAMC - psychout222 (10/12)
Washington:
Providence Sacred Heart - pumpingions (9/19), sazerac (9/19)
University of Washington - TedFerguson (10/4), RollForever (10/5), Vitamin H (10/11)
Washington DC:
Georgetown - sassquatch (9/20), joakin17 (9/20), sloop (9/26), seroquel (10/28)
George Washington University - joakin17 (10/11), duyvtr (10/12), subconscious (10/18), sassquatch (10/27)
Saint Elizabeths - joakin17 (10/13)
Howard University - joakin17 (10/26)
Wisconsin:
University of Wisconsin - psych094 (9/15), ruralpsychguy (9/16), kirby (9/20), notamindreader (9/23)
Medical College of Wisconsin - Milwaukee - seroquel (10/9)
Medical College of Wisconsin - Central - Subconscious (10/5)

 

[sazerac]

Did you specifically mention the geographic connection in the emails to the programs? (In addition to singing their academic praises, of course.)

Oh I only mentioned geography. I didn't sing any additional program praises. I just wanted to let them know I was a very serious applicant for (obscure geographical) reasons that weren't readily apparent from my ERAS app. Connections to my wife, connections from high school, etc.

 

[peterskeys]

Irvine (11/15), Vanderbilt (11/21)
Got last date at Irvine and Vandy. Did interview with Irvine, Davis and Loyola already. I am canceling Vandy.
Alabama:
University of South Alabama - jimbobpsych(09/19), TheFuture_22 (9/19)
UAB - jimbobpsych(09/19)
Arizona:
University of Arizona-Phoenix - pure skill (9/23)
University of Arizona-Tucson - pumpingions (9/16), nickbrody (9/19), pure skill (9/20), sazerac (10/20)
MIHS - sazerac (10/4)
Arkansas:
University of Arkansas - sunshine1324 (10/6), TheFuture_22 (10/17)
California:
CPMC - laryngitis227 (10/5), joakin17 (10/6), applebell (10/7), Peterskeys (10/7)
UC Davis - notamindreader (10/5), sunshine1324 (10/4), Peterskeys (10/14)
UC Irvine - prok (10/10), sazerac (10/10), clozareal (10/10), sassquatch (10/10), Peter's keys (11/15)
UCLA-Semel - TedFerguson (10/28), clozareal (11/4), sassquatch (11/7)
UCLA-Harbor - coyotelime (10/3), clozareal (10/3), Dr. Gatz (10/3), laryngitis227 (10/3), vitamin H (10/5)
UCLA-Kern - amoeboid (9/26), Dr. Hip (9/26)
UCLA-SFV - laryngitis227 (10/7), sazerac (10/7), coyotelime (10/7), Peterskeys (10/7), clozareal (10/7) Dr. Gatz (10/7), vitamin H (10/7), joakin17 (10/7)
UC Riverside - clozareal (9/21), joakin17 (9/28), vitamin H (10/1)
UCSF - clozareal (9/28), TedFerguson (10/5), RollForever (10/17)
UCSF-Fresno - amoeboid (10/11), vitamin H (10/4)
UCSD - vitamin H (9/28), TedFerguson (10/19)
San Mateo - notamindreader (9/23), laryngitis227 (9/30), kirby (10/4), clozareal (11/9)
USC - HIPAA Violation (10/2), Peterskeys (10/2), Dr. Gatz (10/2), clozareal (10/3), Vitamin H (10/2), joakin17 (10/7)
Stanford - downingstreet (10/2), clozareal (10/16), TedFerguson (10/21)
Loma Linda - clozareal (9/30)
Kaiser Southern California - joakin17 (9/26)
Kaweah Delta - amoeboid (9/28), Dr. Hip (10/5)
Colorado:
University of Colorado - therunner12 (9/19), digitallion (9/19), Dr. Gatz (9/19), AtlasCarraway (9/23),
Connecticut:
UConn - ArcArsenal (9/19), DrTBone (9/21), VitaminS (10/17), Dr. Hip (10/13)
Yale - Bifteck (10/05), TedFerguson (10/5), kirby (10/11). vitamins(10/19)
Institute of Living/Hartford Hospital - carbaspazapine (10/11)
Florida:
UCF - Grapefruit17 (9/20), sazerac (9/23), TheFuture_22 (9/28), DrTBone (10,3)
UF-Gainesville - jimbobpsych(09/23), TheFuture_22 (9/30), Grapefruit17 (9/30)
UF-Jacksonville - TheFuture_22 (10/10)
USF - amoeboid (9/21), TheFuture_22 (10/5), sazerac (10/5), Jimbobpsych (10/11)
Miami/Jackson - joakin17 (10/10), Peterskeys (10/17)
Georgia:
Augusta - AtlasCarraway (9/16), TheFuture_22 (9/16), Dr. Harambe (9/16), grapefruit17 (9/29), jimbobpsych (10/13)
Emory - psychhopefull2016 (9/16), digitallion (9/15), coyotelime (9/24), Peterskeys (10/18)
Hawaii:
UH - joakin17 (9/28)
Illinois:
University of Illinois-Chicago - prok (9/30), coyotelime (9/30), Peterskeys (10/3), sazerac (10/3)
University of Illinois-Peoria - grapefruit17(9/17), nickbrody (9/17)
Loyola Stritch - Peterskeys(9/19), psych094 (9/19)
University of Chicago - HIPAA Violation (9/19), seroquel (9/26), carbaspazapine (10/18), sassquatch (11/3)
Northwestern - psychhopefull2016 (9/27), coyotelime (10/6), TedFerguson (10/6), kirby (10/6)
Southern Illinois University - ruralpsychguy (9/30), Dr. Hip (11/2)
Rush - sassquatch (10/11), Peterskeys (10/18), nickbrody (10/19)
Indiana:
Indiana University - seroquel (9/19), HIPAA Violation (9/19) pinkpolkadoc 9/21), prok (9/21), TheFuture_22 (10/17)
Indiana University (Triple Board) - pinkpolkadoc (9/21)
Community Hospital - bertad01 (09/16) pinkpolkadoc (9/16)
Iowa:
University of Iowa - kirby (9/27), ruralpsychguy (9/30), seroquel (10/7)
Kansas:
University of Kansas-Kansas City - nickbrody (9/20), Grapefruit17 (1o/9), TheFuture_22 (10/9), AtlasCarraway (10/9)
University of Kansas-Wichita - bertad01 (09/15), TheFuture_22 (9/27)
Kentucky:
Louisville - twospadz (9/16), pinkpolkadoc (10/3)
Kentucky - twospadz (9/29)
Louisiana:
Tulane - sazerac (9/16)
LSU New Orleans - sazerac (9/19)
LSU OLOL Baton Rouge - sazerac (9/20), DrTBone (9/20), psychout222 (10/11)
Maine:
Maine Medical Center - carbaspazapine (10/7), VitaminS (10/7)
Maryland:
University of Maryland - psychhopefull2016 (9/21), sassquatch (9/23), Dr. Harambe (10/3), digitallion (10/11), TheFuture_22 (11/14)
Johns Hopkins - sloop (9/16), Dr. Gatz (9/16), sassquatch (10/10)
Massachusetts:
UMASS - sloop (9/16), carbaspazapine (9/23), notamindreader (9/23), aberrydulldoc (10/6), sazerac (11/4)
UMass Integrated Adult/Child - ruralpsychguy (9/19), VitaminS (10/3)
UMMS-Baystate-- bumbulbm (10/18), sazerac (10/18)
Cambridge Health Alliance - drshoes (9/22), clozareal (9/27), VitaminS (10/11), coyotelime (10/19)
BIDMC-Harvard - JenLeav (9/22), VitaminS (9/22) clozareal (9/26), Thomasina (10/11), sassquatch (10/11), sloop (10/11)
Tufts - coyotelime (9/26)
McLean/MGH - coyotelime (9/30), clozareal (9/30)
Brigham - sassquatch (10/3), carbaspazapine (10/3), TedFerguson (10/3), clozareal (10/3), Dr. Gatz (10/6), VitaminS (10/12)
Harvard South Shore - duyvtr (10/6), sloop (10/11), digitallion (10/19)
BU/BMC - carbaspazapine (10/14), VitaminS (10/14)
Michigan:
Pine Rest - sazerac (9/27), TheFuture_22 (9/27), pinkpolkadoc (9/29)
University of Michigan - TedFerguson (10/3) Dr. Qui (11/16)
Central Michigan University - Dr. Hip (10/14)
Michigan State University - sazerac (11/23)
Minnesota:
HCMC - psych094 (9/22), JenLeav (9/22), seroquel (10/10/)
University of Minnesota - kirby (9/15)
Mayo Clinic - Seroquel (10/17), clozareal (10/17), TheFuture_22 (11/17)
Missouri:
University of Missouri-Columbia - bertad01 (09/16), nickbrody (9/20), ruralpsychguy (9/21)
WashU - ruralpsychguy (9/23), kirby (10/3), carbaspazepine (10/28)
SLU - twospadz(10/3)
University of Missouri, Kansas City - sunshine1324 (10/6)
Nebraska:
Creighton-Nebraska - JenLeav(9/21)
Nevada:
New Hampshire:
Dartmouth - sazerac (9/28), VitaminS (9/28), ruralpsychguy (9/28), kirby (10/4), sloop (10/4), carbaspazapine (10/11)
New Jersey:
Rutgers NJMS - nickbrody (10/5)
Rutgers RWJMS - Grapefruit17 (10/7), bumbulbm (10/19)
New Mexico:
UNM - psychatross (9/20), Dr. Harambe (9/27), carbaspazapine (9/27), sazerac (9/27), notamindreader (9/27), vitamin H (9/27)
New York:
Columbia - Bifteck (10/7), TedFerguson (10/7), clozareal (10/30)
Cornell - TedFerguson (9/28), downingstreet (9/28), aberrydulldoc (10/5), thomasina (10/6), digitallion (10/18)
NYU - TedFerguson (9/20), downingstreet (9/20), clozareal (10/3), sassquatch (10/4), Dr. Qui (11/16)
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine - digitallion (10/7), sloop (10/7)
Mt. Sinai Icahn - TedFerguson (9/21), downingstreet (9/21), therunner12 (9/22), prok (9/22), sassquatch (10/17), digitallion (10/18)
Mt. Sinai Beth Israel - sloop (9/20), therunner12 (9/20), digitallion (9/29), joakin17 (10/5), aberrydulldoc (10/5)
Mt. Sinai St. Luke's-Roosevelt - aberrydulldoc (10/5), digitallion (10/11)
Buffalo - psychhopefull2016 (9/22), sazerac (10/17)
Hofstra Staten Island - ArcArsenal (9/22)
Hofstra Northwell - coyotelime (10/17), VitaminS (10/17), sloop (10/18), Seroquel (10/24), digitallion (10/24)
Rochester - psychhopefull2016 (9/23), VitaminS(9/26), ArcArsenal (10/6)
SUNY Downstate - digitallion (10/12), sassquatch (10/17), joakin17 (10/26), Dr. Qui (10/26)
SUNY Upstate - bumbulbm (9/23)
Albany - bumbulbm (9/26), nickbrody (9/27), VitaminS( 9/27), DrTBone (9/30)
Stony Brook - sloop (9/28), nickbrody (9/30)
Westchester Medical Center (NYMC) - bumbulbm (10/25)
Richmond University Medical Center - Dr. Hip (10/12)
North Carolina:
Carolinas Medical Center - TheFuture_22 (9/16), nontradst (09/15)
Duke - sloop (10/17)
ECU - TheFuture_22 (9/21), Dr. Hip (10/17)
University of North Carolina - Dr. Harambe (9/19), therunner12 (9/19), VitaminS (9/19), sazerac (10/4)
Wake Forest - TheFuture_22 (9/19), sazerac (11/2)
MAHEC Asheville - jimbobpsych (09/21), sazerac (9/21), TheFuture_22 (9/22)
North Dakota:
University of North Dakota - sazerac (10/17)
Ohio:
Case Western (UHCMC) - pinkpolkadoc (9/23), ruralpsychguy (9/23), proc (9/23), notamindreader (9/23), psychatross (9/26), Subconscious (10/6)
Cleveland Clinic - psychatross (9/26), prok (9/26), Dr. Gatz (9/26), psychhopefull2016, seroquel (9/30)
Ohio State - JenLeav (9/20), seroquel (9/20), proc (9/21), nickbrody (9/26)
Cincinnati - psychhopefull2016 (10/6), pinkpolkadoc (10/14)
Wright State - pinkpolkadoc (10/12)
Case Western Metrohealth - Dr. Hip (10/3)
University of Toledo - Dr. Qui (10/7)
Oklahoma:
OU Tulsa - AtlasCarraway (9/19), TheFuture_22 (9/19)
Griffin Memorial - AtlasCarraway (9/22)
OU Oklahoma City - AtlasCarraway (9/26)
Oregon:
Samaritan Health - Grapefruit17 (10/7)
OHSU - psychatross (10/12), Dr. Gatz (10/12)
Pennsylvania:
Geisinger - bumbulbm (9/19), i0shez0i (9/19)
Temple - sloop (9/21), sassquatch (9/26), VitaminS (10/17), Subconscious (10/17)
UPMC - psychhopefull2016 (9/24), aberrydulldoc (10/18), psychout222 (10/18)
PSU - i0shez0i (9/22), Dr. Qui (11/14)
Drexel - nickbrody (9/26), sloop (9/26), sassquatch (9/26)
AGH - psychhopefull2016 (9/27), bumbulbm (9/27)
Wright Center - bumbulbm (9/30)
Penn - TedFerguson (9/30), downingstreet (9/30), aberrydulldoc (9/30), VitaminS (9/30)
Jefferson - aberrydulldoc (10/3), sloop (10/6), joakin17 (10/11)
Rhode Island:
Brown - psychhopefull2016 (10/4), sloop (11/8), sassquatch (11/9)
South Carolina:
Palmetto Health (Columbia, SC) - pure skill (9/19)
USC Greenville - Grapefruit17 (10/03), jimbobpsych (10/5)
MUSC-Charleston - Peterskeys (10/11), psychout222 (10/18)
South Dakota:
University of South Dakota - bertad01 (09/16)
Tennessee:
Vanderbilt - sassquatch (9/23), coyotelime (9/29), downingstreet (9/30), jimbobpsych (10/5), dyuvtr(11/8)
University of Tennessee - TheFuture_22 (10/03), Dr. Hip (10/3)
ETSU - Bnmakr1 (10/6), sazerac (10/13), jimbobpsych (10/27), Peterskeys (11/21)
Texas:
Baylor - psychatross (10/3)
JPS - AtlasCarraway (9/19), Grapefruit17 (10/17)
S&W - psychatross (9/19), prok (9/22), AtlasCarraway (9/22), sazerac (10/3)
UT Houston - psychatross (10/5)
UTMB - prok (9/20), AtlasCarraway (9/28)
UT-Tyler - TheFuture_22 (9/16), vitamin H (9/16)
UT-Southwestern - therunner12 (9/19), psychatross (9/19), duyvtr (9/19), kirby (9/19), prok (9/22), coyotelime (10/21)
UTHSCSA - AtlasCarraway (9/19), prok (9/19), psychatross (9/19)
Texas Tech Lubbock - AtlasCarraway (9/27), sazerac (9/29)
UT Austin - duyvtr(10/7), AtlasCarraway (10/7), psychatross (10/7)
Utah:
University of Utah - sizamtaylor (9/20), sazerac (9/20), vitamin H (10/11)
Vermont:
University of Vermont - nickbrody (10/13), VitaminS (10/13), carbaspazapine (10/26)
Virginia:
Eastern Virginia Medical School - EvilSpawn (9/19), TheFuture_22 (9/29), AtlasCarraway (9/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University - EvilSpawn (9/19), TheFuture_22 (10/03)
University of Virginia - carbaspazapine (10/5), sunshine1324 (10/3)
West Virginia:
WVU - twospadz (9/29), pinkpolkadoc (9/29), psychout222 (10/12)
CAMC - psychout222 (10/12)
Washington:
Providence Sacred Heart - pumpingions (9/19), sazerac (9/19)
University of Washington - TedFerguson (10/4), RollForever (10/5), Vitamin H (10/11)
Washington DC:
Georgetown - sassquatch (9/20), joakin17 (9/20), sloop (9/26), seroquel (10/28)
George Washington University - joakin17 (10/11), duyvtr (10/12), subconscious (10/18), sassquatch (10/27)
Saint Elizabeths - joakin17 (10/13)
Howard University - joakin17 (10/26)
Wisconsin:
University of Wisconsin - psych094 (9/15), ruralpsychguy (9/16), kirby (9/20), notamindreader (9/23)
Medical College of Wisconsin - Milwaukee - seroquel (10/9)
Medical College of Wisconsin - Central - Subconscious (10/5)

 

[Dr. Hip]

I know some people suggest not emailing programs directly but I'm 3 for 4 on obtaining interviews this way. (Haven't updated the thread to reflect this but I'll try to do that today). Could be a coincidence, but may be worth a shot for those of you looking to sync travel plans or with significant ties to an area! Happy Thanksgiving, all!


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Congrats on your success! 0/4 here

 

[thedoc89]

Rejection email from University of Texas Health Northeast. Their waiting list is also full. so they will not be inviting anyone else.

 

[psychhopefull2016]

Did everyone who interviewed at UPMC get a Thanksgiving email? Just working through my own neuroses here.

 

[clausewitz2]

Did everyone who interviewed at UPMC get a Thanksgiving email? Just working through my own neuroses here.

They did last year, so probably.

 

[VCorp]

I apologize if this is the wrong area to post but I'm asking for a friend who is interested in psych. He'd like to know what his chances are:

US-IMG
Step 1: 209
Step 2: 230
CS: failed the first time; passed 2nd time
Step 3: failed the first time; passed 2nd time
YOG: 2014. This is currently his third cycle that he's applying.

 

[3lefts]

Was he applying in another field? Does he have an US psych experience/letters? It is very helpful that he has passed step 3 but if he can't demonstrate true interest in psychiatry he will have trouble.


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[VCorp]

Was he applying in another field? Does he have an US psych experience/letters? It is very helpful that he has passed step 3 but if he can't demonstrate true interest in psychiatry he will have trouble.


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thanks for the response. he's applying to family medicine. yes, his 3rd/4th years of medical school experience were from US hospital settings. i understand that he passed step 3, but won't him having failed the first time around be considered a red flag, along with failing CS the first time around.

as for his interest in psychiatry, i believe it's a backup for him, as his first choice is still family medicine.

 

[stevesteve123]

tha

as for his interest in psychiatry, i believe it's a backup for him, as his first choice is still family medicine.

psych is arguably more competitive than FM right now.

if he really wants FM, just apply to all 400 programs and call it a day.

 

[Seroquel]

thanks for the response. he's applying to family medicine. yes, his 3rd/4th years of medical school experience were from US hospital settings. i understand that he passed step 3, but won't him having failed the first time around be considered a red flag, along with failing CS the first time around.

as for his interest in psychiatry, i believe it's a backup for him, as his first choice is still family medicine.

Psych as a back up for fam med?!? Yeah, no. I don't think that's ever been true, especially not recently.

 

[Blitz2006]

Psych as a back up for fam med?!? Yeah, no. I don't think that's ever been true, especially not recently.

Yeah, I have anectodal data, while only n=2. Both Carribean IMGs.

One applied for psych last 3 years, 2 IVs each year, no match. This year, decided, 'screw psych', lets try for IM. So far has 4 IVs and its only November.

Another didn't match last year in psych (only had 3 IVs last year). Trying again for Psych and IM, so far has interviews in IM only.

 

[W19]

I was told that it's easier to match into IM than FM.

 

[VCorp]

I was told that it's easier to match into IM than FM.

Not according to the NRMP data.

Psych as a back up for fam med?!? Yeah, no. I don't think that's ever been true, especially not recently.

Tell me about it. Not sure what he's thinking. He strongly believes that psych is the "bottom of the barrel" even though the numbers say otherwise.

 

[Blitz2006]

Not according to the NRMP data.




Tell me about it. Not sure what he's thinking. He strongly believes that psych is the "bottom of the barrel" even though the numbers say otherwise.

I think bottom of barrel now is Peds/FM. I think PMR and Psych will over take IM in 3-4 years. Maybe even Gas since Anesthesia has been in gridlock in numebr of apps for past 5-6 years and people are still scared of CRNAs. Just my 2 cents prediction.

I'm interested to see if Rads can continue its comeback....

 

[VCorp]

I think bottom of barrel now is Peds/FM. I think PMR and Psych will over take IM in 3-4 years. Maybe even Gas since Anesthesia has been in gridlock in numebr of apps for past 5-6 years and people are still scared of CRNAs. Just my 2 cents prediction.

I'm interested to see if Rads can continue its comeback....

Is there a reason you feel this way? Is due to the lifestyle of these specialties that's attracting more students in these areas?

 

[Blitz2006]

psych is arguably more competitive than FM right now.

if he really wants FM, just apply to all 400 programs and call it a day.

Agreed. With Step 3, he should be able to match somewhere I think.

Is there a reason you feel this way? Is due to the lifestyle of these specialties that's attracting more students in these areas?

Yes, Lifestyle is a major factor. But I am also convinced that $$ is a bigger driver than lifestyle.

10 years ago specialties like Cards/GI (50 hour week worker) earned on average 500-600k. While Psych (50 hour week) worker would earn around 180k. Fast forward to 2016, and now cards (50 hour worker) earns on average 350k, whereas psych (50 hour worker) earns on average 250k-275k. The gap has closed. And I suspect GI in the next few years will follow suit, as I've heard from medicine friends CMS is targeting scopes next on reimbursements.

But anyways, now medical students are starting to realize that waking up q4h at 3am to read a EKG for a possible STEMI for the next 40 years might not be worth the extra 75-100k/year, especially with the income gap closing. And with job market, again, psych >>> cards/GI/HemeOnc. So why not do Psych instead? And in no way am I trying to belittle cards, I'm just stating practical reasons. So the attraction of doing fellowship after IM I believe is dropping. So now medical students are contemplating about the prospects of Hospitalists. Again, you can definitely make good $ as a Hospitalist. I've heard 350k-400k number in the midwest, but you have to work like a madman in an 'undesirable' location. I've also seen job offers for psych for 350k in undesirable locations. The average hospitalist in the country probably hits around 220k, maybe 240k, so definitely not higher than psych, and I suspect a bit lower overall. So again, I'm not slamming hospitalists, but for practical reasons, why not do Psych for 250k?

Its the same reason why Rads has plummeted in the past 5 years. Sure, job market has been terrible. But reimbursements have been hit badly as well, and from what I've heard, its no longer a "lifestyle" specialty in terms of hours. So 10 years ago Rads were pulling an easy 450k-500k for 40 hour weeks. I know the starting salary for Radiologist at my hospital (NYC area) is 275k. and on calls in Rads is apparently brutal nowadays. Just swing over to the Rads forums.

Again, this is just my 2 cents. I haven't commented on PMR because I'm pretty clueless on PMR salaries, but I suspect lifestyle is a huge driver for their specialty zooming up recently.

 

[VCorp]

Agreed. With Step 3, he should be able to match somewhere I think.


Yes, Lifestyle is a major factor. But I am also convinced that $$ is a bigger driver than lifestyle.

10 years ago specialties like Cards/GI (50 hour week worker) earned on average 500-600k. While Psych (50 hour week) worker would earn around 180k. Fast forward to 2016, and now cards (50 hour worker) earns on average 350k, whereas psych (50 hour worker) earns on average 250k-275k. The gap has closed. And I suspect GI in the next few years will follow suit, as I've heard from medicine friends CMS is targeting scopes next on reimbursements.

But anyways, now medical students are starting to realize that waking up q4h at 3am to read a EKG for a possible STEMI for the next 40 years might not be worth the extra 75-100k/year, especially with the income gap closing. And with job market, again, psych >>> cards/GI/HemeOnc. So why not do Psych instead? And in no way am I trying to belittle cards, I'm just stating practical reasons. So the attraction of doing fellowship after IM I believe is dropping. So now medical students are contemplating about the prospects of Hospitalists. Again, you can definitely make good $ as a Hospitalist. I've heard 350k-400k number in the midwest, but you have to work like a madman in an 'undesirable' location. I've also seen job offers for psych for 350k in undesirable locations. The average hospitalist in the country probably hits around 220k, maybe 240k, so definitely not higher than psych, and I suspect a bit lower overall. So again, I'm not slamming hospitalists, but for practical reasons, why not do Psych for 250k?

Its the same reason why Rads has plummeted in the past 5 years. Sure, job market has been terrible. But reimbursements have been hit badly as well, and from what I've heard, its no longer a "lifestyle" specialty in terms of hours. So 10 years ago Rads were pulling an easy 450k-500k for 40 hour weeks. I know the starting salary for Radiologist at my hospital (NYC area) is 275k. and on calls in Rads is apparently brutal nowadays. Just swing over to the Rads forums.

Again, this is just my 2 cents. I haven't commented on PMR because I'm pretty clueless on PMR salaries, but I suspect lifestyle is a huge driver for their specialty zooming up recently.

Thank you for the informative post. My Mom is a psychiatrist and she laughs at me that I want to do surgery instead of psych. Tells me is it really worth the lifestyle of killing yourself to become a surgeon? I know mean she wells.

As for the first part of your post, you don't think having failed Step 3 AND CS the first time around will be a problem matching, in addition to having graduated 3 years ago.

 

[aksame]

Yeah, I have anectodal data, while only n=2. Both Carribean IMGs.

One applied for psych last 3 years, 2 IVs each year, no match. This year, decided, 'screw psych', lets try for IM. So far has 4 IVs and its only November.

Another didn't match last year in psych (only had 3 IVs last year). Trying again for Psych and IM, so far has interviews in IM only.

Add one more, now n=3. non-US IMG applied for psych, and not matched last year. Then I looked at the data, and understand it is actually easier to apply for IM, and this year I got more ivs in IM than psych, even with majority of my LORs and package from Psych.

 

[Blitz2006]

Thank you for the informative post. My Mom is a psychiatrist and she laughs at me that I want to do surgery instead of psych. Tells me is it really worth the lifestyle of killing yourself to become a surgeon? I know mean she wells.

As for the first part of your post, you don't think having failed Step 3 AND CS the first time around will be a problem matching, in addition to having graduated 3 years ago.

It's definitely a problem. But I think if he or she applies to 100 FM programs in undesirable areas, they might have a decent chance.

A lot of FM residencies are worried about residents being able to get state license. So step 3 in the bag is a big plus, especially for these less competitive residencies.

Yeah I mean it depends what kind of surgery you do. General surgery doesn't pay that well relatively. Obviously ortho and plastics and urology do.

I'm looking at this from a purely objective point of view. If you are passionate about whatever field, then I don't think $ and lifestyle should be factors.

I personally would much rather do general surgery than FM or Derm.

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[Postictal Raiden]

psych is definitely more competitive than FM right now.

FTFY. Was talking to someone from my school who's applying to psych this year. This person has USMLE scores that are 15+ higher than average. No red flags. Applied to crapload of programs (50+). Has 15-20 interviews at this point. Don't get me wrong. This is a healthy number of interview invites, but for the stats this person has, I would have imagined at least a 50% return on investment.

It's not Derm or Ophthalmology, but Psych is definitely more competitive.

 

[Blitz2006]

FTFY. Was talking to someone from my school who's applying to psych this year. This person has USMLE scores that are 15+ higher than average. No red flags. Applied to crapload of programs (50+). Has 15-20 interviews at this point. Don't get me wrong. This is a healthy number of interview invites, but for the stats this person has, I would have imagined at least a 50% return on investment.

It's not Derm or Ophthalmology, but Psych is definitely more competitive.

Exactly what I've been saying.

10 years ago, or even 5, this person would have had minimum 30 interviews. I suspect in 3 years these same credentials (on 2020 level, keeping inflation in mind) would only generate around 10 interviews.

 

[OrangeOrange]

FTFY. Was talking to someone from my school who's applying to psych this year. This person has USMLE scores that are 15+ higher than average. No red flags. Applied to crapload of programs (50+). Has 15-20 interviews at this point. Don't get me wrong. This is a healthy number of interview invites, but for the stats this person has, I would have imagined at least a 50% return on investment.

It's not Derm or Ophthalmology, but Psych is definitely more competitive.

Do you think he or she is getting screened out by some programs that assume this person is using them as a backup? Or are the rejections/silence coming from fancy name-brand programs?

Also, why did this person apply to so many places???

 

[tennischamp822]

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[Blitz2006]

Is this really true? Medscape 2016 (which most doctors say is way too low) is saying that cardiology makes 410,000 and radiology makes 375,000.

AMGA is saying general cardiology makes 483,653, cath lab cardiology makes $584,118 and radiology makes $490,399.

Do your numbers only apply to NYC? Or am I missing something?

Yeah I find AMGA numbers tend to be overinflated. But my numbers are for relatively 'desirable' jobs. Sure, there are cardiologists pulling in 450-500k in small town nebraska, but then you can say Psychiatrists pull in 350k in a similar setting.

My numbers are actually based a lot on what people have told me , and what I read:

Here is a great thread, and specifically post #166, talking about cards salaries: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/cardiology-job-market.1019969/page-4

Also post #75: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/cardiology-job-market.1019969/page-2


Heme/Onc has a good post as well, #46: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/cardiology-job-market.1019969/

A couple years dated, but still good insight on our friends in medicine. Its a great thread to see how the economics of medicine is unfolding over next few years.

And remember, its not just how much you earn, also take into consideration overhead costs/malpractice. Psych is one of the lowest, malpractice is around 5-10k/year, vs. surgical specialties paying around 50k-60k. I'm sure interventional cards is in the neighborhood.

Anyways, this is my last post on this topic, I don't want to completely thread jack (as we kind of have) the point of this thread, Psych Interviews!

 

[tennischamp822]

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[duyvtr]

Rejected from UTHSCSA today.

 

[TheFuture_22]

Rejected from UTHSCSA today.

Me too.


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Cleveland Clinic (11/28)
Alabama:
University of South Alabama - jimbobpsych(09/19), TheFuture_22 (9/19)
UAB - jimbobpsych(09/19)
Arizona:
University of Arizona-Phoenix - pure skill (9/23)
University of Arizona-Tucson - pumpingions (9/16), nickbrody (9/19), pure skill (9/20), sazerac (10/20)
MIHS - sazerac (10/4)
Arkansas:
University of Arkansas - sunshine1324 (10/6), TheFuture_22 (10/17)
California:
CPMC - laryngitis227 (10/5), joakin17 (10/6), applebell (10/7), Peterskeys (10/7)
UC Davis - notamindreader (10/5), sunshine1324 (10/4), Peterskeys (10/14)
UC Irvine - prok (10/10), sazerac (10/10), clozareal (10/10), sassquatch (10/10), Peter's keys (11/15)
UCLA-Semel - TedFerguson (10/28), clozareal (11/4), sassquatch (11/7)
UCLA-Harbor - coyotelime (10/3), clozareal (10/3), Dr. Gatz (10/3), laryngitis227 (10/3), vitamin H (10/5)
UCLA-Kern - amoeboid (9/26), Dr. Hip (9/26)
UCLA-SFV - laryngitis227 (10/7), sazerac (10/7), coyotelime (10/7), Peterskeys (10/7), clozareal (10/7) Dr. Gatz (10/7), vitamin H (10/7), joakin17 (10/7)
UC Riverside - clozareal (9/21), joakin17 (9/28), vitamin H (10/1)
UCSF - clozareal (9/28), TedFerguson (10/5), RollForever (10/17)
UCSF-Fresno - amoeboid (10/11), vitamin H (10/4)
UCSD - vitamin H (9/28), TedFerguson (10/19)
San Mateo - notamindreader (9/23), laryngitis227 (9/30), kirby (10/4), clozareal (11/9)
USC - HIPAA Violation (10/2), Peterskeys (10/2), Dr. Gatz (10/2), clozareal (10/3), Vitamin H (10/2), joakin17 (10/7)
Stanford - downingstreet (10/2), clozareal (10/16), TedFerguson (10/21)
Loma Linda - clozareal (9/30)
Kaiser Southern California - joakin17 (9/26)
Kaweah Delta - amoeboid (9/28), Dr. Hip (10/5)
Colorado:
University of Colorado - therunner12 (9/19), digitallion (9/19), Dr. Gatz (9/19), AtlasCarraway (9/23),
Connecticut:
UConn - ArcArsenal (9/19), DrTBone (9/21), VitaminS (10/17), Dr. Hip (10/13)
Yale - Bifteck (10/05), TedFerguson (10/5), kirby (10/11). vitamins(10/19)
Institute of Living/Hartford Hospital - carbaspazapine (10/11)
Florida:
UCF - Grapefruit17 (9/20), sazerac (9/23), TheFuture_22 (9/28), DrTBone (10,3)
UF-Gainesville - jimbobpsych(09/23), TheFuture_22 (9/30), Grapefruit17 (9/30)
UF-Jacksonville - TheFuture_22 (10/10)
USF - amoeboid (9/21), TheFuture_22 (10/5), sazerac (10/5), Jimbobpsych (10/11)
Miami/Jackson - joakin17 (10/10), Peterskeys (10/17)
Georgia:
Augusta - AtlasCarraway (9/16), TheFuture_22 (9/16), Dr. Harambe (9/16), grapefruit17 (9/29), jimbobpsych (10/13)
Emory - psychhopefull2016 (9/16), digitallion (9/15), coyotelime (9/24), Peterskeys (10/18)
Hawaii:
UH - joakin17 (9/28)
Illinois:
University of Illinois-Chicago - prok (9/30), coyotelime (9/30), Peterskeys (10/3), sazerac (10/3)
University of Illinois-Peoria - grapefruit17(9/17), nickbrody (9/17)
Loyola Stritch - Peterskeys(9/19), psych094 (9/19)
University of Chicago - HIPAA Violation (9/19), seroquel (9/26), carbaspazapine (10/18), sassquatch (11/3)
Northwestern - psychhopefull2016 (9/27), coyotelime (10/6), TedFerguson (10/6), kirby (10/6)
Southern Illinois University - ruralpsychguy (9/30), Dr. Hip (11/2)
Rush - sassquatch (10/11), Peterskeys (10/18), nickbrody (10/19)
Indiana:
Indiana University - seroquel (9/19), HIPAA Violation (9/19) pinkpolkadoc 9/21), prok (9/21), TheFuture_22 (10/17)
Indiana University (Triple Board) - pinkpolkadoc (9/21)
Community Hospital - bertad01 (09/16) pinkpolkadoc (9/16)
Iowa:
University of Iowa - kirby (9/27), ruralpsychguy (9/30), seroquel (10/7)
Kansas:
University of Kansas-Kansas City - nickbrody (9/20), Grapefruit17 (1o/9), TheFuture_22 (10/9), AtlasCarraway (10/9)
University of Kansas-Wichita - bertad01 (09/15), TheFuture_22 (9/27)
Kentucky:
Louisville - twospadz (9/16), pinkpolkadoc (10/3)
Kentucky - twospadz (9/29)
Louisiana:
Tulane - sazerac (9/16)
LSU New Orleans - sazerac (9/19)
LSU OLOL Baton Rouge - sazerac (9/20), DrTBone (9/20), psychout222 (10/11)
Maine:
Maine Medical Center - carbaspazapine (10/7), VitaminS (10/7)
Maryland:
University of Maryland - psychhopefull2016 (9/21), sassquatch (9/23), Dr. Harambe (10/3), digitallion (10/11), TheFuture_22 (11/14)
Johns Hopkins - sloop (9/16), Dr. Gatz (9/16), sassquatch (10/10)
Massachusetts:
UMASS - sloop (9/16), carbaspazapine (9/23), notamindreader (9/23), aberrydulldoc (10/6), sazerac (11/4)
UMass Integrated Adult/Child - ruralpsychguy (9/19), VitaminS (10/3)
UMMS-Baystate-- bumbulbm (10/18), sazerac (10/18)
Cambridge Health Alliance - drshoes (9/22), clozareal (9/27), VitaminS (10/11), coyotelime (10/19)
BIDMC-Harvard - JenLeav (9/22), VitaminS (9/22) clozareal (9/26), Thomasina (10/11), sassquatch (10/11), sloop (10/11)
Tufts - coyotelime (9/26)
McLean/MGH - coyotelime (9/30), clozareal (9/30)
Brigham - sassquatch (10/3), carbaspazapine (10/3), TedFerguson (10/3), clozareal (10/3), Dr. Gatz (10/6), VitaminS (10/12)
Harvard South Shore - duyvtr (10/6), sloop (10/11), digitallion (10/19)
BU/BMC - carbaspazapine (10/14), VitaminS (10/14)
Michigan:
Pine Rest - sazerac (9/27), TheFuture_22 (9/27), pinkpolkadoc (9/29)
University of Michigan - TedFerguson (10/3) Dr. Qui (11/16)
Central Michigan University - Dr. Hip (10/14)
Michigan State University - sazerac (11/23)
Minnesota:
HCMC - psych094 (9/22), JenLeav (9/22), seroquel (10/10/)
University of Minnesota - kirby (9/15)
Mayo Clinic - Seroquel (10/17), clozareal (10/17), TheFuture_22 (11/17)
Missouri:
University of Missouri-Columbia - bertad01 (09/16), nickbrody (9/20), ruralpsychguy (9/21)
WashU - ruralpsychguy (9/23), kirby (10/3), carbaspazepine (10/28)
SLU - twospadz(10/3)
University of Missouri, Kansas City - sunshine1324 (10/6)
Nebraska:
Creighton-Nebraska - JenLeav(9/21)
Nevada:
New Hampshire:
Dartmouth - sazerac (9/28), VitaminS (9/28), ruralpsychguy (9/28), kirby (10/4), sloop (10/4), carbaspazapine (10/11)
New Jersey:
Rutgers NJMS - nickbrody (10/5)
Rutgers RWJMS - Grapefruit17 (10/7), bumbulbm (10/19)
New Mexico:
UNM - psychatross (9/20), Dr. Harambe (9/27), carbaspazapine (9/27), sazerac (9/27), notamindreader (9/27), vitamin H (9/27)
New York:
Columbia - Bifteck (10/7), TedFerguson (10/7), clozareal (10/30)
Cornell - TedFerguson (9/28), downingstreet (9/28), aberrydulldoc (10/5), thomasina (10/6), digitallion (10/18)
NYU - TedFerguson (9/20), downingstreet (9/20), clozareal (10/3), sassquatch (10/4), Dr. Qui (11/16)
Montefiore Medical Center/Albert Einstein College of Medicine - digitallion (10/7), sloop (10/7)
Mt. Sinai Icahn - TedFerguson (9/21), downingstreet (9/21), therunner12 (9/22), prok (9/22), sassquatch (10/17), digitallion (10/18)
Mt. Sinai Beth Israel - sloop (9/20), therunner12 (9/20), digitallion (9/29), joakin17 (10/5), aberrydulldoc (10/5)
Mt. Sinai St. Luke's-Roosevelt - aberrydulldoc (10/5), digitallion (10/11)
Buffalo - psychhopefull2016 (9/22), sazerac (10/17)
Hofstra Staten Island - ArcArsenal (9/22)
Hofstra Northwell - coyotelime (10/17), VitaminS (10/17), sloop (10/18), Seroquel (10/24), digitallion (10/24)
Rochester - psychhopefull2016 (9/23), VitaminS(9/26), ArcArsenal (10/6)
SUNY Downstate - digitallion (10/12), sassquatch (10/17), joakin17 (10/26), Dr. Qui (10/26)
SUNY Upstate - bumbulbm (9/23)
Albany - bumbulbm (9/26), nickbrody (9/27), VitaminS( 9/27), DrTBone (9/30)
Stony Brook - sloop (9/28), nickbrody (9/30)
Westchester Medical Center (NYMC) - bumbulbm (10/25)
Richmond University Medical Center - Dr. Hip (10/12)
North Carolina:
Carolinas Medical Center - TheFuture_22 (9/16), nontradst (09/15)
Duke - sloop (10/17)
ECU - TheFuture_22 (9/21), Dr. Hip (10/17)
University of North Carolina - Dr. Harambe (9/19), therunner12 (9/19), VitaminS (9/19), sazerac (10/4)
Wake Forest - TheFuture_22 (9/19), sazerac (11/2)
MAHEC Asheville - jimbobpsych (09/21), sazerac (9/21), TheFuture_22 (9/22)
North Dakota:
University of North Dakota - sazerac (10/17)
Ohio:
Case Western (UHCMC) - pinkpolkadoc (9/23), ruralpsychguy (9/23), proc (9/23), notamindreader (9/23), psychatross (9/26), Subconscious (10/6)
Cleveland Clinic - psychatross (9/26), prok (9/26), Dr. Gatz (9/26), psychhopefull2016, seroquel (9/30)
Ohio State - JenLeav (9/20), seroquel (9/20), proc (9/21), nickbrody (9/26)
Cincinnati - psychhopefull2016 (10/6), pinkpolkadoc (10/14)
Wright State - pinkpolkadoc (10/12)
Case Western Metrohealth - Dr. Hip (10/3)
University of Toledo - Dr. Qui (10/7)
Oklahoma:
OU Tulsa - AtlasCarraway (9/19), TheFuture_22 (9/19)
Griffin Memorial - AtlasCarraway (9/22)
OU Oklahoma City - AtlasCarraway (9/26)
Oregon:
Samaritan Health - Grapefruit17 (10/7)
OHSU - psychatross (10/12), Dr. Gatz (10/12)
Pennsylvania:
Geisinger - bumbulbm (9/19), i0shez0i (9/19)
Temple - sloop (9/21), sassquatch (9/26), VitaminS (10/17), Subconscious (10/17)
UPMC - psychhopefull2016 (9/24), aberrydulldoc (10/18), psychout222 (10/18)
PSU - i0shez0i (9/22), Dr. Qui (11/14)
Drexel - nickbrody (9/26), sloop (9/26), sassquatch (9/26)
AGH - psychhopefull2016 (9/27), bumbulbm (9/27)
Wright Center - bumbulbm (9/30)
Penn - TedFerguson (9/30), downingstreet (9/30), aberrydulldoc (9/30), VitaminS (9/30)
Jefferson - aberrydulldoc (10/3), sloop (10/6), joakin17 (10/11)
Rhode Island:
Brown - psychhopefull2016 (10/4), sloop (11/8), sassquatch (11/9)
South Carolina:
Palmetto Health (Columbia, SC) - pure skill (9/19)
USC Greenville - Grapefruit17 (10/03), jimbobpsych (10/5)
MUSC-Charleston - Peterskeys (10/11), psychout222 (10/18)
South Dakota:
University of South Dakota - bertad01 (09/16)
Tennessee:
Vanderbilt - sassquatch (9/23), coyotelime (9/29), downingstreet (9/30), jimbobpsych (10/5), dyuvtr(11/8)
University of Tennessee - TheFuture_22 (10/03), Dr. Hip (10/3)
ETSU - Bnmakr1 (10/6), sazerac (10/13), jimbobpsych (10/27), Peterskeys (11/21)
Texas:
Baylor - psychatross (10/3)
JPS - AtlasCarraway (9/19), Grapefruit17 (10/17)
S&W - psychatross (9/19), prok (9/22), AtlasCarraway (9/22), sazerac (10/3)
UT Houston - psychatross (10/5)
UTMB - prok (9/20), AtlasCarraway (9/28)
UT-Tyler - TheFuture_22 (9/16), vitamin H (9/16)
UT-Southwestern - therunner12 (9/19), psychatross (9/19), duyvtr (9/19), kirby (9/19), prok (9/22), coyotelime (10/21)
UTHSCSA - AtlasCarraway (9/19), prok (9/19), psychatross (9/19)
Texas Tech Lubbock - AtlasCarraway (9/27), sazerac (9/29)
UT Austin - duyvtr(10/7), AtlasCarraway (10/7), psychatross (10/7)
Utah:
University of Utah - sizamtaylor (9/20), sazerac (9/20), vitamin H (10/11)
Vermont:
University of Vermont - nickbrody (10/13), VitaminS (10/13), carbaspazapine (10/26)
Virginia:
Eastern Virginia Medical School - EvilSpawn (9/19), TheFuture_22 (9/29), AtlasCarraway (9/28)
Virginia Commonwealth University - EvilSpawn (9/19), TheFuture_22 (10/03)
University of Virginia - carbaspazapine (10/5), sunshine1324 (10/3)
West Virginia:
WVU - twospadz (9/29), pinkpolkadoc (9/29), psychout222 (10/12)
CAMC - psychout222 (10/12)
Washington:
Providence Sacred Heart - pumpingions (9/19), sazerac (9/19)
University of Washington - TedFerguson (10/4), RollForever (10/5), Vitamin H (10/11)
Washington DC:
Georgetown - sassquatch (9/20), joakin17 (9/20), sloop (9/26), seroquel (10/28)
George Washington University - joakin17 (10/11), duyvtr (10/12), subconscious (10/18), sassquatch (10/27)
Saint Elizabeths - joakin17 (10/13)
Howard University - joakin17 (10/26)
Wisconsin:
University of Wisconsin - psych094 (9/15), ruralpsychguy (9/16), kirby (9/20), notamindreader (9/23)
Medical College of Wisconsin - Milwaukee - seroquel (10/9)
Medical College of Wisconsin - Central - Subconscious (10/5)[/QUOTE]

 

[Evergrey]

How long did it take people to get a confirmation from Stanford?

 

[clozareal]

How long did it take people to get a confirmation from Stanford?

5 days


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[TheFuture_22]

Rejected from Baylor. Rejections starting to roll in for me. To be honest I like it much better than the silent rejection.

 

[kalos7]

Rejected from Baylor. Rejections starting to roll in for me. To be honest I like it much better than the silent rejection.

Me 2, applied to 30, heard back from 15 (invite + rejection), 15 silence....

 

[thor343]

When do interview dates typically run until? End of January? Not expecting much in terms of more interviews at this point I'm assuming

 

[amoeboid]

When do interview dates typically run until? End of January? Not expecting much in terms of more interviews at this point I'm assuming

My latest one is February 10, but that seems to be an anomaly.