observership in ortho

[bharati.deokar]

hi,
I am Miss.Bharati.Deokar last year M.B;B.S student from India.I am very keen in persuing orthopaedics as my specialisation through USMLE.I have heard that recommendation letters matter a lot.Can anyone help me in finding out a good observership post in orthopaedics in USA.(in january 2007)I will give my first step of USMLE in 2007 may.I also want to know what can i do to be sure that i will get a ortho residency.

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[Debridement]

hi,
I am Miss.Bharati.Deokar last year M.B;B.S student from India.I am very keen in persuing orthopaedics as my specialisation through USMLE.I have heard that recommendation letters matter a lot.Can anyone help me in finding out a good observership post in orthopaedics in USA.(in january 2007)I will give my first step of USMLE in 2007 may.I also want to know what can i do to be sure that i will get a ortho residency.

While your broken British English is charming and cute, you are likely never going to be a US orthopaedic surgeon. You have no USMLE score, no English skills, no ortho experience, and know no one in the US ortho community. Thus, no one is going to let you anywhere near their patients or write you a letter.

Dude--just find a different dream.

On a side note: Why is India so bad? Why does every friggin' graduate from India try to come here? WTF? Why don't you just stay in Calcutta and nail tibiae? Is that a life so terrible?

 

[cdql]

Would you switch places with Miss Bharati Deokar and work in India instead of the United States?

And there is your answer

 

[djquickfingers]

While your broken British English is charming and cute, you are likely never going to be a US orthopaedic surgeon. You have no USMLE score, no English skills, no ortho experience, and know no one in the US ortho community. Thus, no one is going to let you anywhere near their patients or write you a letter.

Dude--just find a different dream.

On a side note: Why is India so bad? Why does every friggin' graduate from India try to come here? WTF? Why don't you just stay in Calcutta and nail tibiae? Is that a life so terrible?

absolutely uncalled for... if you cannot answer the question, don't leave a ridiculously rude and narrow-minded comment

 

[VincentAdultman]

While your broken British English is charming and cute, you are likely never going to be a US orthopaedic surgeon. You have no USMLE score, no English skills, no ortho experience, and know no one in the US ortho community. Thus, no one is going to let you anywhere near their patients or write you a letter.

Dude--just find a different dream.

On a side note: Why is India so bad? Why does every friggin' graduate from India try to come here? WTF? Why don't you just stay in Calcutta and nail tibiae? Is that a life so terrible?

If I was a PD and had to rank charming broken british english vs raging douchebag guess who would come out on top? But that's just me.

 

[Debridement]

absolutely uncalled for... if you cannot answer the question, don't leave a ridiculously rude and narrow-minded comment

If I was a PD and had to rank charming broken british english vs raging douchebag guess who would come out on top? But that's just me.

1) my comment is not 'narrow-minded'. it's the truth. narrow minded is thinking that blowing smoke up each others --- is pleasant, nice kind, open, whatever.
2) you are not a PD, so no one cares about your opinion. you are not even a resident. as for djquick, you are not even a medical student. so I don't think much of either of your comments. i'm not sure why you are even posting on this board. if i want opinions of people off the street (which is what you are) then i will ask my next trauma ED consult patient.
3) i'm just trying to be straight and real with the posters here. they need truth more than fantasy.

call me whatever names you want, but i know what i am talking about.

also, i am not this much of a d-bag in real life, i promise.--it's just something about unrealistic fantasies (usually of FMG/IMGs) that gets my gord (lots of previous post on this). it's just not fair to lie to these people and there are lots of qualifed hard-working US MDs that get hosed in the system anyway. i'm not one of them--just have seen a few)

 

[Wahoos]

I agree with what debridement says, but not the way he/she said it.... a little on the liberal side. As a FMG from India, without USMLE, no Ortho experience, no post graduate work, and want to do a orthopedic residency in the US is "almost" impossible. To get a spot in ortho as an FMG, you have to be an outstanding applicant with excellent Step I and most people have phDs or significant research experience, i.e. worked in the lab of the program that accepted them for years before getting a spot. You are on a very steep uphill battle to get a spot, but it is not impossible.

 

[dry dre]

You are on a very steep uphill battle to get a spot, but it is not impossible.

I would say that it is impossible. Practically speaking.

While I don't agree with DB's tone, he's right on in his assessment. I find it irresponsible for people to urge on highly unlikely candidates to go for spots that they have little (if any) chance of getting. Trying to get a spot in ortho requires a total commitment...for medical students, it means all your electives need to be ortho and your research/extra-curriculars<sp> need to be ortho as well. Non-traditional students (FMG/IMG) and those with low step scores typically need to spend a year or more in research etc to have the chance to land a spot. I'd be willing to bet that there are 10-20 non-trads who go on to do a prelim year(S)/research year(S) and never land a spot for every one that gets a spot. That is a lot of people-years lost.

And what happens to these non-trads when they finally don't get into ortho after spending years trying? What are they to say to the program in another specialty to which they apply after spending years trying to match into ortho? "Yeah, I've always had an interest in X medicine, but it's taken me years to realize it's what I've always wanted to do." Yeah, right.

 

[VincentAdultman]

"I'm not like this in real life" = "I'm an online toughguy because I know I'll get my ass kicked for saying this in real life."

 

[Debridement]

"I'm not like this in real life" = "I'm an online toughguy because I know I'll get my ass kicked for saying this in real life."

No, i'd pretty much tell you the same stuff to your face. it's just this one issue that brings out the d-bag in DB. Also, I knew at the time I was being a d-bag about it, hence the qualifier.

As far as 'ass-kicking' i don't know what playground YOU think YOU'RE on, but there's no 'ass-kicking' where I am, even when the truest of the true d-bags (usually GenSurg) act up. Just sulking and complaining about "how much of a d-bag that guy is".

DB out,

 

[Tired]

I just completed the Ortho away rotations and matched into my first-choice Navy program, and I have to agree 100% with Debridement.

It seems like every rotation I did, there were always a couple students who were clearly not qualified, but were "trying their hardest" to slum a spot. In the Navy, these folks end up miserable in an FP residency, or stuck out as a GMO with the Marines in the desert. My own school is notorious for Ortho wannabes failing to match in the NRMP. They end up miserable in Transitional or Prelim programs, calling every freaking program in the country to see if they dropped any of their Ortho Interns.

Do people with low scores, mediocre grades, and no research match into Ortho? Of course, no s*it, we've all heard the stories. Do most of them match into Ortho? You wish.

Every time one of these kids with a 215 Step I, no research, and "2 or 3" Hs from their third year posts on here, someone always has to step up to stroke them off, "Don't worry tiger, you can do it. Just use elbow grease!" You're straight up lying to them, and if you've ever spent any time with the Ortho guys, you should know it.

When someone like Debridement tells them the truth, here's what (potentially) it does for them:

1) It stings like hell, then the hurt starts to wear off.

2) While they still have time as an MSII/III, they can start looking around at other specialties. "Gosh, I spent so much time thinking about Ortho, I didn't realize that I actually really enjoy Critical Care too!"

3) They don't blow all their cash applying to programs they can't get into. They don't waste their time and money interviewing at mediocre programs they only have an outside shot at.

4) They don't end up doing a crappy Transitional or Prelim internship. They don't spend another year nail-biting over what to do with their lives. In short, they move the hell on with their lives.

I mean, gosh, life would just be super-freaking-cool if everyone could always get what they want. But the fact is, you can't. Welcome to the world a**hole.

Debridement, keep yanking off those band-aids. It hurts less when you do it fast.

 

[beastmaster]

You guys are cool