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Hi everybody
I know that all residency programs are good and accredited. But, certainely some of them are more inferior to others, based on program itself or geographic location or other factors. It would be a great courtesy of you guys if you list the programs you wouldnt go or would rank them down the list, and if possible at all the reason for that.
My appreciation. :)
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docfos said:
Hi everybody
I know that all residency programs are good and accredited. But, certainely some of them are more inferior to others, based on program itself or geographic location or other factors. It would be a great courtesy of you guys if you list the programs you wouldnt go or would rank them down the list, and if possible at all the reason for that.
My appreciation. :)
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I hear Denver is a weak program. Cincinatti too.
Q
 
I was going to post Tampa but figured it was so obvious that it didn't need to be said :D
 
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And Mayo. Wouldn't go there. It's too cold.
 
The worst programs, in no particular order, from consensus here at SDN are:

USF
Duke
Arizona
Maricopa
Denver
UT-Houston
Baton Rouge
ECU
Wayne State U
MetroHealth
Yale
Albert Einstein in Philly
Johns Hopkins

Would avoid like the plague.
Q
;)
 
I hear In-n-Out Burger is starting a PGY1-4 EM Residency in Nevada... anyone have any thoughts? Do you think you will see enough pathology there? I'm worried about the trauma experience...
Q
 
QuinnNSU said:
I hear In-n-Out Burger is starting a PGY1-4 EM Residency in Nevada... anyone have any thoughts? Do you think you will see enough pathology there? I'm worried about the trauma experience...
Q
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not much trauma........but you'll be an expert at food poisoning.
 
QuinnNSU said:
I hear In-n-Out Burger is starting a PGY1-4 EM Residency in Nevada... anyone have any thoughts? Do you think you will see enough pathology there? I'm worried about the trauma experience...
Q
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In-n-Out? Dude, if I were applying for residency again, I'd be so there!

"Double double, animal-style, no pickles!"

For those of you deprived of the In-n-Out phenomenon, it's a fast-food burger chain in California and spreading. The food is excellent for fast food, they pay their employees considerably more than the going rate at other fast food joints, and the employees are unfailingly courteous and polite. What they are most famous for are the "specials" that aren't on any menu nor advertised. You just have to know what they are, or else you just get plain burgers.

Here's a good summary.
 
Definitely avoid the Wal-Mart EM program...They discriminate against women (and DO's). I heard they're on probation for violating the 80-hour rule.
 
Definitely avoid the EM residency put up my McDonalds. They absolutely jacked up President Clinton.
 
Aloha Kid said:
Definitely avoid the EM residency put up my McDonalds. They absolutely jacked up President Clinton.
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I heard they were cleared of those charges.
 
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docB said:
I would avoid Burt's Amoco Gas and Emergency Medicine Residency in Pahrump, NV.
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Is that the new name for docB's Amoco Gas and Urgent Care Center?
 
isnt jon ritter's family suing them?
 
QuinnNSU said:
I hear In-n-Out Burger is starting a PGY1-4 EM Residency in Nevada... anyone have any thoughts? Do you think you will see enough pathology there? I'm worried about the trauma experience...
Q
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I've been to the In-N-Out at I15 and Tropicana many times and I can assure you that the pathology there rivals any big city ER.
 
I know for a fact that every single one of the programs below has something wrong with it that is worth avoiding. Sorry all the clowns up above wouldn't let you in on this. Please don't apply to any of these programs.

DESPERADO'S LIST OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE PROGRAMS TO AVOID:

University of Alabama Medical Center Program
Birmingham, Alabama 110-01-31-165
Arizona

Maricopa Medical Center Program
Phoenix, Arizona 110-03-21-082
University of Arizona Program
Tucson, Arizona 110-03-12-056


University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences Program
Little Rock, Arkansas 110-04-21-071


Kern Medical Center Program
Bakersfield, California 110-05-12-001
University of California (San Francisco)/Fresno Program
Fresno, California 110-05-12-002
Loma Linda University Program
Loma Linda, California 110-05-12-068
Charles R Drew University Program
Los Angeles, California 110-05-12-004
UCLA Medical Center/Olive View Program
Los Angeles, California 110-05-12-003
University of Southern California/LAC+USC Medical Center Program
Los Angeles, California 110-05-12-005
Alameda County Medical Center Program
Oakland, California 110-05-12-006
University of California (Irvine) Program
Orange, California 110-05-21-078
Stanford University Hospital/Kaiser Permanente Medical Center Program
Palo Alto, California 110-05-21-098
University of California (Davis) Health System Program
Sacramento, California 110-05-21-097
Naval Medical Center (San Diego) Program
San Diego, California 110-05-12-067
University of California (San Diego) Program
San Diego, California 110-05-21-080
Los Angeles County-Harbor-UCLA Medical Center Program
Torrance, California 110-05-12-008

Denver Health Medical Center Program
Denver, Colorado 110-07-12-009

University of Connecticut Program
Hartford, Connecticut 110-08-21-120
Yale-New Haven Medical Center Program
New Haven, Connecticut 110-08-21-139


Christiana Care Health Services Program
Newark, Delaware 110-09-12-057


George Washington University Program
Washington, District of Columbia 110-10-12-011


University of Florida Health Science Center/Jacksonville Program
Jacksonville, Florida 110-11-12-058
Orlando Regional Healthcare Program
Orlando, Florida 110-11-21-072
University of South Florida Program
Tampa, Florida 110-11-21-167

Emory University Program
Atlanta, Georgia 110-12-12-012
Medical College of Georgia Program
Augusta, Georgia 110-12-21-090


Cook County Hospital Program
Chicago, Illinois 110-16-21-083
McGaw Medical Center of Northwestern University Program
Chicago, Illinois 110-16-12-015
Resurrection Medical Center Program
Chicago, Illinois 110-16-31-146
University of Chicago Program
Chicago, Illinois 110-16-12-014
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Chicago Program
Chicago, Illinois 110-16-12-016
Advocate Christ Medical Center Program
Oak Lawn, Illinois 110-16-12-017
University of Illinois College of Medicine at Peoria Program
Peoria, Illinois 110-16-12-069


Indiana University School of Medicine Program
Indianapolis, Indiana 110-17-12-018


University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics Program
Iowa City, Iowa 110-18-12-174


University of Kentucky Medical Center Program
Lexington, Kentucky 110-20-21-129
University of Louisville Program
Louisville, Kentucky 110-20-12-020


Louisiana State University (Baton Rouge) Program
Baton Rouge, Louisiana 110-21-21-117
Louisiana State University Program
New Orleans, Louisiana 110-21-12-021
Louisiana State University (Shreveport) Program
Shreveport, Louisiana 110-21-22-170

Maine Medical Center Program
Portland, Maine 110-22-21-142


Johns Hopkins University Program
Baltimore, Maryland 110-23-12-022
University of Maryland Program
Baltimore, Maryland 110-23-21-101


Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center/Harvard Medical School Program
Boston, Massachusetts 110-24-31-163
Boston University Medical Center Program
Boston, Massachusetts 110-24-21-084
Brigham and Women's Hospital/Harvard Medical School Program
Boston, Massachusetts 110-24-21-150
Baystate Medical Center/Tufts University School of Medicine Program
Springfield, Massachusetts 110-24-21-116
University of Massachusetts Program
Worcester, Massachusetts 110-24-21-074


University of Michigan Program
Ann Arbor, Michigan 110-25-21-106
Henry Ford Hospital Program
Detroit, Michigan 110-25-12-025
St John Hospital and Medical Center Program
Detroit, Michigan 110-25-21-132
Wayne State University/Detroit Medical Center (Grace Hospital) Program
Detroit, Michigan 110-25-12-059
Wayne State University/Detroit Medical Center Program
Detroit, Michigan 110-25-12-024
Grand Rapids Medical Education and Research Center/Michigan State University Program
Grand Rapids, Michigan 110-25-12-026
Kalamazoo Center for Medical Studies/Michigan State University Program
Kalamazoo, Michigan 110-25-21-124
Sparrow Hospital/Michigan State University Program
Lansing, Michigan 110-25-12-027
William Beaumont Hospital Program
Royal Oak, Michigan 110-25-12-065
Synergy Medical Education Alliance/Michigan State University Program
Saginaw, Michigan 110-25-11-138


Hennepin County Medical Center Program
Minneapolis, Minnesota 110-26-12-028
Mayo School of Graduate Medical Education (Rochester) Program
Rochester, Minnesota 110-26-21-161
HealthPartners Institute for Medical Education Program
St Paul, Minnesota 110-26-21-144


University of Mississippi Medical Center Program
Jackson, Mississippi 110-27-21-073


University of Missouri at Kansas City Program
Kansas City, Missouri 110-28-12-029
Washington University/B-JH/SLCH Consortium Program
St Louis, Missouri 110-28-21-154

University of Nebraska Medical Center Program
Omaha, Nebraska 110-30-31-168


UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School (Camden) Program
Camden, New Jersey 110-33-21-118
Atlantic Health System (Morristown) Program
Morristown, New Jersey 110-33-12-060
Newark Beth Israel Medical Center Program
Newark, New Jersey 110-33-21-158


University of New Mexico Program
Albuquerque, New Mexico 110-34-21-075


Albany Medical Center Program
Albany, New York 110-35-21-086
Albert Einstein College of Medicine (Jacobi/Montefiore) Program
Bronx, New York 110-35-12-030
Lincoln Medical and Mental Health Center Program
Bronx, New York 110-35-12-053
Brooklyn Hospital Center Program
Brooklyn, New York 110-35-21-093
Maimonides Medical Center Program
Brooklyn, New York 110-35-21-164
New York Methodist Hospital Program
Brooklyn, New York 110-35-21-147
SUNY Health Science Center at Brooklyn Program
Brooklyn, New York 110-35-31-135
SUNY at Buffalo Graduate Medical-Dental Education Consortium Program
Buffalo, New York 110-35-31-127
New York Hospital Medical Center of Queens/Cornell University Medical College Program
Flushing, New York 110-35-31-173
North Shore University Hospital/NYU School of Medicine Program
Manhasset, New York 110-35-21-141
Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Long Island Jewish Medical Center Program
New Hyde Park, New York 110-35-12-062
Albert Einstein College of Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center Program
New York, New York 110-35-11-149
Mount Sinai School of Medicine Program
New York, New York 110-35-21-087
New York Medical College (Metropolitan) Program
New York, New York 110-35-12-031
New York Presbyterian Hospital Program
New York, New York 110-35-13-169
New York University School of Medicine Program
New York, New York 110-35-21-092
St Luke's-Roosevelt Hospital Center Program
New York, New York 110-35-21-109
University of Rochester Program
Rochester, New York 110-35-21-131
SUNY at Stony Brook Program
Stony Brook, New York 110-35-21-091
SUNY Upstate Medical University Program
Syracuse, New York 110-35-21-121


University of North Carolina Hospitals Program
Chapel Hill, North Carolina 110-36-21-130
Carolinas Medical Center Program
Charlotte, North Carolina 110-36-12-032
Duke University Hospital Program
Durham, North Carolina 110-36-13-166
Pitt County Memorial Hospital/East Carolina University Program
Greenville, North Carolina 110-36-12-063
Wake Forest University School of Medicine Program
Winston-Salem, North Carolina 110-36-12-033
Ohio
 
Akron General Medical Center/NEOUCOM Program
Akron, Ohio 110-38-12-035
Summa Health System/NEOUCOM Program
Akron, Ohio 110-38-12-034
University Hospital/University of Cincinnati College of Medicine Program
Cincinnati, Ohio 110-38-12-036
Case Western Reserve University (MetroHealth) Program
Cleveland, Ohio 110-38-21-110
Ohio State University Hospital Program
Columbus, Ohio 110-38-12-038
Wright State University Program
Kettering, Ohio 110-38-12-039
St Vincent Mercy Medical Center Program
Toledo, Ohio 110-38-12-040


Oregon Health & Science University Program
Portland, Oregon 110-40-12-042

St Luke's Hospital Program
Bethlehem, Pennsylvania 110-41-21-111
Geisinger Health System Program
Danville, Pennsylvania 110-41-12-043
Penn State University College of Medicine Program
Hershey, Pennsylvania 110-41-33-171
Albert Einstein Healthcare Network Program
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 110-41-21-122
Drexel University College of Medicine (MCP Hahnemann) Program
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 110-41-12-045
Temple University Program
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 110-41-21-155
Thomas Jefferson University Program
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 110-41-12-064
University of Pennsylvania Program
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 110-41-21-148
Allegheny General Hospital Program
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 110-41-12-054
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center Medical Education Program
Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 110-41-12-055
York Hospital Program
York, Pennsylvania 110-41-21-089


University of Puerto Rico Program
San Juan, Puerto Rico 110-42-12-046


Brown University Program
Providence, Rhode Island 110-43-21-114


Palmetto Health/University of South Carolina School of Medicine Program
Columbia, South Carolina 110-45-12-047


Vanderbilt University Program
Nashville, Tennessee 110-47-21-113


University of Texas Southwestern Medical School Program
Dallas, Texas 110-48-21-153
Texas Tech University (El Paso) Program
El Paso, Texas 110-48-12-070
Darnall Army Community Hospital Program
Fort Hood, Texas 110-48-12-048
San Antonio Uniformed Services Health Education Consortium Program
Fort Sam Houston, Texas 110-48-21-085
University of Texas at Houston Program
Houston, Texas 110-48-21-096
Texas A&M College of Medicine-Scott and White Program
Temple, Texas 110-48-21-102


University of Virginia Program
Charlottesville, Virginia 110-51-21-125
Eastern Virginia Medical School Program
Norfolk, Virginia 110-51-12-050
Naval Medical Center (Portsmouth) Program
Portsmouth, Virginia 110-51-21-105
Virginia Commonwealth University Health System Program
Richmond, Virginia 110-51-21-160


Madigan Army Medical Center/University of Washington Program
Tacoma, Washington 110-54-12-051


West Virginia University Program
Morgantown, West Virginia 110-55-21-128


Medical College of Wisconsin Program
Milwaukee, Wisconsin 110-56-12-052
:laugh:
 
QuinnNSU said:
I hear Denver is a weak program. Cincinatti too.
Q
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I asked about the programs you wouldnt go, not the ones you couldnt go!
 
QuinnNSU said:
The worst programs, in no particular order, from consensus here at SDN are:

USF
Duke
Arizona
Maricopa
Denver
UT-Houston
Baton Rouge
ECU
Wayne State U
MetroHealth
Yale
Albert Einstein in Philly
Johns Hopkins

Would avoid like the plague.
Q
;)
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thank you for the list. Do you think Denver should be in the list?!
What do you think about Kern and Fresno in CA?
 
docfos said:
I asked about the programs you wouldnt go, not the ones you couldnt go!
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Either you're flamebaiting, or you just don't get the message. Any such list of "programs you wouldn't go to" is nearly useless to anybody but the person making the list. It's a personal decision having more to do with outside factors than with the qualities of the program. Even the qualities of the program mean nothing if you don't get along with the program director or other residents there. So ask a more specific question than "which programs suck", or you'll get nothing but funny answers.

edit: btw, since you don't seem to have gotten it, every single reply you've gotten on this thread has been a joke. Those lists are mostly littered with programs that various residents here go to or graduated from as playful jabs at each other or ourselves. A few of the lists include very prominent and long-standing programs.
 
docfos said:
thank you for the list. Do you think Denver should be in the list?!
What do you think about Kern and Fresno in CA?
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Um, I hope you didn't take him seriously with that post. Quinn was joking with that list because most of us frequent fliers here on SDN are from those programs he listed.
 
The unintentional humor on this thread is the funniest part...
 
docfos said:
I asked about the programs you wouldnt go, not the ones you couldnt go!
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Actually, Denver and Cinci offered me positions outside the Match, I scoffed at them. Pitt said I would be allowed to completely skip the PGY1 year and start as a PGY2, since I correctly answered the "if you were a vegetable, what vegetable would you be question" during the interviews. I chose USF because the residents' salary starts at 70k and PGY3 = 94k a year, not to mention a company car (BMW 540i).

Q
 
QuinnNSU said:
Actually, Denver and Cinci offered me positions outside the Match, I scoffed at them. Pitt said I would be allowed to completely skip the PGY1 year and start as a PGY2, since I correctly answered the "if you were a vegetable, what vegetable would you be question" during the interviews. I chose USF because the residents' salary starts at 70k and PGY3 = 94k a year, not to mention a company car (BMW 540i).

Q
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:eek: 94k a year for a PGY3, AND a BMW 540i? You're pulling my leg, right?
 
leviathan said:
Honestly I have no clue. :) I do know Americans receive much better pay.
The salary for a PGY-3 in Canada is $53,000.
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A PGY-3 in the US makes approximately the same, assuming you're quoting Canadian dollars, though there is a moderate amount of regional variation.
 
QuinnNSU said:
Actually, Denver and Cinci offered me positions outside the Match, I scoffed at them. Pitt said I would be allowed to completely skip the PGY1 year and start as a PGY2, since I correctly answered the "if you were a vegetable, what vegetable would you be question" during the interviews. I chose USF because the residents' salary starts at 70k and PGY3 = 94k a year, not to mention a company car (BMW 540i).

Q
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Denver and Cinci? Too cold.

Pitt? Too cold.

;)
 
leviathan said:
Honestly I have no clue. :) I do know Americans receive much better pay.
The salary for a PGY-3 in Canada is $53,000.
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If that is Canadian dollars that is about $42,000 in US$ that is less than some programs for a PGY 3 but better than others! If that is 53K US$ value in Canada that is way better as a PGY 3 than most US programs.


Paul
 
leviathan said:
:eek: 94k a year for a PGY3, AND a BMW 540i? You're pulling my leg, right?
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I'm kinda pissed because of the color choices. I had to settle for "Jet Black" instead of the classic "BMW silver" for my 540i the program gave me. I'm thinking of transferring just because I didnt' get the iDrive.
Q
 
Isnt that a reportable violation?
dont let the bastards get you down, Quinn.
 
QuinnNSU said:
I'm kinda pissed because of the color choices. I had to settle for "Jet Black" instead of the classic "BMW silver" for my 540i the program gave me. I'm thinking of transferring just because I didnt' get the iDrive.
Q
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Pffffh on your silver...I'm going to look at (right now) a red 525i and a black 540i.

There's a PGY-1 in surgery who's paying cash for a Lexus. Two gas residents (independently) wondered how much surgery was paying surgeons and EM docs, if we're buying BMW and Lexus as housestaff.
 
I told our Program Director to offer the interns next year the choice of the either a BMW or an Audi. I think if we are going to spend 3 years here, we should atleast have the choice of the car they're going to give us.

Hey I also heard that the program Scrubbs goes to sucks too.
Q
 
leviathan said:
:eek: 94k a year for a PGY3, AND a BMW 540i? You're pulling my leg, right?
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Quinn would never joke about this stuff... you know (s)he's actually a woman too, right?
 
QuinnNSU said:
I told our Program Director to offer the interns next year the choice of the either a BMW or an Audi.

No! No! No!, Though I agree with the BMW, as a matter of fact my US Fellow has the M3 (for real)...the better choice is note the Audi, but the Infinity G35, with a kicking 220 watt Bose and 12 speakers + Sub....and a full-size rimmed spare!!

Paul
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peksi said:
No! No! No!, Though I agree with the BMW, as a matter of fact my US Fellow has the M3 (for real)...the better choice is note the Audi, but the Infinity G35, with a kicking 220 watt Bose and 12 speakers + Sub....and a full-size rimmed spare!!

Paul
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My brother recently sold his convertible M3, and that was a sweet ride. Not to thrilled about all the electronics problems though.

Gotta be convertible for me though. 350z is probably the best thing in its class now. Maybe time to upgrade my s2000.
 
Sessamoid said:
My brother recently sold his convertible M3, and that was a sweet ride. Not to thrilled about all the electronics problems though.

Gotta be convertible for me though. 350z is probably the best thing in its class now. Maybe time to upgrade my s2000.
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You guys got Bimmers? I had to settle for the used Pinto that the program gave us!
 
southerndoc said:
You guys got Bimmers? I had to settle for the used Pinto that the program gave us!
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Pinto? Back in my day, all they gave us was a rusty bicycle... with no wheels!
 
Pinto? I'm rockin the Tracer XL. That's right - my wheelchair is bumpin up on some 21's - cuz that's how we do it on the east coast. My program trumps out the third years with Benzos, so we get the duce duce and the 200 watt subs - cuz you gots to have da bump! They even sprung for the optional IV stand. Yeah - pimp...
 
Sessamoid said:
Either you're flamebaiting, or you just don't get the message. Any such list of "programs you wouldn't go to" is nearly useless to anybody but the person making the list. It's a personal decision having more to do with outside factors than with the qualities of the program. Even the qualities of the program mean nothing if you don't get along with the program director or other residents there. So ask a more specific question than "which programs suck", or you'll get nothing but funny answers.

edit: btw, since you don't seem to have gotten it, every single reply you've gotten on this thread has been a joke. Those lists are mostly littered with programs that various residents here go to or graduated from as playful jabs at each other or ourselves. A few of the lists include very prominent and long-standing programs.
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I dont see any thing funny about my question. It was very specific and yes, very personal. However, if the people who write in this thread wish to share their personal thaughts and experiences, they will creat a great source of information about various programs nationwide. Just think a little before jumping to a conclusion. Anyway thanks for the response.
 
Sessamoid said:
Pinto? Back in my day, all they gave us was a rusty bicycle... with no wheels!
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Seriously, I rode my old bicycle to every one of my rotations during residency even if it was snowing and 5:00 AM. Even now I drive a VW golf. Oh well thats the price you pay...
 
docfos said:
I dont see any thing funny about my question. It was very specific and yes, very personal. However, if the people who write in this thread wish to share their personal thaughts and experiences, they will creat a great source of information about various programs nationwide. Just think a little before jumping to a conclusion. Anyway thanks for the response.
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I guess you don't realize it but your original question sounds like you're asking people to "dis" other people's residency programs, something which we civilized folk here are reluctant to do. You'll get more responses and more useful information from a question like, "What programs did you apply to and why?"
 
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