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When I went through undergraduate and medical school as a single mom it caused me a lot of money. I was repeatedly reassured that the payoff would be worth it and that there would be longer payment programs in my future. When I actually got into residency on the NHSC student to service program my loans were reduced significantly by the $30,000 per year forgiveness for 4 years which started in my final year of medical school.
I knew where I wanted to practice and that it was a qualifying area for the program and so I thought it would not be a problem to do 3 years of full-time work and pay off my loan obligation.
I trained as a full scope family practice provider and I work in the clinic, OB, as a hospitalist, and I work for the hospice program in my county and work an inpatient palliative service. This seems like a lot but it all falls within full scope family practice in a rural community. There were a few important things I wish I had known before I became involved in the National health service core.
1. They only count the work I do in the clinic and none of the other work I do in my community qualifies for the hours that they require. AND they required documentation endlessly.
2. Full-time for my clinic means every waking hour of your life. After a few months I had to drop down to part-time (0.65) in order to sleep at night. Once you discontinue full-time service you will always be considered part-time by the NHSC. You are not allowed to go back. Now the obligation is double the number of years. For me that means 6 years.
3. I know many of my colleagues who have had their service requirement extended for many more years than I can imagine.
4. Clinics that qualify for the loan forgiveness program do not pay their doctors a living wage. They leverage their ability to hire NHSC providers and use it to their advantage. In my case the CEO of the clinic that I work for was a kind and compassionate man who felt strongly about serving his community and shortly after I started working there he died. Now the company is run by a heartless CEO who has no investment in my community and pays providers barely enough to live on. Not only do I love working in the hospital but I also have to work in the hospital to afford my house and my very high loan payments every month.
5. Once you are in the National health service core you do not qualify for other loan forgiveness or repayment programs. California has excellent programs and if I had known that I would be out of debt now and not an indentured servant with still 100s of thousands of dollars to pay off and no forgiveness programs available until I complete my 6 years of indentured servitude. At that point, I will not qualify for most of the programs as I will be too far out of residency.
6. The penalty for quitting the program early, even now, after of paid off half of my years (3 years) is still far more than they forgave on my loans. They forgave $120,000 and after 3 years my penalty if I stopped working for this clinic is $200,000 plus the maximum amount of interest allowed by law. They offer no other options and when you ask they let you know that this is a mandate by Congress and there is no flexibility.
7. You cannot communicate with the National health service corps. It is a government agency and a bureaucracy with no real people who will ever talk to you on the phone. There are no exceptions on any of the rules and there is no consideration for people serving their communities and working themselves to death.
8. I am in debt because I come from a poor family. I am in debt because they went to college after having a divorce and becoming a single mom. I was older when I started college and older than my peers when I started medical school. I started practice after residency at age 37. I may never be out of debt. I will always be scrambling to make ends meet and my son will have to take out loans for college too.
9. Point 8 is the point of this post. This program allows clinics to make doctors into slave labor. It prevents some doctors from ever actually getting out of debt. It serves it's purpose of bringing more doctors into primary care but it does it by scamming the doctors. DON"T DO IT!
10. I will quit primary care the day I am out of this horrible program. I have the date blazed in my mind and I can't wait for it to come. If I work 1/2 as many hours in the hospital as I work now in clinic I will make twice as much money and actually be able to start paying off some actual debt. Until then I will preach to anyone who will hear me. DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE I DID. I will quit primary care to pursue the things I love and the things that are profitable. And, to be truthful, I will quit because I hate this program so very much I do not want them to make me into some success story. This program is a horrible institution and I can only pray that it falls apart with the evil administration in the white house right now. Someone please free me from this terrible situation.
11. Also, just in case you think residency is painful. I work more hours now then I did in residency. I never thought this would be so very hard.
I knew where I wanted to practice and that it was a qualifying area for the program and so I thought it would not be a problem to do 3 years of full-time work and pay off my loan obligation.
I trained as a full scope family practice provider and I work in the clinic, OB, as a hospitalist, and I work for the hospice program in my county and work an inpatient palliative service. This seems like a lot but it all falls within full scope family practice in a rural community. There were a few important things I wish I had known before I became involved in the National health service core.
1. They only count the work I do in the clinic and none of the other work I do in my community qualifies for the hours that they require. AND they required documentation endlessly.
2. Full-time for my clinic means every waking hour of your life. After a few months I had to drop down to part-time (0.65) in order to sleep at night. Once you discontinue full-time service you will always be considered part-time by the NHSC. You are not allowed to go back. Now the obligation is double the number of years. For me that means 6 years.
3. I know many of my colleagues who have had their service requirement extended for many more years than I can imagine.
4. Clinics that qualify for the loan forgiveness program do not pay their doctors a living wage. They leverage their ability to hire NHSC providers and use it to their advantage. In my case the CEO of the clinic that I work for was a kind and compassionate man who felt strongly about serving his community and shortly after I started working there he died. Now the company is run by a heartless CEO who has no investment in my community and pays providers barely enough to live on. Not only do I love working in the hospital but I also have to work in the hospital to afford my house and my very high loan payments every month.
5. Once you are in the National health service core you do not qualify for other loan forgiveness or repayment programs. California has excellent programs and if I had known that I would be out of debt now and not an indentured servant with still 100s of thousands of dollars to pay off and no forgiveness programs available until I complete my 6 years of indentured servitude. At that point, I will not qualify for most of the programs as I will be too far out of residency.
6. The penalty for quitting the program early, even now, after of paid off half of my years (3 years) is still far more than they forgave on my loans. They forgave $120,000 and after 3 years my penalty if I stopped working for this clinic is $200,000 plus the maximum amount of interest allowed by law. They offer no other options and when you ask they let you know that this is a mandate by Congress and there is no flexibility.
7. You cannot communicate with the National health service corps. It is a government agency and a bureaucracy with no real people who will ever talk to you on the phone. There are no exceptions on any of the rules and there is no consideration for people serving their communities and working themselves to death.
8. I am in debt because I come from a poor family. I am in debt because they went to college after having a divorce and becoming a single mom. I was older when I started college and older than my peers when I started medical school. I started practice after residency at age 37. I may never be out of debt. I will always be scrambling to make ends meet and my son will have to take out loans for college too.
9. Point 8 is the point of this post. This program allows clinics to make doctors into slave labor. It prevents some doctors from ever actually getting out of debt. It serves it's purpose of bringing more doctors into primary care but it does it by scamming the doctors. DON"T DO IT!
10. I will quit primary care the day I am out of this horrible program. I have the date blazed in my mind and I can't wait for it to come. If I work 1/2 as many hours in the hospital as I work now in clinic I will make twice as much money and actually be able to start paying off some actual debt. Until then I will preach to anyone who will hear me. DO NOT MAKE THE MISTAKE I DID. I will quit primary care to pursue the things I love and the things that are profitable. And, to be truthful, I will quit because I hate this program so very much I do not want them to make me into some success story. This program is a horrible institution and I can only pray that it falls apart with the evil administration in the white house right now. Someone please free me from this terrible situation.
11. Also, just in case you think residency is painful. I work more hours now then I did in residency. I never thought this would be so very hard.