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Well hello everyone, this is my first post... I feel special!:clap:

I just wanted to see if there was anything out here covering NAVY TMS or FAP... and it seems that there is very little. I would like to maybe get a thread going and answer some of your questions regarding these two topics offered to RESIDENTS.

let me know!

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hold on, let me grab my popcorn and industial strength plastic sheeting (since i'm on the front row)

--your friendly neighborhood let loose the hounds caveman
 
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OK, I'll bite. Tell us what specialties are currently available for FAP and the case volume and clinical experience these physicians can expect once they enter their payback.

Or just go away after 3 posts like every other recruiter.
 
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damn. can i get a refund for this ticket? that didn't last very long at all. clevenger is rolling in his SDN grave, lol.

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OK, I'll bite. Tell us what specialties are currently available for FAP and the case volume and clinical experience these physicians can expect once they enter their payback.

Or just go away after 3 posts like every other recruiter.

i shant second guess you again.

--your friendly neighborhood should have taken the under caveman
 
hold on, let me grab my popcorn and industial strength plastic sheeting (since i'm on the front row)

--your friendly neighborhood let loose the hounds caveman

Hey get me some kettle corn while you are at it will ya!
 
OK, I'll bite. Tell us what specialties are currently available for FAP and the case volume and clinical experience these physicians can expect once they enter their payback.

Or just go away after 3 posts like every other recruiter.

Well Hello, I'm glad this thread has a few comedians... at least some personality!
So yes, I'm sure some of you have seen some stuff here and there about this topic..

Since I know noting about who you are, I'm just going to start with the basics... hopefully that will change with future postings.

Believe it or not, there were only 9 FAP contracts available this year (october 1st)
the number is very small considering we have a national market, as of today, 2 have been granted and there are 8 in work, for only 7 FAPs left. BTW, if you haven't noticed, these go very fast! FAP is open to all medical corps specialties:

· Surgical: General Surgery, Orthopedic Surgery and Urology,

· Primary: Family Med, Psychiatry, Emergency Med, Dermatology and Pulmonology/Critical Care

· Ancillary: Prev Med, Occupational Med, Diagnostic Radiology and Anesthesiology.

FAP is a financial incentive (obviously) for residents who may have considered the NAVY as an alternative at one point in their medical career. Maybe, some of you might have heard about HPSP and HSCP at some point in your education as well, but passed on it, or maybe you were oblivious to their existence. So here you are, MED school is done and you are starting your grind towards the final goal.

So here is the recruiter again, this time with a different tune. . .


What is the Financial Assistance Program?

The Navy Financial Assistance Program (FAP) is a Navy Medicine accession program designed for physicians in residency training in specialties in which Navy Medicine has manning needs. Trainees in all specialties will be considered.

What are the benefits of the program?

As of July 1, 2008 the annual bonus increased to $45,000 and the monthly stipend to $1,907. Participants receive Navy Commissions and are in the Individual Ready Reserve (non drilling reserve) while in the FAP.


While in the program will I be called to active duty?

Participation in the FAP will not put you at risk of being called to active duty prior to completion of residency training. Program participants are authorized 2 weeks of active duty for training (AT) per year. If a participant’s residency training schedule will not permit the 2 weeks of AT, then it can be served at the residency site on “school orders.”


What is my active duty obligation to the Navy for participation in FAP?

Participants incur a year-for-year plus one active duty obligation for program participation. For example: 3 years of program participation will result in a 4-year active duty obligation.


Does time spent in FAP sponsored training count toward the 20 years needed for active duty retirement? No, the time in FAP does not count toward active duty retirement.


Does the time spent in FAP count for pay purposes? Yes, the years spent in FAP will impact on the base pay amount upon reporting to active duty. Example: A participant who completes a FAP sponsored 4-year residency before reporting to active duty will be paid ~ $1,000/month more in base pay than a contemporary who did not complete the FAP program.

FAP participants are also eligible for four of the five medical corps special pay bonuses upon reporting to active duty. These include Variable Special Pay ($5,000-$12,000/yr, amount determined by longevity), Board Certification Pay ($2,500/yr), Additional Special Pay ($15,000/yr) and Incentive Special Pay ($12,000-$36,000/yr, amount determined by specialty)

Does the time spent in FAP count toward promotion to the next higher rank?

Yes, time spent in the IRR counts toward promotion both within in the Reserve and later on active duty. The typical Lieutenant serves 5-6 years before being promoted to Lieutenant Commander (LCDR). Some FAP participants who are training in longer residency programs (surgical specialties) will be selected for promotion to LCDR while in the IRR before reporting to active duty. Others who completed shorter periods of time in the IRR will be considered for promotion (in-zone) within 2-3 years of reporting to active duty.

Yes I copied and pasted the last portion...do you blame me (lol)

If you have more questions please ask.... I do have a daytime job though!
 
OK, I'll bite. Tell us what specialties are currently available for FAP and the case volume and clinical experience these physicians can expect once they enter their payback.

Or just go away after 3 posts like every other recruiter.

that's funny, but usually recruiters rotate every 3 years and circulate back to their real jobs in the fleet, eventually.. this guy will fade away as well! but not any time soon...
 
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and by the way.... since I have noticed some of you have "MODERATOR" tags, let me know if I'm overstepping my boundaries... other websites (allnurses) don't like it when I throw money figures around and stuff...
 
now TMS...

TMS is a Navy Reserve (SELRES DCO) program designed to provide financial and other incentives for professionals while in select Medical and Dental residency and fellowship programs. (Anesthesiology, General Surgery, Orthopedic Surgery, Emergency Medicine, Family Medicine, and Oral Maxillofacial Surgery).

Benefits:

· Direct Commission Officer Select Reserves (SELRES)status while attending Residency or Fellowship program for which selected.

· Receive all pay and allowances as a regular drilling Reservists.

· A Comprehensive health-care benefits package.

· Time in this program counts towards retirement.

· Eligible to receive a monthly stipend of $2,178.90 monthly while in the program.

· Eligible to receive $50,000 in student loan repayment (paid in three installments (20K, 20K, 10K) beginning while in training.

· Example: A Doctor who is a full categorical match into residency program eligible for TMS, Stipend and Loan Repayment can expect to receive at minimum (based on number of years in the residency program:

YEARS MINIMUM INCENTIVE AMOUNT

3 $130,000

4 $155,000

5 $180,000

6 $206,000

7 $233,000


Eligibility Requirements:

· Citizenship - Must be a U.S. Citizen.

· Age - ideally training completed by age 42. All others will be considered on a case by case basis.

· Education - Must be a full categorical MATCH into an accredited residency or fellowship program eligible for TMS.

Service Obligation:

· TMS: 3 year obligation

· TMS + monthly stipend: 1 year for every 6 months stipend is received; minimum 3 years.

· TMS + Stipend + Loan Repayment: 1 year for every 6 months stipend is received; minimum 3 years; loan repayment is paid after each good year (time in training are good years)

HOPE IT HELPS..
 
OK... now how about really expressing your true feelings about Military Medicine!!!
I'm all ears..
 
I am fine.

To answer your other question, I'm a moderator of the anesthesiology forum. I have no power here in milmed. :)
well, that's interesting... did you know that the Navy has a hard time filling Anesthesiologist quotas! are you a reservist or active duty?
 
well, that's interesting... did you know that the Navy has a hard time filling Anesthesiologist quotas! are you a reservist or active duty?

That's an odd thing to say and I'm not quite sure what you mean.

I'm AD.

Anesthesiologist quotas for what? FAP? I would not be surprised at all. (Actually, I guess I am, since I figured the Navy would have no FAP slots for anesthesiology at all.) Civilian anesthesiology residents are close to the finish line, with a high salary and near-total freedom looming. I suspect that most who've made it that far on loans and living poor are pretty motivated to delay gratification a bit longer.

In the grand scheme of things, by the numbers, Navy anesthesiology is overmanned. Supposedly when MEDMACRE gets implemented (soonish?) and the target numbers shift, that will change. The Navy hasn't felt a need for subspecialist anesthesiologists in several years, as reflected by the number of FTOS fellowship slots available for the specialty (approximately zero for the last few years). I guess we'll find out in a few hours if 2014 will be zero also.

So I'm not quite sure what you mean by the Navy having a hard time filling anesthesiologist quotas. The Navy seems to think we're staffed OK. I'm curious to learn what you know that I don't.
 
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I'm still waiting to hear the response to Gastrapathy's question about "the case volume and clinical experience these physicians can expect once they enter their payback."

Tell me about how the Navy supports physician continuing medical education once they are in.

As for quotas, I imagine there's room for one more urologist as this one left not too long ago.
 
This will have to do:
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Does the Navy accept Psychiatrists for the TMS ? What's the quota like for the FAP? I'm an M4. Prior service 0-3 not on HPSP
 
now TMS...

TMS is a Navy Reserve (SELRES DCO) program designed to provide financial and other incentives for professionals while in select Medical and Dental residency and fellowship programs. (Anesthesiology, General Surgery, Orthopedic Surgery, Emergency Medicine, Family Medicine, and Oral Maxillofacial Surgery).

Benefits:

· Direct Commission Officer Select Reserves (SELRES)status while attending Residency or Fellowship program for which selected.

· Receive all pay and allowances as a regular drilling Reservists.

· A Comprehensive health-care benefits package.

· Time in this program counts towards retirement.

· Eligible to receive a monthly stipend of $2,178.90 monthly while in the program.

· Eligible to receive $50,000 in student loan repayment (paid in three installments (20K, 20K, 10K) beginning while in training.

· Example: A Doctor who is a full categorical match into residency program eligible for TMS, Stipend and Loan Repayment can expect to receive at minimum (based on number of years in the residency program:

YEARS MINIMUM INCENTIVE AMOUNT

3 $130,000

4 $155,000

5 $180,000

6 $206,000

7 $233,000


Eligibility Requirements:

· Citizenship - Must be a U.S. Citizen.

· Age - ideally training completed by age 42. All others will be considered on a case by case basis.

· Education - Must be a full categorical MATCH into an accredited residency or fellowship program eligible for TMS.

Service Obligation:

· TMS: 3 year obligation

· TMS + monthly stipend: 1 year for every 6 months stipend is received; minimum 3 years.

· TMS + Stipend + Loan Repayment: 1 year for every 6 months stipend is received; minimum 3 years; loan repayment is paid after each good year (time in training are good years)

HOPE IT HELPS..

Can you explain how this works if a resident opts not to get the $2,178 monthly stipend or the loan forgiveness? My understanding was that in this situtation the resident, while a resident, would get the basic drill pay each month, even though he showed up only twice per year for physical assessment. But clearly that totals up to much less than the 'minimum incentive amount' shown in your post, so we must be thinking of different things.

Also, does the resident do basic officer training while a resident?

In addition, I seem to recall that the resident was not deployable while a resident and for at least one (??) year after residency. Is that right?

In addition 2, how big is this program (i.e., are there a lot of slots or just a few)?

Finally, how long is the upfront processing and when can processing start (i.e., can a med student apply in M4 before match day to get things rolling)?

Thanks.
 
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Really? What about The Red Witch Melisandre and her vagina magic? She hasn't been castrated or beheaded yet. :)

However, given my station in life I am Sansa. I'm pretty sure all I have done is get abused and tell people what they want to hear.

"Tell me about yourself and why you want to be a doctor?"
"Umm...I'm a people person and I like to help people?..."
 
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Well hello everyone, this is my first post... I feel special!:clap:

I just wanted to see if there was anything out here covering NAVY TMS or FAP... and it seems that there is very little. I would like to maybe get a thread going and answer some of your questions regarding these two topics offered to RESIDENTS.

let me know!

Have you heard anything about when the FY-15 budget and numbers for the FAP scholarship will be finalized?
 
Well hello everyone, this is my first post... I feel special!:clap:

I just wanted to see if there was anything out here covering NAVY TMS or FAP... and it seems that there is very little. I would like to maybe get a thread going and answer some of your questions regarding these two topics offered to RESIDENTS.

let me know!
Is it allowed and what is the process if one decided to change their specialty once commissioned as an Officer and a recipient of the FAP scholarship? Or, are you locked into that specialty?
 
Is it allowed and what is the process if one decided to change their specialty once commissioned as an Officer and a recipient of the FAP scholarship? Or, are you locked into that specialty?

google NAVY Program authorization 130B and read it.
 
Have you heard anything about when the FY-15 budget and numbers for the FAP scholarship will be finalized?

9 (NINE) lucky people will get FAP for FY 15, as of today, program is closed, if you are interested you will roll over to 16, call your friendly local recruiter if you are interetsed
 
I'm still waiting to hear the response to Gastrapathy's question about "the case volume and clinical experience these physicians can expect once they enter their payback."

Tell me about how the Navy supports physician continuing medical education once they are in.

As for quotas, I imagine there's room for one more urologist as this one left not too long ago.

go to facebook, chose the page of your favorite naval hospital, make an Active duty friend.... ask him that question
quota for FY-15 DCO, 1 luck soul, nationwide.
we like to keep our doctors dumb... no more education, get your butt to work....
 
I "DO" love the fact that most of all the moderators here, hate recruiters.... love it! even love the fact that some are or were active duty at one point!!
 
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