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I understand the drawback and disadvantage of the military scholarship program is sometimes not being able to choose a residency. Sometimes a person will be forced into a residency that fulfills the military's needs. Is there anyone who knows how often this happens? I am looking for finacial aid now, and I don't want to have to sacrifice my choice of residency, but I will also take the risk, if the risk is low. The military HPSP seems like the best deal out there.

My other question was regarding the military hospitals. I have heard both opinions, and both were extreme. On one hand I have heard they are low-budget non-patient orientented facilities that do not allow doctors to use thier skills. On the other hand, I have heard they are the highest quality top-notch education and patient facilities in the U.S. I am very interested in the opinions out there.

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Originally posted by relish
I understand the drawback and disadvantage of the military scholarship program is sometimes not being able to choose a residency. Sometimes a person will be forced into a residency that fulfills the military's needs. Is there anyone who knows how often this happens? I am looking for finacial aid now, and I don't want to have to sacrifice my choice of residency, but I will also take the risk, if the risk is low. The military HPSP seems like the best deal out there.

My other question was regarding the military hospitals. I have heard both opinions, and both were extreme. On one hand I have heard they are low-budget non-patient orientented facilities that do not allow doctors to use thier skills. On the other hand, I have heard they are the highest quality top-notch education and patient facilities in the U.S. I am very interested in the opinions out there.

I'll take a shot at the first question. I really can't answer the second because I've only seen one army hospital so far -- Brooke, which was very nice.

In Army HPSP, you must pick five choices on your match form. If the army has fewer programs than that, you could match into a program you don't want to do. Thus if you want to do Neurosurgery, you could likely get hosed. If you don't match in one of those 5 programs, under current policy, you will be deferred to the civilian match.

Here's one thing to think about, however. You may change your mind about what you want to do. The army has a good number of programs, but they don't have everything.

Ed
 
I have met very few military docs who were enjoying their practice. Of the five of us fourth year students who rotated at a military hospital and wanted to go into Emergency Medicine, 4 of us got a spot (either a military residency slot or a deferrment.) People get hosed every now and then, no doubt about it. Do not do HPSP unless you are going to a damn expensive medical school AND are going into a relatively low paying medical field OR you want to go into the military. The thing that most people don't know is this...you can sign up anytime, don't rush the decision. You can take loans your first year, then sign on for a 3 year HPSP or you can just do the FAP program as a resident. If I could go back and do it again, I would not sign up for HPSP. It has been a pain in the ass. That said, I got what I wanted out of the match, I have no debt, and my wife and I are hoping to get stationed someplace cool like Europe, Japan, or Alaska.
 
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Desperado,
What did you not like about hpsp?
 
What happens after HPSP, after you've done ur active duty and want to get back into civilian practice? What is the job market for doctors like that?
 
Each service is different, it would be great to find a honest Air Force and Army recruiter who will outline the real deal with there services.

As for the Navy,

If you are in the HPSP program you will apply for a military match for internship, 6 months into internship you will apply for a residency. You can also apply for a "civilian deferment" to apply for a civilian residency. If it is a critical field, i.e. Surgery, then Navy will approve it most of the time, (I have not seen any disapproved but I do not believe in 100% chance of fate).

When you apply for a military residency, if you do not get your choice, you can do a general practice tour and reapply after a year.

THE NAVY WILL NOT FORCE YOU INTO A RESIDENCY

Both the Air Force and Army have general practice tours, so if anyone has heard other wise ask them for it in black and white.
I am not going to go over how the air force or army does there programs without a Air force/army person backing up what I say sicne I am Navy of course.

Yes I am a Navy recruiter but I pride myself in honesty and pretty much know most of the ins and outs of making oneself competitive for a residency if you are a HPSP student.

But nothing on this planet is a guarantee

The number one attribute for receving a navy residency is your competitiveness towards your pears.
 
Yes, this subject sounds interesting, indeed.
 
Hey!
I was wondering if it was too late to apply for hpsp? (specifically the navy) Does anyone know if there are any scholarships left?
 
hey NAVYHPSPREC,

do you know the ins and outs of the dental program?

if i want to specialize in dental, will the navy let me
do a civilian residency, deferring my active duty service
for 3 years, and then enter active duty as a specialist?

also, is it possible for a dentist to be stationed on a ship or
submarine, or are they strictly stationed on land bases?
 
abw, Congrats on USUHS...there are still about 220 scholarships left.

As Far as post Dental school deferments, I would have to check with the individual that handles the dental side.

There are Shipboard duty station but you have a better chance of a land based duty station.
 
Thank you NavyHPSPRec!

Can I ask you a couple more questions?

I'm really excited about USUHS and the navy. I've shadowed a military doctor and asked many students/doctors questions about it, however I'm nervous about my lack of direct exposure to the military. (I was surprised how many people at my USUHS interview said they had no previous military background then in their next sentence said they were an army/navy brat and grew up around it) HPSP would be a better deal to test what the military is like, but I heard people who chose this route are at a disadvantage in residency selection because their payback doesn't show as much "career commitment". Is this true? And would doing HPSP at a DO school weaken my chances to enter more competitive residencies? For the scholarship itself, when is the deadline to apply, and do I contact the recruiter who sent me stuff who is located near my school or do I find one close to where I am now?

Thank you so much!
 
Originally posted by abw
Thank you NavyHPSPRec!

Can I ask you a couple more questions?

I'm really excited about USUHS and the navy. I've shadowed a military doctor and asked many students/doctors questions about it, however I'm nervous about my lack of direct exposure to the military. (I was surprised how many people at my USUHS interview said they had no previous military background then in their next sentence said they were an army/navy brat and grew up around it) HPSP would be a better deal to test what the military is like, but I heard people who chose this route are at a disadvantage in residency selection because their payback doesn't show as much "career commitment". Is this true? And would doing HPSP at a DO school weaken my chances to enter more competitive residencies? For the scholarship itself, when is the deadline to apply, and do I contact the recruiter who sent me stuff who is located near my school or do I find one close to where I am now?

Thank you so much!

Not a recruiter, but I am a Navy HPSP student. People who don't go to USUHs are not less favorable because of less "career commitment," rather there are less spots to be filled for non-USUHS students cause the USUHS graduates are guaranteed a military residency. But, if you are a strong student with good scores etc, no problemo getting into a miliary residency. Being a DO will not weaken your chances; in fact a lot of HPSP students are DO's now. The Navy doesn't view DO's in the same light as 25 years ago. But, to offer my advice: if you had to pick between some DO school and USUHS, why go to the DO school? USUHS is a good school, and you get an MD. Not to mention you will make $3500!!! a month living in a great city, and don't forget NO tuition, free health care, and no speeding tickets (I myself have gotten off twice this month by flashing my military ID--only times pulled over ever). I turned down USUHS, but now sometimes I regret it. Myself, I couldn't pass up my current school, a top ten institution. Not to mention I met my wife the first week of M1, and I wouldn't have met her otherwise!

My problem is that I may not de able to get a full deferment for residency, if I want it. Three years ago I was in your shoes, and I decided to except the Navy scholarship becuase the recruiter "promised" me that I could do a civilian residency if I wanted. Now, of course, I find out that the promise was a total load of bs. On the bright side, San Diego, Portsmouth, and Bethesda are all kick-ass hospitals.
 
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From reading others' posts, I think I can gather that when you apply for the scholarship, you have to have already decided which school you are going to go to. Is this correct?

Is it possible to apply for the scholarship, and show them 3 letters of acceptance, stating that you will attend of those 3 schools, which you will decide on a later date?

Also, do they take into consideration the school(s) you plan to attend, as a factor of whether to accept or reject you for scholarship? The school I hope to get into next year is the most expensive dental school in the nation -- will that deter the armed forces from accepting me?
 
Thank you so much, svt boost, for sharing your experiences with me. I'm having the hardest time making my decision and it helps to hear that USUHS might be a better choice. The reason why I've been thinking a DO school is because the school itself is absolutely amazing (best one I've visited), the people are awesome, and I actually like the ideals of osteopathic medicine a bit more. I'm right by Bethesda now getting my masters, so it would be so easy to go there next year. USUHS was really the only allopathic school that I enjoyed visiting. I'm just scared that you can't really know what the military's like until you join (and my mom is freaking out that I might join), and that I don't know how my boyfriend (very long term/plan on getting married) will keep a job if he has to follow me around when I get restationed.

All the best of luck as you apply for residency! I hope you match to what and where you want!
 
thedentist555

Yes the Dental HPSP does have the option to do a civilian deferment, but from what I am told they are incouraged to jump on the Financial Assistance Program when specializing. THE FAP offers a 24k a year grant as well as the $1,131.00 monthly stipend.

As fart as applying for the scholarship, you can get a "contingent" scholarship without a acceptance letter. I you do not get accepted that year you have to reapply the next year. If you have been accepted to three schools I highly encourage that you submit all the letters with your package because it shows the board that you just did not squeek into a school. Once you are selected you are commissioned. Once you make up your mind on what school you will submit what we call a "Academic Year Statement" which establishes the financial obligation from the navy to your school.

Does not matter what the tuition cost the Navy will pay for the tuition. As far as what school I can tell you that at least on the HPSP side they may give a point or two for like Harvard vice the Univeristy of New England. Which school are you applying to? You mentioned most expensive, all I can think of is Tufts or BU....

abw

svt boost is correct, USUHS students are guaranteed a residency, as well as how DO's are viewed today. MD or DO are the same in the military. I would jump on USUHS in a heart beat. I am sure it is also career enhancing as well. I have also heard good things about Nova, but I would highly recommend that you re-consder USUHS. BTW did you know you get extra money for being married in the military? Actually if you were at USUHS (I don't know there policy on married couples and such) but if you they did dependents are entitled to benfits as you will be on active duty.

svt boost

what specialty are you tring to defer to? Also I would like to apologize for the way your recruiter mislead you. I would stick to San Diego or Bethesda because of location.
 
NAVYHPSPREC

A few questions for you:

What do you know about the loan repayment after I get a residency option (can't remember what the program is called)?

I'm hoping to go into ob/gyn at this point, so I think that qualifies as primary care, and is that something the military is seeking? And in this field, would a land-based station be more likely?

Also, I know that the physical requirements are less strict for "professionals" (drs, lawyers, priests, etc.): just how much is "less strict"? I'm talking about getting in and for staying in.
 
dwstranger

I believe the p[rogram you are refering to is the Financial Assistance Program. Not really a lone repayment, but you can do whatever you want with the 24k you get annually as well as the monthly stipend.

Every year the navy comes up with a critical specialty list, but they always take non-critical specialties.

the only physical requirement is to pass a physical fitness test twice a year. as for "boot camp" there is none for professionals as your self, only Officer Indoctrination School.
 
Originally posted by NAVYHPSPREC
thedentist555


svt boost

what specialty are you tring to defer to? Also I would like to apologize for the way your recruiter mislead you. I would stick to San Diego or Bethesda because of location.

Not sure I want to defer--going into gen surg, which will actually have the most deferments I have been told from HPSP. I actually want to do a military residency, just sometimes I think I am missing out on something, somehow. My first choice, especially since I am already w coast, is San Diego, and then second is Portsmouth actually cause we can buy a house there!).

cheers
 
Originally posted by svt boost
just sometimes I think I am missing out on something, somehow. My first choice, especially since I am already w coast, is San Diego, and then second is Portsmouth actually cause we can buy a house there!).

cheers

Well feel free to email me or post.

THe cost of living, at least housing is not as expensive in Virginia. I shold have bought there....

Good luck!
 
NAVYHPSPREC...

> Yes the Dental HPSP does have the option to do a civilian >deferment, but from what I am told they are incouraged to jump >on the Financial Assistance Program when specializing. THE FAP >offers a 24k a year grant as well as the $1,131.00 monthly >stipend.

So in other words, I still have the 'option' to do the civilian without FAP? In other words, they cannot "FORCE" me to do FAP, but they "ENCOURAGE" it?

What's the FAP deal? Is it where they pay you for each year you are in a civilian residency, and then slap on more years to your military commitment? Or do you actually do your specialty resideny with a Navy hospital?

>Which school are you applying to? You mentioned most >expensive, all I can think of is Tufts or BU....

Tufts is one of them, but the "expensive" one i was referring to is University of the Pacific. It's a three year (36 month) program, but it actually makes you pay 4 periods of tuition, in 9 month periods. Just curious, would that make my military obligation 3 years or 4 years?

One other question... if I apply and am accepted to the HPSP, do I have to accept it? You said that once you're selected, you are commisioned, which makes it sound like you don't have a choice...

Thanks for all your input!
 
Yes you can apply for a civilian deferment, you do not have to take FAP if you are in a civilian deferment. FAP does tack on years. on top of the HPSP obligation. I have seen HPSP students get a civilian deferment and jump on FAP for the money.

You can apply for a specialty throught the Navy as well.

If it is a three year program you will have a three year obligation. But from what you are saying is they charge you for 4 years. I checked out the program and about had a heart attack at the tuition. But three years is three years. It would have to be double checked just in case.

Applying to the program is not a commitment to accept the program. It is when you do accept it that you are commissioned.
 
NAVYHPSPREC-

>>>> Yes you can apply for a civilian deferment, you do not have to take FAP if you are in a civilian deferment. FAP does tack on years. on top of the HPSP obligation. I have seen HPSP students get a civilian deferment and jump on FAP for the money. <<<<

Assume I get into a civilian residency. Then, if I "apply" for a deferment, does that mean I'll get it for sure, or is it up to the discretion of the Navy (or AF/Army).

Also, before I even accept the scholarship, can I ask for the writing up front that says I am guaranteed a civilian deferment if I am accepted to a civilian residency when I graduate?

Thanks again
 
Hello,
I just wanted to add my 2 cents about the military pay. I'll admit that at first, I was very (very) skeptical about wanting to do a military residency. But now, I'm quite pleased with it. I won't go into the details of why I think my residency training is pretty strong, but I will give you an idea of how much money you're saving doing a military residency.

I'm sure that many of you, like me, didn't think much about the finance of being a future physician. I'm sure some of you out there think: I'll be making tons of money as a physician and will easily be able to pay off my loans and also have a nice house and be able to provide my children with a private education. If any of you think this naively, then you haven't done the math.

The best thing about being a military doc is that you not only save, but also make pretty good money. (oooh, some of you may be cringing at the word "money" as a bad thing... )

According to my calculations, these are the huge perks:
1)The best thing is that your debt free!! This is so important because imagine having to pay $500/month for 20 years on a $150K loan. You could be using that money to invest in your retirement. Plus, it's going to hurt your credit report preventing you from getting good mortgage loans for buying a house.
2)Another thing that's great is that being in the military with "active duty" status qualifies you to enroll in this bank called "USAA". And without at doubt, this is an awesome bank! The service is superb, you get great advice on how to invest your money (e.g., building your retirement, paying for your children's future college tuitions, getting loans for a home or car, etc...). I can't say enough about this bank. Before, I had Bank of America and was getting ripped off by them on so many service charges.
3)As a resident, you get paid $50,000 which is by far better than any other place. It makes having a family very doable.
4)If you elect to do a one year GMO, you get an upfront bonus of $15,000 plus your salary for that year goes up to $70,000. Total is $85,000 for one year. Think about what you can do with that money (i.e., reinvest it into your retirement account so that it'll help you retire several years earlier than originally planned.).
5)You can take advantage of the military's Commissary and Supermarket Stores which are super cheap and you don't have to pay any taxes.
6)HPSP scholars qualify for the Montgomery GI bill when they become active duty in the military. This means that if you give the goverment $100/month for 12 months (i.e., total $1200), you'll qualify to receive $900/month for 3 years (i.e., total $36,000) in additional fellowship training. For me, I'm planning on doing a non-military (civilian) residency and using the GI bill to give me more income. So when you do the math, that comes out $67,000 for 3 years of fellowship at a civillian program ($55K average of most civillian fellowship programs + $12K GI supplement income).
7)No Malpractice insurance fees. Being in the military, you never have to pay for malpractice. But in the civillian world, malpractice can cost you up to $200,000/year in some specialties. And believe me, there's no way you'd be able to reasonably pay that amount.
8)Health insurance is all covered for you and your family.
9)Life insurance plans are very cheap. I pay $15/month for a $250,000 life insurance.

I can go on and on about all the financial benefits. But I'll stop for now.

My take on being a doctor is this: Yes, we went into this profession to help people and not become a millionaire. But at the same time, we didn't go into this profession to end up being a slave to debt. Nowadays, it doesn't make any sense to be a physician. Medical school is ridiculously overpriced and the huge debts that people get themselves into hurts them financially in the long-run. You need to do the math yourself.

For me, these are the things that I want in my life:
1)Be well-trainined as a physician, have several more publications before finishing residency, making myself marketable by the time I leave the military for a civillian job.
2)Start early in my investments (i.e., Roth IRA and 529K Education fund) so that they're growing at the right pace to allow me to pay for most of my children's college tuitions so that they're not burdened with debt and allow me and my wife to retire by age 65 with a comfortable income.

Being in the military clearly allows me and my family to meet those two objectives stated above and I couldn't be happier.

Last of all, people might be wondering that there's probably a catch to all these great incentives. Well, when you graduate from residency, your salary probably will be a bit lower than someone graduating from civillian program. For example, a starting salary in Pediatrics is about $90,000 to 110,000 in the civillian world. But in the military, it's about $75,000 to 80,000. Some of you may be thinking that the extra money you get from a civillian program is huge. But again, not so. Being in the military, you get FREE health insurance for you and your family and you don't have to pay any Malpractice insurance which is probably $10,000 to 15,000/year for pediatricians. So again, you MAKE more in the military.
 
Originally posted by latte01
For example, a starting salary in Pediatrics is about $90,000 to 110,000 in the civillian world. But in the military, it's about $75,000 to 80,000. Some of you may be thinking that the extra money you get from a civillian program is huge. But again, not so. Being in the military, you get FREE health insurance for you and your family and you don't have to pay any Malpractice insurance which is probably $10,000 to 15,000/year for pediatricians. So again, you MAKE more in the military.

That's great, but waht about thos of us who want to specialize. If you are going to be a radiologist or dermatologist then making 75-80K per year is nothing compared to 250K that you would make in the private sector. I believe that HPSP is great if you are going to go into general practice but you will lose TONS of money in the long run if you want to specialize. I want to specialize and therefore HPSP is not for me because the monetary perks during med school and residency are bogus compared to what you will lose in income when you pay back your time. Think about it 250K-80K=170K, now multiply that by 4 years (680K) is what you will lose by doing HPSP. Even in you calculate around the 200K you will receive for tuition, etc. during med school you still lose a ton of money. Just something to think about.

Also recruiters will tell you that you make more as a specialist in the military, that's somewhat true but it's insignificant, maybe 10-15K more per year than a general practice doc.:rolleyes:
 
Hi aquaboy,

You made some good points. But again you're mistaken.
If you do radiology or surgery in the military, your salary
ranges between $130,000 to 150,000. True, you'll
make two to three times that amount on the outside
which is why I'm planning on getting out after I'm
done with my military obligations.

But think about it, starting out with a salary >$150,000
actually hurts you in many ways. For one, you automatically disqualify for a Roth IRA which I think is a HUGE negative.
If you don't know anything about a Roth IRA, I suggest you
read about it. Secondly, you end up paying much more
in malpractice, health, and life insurance on the outside
which eats up about 50K to 100K of your salary easily.
And thirdly, if you think it's easy to build up your
retirement account when you're in the highest tax bracket,
you're wrong. The best you could do is to invest that
money in a NON-Roth (traditional) IRA but believe me, you'll get
TAXED on the principal, interest accrued, and on when
you decide to pull out your money. So in other words,
your money grows like a turtle in non-ROTH IRA accounts.
The banks and government will charge you every way
possible on interests. But not so in Roth IRA or even
TSP (thrift savings plans) accounts because they're protected
by law.

Again, I'm not advocating for a long-term career in the
military. But I would say that 6-8 years in the military
early on in your career is totally worth it if you're looking
to be financially secure. As crazy as this sounds, it's actually
a good thing to have a salary of $150,000 or less for as long
as possible to take advantage of all the retirement perks.
Of course, once it gets to be unreasonable, you can get out
and find your job that pays 250-400K. By then, your Roth
IRA would've climbed to approximately $1.1 million (assuming
you paid 5-10K yearly, annual stock return was 8-15%, for 8 years total). And one only needs about 2.5 million (tax-free) to retire comfortably by age 65.
 
Does anyone have the figures on related information for OB? I'm wondering what my chances are of getting the residency in that field, what the military vs. civilian salary rates are, how the military residencies for OB are, etc.

Also, has anyone done HPSP and regretted it?

When serving your time after residency, how often do you have to move? How much say do you have in where you go? These are questions the military websites don't answer.

Thanks!
:D
 
Hi latte01,

You make some good points but YOU are mistaken!!!!!!! You are planning on doing a military residency in surgery or radiology (5-7 years), then an additional 4 years to pay off your time requirement. You will be in the military for a total of 9-13 years. You are right about ROTH IRA's. They are a great investment but you are being unrealistic about putting in 5-10K/year during residency. You will only be able to put that much in after residency when you start to make the "big bucks". When you quote that specialists in the military make 130-150K you are talking about specialists who have been out of residency for a while, not those fresh out of residency. It doesn't make a lot of business sense to pay physicians that are obligated to work for you a lot of money until their time is up and they have the option of moving on. I would say realistically that you will be making around 100K after residency as a specialist. I know this for a fact because a family friend went through the military and said they offer you the big bucks to keep you on after your repayment of time and because I have extensively investigated the HPSP scholarship but was turned off when I learned the truth.

Just because you are in the higher tax bracket doesn't mean that you can't find other ways of investing your money. If what your saying is true then no one would be rich. I wouldn't invest my money in non-ROTH IRA's because they are low-yield compared to mutual funds, etc. Look into other ways of investing your money!!
Another thing that you might not be thinking of is starting all over again. When you leave the military you will be starting all over again. If you go into private practice that means that colleagues of yours in med school that did the normal route will be making 300-400K a year while you made 100K a year in the military and they will have established practices.

They will continue to make great money while you have to start from the bottom up. The money issue is a wash if you are going to be a specialist. Over the 4 years you spend in the military your colleagues will make about 750K more than you. They will have debt to pay off, sure! If they pay it all off and let's say it amounts to 350K (very high and not the case for most) after interest. That still leaves them with 400K more than you. Plus you say they pay malpractice insurance equal to 50K per year (a little high). Then they are still left with about 200k more than you and I would rather have that to invest than in mutual funds etc. than 5-10K a year in a roth IRA.

I haven't even accounted for the monetary difference due to them having established practices and you starting anew after the military.

I am not bashing you but I want others to see some of the drawbacks of becoming a specialist in the military. There are many, money is just one issue but loss of autonomy for 9-13 years is a much harder factor to quantify. Congrats for doing something you believe in and for serving our country. I do truly respect all those who serve in the military. My advice would be to those looking into HPSP to do it if you truly want to serve your country, BUT DON'T DO IT FOR THE MONEY!!!!!!!!! :eek:
 
LATTE,

The Roth IRA is not as HUGE as you think...

You cannot put more than $3,000 per year in
it, though that number will be SLIGHTLY increased
in the next few years.

Do the math... it's not that big of an "advantage"
to be making less than $150K just so you can
put cash into a Roth.

This is not meant to be a rip... just thought I'd
bring the Roth IRA back down to earth ;)
 
Got a couple ? for you folks:
I am considering signing up for the Army FAP. I am doing a gen surg residency. Would I be able to complete a fellowship after residency? Do you have a say in where you would serve your obligation?

What is the possibility of being called-up during a residency? Is the yearly $23k given to you as a lump sum? I've had difficulty finding out this info. Would greatly appreciate any info -- thanks
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does military HPSP offer a 2 year scholarship, or is the minimum 3 years?
 
Ahhh....I return to the forum after a few months. Sorry for those who addressed questions to me in January. I do get Private Messages but I don't thumb through this forum very often.

As stated previously, I wouldn't do HPSP again. That is because:
1) I am not doing primary care (low pay) and I did not go to an expensive medical school. The Air Force got me for a steal. Most of my classmates only have 100K debt. So if my starting salary post-residency were $180,000 (the going rate in my specialty), I could dedicate $30,000 a year to loans, pay them off in four years (that includes another $20,000 interest) and still make a good $45,000 more than a military doc. All that crap about insurance, BX/PX shopping, stipends, IRAs etc is relatively piddlly when compared to the extra $80-100 a year. As an EP, my hospital will pay my malpractice, my health insurance, my retirement plan, and my $180,000 a year. HPSP is not a financial jackpot. You may come out a little ahead, (if you go to an expensive school and you want to do Peds) but I ask, is it worth it?

2)During my time in medical school I have worked at a number of AF hospitals. In general, I find a lower level of satisfaction among the physicians than I do in the outside world. I also see a larger percentage of less competent colleagues. (This is a generalization, but one that seems to be true in my experience.) There are a number of physicians who work very few hours. The military is probably a good place for a lazy doc to be. You are salaried, and so, the more you work the less you're paid per hour. You can imagine how that affects the desire to take new patients in your clinic or on your service. Thus, the frustration.

3) For most specialties, deployment is a real concern. Post 9/11, deployment sucks more than it ever has. Being deployed to Prince Sultan Air Base near Riyadh is like being put in a minimum security prison. You have a gym, a cafeteria, a library, and a small amount of work to do each day, but you CANNOT leave! 3-6 months of boredom is something you can count on doing 1-3 times in the 4 years you will owe the military. The way wars go these days there aren't exactly casualties rolling through the doors all day long. Mostly I think the most excitement you see is treating a few Iraqi POWs for 3 weeks of your 6 month deployment.

4) Stop-Gap. If you don't know what this is you had best find out before signing an HPSP contract. Basically, if something is going on in the world, the military doesn't have to let you out after your time is up.

DO NOT SIGN UP FOR HPSP UNLESS YOU WOULD SIGN UP WITH THE MILITARY EVEN IF THEY PAID YOU NOTHING DURING MEDICAL SCHOOL. THIS IS NOT A FINANCIAL DECISION, IT'S A LIFESTYLE ONE.

Signing up probably isn't the worst decision I have ever made in the world, but I do have some regrets. (Also see my previous post.) PM with questions, I may no stop back in this forum again.
 
Hopefully I can answer a few questions and someone else can answer mine.

For a current breakdown on military pay, go to:

http://www.dfas.mil/

Click on the link for Military Pay Scales, and download the pdf file for current pay rates. For an estimate of current base salary (not including many other benefits and bonuses), look at the rate for O3, which is the rank in which physicians enter the military. Scroll down to find the professional pay rates for physcians, based on the specialty in which you are interested. Add this to the base salary, and you have a very rough estimate.

Now, maybe someone currently in a military residency can answer this question for me which nobody else seems to know. I am currently enrolled in army HPSP and am in a DO program. After I finish my military commitment, I would like to practice in my home state of Pennsylvania. The DO liscencing board of PA requires that a physician must complete a 1 year osteopathic internship after graduation, then complete an osteopathic residency in order to practice in the state. A few other states have similar requirements, but most do not. However, the AOA grants many exceptions to these requirements. Is there anyone who knows if the legal obligation of military service meets the AOA's criteria for granting an exception? I know that HPSP docs can do a civilian residency, but I would prefer the military option
 
Anyone know how much time is alotted to accept/deny HPSP?
 
Originally posted by thedentist555
does military HPSP offer a 2 year scholarship, or is the minimum 3 years?

hey thedentist,
i'm looking into the HPSP, and as far as i know, they offer 1,2,3 or 4 year scholarships for medical students, but there are decreasing number of scholarships available. for example, they offer about 250 4-yr scholarships, but only 150 3-year scholarships, and 100 of the 2-year and so on.
the dental scholarships i'm not so sure about. but this is the case of medical scholarships.
 
Originally posted by thedentist555
does military HPSP offer a 2 year scholarship, or is the minimum 3 years?

hey thedentist,
i'm looking into the HPSP, and as far as i know, they offer 1,2,3 or 4 year scholarships for medical students, but there are decreasing number of scholarships available. for example, they offer about 250 4-yr scholarships, but only 150 3-year scholarships, and 100 of the 2-year and so on.
the dental scholarships i'm not so sure about. but this is the case of medical scholarships.
 
I believe that even if you do a 1-year scholarship, the minimum payback is 2 years -- make sure you check on this. If you just want it for a short time, FAP may be a better route.

Also, be careful taking a short scholarship. If you pick a long residency track your obligation will increase. E.G. I have a three year scholarship, If I do general surgery, my obligation "increases" to 4 years. As your recruiter about your scholarship obligation vs. your training obligation. If they can't or don't answer correctly, get them to put you in touch with someone who can.

Ed
 
Originally posted by thedentist555
does military HPSP offer a 2 year scholarship, or is the minimum 3 years?

hey thedentist,
i'm looking into the HPSP, and as far as i know, they offer 1,2,3 or 4 year scholarships for medical students, but there are decreasing number of scholarships available. for example, they offer about 250 4-yr scholarships, but only 150 3-year scholarships, and 100 of the 2-year and so on.
the dental scholarships i'm not so sure about. but this is the case of medical scholarships.
 
I want to do HPSP because I want to give something back to this great country of ours. The financial stuff is just a secondary benefit.

The biggest point most of you are missing is what I just said. If you want to do HPSP for the money, don't do it. I grew up around the military (army), my father was an EMT/Firefighter for them. I started out college in NROTC. It's just a natural duty I feel to give back.

Military life is very dichatomous. You either like it or you don't. Luckily, I have had enough experience to already know that I do. Don't let the dollar signs guide your judgement.
 
i'm glad you brought up that fact JKDMed. the fact that you should want to be in the military to serve our country is so true. the money isn't the reason to go through the program. i want to join the military, so that fact usually remains unmentioned for me because it is so obvious. but yes, the financial aid and everything really IS secondary to serving the country in our own special way ;)
 
I was wondering if there are any program participants out there right now. I am trying to iron out my budget and would like to know wat what rate the stipend is taxed at so I have a realistic figure to budget around. If anyone could help with a PM, it would be appreciated.
 
Just wanted to get a clear response on this question.

I am applying to medical school, hopefully will start in August 2008. When should I start applying for the HPSP scholarship?

I had heard that I should start right away, without an acceptance letter since it is a long process, but haven’t ever had a recruiter respond to any of my emails.

(the fighting services are way short docs, but their recruiters don’t seem to care so much, go figure :)
 
Just wanted to get a clear response on this question.

I am applying to medical school, hopefully will start in August 2008. When should I start applying for the HPSP scholarship?

I had heard that I should start right away, without an acceptance letter since it is a long process, but haven’t ever had a recruiter respond to any of my emails.

(the fighting services are way short docs, but their recruiters don’t seem to care so much, go figure :)

Wow, you may have set a record reviving a 4+ year-old thread. I'm not sure of the answer, but you could try the military medicine forum.

Ed
 
Actually, the Navy recruiter is inaccurate. The AF allows unmatched residents the option to go to a civilian residency. Be careful with talking to one service!!! Talk to them all and get the real info, first. You can apply for the AF HPSP as soon as you have taken your MCAT. This way, you can find out if you are qualified for the program ASAP. In addition, have the recruiter take you on a tour of the military treatment facility. After seeing all three branches, I know which one you will be happier with. I don't see many that aren't.
 
So hard to get ahold of the recruiter! I have my paperwork turned in. Four acceptances mailed in! Yikes when do we hear back? Anyone know how to move along the process or to increase my chances of getting in?:cool:
 
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