master degree in us ..

[ecrivain]

Hi doctors..
I am new member in your great forum .I am Egyptian medical student in last month of study .I will be graduated to be house officer.

I have some questions about Master degree & medical research ..


I am sorry to put this topic here .. I don't know the exact suitable position to put it .. so if admin see I am faulty he can send it to suitable one.



I want to take my master degree in America . I am talented in orthopedics . I know I must get USMLE , but after getting USMLE I heard that it is very very difficult to get orthopedics .I will get only internal medicine pediatrics & family medicine apart from all surgeries .


so I am depressed from the way of USMLE ..


I am really like medical research ... I am really like orthopedics ... I am really dreaming to study in America

how come 3 together??


any one can tell me?

I was advised by some friends in America to send for American universities to study there ..

I don't know, is it easy??
Am I needing usmle ??
will I join master degree , or restudy the whole medicine apart from my study in Egypt??

I heard that I must have very good CV .. but what is the meaning ??

for example ..
I got very good & excellent in All my study in medicine
I am hard worker .. I study 6 hours per day from beginning of the year to be 14 hours near exam

I didn't depend on my faculty only study .. I had very good training on clinical skills at my university hospital for 6 months at summer holidays

I had very good training on pharmacy to know prescription & trade names, for 3 months in summer holidays

in addition to some local courses..

Are these useful items to be written in my CV?

I wanna know how to make a wonderful matching with research team in American universities ...
how can I spend my house officer year preparing myself by skills to be accepted in America?

what about GRE & GMAT??


I'm sorry about my much questions ..

but if someone know please answer me


very happy to attach such nice forum

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[Winged Scapula]

I'm not sure what your goals are.

A master's degree can be completed in a number of different fields. But if your desire is to work as a physician in the United States, a master's degree does not help you toward that goal. USMLE is not required for a master's level education in the US; you will take either the GRE, GMAT, etc. depending on your field of study. In addition, most master's degrees are expensive, and you may not be eligible for scholarships or loans.

If your goal is to be an orthopaedic surgeon, then yes, that it extremely difficult for someone who has trained outside of the US to get into. Its difficult even for US medical students to get into. A master's degree will not get you into an orthopaedic surgery residency. If you wish to enter a US residency of any kind, the USMLE is required, as is ECFMG certification.

Please see these links:

http://www.ecfmg.org
http://www.nrmp.org
http://www.usmle.org

You can come to the US and do research if that is your goal, but I remain a bit confused about your professional goals - is it to be an orthopaedic surgeon, do orthopaedic research or to get a graduate degree (and if the latter, in what field)?

Your CV should list only the facts of your education and work experience, licenses, perhaps exam scores and any scholarships or awards; you do not list individual courses or how much you studied. There are lots of online examples of how a CV is to be structured.

Finally, it is true that most foreign nationals who do house officer training in the US do so in the fields of internal medicine, pediatrics, family medicine and psychiatry. There are very few in orthopaedic surgery. It would be easier to start all over in a US medical school in terms of getting into orthopaedics but most will not take someone who has medical training elsewhere and without some US undergraduate education, you are not likely eligible for a US medical school.

I hope this has helped.

 

[ecrivain]

thank you dr winged scapula i just understand the American system
i knew that there is no master or MD to be specialist & consultant like Egypt
i knew it is American board ..

i understand that USmle is obligatory for practice ..

but there is no other way ?????????????

If your goal is to be an orthopaedic surgeon, then yes, that it extremely difficult for someone who has trained outside of the US to get into. Its difficult even for US medical students to get into. A master's degree will not get you into an orthopaedic surgery residency. If you wish to enter a US residency of any kind, the USMLE is required, as is ECFMG certification.

u say it is difficult even for American thus who will be orthopedic surgeon ??

I wanna to be orthopedic & I am hesitated about America not to be so there ..

i heard it is difficult but not impossible .. how can I do it

what are needs ??
training in American hospitals??
externship , observeship??
excellent score in usmle??
how can I do it ??

Finally, it is true that most foreign nationals who do house officer training in the US do so in the fields of internal medicine, pediatrics, family medicine and psychiatry.

you mean that training is facility to enhance my chance for residency ?
is it before cs step 2??
or which you mean??



finally about my research aim ... i wanna to make orthopedics researches & publish in medical journal ... to add to orthopedics .. to become immortal ...


i am sorry about my confusing questions , but i really don't know about medicine anywhere except Egypt

thank you ..

 

[ecrivain]

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[NotAProgDirector]

Honestly, your chances of getting an orthopedic training spot in the US is basically zero. If you really wanted that, unfortunately you should have started the process years ago. You would need OUTSTANDING USMLE scores, multiple rotations in US medical schools (which you can only do while actually a medical student -- once you graduate from medical school, you will not be able to do these any more), research or other 1-on-1 experience with US orthopedic surgeons affiliated with a training program, a near-perfect command of english, and lots of luck. Even with all of this, your chances are very poor.

If you really want ortho, you're better off staying in Egypt (assuming it's possible for you to do it there).

If you come to the US, be prepared to do the fields mentioned above. Starting in one of those fields and transferring to ortho is virtually impossible also.

 

[ecrivain]

If you really want ortho, you're better off staying in Egypt (assuming it's possible for you to do it there).

1st thank you for your reply ...

i feel much burdens & disappointed ..
it is sooo easy to get ortho here in egypt , but my goal is medical research which is nearly absent


why ortho is so difficult for me .. is it for ortho definitely or for any surgery ??
is it possible if I have green card?
is it possible if I have American nationality ?

it is easy to take in Germany but if i take it can i come to America to practice ?
or i have to got USMLE ?
what about specialists who travel to America .. do they change specialty ? or take USMLE or what ??


then if all is hard & the only way is what you mentioned
how should I begin in details
i don't know any prof there ..
if it is the only hope i will begin to do , i will succeed to do it



thank you my dear progdirector

 

[Winged Scapula]

1st thank you for your reply ...

i feel much burdens & disappointed ..
it is sooo easy to get ortho here in egypt , but my goal is medical research which is nearly absent

Again, is your goal Orthopaedic research or to be an Orthopaedic Surgeon? Doing research in the US is fairly easy, getting into Ortho training to be a surgeon is not.

why ortho is so difficult for me .. is it for ortho definitely or for any surgery ??[/SIZE]
is it possible if I have green card?
is it possible if I have American nationality ?

Orthopaedic Surgery is one of the most competitive specialties for EVERYONE. I agree with aPD that your chances are essentially nil. I personally know 1 IMG who is now an Orthpod in the US - he spent years doing Ortho research before medical school, spent every summer and every vacation making connections and doing more research, got a phenomenal USMLE Step 1 and did multiple rotations in the US. He was one of only a couple of IMGs who matched into Ortho that year...just ran into him last week (as well have privileges at the same hospital). He was diligent throughout his career and his goals have been met.

However, as a near grad from medical school you are not eligible for elective rotations in the US. Having a green card or being a US citizen (which would take years, BTW) will not significantly help you in getting into an orthopaedic surgery residency. The fact is that there are many well qualified US students who fail to match every year, so programs (which are funded by US taxpayers) are not necessarily interested in taking someone from outside the US.

it is easy to take in Germany but if i take it can i come to America to practice ?[/SIZE]

Probably not. Most surgical specialties require that you have done the vast majority of your training in the US. You could train in Germany and there are exceptions for people who are considered to be international experts or whom possess skills not available in the US, to come here and practice, but again, that is highly unlikely. The US does not have reciprocity with training in other countries, so do not go to Germany to train in Orthopaedic Surgery with a plan to work here in the US as most practices and hospitals will not hire you or give you privileges without US residency training or fellowship.

or i have to got USMLE ?

To be licensed to practice in the US, you must take all 3 portions of the USMLE.

what about specialists who travel to America .. do they change specialty ? or take USMLE or what ??

Many do change specialties. Some are considered international authorities and can be hired at medical schools to teach (but rarely will you find them in the community practicing). Some come for additional fellowship training but return to their home country. Again, to work as a licensed physician in the US, at minimum you must take the USMLEs.

then if all is hard & the only way is what you mentioned [/SIZE]
how should I begin in details
i don't know any prof there ..
if it is the only hope i will begin to do , i will succeed to do it

thank you my dear progdirector[/SIZE]

Again, I think you misunderstand the process of training and/or working in the US which aPD has outlined above.

The competition to get into Orthopedic Surgery and many surgical specialties is fierce. Orthopedics is known as one of the most competitive of all specialties in the US. It is extremely rare for an IMG/FMG to get into training here.

If your goal is to be an Orthopod, as he notes above, your best option is to stay in Egypt, do your training, perhaps come to the US for some advanced fellowship training.

Without US clinical experience and killer USMLE Step scores, your chances of getting into residency here are slim to none.

But again, please clarify if your goal is to do research or to practice medicine as the advice will differ. You do not need to take USMLEs to work in an Orthopedic research lab, but you will not be operating or taking care of patients (if that is your goal).

 

[ecrivain]

Again, is your goal Orthopaedic research or to be an Orthopaedic Surgeon? Doing research in the US is fairly easy, getting into Ortho training to be a surgeon is not.

mmmm ... there is frankly misleading according me ..
so I wanna know some definitions & tasks

i Egypt the orthopedic surgeon is the person who operates patients , opens clinic , teaches in university & do researches in his MD "PhD" & master degree

so I spoke from my Egyptian knowledge .. but it seems different in US

so I wanna know who do research ??
is there difference between prof & surgeon .. what is job of prof??

as you said it is easy to be ortho researcher .. during my stay in america what will be my job ? how can I do research apart from practice?

all these things seems vague to me

If your goal is to be an Orthopod, as he notes above, your best option is to stay in Egypt, do your training, perhaps come to the US for some advanced fellowship training.

if so is it useful ? what is its value ? can I observe only without working patient or work him?

But again, please clarify if your goal is to do research

to do research i mean by it invention of procedures & operation .. i mean discovery of secrets of tumours .. i mean drug invention .. nanotechnology ..
if so
give me advice ..

I wanna give you example

since 30 y there was Egyptian lecturer in Cairo called Nabil el sherif
did more researches in electrophysiology then he send paper to an American university which admired it .. he is in America since that day & added more & more to that science ... what about this??



thank you very very much for your help winged scapula

I am sorry if my questions are boring or lack of bases ....

 

[Winged Scapula]

mmmm ... there is frankly misleading according me ..
so I wanna know some definitions & tasks

i Egypt the orthopedic surgeon is the person who operates patients , opens clinic , teaches in university & do researches in his MD "PhD" & master degree

so I spoke from my Egyptian knowledge .. but it seems different in US

It does not appear to be different. You inquired about coming to the US for a Master's degree and doing research.

In the US you can have a largely clinical practice which means operating and seeing patients in clinic. If you teach at a medical school or residency program, you will get an academic appointment. Most will also operate and see patients in clinic.

Some orthopedic surgeons have active research labs but few have a PhD or Master's degree in addition to their medical degree. It is not necessary in the US to have these to do research, the medical school degree obtained (MD or DO) is sufficient, although some will have advanced degrees. It is just not as common in Orthopedics.

so I wanna know who do research ??
is there difference between prof & surgeon .. what is job of prof??

A professor is an academic title. Full professorship takes many years to obtain and is often the result of many years of work, clinical duties and research or publications. It implies some teaching commitment and many departments require a certain amount of research and published works to advance from associate, assistant to full professor.

A surgeon can be a professor but many are not. If you are practicing in the community, without a medical school or residency affiliation, you will not be a professor.

as you said it is easy to be ortho researcher .. during my stay in america what will be my job ? how can I do research apart from practice?

My question was whether or not you want to practice or do research as it was not clear. It now appears you are assuming that all orthopedic surgeons do research. Most in community practice do little or only rarely.

If you wish to be a full time researcher, there are many labs around the country, or you can work for a device company which manufactures equipment for use in the OR. These are a lot easier to get when compared to getting into Orthopedic surgery residency.

if so is it useful ? what is its value ? can I observe only without working patient or work him?

I am not sure what you are asking about. You cannot have clinical interactions with patients as a physician without a license. You cannot get a license until you have taken all 3 steps of USMLE, the last step requires at least a year of US graduate residency training.

to do research i mean by it invention of procedures & operation .. i mean discovery of secrets of tumours .. i mean drug invention .. nanotechnology ..
if so
give me advice ..

I'm not sure what advice you are looking for. If you want to be an orthopedic surgeon you need to finish medical school and enter training in this specialty. Once you become fully trained, you can do some research in addition to your clinical duties.

If you wish to do orthopedic research, then many labs around the country are looking for post-docs or others to do the day to day research, statistics, etc. It will not involve working as a surgeon.

I wanna give you example

since 30 y there was Egyptian lecturer in Cairo called Nabil el sherif
did more researches in electrophysiology then he send paper to an American university which admired it .. he is in America since that day & added more & more to that science ... what about this??

Dr. El Sherif is certainly very distinguished and accomplished. He however, entered the US when it was possible to train abroad and come to the US for practice, at a time when a full residency was not required to practice. He also came as a distinguished foreign physician, an international expert if you will. Finally, the field of IM is not nearly as competitive as Orthopedic Surgery.

I am not sure why you bring him up. There are plenty of Foreign Trained physicians in the US. However, you will be hard pressed to find a recent grad practicing as an Orthopedic Surgeon without having done his/her residency training here in the US.

I am having trouble following your posts. This is not meant as an insult but perhaps you have a friend whose English is a bit better? I feel like I cannot accurately interpret your questions and help you.

You have two options as I see it:

1) try to get into US residency training in Orthopedic Surgery or any other field, and do some research during and after your training
2) come to the US to do Orthopedic Surgery research, without any clinical training; this will mean you cannot practice as a physician but only do research

 

[ecrivain]

thank you winged scapula ..

now I get a clear picture .. it is now my duty to determine priorities ...

either orthopedic ... or ... clinical practice in America in other specialty ..

I am having trouble following your posts. This is not meant as an insult but perhaps you have a friend whose English is a bit better? I feel like I cannot accurately interpret your questions and help you.

I am sorry .. I am much worried about my exams here in Egypt & my concentration is low so my English is not punctuated

I will improve my English in posts ...




thank you very much my dear ...

 

[Winged Scapula]

Best of luck on your exams.

 

[ecrivain]

Best of luck on your exams.

thank you winged scapula for your help & your delicate feelings ...

I decided to go to America with USMLE whatever the specialty is .. because the scientific atmosphere in America helps man to be talent in any specialty
... in my choice to USMLE , I earn all other choices ... as I will follow the American system .. gain more experience .. do research .. so I will get all I want ...

on the other hand when I stay in Egypt to take orthopedic , I may forget the aim of research in the cycle of daily tasks & searching for money..
even If I still want research , I will need luck to create a chance for me to go to America & start research ..

finally after finishing research , I will be back to Egypt to find that my colleagues become more rich & more famous ..

So ....

I will start USMLE way after finishing my exams ..

but I wanna know how to enhance my CV by USCE ?? & by research skills?

Here in Egypt we don't study research allover undergraduate stage , only in master & PhD ..

so I will learn it during being house officer ..


I think my English in this post is better ..


winged scapula , can I ask you an Egyptian question ?

I wanna know who you are

"the Egyptian are friendly people .. so it is Egyptian question .."

 

[ecrivain]

OK , I have just visited your profile & known about you ..

I hope you great success in surgery ..

 

[Winged Scapula]

I decided to go to America with USMLE whatever the specialty is .. because the scientific atmosphere in America helps man to be talent in any specialty

Sounds like a good plan.

...but I wanna know how to enhance my CV by USCE ?? & by research skills?

After you graduate you are no longer eligible for US Clinical Experience (USCE). You are only eligible for observerships, which I think are worthless but do get you into the medical system here and the ability to pick up some teaching.

Outside of USCE, the best way to enhance your CV is with great USMLE scores (remember almost all FMGs have them, so if you perform less well it will be a real detriment), Letters of Recommendation (preferably from US faculty) and publications. The latter is far down on the list of importance; the first two are much more important. Most US students have no research except those going into very competitive specialties.

so I will learn it during being house officer...

Probably not. Most US house officers ("residents") do not do any research during their training. There just isn't time. Some will do small projects, others will spend dedicated time in a lab. But I wouldn't count on learning and/or doing significant research during residency unless you match into a program where this is an option.

I think my English in this post is better...

Yes it is.

 

[MontereyMD]

Ecivrain you've been watching too much US TV and too many US Movies. US Medicine is totally overated.
Medicine in any EU country like Germany, UK, Ireland, France in many respects is more advanced and more efficient. Try a EU country. Dealing with the US Immigration system will take years of frustration and wasted effort. You can always visit the US on a J-1 visa rotation.

 

[ecrivain]

After you graduate you are no longer eligible for US Clinical Experience (USCE). You are only eligible for observerships, which I think are worthless but do get you into the medical system here and the ability to pick up some teaching.

what about Externship hands-on experience ??
is it more valuable & how can I get it ?

Most US house officers ("residents")

No , I mean being house officer in Egypt ...
after graduation all graduates take 12 months training in hospital .. student in which is named house officer
then residency after it ..

I will study USMLE 1 in this year .. so I ask you what can I do else in this year ??

 

[ecrivain]

Try a EU country

I have plan A which contains America .. & plan B which contains EU

I read more about both .. this is a post by a doc

With all due respect, you have to tell the truth about the residency in states. By my experience, I think getting a job as a physician in the Europe or canada is more worthy thatn working in states as a physician. You have to consider the fact that you have to pay a lot of money for the malpractice, insurance and cost of living is in most cities very high, plus now a days with all the MD's from around the world who think that it is easy to make money to come to US the competition is really high. I finished my residency in Florida and now I have seen the 2 guys who got into my residency program have both 99 scores in the steps and most of the candidates had above the 98 scores in the USMLe steps. I suggest to all who are interested in the residency in states to be realistic and do not be fooled by these high digits of salaries, because at the end the net amount of money that remains is the same amount that you get in Europe and canada, with much better quality of life in the latter.
For each foreign candidate that gets into residecny there are 500 that cannot find a place and also the competition is not only with other foreigners but also with american citizens which make sit harder.
Just be realistic and be informed about all, if you work hard you would be able to get to anyplace you want with god's help.
Good luck
Leo​

I don't know to what extent is that opinion accurate ..

visit the US on a J-1 visa rotation.

what does It enables me to ??


thanks MontereyMD

 

[Winged Scapula]

what about Externship hands-on experience ??
is it more valuable & how can I get it ?

No, as a graduate of medical school you cannot get "hands-on" clinical experience working as a physician in the US. An externship is the same thing as a visiting student elective.

No , I mean being house officer in Egypt ...
after graduation all graduates take 12 months training in hospital .. student in which is named house officer
then residency after it ..

I understand that. The term house officer means the same thing in the US, although it is an outdated term here.

I will study USMLE 1 in this year .. so I ask you what can I do else in this year ??

If I were you, I'd delay graduation and try to do some USCE if possible. If not, then continue to try and get some clinical experience if you so desparately need to come to the US. Research and publications would be helpful in the competitive specialty you are interested in (but hard to get puclished in 1 year).

 

[Moonglow]

The term house officer means the same thing in the US, although it is an outdated term here.

Not at Hopkins.

 

[Winged Scapula]

Not at Hopkins.

True...but lots of things are outdated at Hopkins.

 

[ecrivain]

True...but lots of things are outdated at Hopkins.

it is a very useful information .. when I pass USMLE I'll never go to Hopkins

 

[Moonglow]

Burn.

 

[ecrivain]

the future medicine ..

Dr winged scapula .. today I know new information about future science ..
I know it is completely different from traditional medicine ..

I knew they are genetics .. interventional radiology .. radiotherapy .. embryology ..

Aren't they ??

I wanna know what is the fate of other specialties in America ?? I mean the doctors of the traditional specialties like general surgery & general internal medicine .. Is their role will be minimized & medical practice also ??
Here in Egypt we began since 2000 to go towards sub specialties .. the vascular surgery for example is separated of general surgery .. endocrinology & hematology from internal medicine ..
but not yet in all Egypt .. my university still have no vascular surgery depart .. but subunit in general surgery depart ..

I see it still far to us to get into future medicine like genetics , etc ..

so I wanna ask .. Are these specialties available for IMG or like orthopedics ?

can talents at these branches of science be awarded Nobel ??

I know that any creative mentality can be awarded Nobel .. but the incidence of general surgeons to take Nobel nowadays is less than Ortho is less than genetics doctors or cytologists ..

excuse me for irregular manner of view in this post .. because I have less complete picture about the situation ...

but I wanna ask .. can I think seriously in one of these new specialties ??

what will be my future if I take one ??


thank you & sorry about these much questions ..

 

[ecrivain]

dr winged scapula .. r u busy ??

 

[ecrivain]

I will graduate after 9 hours .. I can't believe .. It is 6.5 year study


I spent two months thinking of the way to America parallel to my exam ..
I think it is the time to stop thinking & begin working ..

now I live with this idea sleep , dream , walk & breath it ..
I will take one week holiday then start ..

I already have gotten kaplan lectures in gyn/obs & I listened to it for my Egyptian exam ..
the MCQ exam fortunately was from pretest book for USMLE ..


Dr winked scapula .. I need you please to respond for the questions I asked in previous two posts ..
I wanna get the full image not to regret later on after years ..

 

[Winged Scapula]

the future medicine ..

Dr winged scapula .. today I know new information about future science ..
I know it is completely different from traditional medicine ..

I knew they are genetics .. interventional radiology .. radiotherapy .. embryology ..

Aren't they ??

I'm not sure what you are asking here. Are you asking what the future of medicine holds? If so, I have no idea but certainly fields with room for technological growth will be popular.

I wanna know what is the fate of other specialties in America ?? I mean the doctors of the traditional specialties like general surgery & general internal medicine .. Is their role will be minimized & medical practice also ??

I don't know the future for these specialties, although there is an increasing trend toward specialization.

Here in Egypt we began since 2000 to go towards sub specialties .. the vascular surgery for example is separated of general surgery .. endocrinology & hematology from internal medicine ..
but not yet in all Egypt .. my university still have no vascular surgery depart .. but subunit in general surgery depart ..

I see it still far to us to get into future medicine like genetics , etc ..

so I wanna ask .. Are these specialties available for IMG or like orthopedics ?

That is too broad a question to ask. Internal Medicine is very popular and attainable for IMGs. Matching into a subspecialty after IM training, like in Hematology-Oncology, is competitive, but that will depend on how you do in residency. Endocrine is less competitive. Most IMGs gravitate toward IM, FM, Psychiatry.

can talents at these branches of science be awarded Nobel ??

I know that any creative mentality can be awarded Nobel .. but the incidence of general surgeons to take Nobel nowadays is less than Ortho is less than genetics doctors or cytologists ..

I would not plan your future specialty based on the ability to get a Nobel Prize. These are extremely rare, can be awarded in any field of medicine, in which someone makes a significant contribution. Surgeons tend not to do as much basic science research as do those doing medical genetics and pathologists, so are less likely to be seen getting the award. Frankly, clinicians are less likely to be awarded the prize. Pick something you enjoy.

 

[NotAProgDirector]

Ecrivain,

The problem is that, from the nature of your questions, the Egyptian medical system and the US medical system are so different that it is almost impossible to answer your questions without explaining the entire US medical system, which no one here is going to do. You need to get a basic guide to the US medical system, one of the "get into a medical residency guides", that explains the whole process.

To (somewhat) address your questions:

1. No one knows where the medical system is going or what the fate of various fields is going to be. Do what you love. If it ends up being really popular / useful, great. If not, then you're doing what you love.

2. Nobel? Buddy, I hate to tell you, but your chances of getting the Nobel are not good. Focus on getting a residency in the US, which, based upon your English, is not going to be easy.

3. Interventional radiology and radiotherapy (called Radiation Oncology) are both very competitive. You will not get a spot. Embryology is not a field of medicine but of research. Genetics can be done as a fellowship, after Pediatrics I think.

4. WS told you to go a rotation in the US. It appears you did not do so, and that's unfortunate since it was the best advice she could give. Now that you have graduated, you will find it close to impossible to get a rotation in the US.

Good luck.

 

[ecrivain]

thank you ws & pd ..

I have already graduated .. I have met 3 of my profs who have traveled to america ..
I have got a better image ..
sorry ws that you suffered with me to understand .. but I have understood finally ..
I repeated reading my posts again I felt I am stupid .. but it was misleading only ..
thank you ..

 

[schrizto]

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[ecrivain]

Hi all
I hope all are fine ..
I was busy in the last few weeks .. I have got my result, it is 84% in bachelor degree
excellent is 85 .. so I got very good ..
I am happy ..

I have talked with my colleagues about the way to America .. they admired the idea ..
I told them that I brought kaplan DVDs & books & began to study ..

but some of them have non clinical interests like pharmacology physiology & pathology..
they asked me about the pathway concerning these specialties but I couldn't answer ..

so I wanna know about this pathway ...
to take pharmacology physiology & pathology in America ..

 

[ecrivain]

hello Drs ..

where r u ?

 

[NotAProgDirector]

The problem is that your question is hard to answer. You can do clinical training (after getting a medical degree) in 2 of those fields -- pathology, and also clinical pharmacology. However you can also pursue these fields for research (via Masters and PhD programs). Each pathway is different, and it would take a long discussion for each one. If your friends are interested in information, they should ask themselves so that any advice can be targeted to their interests.

 

[justin182]

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[WestcoastMedicine]

The question about the masters degree.

The US system is not like other countries where you get a MB and BS (MBBS).

You go to 4 years of medical school and get an MD/DO. After that you can practice in any field you do your residency in. You can be a clinician, researcher, a mix of both.

You can get a masters degree in any field you want(health administration, physiology, ethics, etc....) It will not change what specialty you are able to practice in if that is your question, it would just be an extra degree, but not necessary for you to have to practice.

If you obtain a masters degree and then apply for residency if it is applicable to the field you are going into it MAY help a Small amount but that would not do much in the way of helping you match ortho

With that being said I would only pursue a masters if it would help you acheive your career/research goals or is just something you are really interested in and a lifelong learner.

 

[ecrivain]

MS in Applied Anatomy from Case Western Reserve University.

It should help you getting into surgery residency. There is a medical school graduate from Jordan in this program, and he is studying for the USMLE while taking classes.

can you give me more information about that ?

thank u PD & LHUEMT911 for ur responses ..

 

[Winged Scapula]

MS in Applied Anatomy from Case Western Reserve University.

It should help you getting into surgery residency. There is a medical school graduate from Jordan in this program, and he is studying for the USMLE while taking classes.

I'm sorry, but I disagree that a Masters in Anatomy will help you get into a surgery residency. Its just not true.

Most advanced degrees, do little to nothing, to make your application more competitive (the exceptions are Rad Onc where a large number of applicants have PhDs with research).

If you are going to spend time getting a Masters in an effort to make your application more competitive:

1) don't do it unless you really like the topic and would be happy with the degree even if you didn't match
2) consider the MPH - this is the only Masters that I would consider remotely helpful