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I hope all you liberal premeds know that John Edwards over the course of just 2 years made 60 million dollars in legal fees suing primarily OB/GYNs. Many of these docs only had 1-2 million in malpractice coverage and lost EVERYTHING in his absurd 20+ million judgements. Some even committed suicide. He is responsible for putting more doctors out of business than any single trial lawyer in HISTORY. If you consider the number of deaths that will now result from inadequate medical due just to his work, his damage to the US in lives would likely be greater than those you could attribute to Osama Bin Laden. In LA, with the closure of MLK in Los Angeles, 1200 traumas alone will be diverted partly due to the fact many of the better surgeons left the area fleeing sky high malpractice. LA has lost 10, yes TEN trauma centers in since the 80s. I can only imagine if he is elected VP. OB/GYN will pay protection money directly to him I would think.

Even if you hate Bush, voting for Edwards would be like a Jew supporting Hilter. Youre signing your own death warrant.

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no way, he's just a down home guy from a mill town :rolleyes: ....ass

vote bush
 
LADoc00 said:
Even if you hate Bush, voting for Edwards would be like a Jew supporting Hilter. Youre signing your own death warrant.
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That is the greatest thing I've ever heard on these forums. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:
 
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if john edwards is in the white house, then he's not out suing other ob/gyns. seems to me like a good place for him.

if george bush is in the white house, my ability to learn to provide abortions will be greatly hindered. as that is part of a career that i am considering, he can't be in the white house for me.
 
Vote for Edwards! Bring American medicine back to the middle ages! In the white house he'll have all the power to favor trial lawyers, and to re-structure the medico-legal arena in their favor. By doing this he will be investing in his own future as he knows he'll be chasing ambulances again in 4 or 8 years. C'mmon open your eyes! In fact, this is the first time in my life that I'll vote Republican as I can't be part of the pandemonium that will ensue if this SOB ends up as VP. :eek:
 
Voting single issue is always dangerous and poor form. I can't stand the medico-legal situation in the US either. I would however much rather sacrifice some of my own personal security and earnings if it means getting a leader who can speak in public and isn't a cowboy with no regard for geopolitical subtleties.
 
"{a leader who can speak in public and isn't a cowboy with no regard for geopolitical subtleties."

spoken like a true elitist lib.
 
jason952 said:
spoken like a true elitist lib.
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wait a minute!...i thought it is the liberals who feel the republicans are the elitists?!....oh well, i guess everyone is elitist regarding political viewpoints....
 
Is it elitist to wish for a world leader that represents your country who can speak with eloquence with or without a teleprompter. Even if I was a republican, I would be embarassed by Bush. A nervous 2nd grader speaks better at the school play.
 
Sorry to detract from the thread. I don't like Edwards either. I don't feel really happy about my choices this year.
 
So Dre Day, you would really give up some personal liberties and take money out of your own pocket just to get a president who is a better public speaker and more worldly than George Bush? That's kind of sadistic. By the way, what president since the invention of the teleprompter has not used the teleprompter for speeches? You're livin' in a dream world.
 
Even if you hate Bush, voting for Edwards would be like a Jew supporting Hilter. Youre signing your own death warrant.

That type of hyperbole has no business in a forum of professionals. It's inaccurate and extreme. Perhaps the author of the quote ought to more carefully study 20th century European history and the American political structure.
 
I would never support Hilter! Actually, I know that everyone uses a teleprompter. My concern is how poorly some people use them. Also, when you talk about giving up some personal liberties, it sounds like you're talking about the patriot act. Bush wants to erode personal liberties that are far more important to every one.

It's nice to know all my future colleagues seem to care more about their pocket books than the stability of the world (my impression from this thread anyway).
 
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DrDre' said:
It's nice to know all my future colleagues seem to care more about their pocket books than the stability of the world (my impression from this thread anyway).
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It's not just "about their pocketbooks." Escalating malpractice premiums, constant lawsuits, and lack of tort reform means many obgyns are forced out of practice...losing one's livelihood, esp. after many years of sacrifice and debt is a serious matter that you should be concerned about.

Why not fast-forward a few years and imagine yourself trying to support two kids in college as practicing obgyn who just lost a multimillion-dollar lawsuit and who cannot afford to stay in practice because noone will insure you.
 
There are standards that have to be met in order to prove malpractice to a jury. If that burden of proof isn't met, the judge can (and should and will) overturn a verdict. Or it will overturned on appeal. I'm not saying Edwards is a saint, but the malpractice issues in medicine are about more than lawyers or tort reform. Those are convenient scapegoats.

In order to prove medical malpractice, you have to show (almost always with expert testimony) that a dr provided care that did not meet the standards for the area OR that he/she was willfully negligent. They aren't judged against what kind of care they would receive at a trauma center 100 miles away...just by what is typical for the area. And unless the issue is something obvious to a layperson, expert testimony is essential to proving malpractice.

Certainly, there are frivolous lawsuits and there are some outrageous jury awards, but that isn't the real problem. For that you need to look to insurance companies, privatized hospitals, and legislators, as well as lawyers and sue-happy patients.

As far as losing personal liberties...well, they wiped out a good number of them with that stupid Patriot Act and if left to Ashcroft, all others would be gone too. I really don't care how John Edwards made his fortune--as long as he has a viable plan for the future of this country. And given the alternative....I think Satan would be a better choice. Besides, as long as Republicans control Congress, there will be no legislation that even hints of things like Patient Rights, suing HMOs, or expanded health care coverage. No worries.
 
Willow Rose, I agree with some of your thoughts. I wish what you wrote about malpractice trials WAS correct. It is so easy to find an "expert" witness who supports whatever medical claim and to manipulate the jury. It is not nearly as scientific or rigorous.
I was personally involved with a medmal lawsuit as a witness. The defense very easily found a pediatric anesthesiologist who claimed what the clinician did was within the SOC. It was very far from it.

Doc5, I don't mean to minimize all OUR concerns about medmal and repercussions on our medical practices.
I am just trying to make the best decision I can make in regards to our candidates, trying to choose one who supports the most important issues that I feel will have the biggest impact.
 
it is of no consequence how the world views us. It doesn't matter, Kerry thinks it's important, but he will only sell us out to the socialists who make up the majority of the UN. Remember, Kerry will raise all of our taxes, since "taxes on the rich" = $80K families and more, not much money, that is practicatlly 2 resident salaries in one home.

jason
 
Rudy Guliani said:
So Dre Day, you would really give up some personal liberties and take money out of your own pocket just to get a president who is a better public speaker and more worldly than George Bush?
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give up civil liberties by voting against bush? can you say patriot act??? talk about giving up civil liberties....
 
Has Edwards actually said anything about supporting trial lawyers or opposing tort reform? Seriously, I don't know.

I do know that I cannot, in good conscience, vote for Bush. How is it that we have no good candidates again....pathetic. I think that Kerry is the lesser of the two evils.
 
There was a Newsweek article that came out in early March of 2004. The cover story discussed law suits and how they are hurting America in general. The article discussed how lawsuits were driving up the cost of doing business and how it hur the medical profession.

Anyway, John Edwards specifically responded to that article. It was a one page response that was actually featured in the same magazine. Edwards basically wrote a diatribe defending the need for trial lawyers and how he protected patients' rights.

I'm a Republican that is socially very liberal. I don't like Bush and I probably would have voted for a Democrat this year but I'm not because of John Edwards and the trial lawyers who are supporting this years' democatric nominees. As much as I don't like Bush, I hate lawyers even more. Sorry, but I can't support a thieving scum bag trial lawyer like John Edwards. The last thing we need is to empower lawyers any further.

Like many of you, I was willing to sacrafice some of my earnings for the secuirty of the world and more job growth. But after contemplating the situation more, let's be realistic, we aren't going to pull out of Iraq. Kerry isn't going to do anything Bush isn't at this point. Yeah Kerry would have never went to war but now that we are in war, Kerry isn't going to pull out. Regarding job growth, Kerry has his own special interest group. You really think Kerry is going to tell companies not to outsource. What can Kerry do about that? NOTHING Yeah, Kerry is a better speaker in public...big freakin deal. So what if the rest of the world makes fun of our leader. If it wasn't Bush, they would find something else to criticize us. Don't get me wrong, i dont like Bush or his backward social policies (stem cells anyone) but the truth is Kerry isn't going to alleviate any of the problem that Bush has now.
 
DrDre' said:
Is it elitist to wish for a world leader that represents your country who can speak with eloquence with or without a teleprompter. Even if I was a republican, I would be embarassed by Bush. A nervous 2nd grader speaks better at the school play.
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What's more embarrassing, a guy who can't deliver public speeches or someone who sticks cigars up his chubby little intern and then has to recant his lie about the whole thing on national television. And then it doesn't help that he has a multitidue of women go on national television telling the public how he sexually harrassed them. And what's even worse is that these women were not even hot. BTW, I'm a huge Clinton fan but I think the hypocrisy is amusing. We had the biggest womanizer and liar of a president and yet people are embarrassed of Bush? If you are going to criticize Bush, at least criticize his policies and something significant like that. Bush has some whack policies but his demeanor isn't worth criticizing when more pertinent issues are at hand like national secuirty and unemployment. Personally, I get a kick out of hearing Bush speak. I think it's hilarious. Yes, he is an idiot but he is an endearing idiot.
 
any day of the week i'd take a womanizer president over a president that lies to both the US and UN and wastes 1000+ American lives in a bullsh#% war.
 
How did he lie to the U.S. The Senate committee investigating (led by Dem's) said that there was absolutely no pressure by the White House on intelligence sources regarding the content of their reports. So, all Bush had to go on was the information that was provided and interpreted for him by the intelligence community. He wasn't making up WMDs. He was simply responding to intelligence reports. Kerry would have voted again for the war even knowing what he knows now.
 
I'm curious as to some of your thoughts that the Kerry/Edwards health care plan would lead us toward socialized medicine. We all know what a disaster it truly has been for other countries, like Canada, under socialized medicine. However, in reading their plans for health care, I don't understand how it is the same. Apparently, they are offering a health care plan funded by the government that people have the choice of buying into? Isn't this different than provides coverage for everyone funded entirely by the government? Or am I mistaken?

It seems that our national security and the war in Iraq are the most important issues in this election. However, as a future ob/gyn, I can't simply ignore health care issues.

THANKS!
 
I personally feel that Edwards trial skills could serve us well in the White House... on several occasions he has "channeled the spirits of dead patients" (I'm not kidding)... think of the ramifications in speaking with the voice of Washington or Jefferson...

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John Edwards is an ambulance chasing lawyer who made his MILLIONS by destroying the lives of physicians in North Carolina, and then stealing the proceeds from the poor patients and families he was "protecting". If given the opportunity for a National audience/ platform think of the havoc and destruction he can cause. (Just ask the people of NC who, if given the opportunity, would not re-elect him).
 
i hate bush.... but i am giving him my vote since i would never favor an ambulance chaser like edwards.
 
I don?t see how anyone in the medical profession can vote for Kerry/Edwards.
1. Edwards is a malpractice attorney.
2. As doctors we will be making decisions based on the best information we have available; NOT perfect information.
Look at the following parallel:
A patient (Saddam) is told to submit to drug testing (UN inspection). He refuses. His family members say that he has drugs (WMD). He is making his family suffer (country, through UN sanctions) because he won?t submit to drug testing (UN inspections). He has made numerous attempts to purchase drugs and their precursors (Uranium). When you enter his room you find drug paraphernalia (aluminum rods, unmanned flight vehicles).

So for all you future docs that think bush ?lied?, does that also mean that you don?t think this patient is using drugs?
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reallylost said:
I don?t see how anyone in the medical profession can vote for Kerry/Edwards.
1. Edwards is a malpractice attorney.
2. As doctors we will be making decisions based on the best information we have available; NOT perfect information.
Look at the following parallel:
A patient (Saddam) is told to submit to drug testing (UN inspection). He refuses. His family members say that he has drugs (WMD). He is making his family suffer (country, through UN sanctions) because he won?t submit to drug testing (UN inspections). He has made numerous attempts to purchase drugs and their precursors (Uranium). When you enter his room you find drug paraphernalia (aluminum rods, unmanned flight vehicles).

So for all you future docs that think bush ?lied?, does that also mean that you don?t think this patient is using drugs?
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you are exactly whats wrong with the american electorate: you haven't yet realized that "facts" you're quoting are lies. hopefully you'll figure it out before Nov 2. otherwise our country is screwed as the ignorant masses elect their poster-boy for ignorance and deceit.
 
DrBuzzLightYear said:
you are exactly whats wrong with the american electorate: you haven't yet realized that "facts" you're quoting are lies. hopefully you'll figure it out before Nov 2. otherwise our country is screwed as the ignorant masses elect their poster-boy for ignorance and deceit.
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Saddam is running for president???
 
First off which of my facts are lies:
(1) that Saddam wouldn?t let inspectors back in after he kicked them out
(2) that a family member of his said that he had them
(3) his country was suffering from UN sanctions
(4) that he tried to purchase uranium
(5) that he had possession of military items that were no-nos

if the administration lied about the above facts why not lie about finding WMDs?

Secondly i believe Steiner?s
?Saddam is running for president????
was directed at your
?ignorant masses elect their poster-boy for ignorance and deceit.?

......meaning that Saddam is the poster-boy for ignorance and deceit.
 
Just to make this clear before I ask these questions: I in no way intend to insult anyone's intelligence or opinion. I'm enjoy hearing all different views, even though they might be different from my own. :)

So to those who are voting for Bush and support the efforts in Iraq, I welcome your thoughts on the following issues:

1. I am under the understanding that there are other nations harboring WMD's? (Iran and N. Korea) WHy wasn't the same efforts applied against these nations if the issue was truly dealing with WMD's?

2. Assuming that Saddam once did have WMD's and have materials to make them, does this excuse the mess that we are currently in with Iraq? (More people getting killed daily, more money getting spent with really no definite end in sight?)

Thanks!
 
DrBuzzLightYear said:
any day of the week i'd take a womanizer president over a president that lies to both the US and UN and wastes 1000+ American lives in a bullsh#% war.
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What happened with Clinton was one of the most disgraceful attacks to the moral values of the United States. If the "world leader" acts that way, how can he dare talk about morale. I am very ashamed of him both as a President and as a human being.
 
vanelo said:
What happened with Clinton was one of the most disgraceful attacks to the moral values of the United States. If the "world leader" acts that way, how can he dare talk about morale. I am very ashamed of him both as a President and as a human being.
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do you know how much respect clinton has around the world? bush is simply hated for being a liar and a bully and has damaged US credibility WAY WAY WYA more than clinton ever did.

what's more disturbing - faux outrage at some abstract, judeo christian "moral" values or having civil liberties curbed significantly, the environment destroyed, large corporations take active roles in policy making that benefits them, no bid military contracts for the "in" companies, science taking a back seat in decision making, demonizing the opposition and calling into question their patriotism(classic fascist methods, btw). clinton got loose with an intern, bush is playing with the very foundation of this country. do you know how many democratic registrations are being torn up in nevada and other states by republican owned "voter registration companies?" if you take the other side and argue against kerry/edwards, fair - that's the essence of american democracy. but shutting out the other side, labeling them as unpatriotic, and playing such nasty, nasty politics is more degrading to america's moral values than clinton's actions.

nevermind that a man who never saw battle(i'm talkin about bush/cheney/rummy/ashcroft) has the balls to question a decorated veteran while actively cutting military benefits...ever talked to a VA who complains about his pension cuts..his health benefit cuts...? veterans don't hate kerry..they HATE BUSH.

nevermind that bush's debate performance was the joke of the rest of the world...the leader of the free world can't speak in complete sentences and can't control his own emotions?

having a trial lawyer on the ticket is unhealthy, i agree. but kerry is far too smart and compassionate a man to force doctors out of business and send the country whirling into a frenzy of healthcare chaos. you guys are doctors!!! stop turning this election into a 1 issue vote - stop FOCUSING on edwards...jesus.
 
The sad thing about politics is that you will never get everything that you want from any one candidate. Each person running for office must decide which part of himself he is willing to sacrifice in order to receive enough votes to place himself into office and change whatever he deems the greatest issue. Each of us has a different idea of what the greatest issue is, and we like the candidates must sacrifice some of our ideas for what we feel is the greatest issue.

I am constantly in awe at the accusations that are made by both sides of the fence. Having lived in other countries for a few years, it is easy to see the "freedoms" that we so often take for granted. If John Kerry didn't take up arms in Vietnam, someone else may have suffered more. If we did not invade Iraq, the destruction of the Iraqi people would have continued at a constant rate. The only difference is that it would be a quieter execution for the condemned.

I personally feel that the greatest problem in our society is that we don't have enough emphasis on building up family values, teaching the youth of America that they can be a force for good in the world. Some people feel that morals are a joke or that they are outdated or restricted to a specific religion etc. Yet the home is the best place to learn to be a good person, to benefit society. As a child I was taught the value of life, choice and accountability by my parents. EACH PERSON ON THIS FORUM WAS TAUGHT SOMEWHERE TO SERVE. Otherwise we wouldn't be in the medical field. What would America be like if everyone had the initiative that we have to serve others and improve life altogether? If our country takes focus away from the building of a great nation places that focus somewhere else, it will be in trouble.

Sorry for the length. I'm pretty passionate about this :)
 
Sure, maybe we did all get the same intelligence about Iraq, and maybe that was all we had to go by. But it was BUSH's administration that was on duty when this crapola of an intelligence nightmare came to light. And it was BUSH who decided to act on shady inteligence. You can't blaim congress for this war. They were misled by the administration and basically strongarmed to vote for it. BUSH and Cheney had a side agenda to go into Iraq, and that agenda was MONEY. The Carlisle Group and Haliburton both are making billions of this war, and these individuals gain from these huge earnings. That is a conflict of interests that makes vaginal cigars look like a freaking apetizer.

And why the hell did we allow Clinton to be drug through the mud based on some rightwing value system. I wasn't pissed at him for doing what he did, because he was well among the MAJORITY when he decided to have a little extramarital playtime. I was pissed though that he got caught!! He should have denied it to the end of the earth, and sued Lewinski for slandering him. Is it really anyone's business if the president has extramarital affairs? If I had to sleep in a bed with Hillary, I too would be trying to get some side-action!!

Kerry is a true veteran who knows what it means to be blackballed when you come home from a worthless war and try and get your buddies home. Had he lived in a time when there was a war worth fighting, he would have probably have been one of the nation's most decorated vets. But because he chose to break with the Nixon Vietnam supporters, he was seen as a traitor. He was simply trying to uphold the real military values that they teach us in the service schools...not sit idly by and let a war take away 50,000 more lives for no good reason.

Edwards may have been a trial lawyer, but don't forget that the court system does in fact deal with a significant number of legitimate cases every day. Should we call all his cases illegitimate because he is a trial lawyer. My family sued an incompetent doctor when my mother-inlaw died at the hands of a careless medical mistake by a small town FP. Based on your presumption, my mother's death did not deserve retribution, simply because there was a DOCTOR on the other end of the suit. Doctor's are not perfect, and some are flat out arrogant idiots. And THAT is why we have a system to allow for revenge against these jerks when they kill people. Tort reform is good because it encourages lawyers to take reasonable cases and not file on every little medical error. But to say that VP Edwards will not be a good president because he sued doctors is a bit shortsighted. There quite simply are more important issues for me than healthcare.....especially since creating a positive healthcare environment for patients may not be the same as a lucrative environment for doctors. Patients have to come first, and when they do, we all benefit.

I am a conservative for Kerry, a veteran for Kerry, and I like many other in the middle have made a decision to vote for an honest man with true integrity. And hell, he drinks Budweiser!!
 
congress only saw the intelligence that the bush team wanted them to see. all the reports that the FBI or CIA sent them that didnt agree with their preconceived notions they sent back, edited, or had the authors forced into an early retirement. what was finally presented to congress didn't include the countless protests, disagreements, and evidence to the contrary which they had been given but ignored. check out "against all enemies" by richard clark, he lays it all out in terms simple enough that even bush could understand it.
 
CaptainJack02 said:
nevermind that a man who never saw battle(i'm talkin about bush/cheney/rummy/ashcroft) has the balls to question a decorated veteran while actively cutting military benefits...ever talked to a VA who complains about his pension cuts..his health benefit cuts...? veterans don't hate kerry..they HATE BUSH.
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Anyone who thinks that Bush doesn't have the right stuff because he was a pilot needs to read this.

Dubya's Wing Men
 
DrBuzzLightYear said:
you are exactly whats wrong with the american electorate: you haven't yet realized that "facts" you're quoting are lies. hopefully you'll figure it out before Nov 2. otherwise our country is screwed as the ignorant masses elect their poster-boy for ignorance and deceit.
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Ignorant masses? Who's going to be the ignorant mass when the smooth talking, I'll-promise-you-everything lib gets elected? Hey, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

I didn't come up with this but I think it says it all:

Why did the chicken cross the road?

GEORGE W. BUSH: We really don't care why the chicken crossed the road. We just want to know if the chicken is on our side of the road or not. The chicken is either with us or against us. There's no middle ground here.

JOHN KERRY: Although I voted to let the chicken cross the road, I'm now against it!
 
CaptainJack02 said:
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having a trial lawyer on the ticket is unhealthy, i agree. but kerry is far too smart and compassionate a man to force doctors out of business and send the country whirling into a frenzy of healthcare chaos. you guys are doctors!!! stop turning this election into a 1 issue vote - stop FOCUSING on edwards...jesus.
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Perhaps you are too far away from practice and haven't seen medicare reimbursements. Kerry plans to insure all americans thus over 22 million americans will be on medicaid--what happens then? 8 million people lose their health insurance then these too will be on medicaid--then what? his plan would create a federally run reinsurance program providing less money for the same service and guess what in 4-8 years that trial lawyer will be back on the streets again forcing more and more OB's out of buisness... by then it will be you.

Just my 2 cents
 

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I also think it is sick and ironic that Edward's wife used expensive fertility treatments that high risk ob/gyn invented and deal with everyday to have baby in her late late 40's and then refuses to talk about it. Not that she is not entitled to have another baby but she already had 3 or 4 children. She could have adopted if they really care for the people. Also who paid for her expensive treatments?????
 
Just in:
John Edwards is planning a bill that would make all physicians whose patients die at risk for malpractice litigation. The AMA has hired Will Ferrell to be the spokesman for a new ad campaign based on his Old School character: 'Old People Die, Thats What They Do!'

Edwards/Kerry ticket has not responded to these new ads. :laugh:
 
anemia said:
I also think it is sick and ironic that Edward's wife used expensive fertility treatments that high risk ob/gyn invented and deal with everyday to have baby in her late late 40's and then refuses to talk about it. Not that she is not entitled to have another baby but she already had 3 or 4 children. She could have adopted if they really care for the people. Also who paid for her expensive treatments?????
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her child DIED you idiot. how dare you criticize her for finding some joy in making more children with her husband. what the hell is wrong with you?
 
vanelo said:
What happened with Clinton was one of the most disgraceful attacks to the moral values of the United States. If the "world leader" acts that way, how can he dare talk about morale. I am very ashamed of him both as a President and as a human being.
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dude, i think you need a cigar in your vagina
 
Thank god he is not in the White House. Now he can go back to suing you guys. Couldn't even win his home state.
 
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