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How can I find a list of competitive IM programs?
Originally posted by summertime
dude, you must go to UTSW or something, it's definitely not top 10 in the country. It's good, probably top 20-25, but not better than UCLA or Mayo. I've heard it's a fairly malignant medicine program, which may or may not be true, but if enough people hear the rumor, it scares away some applicants. Dallas is not the most exciting place to live either (it's big, but that's about it). Some people would even argue with you that it's not the best program in the state - and Baylor would have a very good argument. In any case, no program that interviews 80 applicants at a time on only 5 days for its medicine program will ever be a top 10 medicine program - how do you possibly choose the best candidates in a method like that?
Originally posted by Ctrhu
UTSW is far better than Baylor in Houston. I think Baylor is also more malignant. Baylor University program in Dallas is very strong, particularly in GI.
end up re do the medical school. like me hahaha....hopeseekr said:how about ppl at the bottom like score of 75 where do they end up?
GenMed said:I agree with joe.
My own ranking of the top programs (if you are fellowship-bound):
Completely in a class of their own:
Mass Gen
Johns Hopkins
Superb:
Brigham
Mayo Roche
Beth Israel Boston
Stanford
UCSF
Next tier:
Washington St Louis
Yale
Duke
Columbia
UCLA
almostMD said:I actually have to disagree with you about Yale. I recently completed the interview circuit and match and I have to tell you, Yale's IM program isn't even on the radar screen of top IM programs. For those wishing to remain in the Northeastern US, The top Boston and NY programs are very much more desired than Yale. At my med school, Yale was ranked low and often not at all by the top IM candidates (those who went on to match at great places). At my school, only the mediocre students matched there and even they weren't too thrilled with their luck.
I was quite unimpressed with Yale when I interviewed there. The hospital is small and kind of dumpy. They have local draw for patient base (Connecticut), but for anyone outside the area, NY or Boston hospitals are preferred. They do have dynamite research there, but that's a function of how great a university Yale is, not necessarily how great a hospital it is.
Their fellowship list is also nothing to brag about. It is completely outclassed by the top NY and Boston hospitals.
Tigerz_Fan said:Go to US News and World Report's website. They have a listing for all top med schools and grad schools. Type it in the search engine. If you buy the premier edition (like $14), you get the top 60 in the country. With this comes the rankings for internal medicine, women's health, and a couple of other things. The med schools can be sorted according to research-based and primary care based. The money is worth it if you want to go to a ranked program. The 2006 edition just came out. They also have an edition for top 100 hospitals, but htat is a separate fee. I think it's worth it if you will be spending the next few years of you life working there.
Good luck!
P Diddy said:you realize the OP is probably dead by now, given the age of this thread.
p diddy
dieulafoy said:It seems that every IM applicant nowadays is looking at residency only as a stepping stone to fellowship, and that getting into a "competetive fellowship" means getting a big name on one's resume so that their ego feels good.
Look, having gone through the fellowship application process in GI, let me tell you what I've learned:
1) If you want to go to a fellowship at a big name school (UCSF, UCLA, MGH), you better love being a lab monkey or a hard-core clinical researcher. These places are not interested in cranking out clinicians, they want people who will be doing research 60-80% of their time.
2) You need to do research. If you're at a big name program or not, you still have to do the leg work.
3) Having a program director who will go to bat for you is key. Fellowships are more political than you can imagine, so someone who is willing to "sell" you is invaluable.
4) Name of a program does help, but it won't guarantee you crap. There was a year when not a single UCLA resident matched into GI. The problem: if you want to get into a fellowship, esp cards, GI, apply broadly. If you've done your leg work, you will get in.
5) Be a good internist first. My advice: go to a program where you'll be happy and feel like you'll receive an excellent training. Not all university programs fit this bill BTW.
my 2 cents
These ranking list threads always ends up in some sort of fight between students/residents as they defend their home programs. Other than looking at US News and World Report or NIH rankings of medicine programs it is very hard to rank programs 5-30. The debate is rarely what the top 5 programs are in terms of academic prestige. The debates seem to center on what the top 5-30 programs are and their relative ranking to each other.Tigerz_Fan said:Well, that was a good 2 cents.