The %match and DO friednliness arent the same thing, there's more DO students going for the same # of spots in rads, along with a huge increase in MD students applying as well.. Programs who took DO's in the past wont just suddenly stop looking at your app, it might just be that your app wont get looked at because there is 100's more MD and DO's applying.
there is like 0 programs(elite top 20-30 programs, not community IM and such) I can think of that routinely take FMG' and not DO's... 1-2 FMG's don't say anything TBH in the grand scheme of things. I can find several big name DO matches to programs that have never taken a FMG just in the last several years. You put together an app and just apply, every year there are DO's breaking "glass" celings lol
I was mainly referencing the link that was posted earlier for MGH's rads program. Granted, I have no idea how they're ranked for rads. I just assumed that since it's MGH, it would have been desirable for the name alone. On there, there's like almost at least 1 FMG per class with the most recent class having two. I guess it's not really worth losing too much sleep over, it just doesn't feel the best to think that even if I try to work as hard as I possibly can, I likely won't have a chance at a place like MGH, but others are able to do the work and show that they belong there. While this glass ceiling thing is getting better, it still feels like there's a chunk of places that won't even look at me because of my being a DO. I'm the type that doesn't like being told that I can't do something or that certain things are too difficult to accomplish, so i should give up lol. Even though I wouldn't apply, I don't like being told that I could never do it, if that makes sense.
Prestige is stupid and doesn’t matter. You just need to match. Don’t get hung up on top programs.
There's a lot to unpack here but I'm sorry the MGH FMG thing has nothing to do with you. Put it out of your mind. The fmg matching a top program is way out of your league. You aren't going to be there and it's not going to be because you are a DO. You are really missing the point. There is a lot of BS DOs put up with each app cycle and there is a good bit of "too good for lower tiers but not cool enough for top tiers" that really strong DOs experience but an FMG who I guarantee has a resume that you could probably never build even with unlimited time and was likely an attending in their own country isn't the problem. You are getting bothered by something that's frankly meaningless. You aren't really having a good attitude with these posts but I'm going to chalk it up to a fundamental misunderstanding of how residency apps and rankings work. You need to do your best and apply to a lot of places in different tiers and move on. You will see that the problem isn't really top tier places. It's the mid tier places that don't understand they aren't that cool.
yeah, i mean you are right, i'm still learning about a lot of these different things in regards to residency and the match process. I don't mean to sound like I have a bad attitude about this btw. I'm mostly just thinking like this because I'd like to match in a certain area to be close to family and while there are a couple places in that area that have matched DOs, there are several others that are very high tier, so while the goal is to match somewhere, I'd like to have the option open to maybe apply and not feel like I wasted my money. Maybe this is a nonissue to some and I'm overthinking things, so idk.
Yea exactly... they probably did 2-3 research years AT MGH and got letters from faculty there, meanwhile, my school has sent people to places like Mayo, CCF, and other DO's have matched at places like Yale rads, Vandy etc by having a fraction of the research and probably even "lower" scores. The FMG's would conversely say that's a massive bias against them, that in order for them to be even looked at they need multiple research years. And as far as MGH is concerned, if you put an app on par to those FMG candidates(think 20-30 pubs level) you will get an invite. I know of a DO who got a MGH invite for Ortho of all specialties. They had a killer app with a similar research output as these FMG's.
no, i get it. It's mostly just to be near family, not for any sort of prestige. In the area(s) that I wanted to try to match in, there were a decent number of higher tier spots. If those aforementioned places were mid-tier instead of higher tier, I'd happily apply there. My honest end goal isn't to search for prestige. I'd like to get trained at a competent place and believe that I can do that at a decently mid-tier location. I was mostly speaking about the higher tier stuff because I don't like feeling limited in places that I can apply to, especially when i do have a geographical preference. I used MGH as an example to show that there were FMGs there, not because I'm gunning for MGH rads.
prob more since they're more likely to go academic
Most of these institutions implement lots of academics/research into their residency/attending curriculum to maintain the grants and funding they get. I have worked with docs from top institutions and from overseas and the only thing that mattered was their attitudes toward patients/staff and how good of a physician they were. Usually most people don't care where you trained or went to medical school except pre-meds lol
disgusting
