Hospitalist Southern California

[sss2g2]

Can someone chime in on the compensation and work environment of hospitalists in southern california. Any views/opininions on working at Kaiser?

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[Osteoth]

Market is rough most jobs want you to work some nights for around median compensation ($250-300k all in). PCP market is much better if you can stomach it. People like Kaiser for the stability but they run you dry so they can avoid their expensive toys (subspecialists). Each Kaiser is different though in culture.

 

[SOCalXtine]

Does Kaiser pay well for a hospitalist ? I’m far off lol two more years to finish residency but just always interested. Also is it better to just do locums in the la, valley or riverside region ?

 

[collegestud2013]

Does Kaiser pay well for a hospitalist ? I’m far off lol two more years to finish residency but just always interested. Also is it better to just do locums in the la, valley or riverside region ?

For the most part pay at Kaiser is on the lower end, though at most places their patient volumes are also on the lower end (though patient volume obviously varies based on the specific facility). IIRC most jobs don't have any RVU component in the pay anyways so you won't get compensated if the census gets high. The hospitalist job market in most "desirable" parts of the country are getting quite saturated nowadays (due to a combination of reasons including more reliance on PAs/NPs for staffing, less FM/IM grads wanting to primary care, the fact the any FM and IM grad can do hospitalist and these are 2 largest specialties in terms of residency size across the country so barriers to entry are relatively low) , It's the same situation in Southern California so employers have little incentive to offer better if they can recruit someone else with a marginal offer; and this is especially the case with new grads.

Locums will pay more on a per hour basis but the job is unstable and not suitable for the longer term (since locums cost the most for a facility, as soon as they find someone cheaper they will stop getting locums to cover their shifts), and based on coverage needs you will be jumping around between multiple facilities which can be tough as you'll have to learn the new hospital systems all the time, often only to do a small number of shifts at each facility.

 

[Putkernerinthehall]

Market is rough most jobs want you to work some nights for around median compensation ($250-300k all in). PCP market is much better if you can stomach it. People like Kaiser for the stability but they run you dry so they can avoid their expensive toys (subspecialists). Each Kaiser is different though in culture.

How does Southern California look for Peds hospitalists ?

 

[tantacles]

Can someone chime in on the compensation and work environment of hospitalists in southern california. Any views/opininions on working at Kaiser?

Kaiser in general can be a mixed bag. The best benefits in the game with one of the most restrictive noncompetes of any hospital system.

Ok with your only job being hospitalist for the entirety of the time you work with them? Fantastic! Kaiser might be a good fit.

Want to start a medical YouTube channel? Moonlight in another hospital? Review cases for the medical board? Accept a per diem consultant role? Anything else using your medical license that you get paid for? Work somewhere else.

 

[Osteoth]

Kaiser in general can be a mixed bag. The best benefits in the game with one of the most restrictive noncompetes of any hospital system.

Ok with your only job being hospitalist for the entirety of the time you work with them? Fantastic! Kaiser might be a good fit.

Want to start a medical YouTube channel? Moonlight in another hospital? Review cases for the medical board? Accept a per diem consultant role? Anything else using your medical license that you get paid for? Work somewhere else.

Hard thing for them is they require you to be in house all 12 hours as hospitalist.

 

[DrMetal]

Hard thing for them is they require you to be in house all 12 hours as hospitalist.

Even if you're not admitting?

God I don't know why anybody would work for Kaiser. And their pay doesn't seem to be that much better.

 

[tantacles]

Hard thing for them is they require you to be in house all 12 hours as hospitalist.

Daytime hospital shifts can be as short as 8 hours in some kaiser hospitals. They all have independent staffing.

 

[DoctwoB]

Kaiser in general can be a mixed bag. The best benefits in the game with one of the most restrictive noncompetes of any hospital system.

Ok with your only job being hospitalist for the entirety of the time you work with them? Fantastic! Kaiser might be a good fit.

Want to start a medical YouTube channel? Moonlight in another hospital? Review cases for the medical board? Accept a per diem consultant role? Anything else using your medical license that you get paid for? Work somewhere else.

Say what on the non-compete?

Non-completes are 100% non-enforceable in California. Kaiser can't keep you from quitting and working across the street at UCLA

Now what you're describing is not a non-compete, it is regarding outside income from your primary job. This is a fixture at most jobs at large institutions. Most contracts for fulltime jobs with big systems/academic center will have a clause that all outside income must be approved by your primary gig. This can range from an easy rubber stamp to a complex nightmare.

 

[tantacles]

Say what on the non-compete?

Non-completes are 100% non-enforceable in California. Kaiser can't keep you from quitting and working across the street at UCLA

Now what you're describing is not a non-compete, it is regarding outside income from your primary job. This is a fixture at most jobs at large institutions. Most contracts for fulltime jobs with big systems/academic center will have a clause that all outside income must be approved by your primary gig. This can range from an easy rubber stamp to a complex nightmare.

I think the semantics are important, but more important is what kaiser does with that that language. If you are working for kaiser, you cannot work anywhere else with your medical license at the same time, which is what I’m getting at.