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There was an interesting article in the Wall Street Journal on Jan. 6th. It discussed the creation of "Health Courts" to deal with standards of care in medicine and claims against the healthcare system.

Here it is, its a good read:

http://cgood.org/healthcare-reading-cgpubs-opeds-50.html

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I doubt it will ever happen but if it did it would be almost as big an assault on your civil rights as the patriot act.

From http://cgood.org/healthcare-reading-cgpubs-opeds-50.html
The sticking point is the opposition of the trial lawyers, who insist that juries, and only juries, must make the final decision. But the civil jury was never supposed to decide standards of care as a matter of law; it is intended to resolve disputed facts.

The jury system is one of best things about our legal system. A jury can see through the lies and see the truth. I don't want some rubber stamp special court, that will always rule for the rich and powerful and ignore the rights of the poor and injured. The jury system is constantly under attack, by the rich, big government and others who want to be able to steal from or injure those who are poorer or less powerful. They are afraid of the jury systems ability to address the wrongs inflicted upon the poor and disadvantaged.

from; http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163877,00.html
Here in America, the Founding Fathers understood the importance of allowing juries to determine not just the guilt or innocence of the man on trial, but the justice and fairness of the law he's charged with breaking. John Adams said of jury nullification, "It is not only [the juror's] right, but his duty...to find the verdict according to his own best understanding, judgment, and conscience, though in direct opposition to the direction of the court." John Jay, the first chief justice of the Supreme Court, said "The jury has the right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy."
 
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The jury system is one of best things about our legal system. A jury can see through the lies and see the truth. I don’t want some rubber stamp special court, that will always rule for the rich and powerful and ignore the rights of the poor and injured. The jury system is constantly under attack, by the rich, big government and others who want to be able to steal from or injure those who are poorer or less powerful. They are afraid of the jury systems ability to address the wrongs inflicted upon the poor and disadvantaged.
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Wow, that is one hell of an outlook, Robinhood.
 
No kidding, whoever thinks juries are always fair have obviously never been sued or stepped into a courtroom in the last 20 years.
 
Since when do juries "see through the lies and see the truth?" They're not some magical construct that can detect falsehood. They're people. People are inherently fallible, especially when placed into groups. If I am accused of making a medical mistake, I'd rather be judged by a jury OF MY PEERS (other physicians) than a jury of Joe Averages--or, at the very least, have a single judge make a ruling after conferring with a group of other physicians.
 
Since when do juries "see through the lies and see the truth?" They're not some magical construct that can detect falsehood. They're people. People are inherently fallible, especially when placed into groups. If I am accused of making a medical mistake, I'd rather be judged by a jury OF MY PEERS (other physicians) than a jury of Joe Averages--or, at the very least, have a single judge make a ruling after conferring with a group of other physicians.


CITIZEN CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT THROUGH FULLY INFORMED JURIES

Many Americans are looking for a way to halt the unchecked growth of government in the United States. The list of options being tried include term limits, line item veto, balanced budget amendment, initiative and referendum, campaign finance reform, and third parties.

Thomas Jefferson gave us his opinion on the subject when he said, "I consider trial by jury as the ONLY anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."

The kind of juries Jefferson was thinking of were discussed in Jacob's Law Dictionary (1782): "Juries … are not fineable for giving their verdict contrary to the evidence, or against the direction of the court; for the law supposes the jury may have some other evidence than what is given in court, and they may not only find things of their own knowledge, but they go according to their consciences."

Jefferson believed that juries can hold governments in check because they have the power and the right to find verdicts of "not guilty" when they think the law is unjust - even when the facts say that the accused has broken the law.

Up until about 1900, judges routinely told juries in criminal trials that they had the right to vote their conscience. In the twentieth century, with few changes in law, the judicial practice has evolved to a completely different stance.

Today, in trials involving controversial laws, during the jury selection process, the judge will strike "for cause" anyone who states that he or she disagrees with the law. They go even further by telling juries that they are only judges of the facts. Judges tell juries that even if they disagree with the law, if the accused is found to have broken it, the juries must convict. Finally, the judges can hold anyone in contempt of court who tries to inform juries of their right to judge the law.

At the end of World War II, in the Nuremberg trials, Americans told Germans that they should have followed their conscience instead of their government when it did wrong. Yet, in America's courtrooms today, judges routinely tell jurors to follow the government, not their conscience. This courtroom practice is fundamentally un-American.

History:

Both English and American juries were told about their power until the late 1890s. The following freedoms were protected by jury refusing to convict:
Freedom of religion, speech, and assembly - William Penn (London, 1670).

Freedom from witch hunts - 50 acquittals in a row stopped witch trials (Salem, 1693).

Freedom to strike - anti-strike laws (late 1800s), which caused business interests to pressure judges to stop informing juries of their power.

Freedom of the press - John Peter Zenger (New York colony, 1735).

Freedom from slavery - fugitive slave laws (America, 1850s).

Freedom to drink alcohol - Prohibition (1930s). Convictions became rare even without instruction.

Noah Webster, whose purpose in publishing a dictionary was to preserve the meaning of the language used in the Constitution, in his first Dictionary of the English Language (1828), included the following in his definition of "jury":
"Petty juries, consisting usually of twelve men, attend courts to try matters of fact in civil causes, and to decide both the law and the fact in criminal prosecutions."

The Texas Bill of Rights, using language from early federal legislation, already states that juries have the right to determine matters of law as well as fact. The last sentence of Article I, Sect 8 of the Texas Constitution reads:
"And in all indictments for libels, the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts, under the direction of the court, as in other cases."

U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1895 case, Sparf and Hansen v. U. S., that juries indeed have veto power, but need not be told of it.
Issues:

Jury judgment of law can operate in only one direction - that of mercy. It cannot create new law, nor may jurors convict under nonexistent law, or escalate charges.

Jury refusal to apply a law does not abolish it. A jury may be merciful only in the case before it.

Jury refusal to apply a law does not set precedent, nor can a jury declare a law unconstitutional.

Jury nullification is an important way to inform governmental representatives about the changing conscience and values of the community, free from special interest pressure.

Fully informed jurors can better dispense justice, thereby preventing people from being imprisoned wrongly and reducing prison overcrowding.

from; (FIJA)
 
"The best way to rob a bank is to own one."
Old banking proverb
 
CITIZEN CONTROL OF GOVERNMENT THROUGH FULLY INFORMED JURIES

Many Americans are looking for a way to halt the unchecked growth of government in the United States. The list of options being tried include term limits, line item veto, balanced budget amendment, initiative and referendum, campaign finance reform, and third parties.

Thomas Jefferson gave us his opinion on the subject when he said, "I consider trial by jury as the ONLY anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its constitution."

The kind of juries Jefferson was thinking of were discussed in Jacob’s Law Dictionary (1782): "Juries … are not fineable for giving their verdict contrary to the evidence, or against the direction of the court; for the law supposes the jury may have some other evidence than what is given in court, and they may not only find things of their own knowledge, but they go according to their consciences."

Jefferson believed that juries can hold governments in check because they have the power and the right to find verdicts of "not guilty" when they think the law is unjust - even when the facts say that the accused has broken the law.

Up until about 1900, judges routinely told juries in criminal trials that they had the right to vote their conscience. In the twentieth century, with few changes in law, the judicial practice has evolved to a completely different stance.

Today, in trials involving controversial laws, during the jury selection process, the judge will strike "for cause" anyone who states that he or she disagrees with the law. They go even further by telling juries that they are only judges of the facts. Judges tell juries that even if they disagree with the law, if the accused is found to have broken it, the juries must convict. Finally, the judges can hold anyone in contempt of court who tries to inform juries of their right to judge the law.

At the end of World War II, in the Nuremberg trials, Americans told Germans that they should have followed their conscience instead of their government when it did wrong. Yet, in America’s courtrooms today, judges routinely tell jurors to follow the government, not their conscience. This courtroom practice is fundamentally un-American.

History:

Both English and American juries were told about their power until the late 1890s. The following freedoms were protected by jury refusing to convict:
Freedom of religion, speech, and assembly - William Penn (London, 1670).

Freedom from witch hunts - 50 acquittals in a row stopped witch trials (Salem, 1693).

Freedom to strike - anti-strike laws (late 1800s), which caused business interests to pressure judges to stop informing juries of their power.

Freedom of the press - John Peter Zenger (New York colony, 1735).

Freedom from slavery - fugitive slave laws (America, 1850s).

Freedom to drink alcohol - Prohibition (1930s). Convictions became rare even without instruction.

Noah Webster, whose purpose in publishing a dictionary was to preserve the meaning of the language used in the Constitution, in his first Dictionary of the English Language (1828), included the following in his definition of "jury":
"Petty juries, consisting usually of twelve men, attend courts to try matters of fact in civil causes, and to decide both the law and the fact in criminal prosecutions."

The Texas Bill of Rights, using language from early federal legislation, already states that juries have the right to determine matters of law as well as fact. The last sentence of Article I, Sect 8 of the Texas Constitution reads:
"And in all indictments for libels, the jury shall have the right to determine the law and the facts, under the direction of the court, as in other cases."

U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1895 case, Sparf and Hansen v. U. S., that juries indeed have veto power, but need not be told of it.
Issues:

Jury judgment of law can operate in only one direction - that of mercy. It cannot create new law, nor may jurors convict under nonexistent law, or escalate charges.

Jury refusal to apply a law does not abolish it. A jury may be merciful only in the case before it.

Jury refusal to apply a law does not set precedent, nor can a jury declare a law unconstitutional.

Jury nullification is an important way to inform governmental representatives about the changing conscience and values of the community, free from special interest pressure.

Fully informed jurors can better dispense justice, thereby preventing people from being imprisoned wrongly and reducing prison overcrowding.

from; (FIJA)
btw, if you tell them you believe in this during selection, it's a 100% sure-fire way to get out of jury duty...
 
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